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Hmm, I just read over bum's analysis.
I would agree with bum's analysis that I haven't really gone into too much detail into explaining some of my opinions, but I would disagree that that points to me being SK or mafia. And I have already pointed out why those clue analysis are crap.
Just a couple of things to note though:
Show nested quote + On January 26 2011 21:02 Nemesis wrote: Kav, I wouldn't judge bum yet as scum. The way he is appearing to me is more of an impulsive townie as in he doesn't think before he post, and then realizes that what he was suggesting was bad.
Still I would like to see his response.
Aw, he will always be town in my heart. Doesn't mean he is though, red like to cut the strings to other people fairly quickly if they see an outcome ahead of time. If I got lynched, and then the next day we find mafia umbers are the same, nemesis can say itoldyaso. That is a rather big WIFOM. Although people were FoSing you, no one was voting for you so that means that you weren't even up for lynch, which makes it not only WIFOM, but wrong too.
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As for current lynch targets: Mr.zergling - Looking at his post history, he usually posts a lot but a lot of it are one-liners or spam. In this game, he hasn't posted much, but if this keeps up I think he might be modkilled so I wouldn't really lynch him right now. Coag - as mafia and as town, he rather posts a lot, although a lot of it is spam. I think he might be a good lynch candidate. Nemesis - obviously I think he is a bad lynch candidate RebirthofLegend - It seems like people are lynching him because he hasn't done much. Since we don't really have anything solid on him, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch him. But if he continues his rather passive play, I would push for his lynch too.
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Bzzz, as I have said before, if you are going to vote to lynch me, at least state your reasons.
Brownbear, you seem to have analyzed all the other candidates except for me yet you are voting me? At least give your reason, and please don't say LD's clues are so good -.-
GMarshal, is that a bandwagon vote?
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On January 29 2011 07:36 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2011 07:31 Nemesis wrote: Bzzz, as I have said before, if you are going to vote to lynch me, at least state your reasons.
Brownbear, you seem to have analyzed all the other candidates except for me yet you are voting me? At least give your reason, and please don't say LD's clues are so good -.-
GMarshal, is that a bandwagon vote? Because I'm giving Coag a chance, I have already posted my reasoning behind not voting RoL, and I haven't really taken a look at Mr. Zergling yet. Honestly, I'm wondering why I haven't seen anything about him, yet there's votes on him. Secret bandwagon? I'll try to throw up some analysis on Mr. Z, but I am heading to a rehearsal now, so I can't guarantee I'll get a full analysis done before the end of the day. I'll do my best, though. Yet that still doesn't give your reason for voting me.
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On January 29 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2011 07:31 Nemesis wrote: Bzzz, as I have said before, if you are going to vote to lynch me, at least state your reasons.
Brownbear, you seem to have analyzed all the other candidates except for me yet you are voting me? At least give your reason, and please don't say LD's clues are so good -.-
GMarshal, is that a bandwagon vote? Not really, there's actually a decent case against you, as I said its mostly a place holder though, Im just puting it off of coag because I feel like there was a random bandwagon forming against him. Can you explain what that decent cast against me is then?
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On January 29 2011 07:54 BrownBear wrote:He did respond to it, I think: Show nested quote +On January 29 2011 07:06 Nemesis wrote:Hmm, I just read over bum's analysis. I would agree with bum's analysis that I haven't really gone into too much detail into explaining some of my opinions, but I would disagree that that points to me being SK or mafia. And I have already pointed out why those clue analysis are crap. Just a couple of things to note though: On January 26 2011 21:02 Nemesis wrote: Kav, I wouldn't judge bum yet as scum. The way he is appearing to me is more of an impulsive townie as in he doesn't think before he post, and then realizes that what he was suggesting was bad.
Still I would like to see his response.
Aw, he will always be town in my heart. Doesn't mean he is though, red like to cut the strings to other people fairly quickly if they see an outcome ahead of time. If I got lynched, and then the next day we find mafia umbers are the same, nemesis can say itoldyaso. That is a rather big WIFOM. Although people were FoSing you, no one was voting for you so that means that you weren't even up for lynch, which makes it not only WIFOM, but wrong too. I just have to add that although I haven't gone into too much detail, I have given my reasons for my opinions.
And Bum, if you really feel that strongly about me being SK/mafia, then why aren't you voting for me? You are being a bit non-commital here.
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On January 29 2011 09:25 Jackal58 wrote: ##Vote Nemesis and the bandwagon against me continues
I'm not even going to bother to defend myself anymore as there isn't even a strong case against me.
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Meh, I changed my vote to RoL as it gives me the best chance of survival.
It's 6-6 right now, and I think since I reached 6 votes first, I will still be lynched. I'm going to tell you right now that I am just green.
Just some last notes before I die: CubedIn - I think barundar might have a case against him. It's worth looking into. Brownbear - he seems to have analyzed all the lynch targets except for me. :/ Just something to note.
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On January 29 2011 11:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote: ##Unvote Mr. Wiggles ##Vote Nemesis Something to note is that is that mr.wiggles suddenly changed his vote from abstaining to me when RoL was in danger of being lynched.
Looking back at his post, he hasn't made any mentions of being suspicious of me. The only reason I can think of for his last minute change of vote is to save RoL. So if RoL flips scum, I would take a good look at this guy. His post are mostly fluff and he doesn't really take a position on anything.
I suggest Mr. Wiggles for dt check/vigi hit.
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On January 30 2011 11:45 Kenpachi wrote:oh man Master Butcher lol its now obvious that is pointing to Beneather.. Is he Mafia, Vig, or SK is the question. Hahaha, nice find there. And that is quite a wonderful story :X
So RoL flipped green. Looks like I have to reevaluate my suspects for now.
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On January 30 2011 12:13 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 12:09 Nemesis wrote:On January 30 2011 11:45 Kenpachi wrote:oh man Master Butcher lol its now obvious that is pointing to Beneather.. Is he Mafia, Vig, or SK is the question. Hahaha, nice find there. And that is quite a wonderful story :X So RoL flipped green. Looks like I have to reevaluate my suspects for now. Is it possible that RoL was an SK? Or are we sure he was green? I think that he was most likely green, but we can probably find out by waiting and seeing if anyone claims they have been hit.
Yesterday, 2 people claimed to have been hit: Mr. WIggles and Siniquity, and there were 2 deaths, so from what it seems 1 person(probably SK) didn't submit his night action tonight, so there should be 3 hits tonight.
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On January 27 2011 11:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote: EBWOP: Hit (and lived), so vets, SK(s)
Also, just thought of this, what happens if there were two SKs, and they somehow both made it to the end? Would it be a tie cause they can't NK eachother? Or would it be who votes for lynch first? :p ... NVM just reread your post before that, sorry it was misunderstanding.
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Hmmm, actually I'm looking a bit at jackal's post right now. I just played a game with him recently in Mini Mafia IV. He is a townie that game. He rather hates lurkers as it has lost him previous games, and is quite aggressive as a townie.
Let's take a look at how he's playing this game:
On January 20 2011 00:08 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 17:40 LunarDestiny wrote: Unbiased comments before role are sent out. Bodyguard dying because of inactive modkill would be lame.
Node, do you think you will have a healthy amount of replacements?
Also to whoever voted for mayor, please pick lurkers(not sure how to define them) as bodyguards. I don't want that FAT INACTIVE to be our day/night post. Also it makes the game more interesting.
Well, picking lurkers as bodyguards might not be the best strategies... Just throwing out this before I get axed if I say this after game starts. Lurkers killed town in XXXV. I intend to leave no lurker alone. This was before the game started. He says that he intends to leave no lurker alone.
Night 0, he makes a bunch of spam post, but it's night 0 so it doesn't really matter and he was still playing Mini Mafia IV at that time too.
Looking at his day 1 post, he continues the same trend of spammy one liner posts.
On January 27 2011 11:05 Jackal58 wrote: I'm already hung.
Working on clues. I thought more than 2 would die. Working on clues, mind sharing that with us? Note: he never did any.
On January 27 2011 10:09 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 09:37 darmousseh wrote:On January 27 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote:On January 27 2011 09:04 kitaman27 wrote:On January 26 2011 09:29 bumatlarge wrote: Considering there is a better chance of him being red, I guess I will. Though RoL should be more vocal. Alright RoL TIME TO WIN YOU TOWNIE. Just curious, what indicated to you that Kavdragon was more likely scum than RoL. And since that was the case, why would you wait for someone suggesting RoL rather than voting him in the first place. Thing is Kav started his campaign well before roles were passed out. If he is scum it's pure RNG. I'd be more concerned with the few that started to campaign after Day 1 post. Are you your brothers keeper? Babies come from aisle 7 at WalMart. At least that's where my wife tells me ours came from. I think it's time to move on past the kavdragon, ROL, bum mayor and election stuff. There simply isn't enough information to reveal anything except that bum changes his mind faster than a girl, says a few semi-contradictory like many girls and reacts emotionally to kavs accusations just like a girl. Conclusion: Bum is a female, or an alien, or drunk. I'm quite fluent in drunk speak. Bum is not drunk. Whether he is a female alien is irrelevant to the problem at hand. You were one of the ones to attempt to mount a mayoral campaign. You're worthy of close observation.
On January 27 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 09:04 kitaman27 wrote:On January 26 2011 09:29 bumatlarge wrote: Considering there is a better chance of him being red, I guess I will. Though RoL should be more vocal. Alright RoL TIME TO WIN YOU TOWNIE. Just curious, what indicated to you that Kavdragon was more likely scum than RoL. And since that was the case, why would you wait for someone suggesting RoL rather than voting him in the first place. Thing is Kav started his campaign well before roles were passed out. If he is scum it's pure RNG. I'd be more concerned with the few that started to campaign after Day 1 post. Are you your brothers keeper? Babies come from aisle 7 at WalMart. At least that's where my wife tells me ours came from.
On January 28 2011 02:41 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 02:16 darmousseh wrote:I'm still really bothered with the quote from the story The noises inside are a mystery. The scampering in the bush, a deer? That blood-curdling scream, nothing an animal could make. I feel like that is probably a clue, but I can't find anything in any profile. Also theres a bunch of stuff about noises. Anyone else have any luck? Also Away from the campfire, away from the tents, away from the city. The thick, ancient trunks loom, the undisturbed bark hard as stone, the tangled roots cloying at uncareful limbs. No one knows what happens there probably has some clue in it, but again no luck. Other than that, we have like 33 hours until night. I'll try to see if these clues correspond to anything. Fits don't it?
Also note that he voted without giving his reason
On January 29 2011 09:25 Jackal58 wrote: ##Vote Nemesis
In Summary Not once, did he call out any lurker as he said he would. In fact, he is the one that is LURKING. Not once did he do any analysis as he promised. He is rather not playing his town game.
He is rather sitting back and has gone under the radar by posting spammy one-liners, most of which are not even game related.
Conclusion: He is scum, most likely mafia I think.
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On January 31 2011 04:58 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 04:40 LunarDestiny wrote:Jackal has yet to address his lack of constructive post in the game (prior being called out), don't be fooled by his high post count as most are one liner. Nemesis pointed out that in Mini Mafia IV, jackal was town and his contribution is much higher. He actually did do many long posts in that game. Everyone should take a quick look at post style differ in these two games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jackal58&gb=date The difference is I tunneled Pandain. I thought I was spot on but I was wrong. He wasn't scum he made a dumb play. I learned from that. I will push a case when one presents itself but I'm not going to be so damned sure of myself again. And yes I am going to defend myself aggressively. And I'm not going to do so by making unprovable claims. I'm not going to do it by calling people with more posts than I do inactive. If you look at the first people that jumped on the Jackal bandwagon and the list of yesterdays lynch targets and consider for a moment that mafia may very well have stepped on their dicks last night it starts to become to apparent who some of them probably are. Nemesis beneather Insaneous Brownbear. All appear to be taking advantage of Coagulation's insanity. Nemesis and beneather should be at the top of everybodies list. Nice chainsaw defense...you still haven't addressed why you have done absolutely nothing this game except for spamming the thread to make it seem like you are contributing with your high post count when you are not.
And which lurkers have you called out as you said you would? And where is the clue analysis that you said you were doing?
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On January 31 2011 07:44 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 06:40 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 04:58 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 04:40 LunarDestiny wrote:Jackal has yet to address his lack of constructive post in the game (prior being called out), don't be fooled by his high post count as most are one liner. Nemesis pointed out that in Mini Mafia IV, jackal was town and his contribution is much higher. He actually did do many long posts in that game. Everyone should take a quick look at post style differ in these two games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jackal58&gb=date The difference is I tunneled Pandain. I thought I was spot on but I was wrong. He wasn't scum he made a dumb play. I learned from that. I will push a case when one presents itself but I'm not going to be so damned sure of myself again. And yes I am going to defend myself aggressively. And I'm not going to do so by making unprovable claims. I'm not going to do it by calling people with more posts than I do inactive. If you look at the first people that jumped on the Jackal bandwagon and the list of yesterdays lynch targets and consider for a moment that mafia may very well have stepped on their dicks last night it starts to become to apparent who some of them probably are. Nemesis beneather Insaneous Brownbear. All appear to be taking advantage of Coagulation's insanity. Nemesis and beneather should be at the top of everybodies list. Nice chainsaw defense...you still haven't addressed why you have done absolutely nothing this game except for spamming the thread to make it seem like you are contributing with your high post count when you are not. And which lurkers have you called out as you said you would? And where is the clue analysis that you said you were doing? Here is my clue analysis. you must have missed it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7774030I'm not chainsawing anything scummeister. I'm connecting the dots. That was only after you were called out -.-
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On January 31 2011 08:38 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 08:36 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 07:44 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 06:40 Nemesis wrote:On January 31 2011 04:58 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 04:40 LunarDestiny wrote:Jackal has yet to address his lack of constructive post in the game (prior being called out), don't be fooled by his high post count as most are one liner. Nemesis pointed out that in Mini Mafia IV, jackal was town and his contribution is much higher. He actually did do many long posts in that game. Everyone should take a quick look at post style differ in these two games: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jackal58&gb=date The difference is I tunneled Pandain. I thought I was spot on but I was wrong. He wasn't scum he made a dumb play. I learned from that. I will push a case when one presents itself but I'm not going to be so damned sure of myself again. And yes I am going to defend myself aggressively. And I'm not going to do so by making unprovable claims. I'm not going to do it by calling people with more posts than I do inactive. If you look at the first people that jumped on the Jackal bandwagon and the list of yesterdays lynch targets and consider for a moment that mafia may very well have stepped on their dicks last night it starts to become to apparent who some of them probably are. Nemesis beneather Insaneous Brownbear. All appear to be taking advantage of Coagulation's insanity. Nemesis and beneather should be at the top of everybodies list. Nice chainsaw defense...you still haven't addressed why you have done absolutely nothing this game except for spamming the thread to make it seem like you are contributing with your high post count when you are not. And which lurkers have you called out as you said you would? And where is the clue analysis that you said you were doing? Here is my clue analysis. you must have missed it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7774030I'm not chainsawing anything scummeister. I'm connecting the dots. That was only after you were called out -.- That was last night while you were still screwing up your night post. Good try though. Now, not only are you acting scummy, but you are also lying. That post is on page 59, day post is page 58, and that post also quotes coag who calls you out.
I'm not even going to bother arguing anymore as I think it is pretty obvious you are red at this point.
It's time to discuss next day's target then, while waiting for jackal to be lynched.
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On January 31 2011 11:19 bumatlarge wrote: Nemesis: I still think he's an SK. But it's just usually lurker posting and these clues that make me think so. Now hes a lot more active with his name in the light, which isnt a good comparison for his sake. If we want to drop the KP to a greater extent, he's the way to go. If we are looking for mafia, he's too self-oriented to really plop a scum sticker on.
Beneather and Jackal: Together! Really depends on how hard you base on clues and analysis. Without those, Jackal is really fudged since Beneather is already a BG, and finding out he isn't mafia will make us take a step back and have our census vulnerability take 3 steps forward. Jackal is the obvious choice.
If we take that aspect away, they look really similar. Im just going with jackal, because we need to kill scum now, and we need to have this mayor dude keep dishing out the censi. Nemesis better deliver though and not just think he can attack people already under the scope to save himself. I really don't see why you think I'm SK. I think you are tunneling a bit here. Lurker posting? There are a lot of people worst than me like ilovejonn, Eti307, and deconduo.
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On January 31 2011 11:46 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 11:42 kitaman27 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:19 bumatlarge wrote: Nemesis: I still think he's an SK. But it's just usually lurker posting and these clues that make me think so. Now hes a lot more active with his name in the light, which isnt a good comparison for his sake. If we want to drop the KP to a greater extent, he's the way to go. If we are looking for mafia, he's too self-oriented to really plop a scum sticker on. I find it hard to believe that a town could so readily differentiate between a mafia and SK. Both will lurk and the clues won't tell the difference. Calling someone a SK is more of a mafia tactic to either cast suspicion upon a town or divert the lynch from one of their own. If your vote is on jackal based on the fact that he is not a bodyguard, then why not go against someone you are pretty sure is anti-town in Nemesis. On January 31 2011 11:31 Jackal58 wrote:On January 31 2011 11:29 Kenpachi wrote: you could still be SK from what your saying o_O Nemesis is the sk I'm blue. Err, another blue claim? Guess it already worked for Coag since he is still around. (Shouldn't have have gotten popped during the night?) Since you are already claiming, would going into role specifics be something that could save you? Clues fit Nemesis. Nobody defended him on day 1. Ergo SK I'm Veteran. But you won't know that til I'm dead. What you will know is I'm town when the next census comes back 5. The only thing blue on Coag is his balls. If you are a veteran, then you are the worst veteran ever. Vet's job is to take hits, and with your spammy posting which does not contribute anything, there was no way in hell you are going to take hits.
Nice blue claim to try and save your ass.
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On January 31 2011 12:26 Kavdragon wrote: There is a bandwagon on Jackal. Almost no one else has votes on them. Doesn't this raise flags for anyone? It's obvious that none of his teammates will risk themselves to defend him at this point. The best they can probably do is subtly try to divert the lynch to someone else.
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