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Well if they did follow LSB's plan
+ Show Spoiler +On January 10 2011 00:03 LSB wrote: LSB's Plan in a nutshell RED and GREEN spots are obligated to pick their roles 1. CPR Doc 2. JOAT 3. Vig 4. Bullet Bill 5. Copy Cat 6. Doctor 7. Role Blocker 8. Doctor 9. Day Vig 10. Role Cop 11. Pardoner 12. Alignment Cop 13. Politican 14. Tracker 15. Mason 16. Witch 17. Hider 18. Janitor 19. Bulletproof 20. Prince of Darkness 21. Veteran 22. God Father
That would leave Barundar as number 4. I know I said I didn't agree with the 100% necessity of picking what you get in the list, but the farther up the list you go the more important it is that you pick the role, or at least threaten to. I don't see why he wouldn't, as it is a strong role.
He should claim right now whether he did or not, as he is playing for the town at the moment and we don't know for certain whether LOr is traitor so Barundar should... but he doesn't know if... so how can he really... holy shit
Barundar are you ready to confront...
+ Show Spoiler +Schrodinger's Cat? Wow it like actually applies...
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EBWOP: FUCK AGAIN I SWITCH THE NAMES
God dammit, correction; Is jackal ready to confront schrodinger's cat... ugh now it loses all of its epicness.
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On January 11 2011 13:57 LayOffRage wrote: I say we lynch fishball. don't be gay bum.
Sorry man. I'm not the one who picked traitor. :/ As a rule of thumb we really have to lynch you to see if you are telling the truth. Otherwise you could be traitor and force your way. it's like when a DT claims and points to someone, we really have to lynch that person no matter what the accused says. I see potential for fishball to be traitor, but I've based that on what I know of him, and his logic has been more sound then some people here.
It's a policy lynch. If you can convince us not to lynch you, then great, but I've gone against policy lynch before (See Penalty Mafia: Bill Murray), and it's the worse feeling in the world to be wrong. I'll see what others say.
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On January 11 2011 16:50 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 14:06 bumatlarge wrote:Well if they did follow LSB's plan + Show Spoiler +On January 10 2011 00:03 LSB wrote: LSB's Plan in a nutshell RED and GREEN spots are obligated to pick their roles 1. CPR Doc 2. JOAT 3. Vig 4. Bullet Bill 5. Copy Cat 6. Doctor 7. Role Blocker 8. Doctor 9. Day Vig 10. Role Cop 11. Pardoner 12. Alignment Cop 13. Politican 14. Tracker 15. Mason 16. Witch 17. Hider 18. Janitor 19. Bulletproof 20. Prince of Darkness 21. Veteran 22. God Father That would leave Barundar as number 4. I know I said I didn't agree with the 100% necessity of picking what you get in the list, but the farther up the list you go the more important it is that you pick the role, or at least threaten to. I don't see why he wouldn't, as it is a strong role. He should claim right now whether he did or not, as he is playing for the town at the moment and we don't know for certain whether LOr is traitor so Barundar should... but he doesn't know if... so how can he really... holy shit Barundar are you ready to confront... + Show Spoiler +Schrodinger's Cat? Wow it like actually applies... Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 14:08 bumatlarge wrote: EBWOP: FUCK AGAIN I SWITCH THE NAMES
God dammit, correction; Is jackal ready to confront schrodinger's cat... ugh now it loses all of its epicness. You lost me. Who you talking to? I didn't follow the plan, found it retarded to pick Bullet Bill and get insta killed by SK.
Sorry barundar, I was referring to jackal.
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I need to reread the past few pages again, but I'm on an iPad(lol) so can't do any hardcore stuff. I'm thinking it would be smart for jackal as mafia to claim someone else has CC regardless of what he got, and it woul be wise of him as town to claim like he did. i'm kinda believing lor at this point, but we need to get rid of this traitor situation asap. I'm willing to give LSB a shot with this abstain thing.
I think you people are assuming too much though. If you are going to break down actions, you need to include all scenarios, especially in pyp. I think we need information, but I do see viability in having CPR get our info for us. Otherwise he's dead. small comfort.
## unvote layoff rage ## abstain
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Nah balls we need this settled.
## unabstain ## vote layoff rage
We can discuss our actions after the lynch with the CPR, and the more town kp we use the better. We have a good shot at hitting non-town personnel before night 2 if do is correctly but just trust me killing LoR right now. I'll break everything down tomorrow.
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You guys need to do research : / We could have the CPR send his kill asap, and give the CC in the top 5 some role first. I asked Ace and the first person to send in their target gives role. But I guess we have to have deconduo here to send that in so I guess that's out of the question. We could have aidnai die, as I find him reasonably suspicious, and then witch role get's passed. But I believe Witch should be used relatively soon. So Aidnai, if you are witch I think you should use it and prove yourself, as I doubt SK would take it. If you are a mafia witch, then we can at least force you to use it now, rather then later. Aidnai would be a good check for BB.
The CopyCat situation should be treated delicately, but we have to ask a few questions on this.
- Why would Jackal lie? What would he gain as SK or mafia? What would he gain as townie? Well If he's lying, I would pin a high chance of him being the traitor we are looking for, but I think he'd rather claim CC as he knows LoR wasn't the traitor, but then again, he gets heavy scrutiny, which is kinda what the traitor wants, so I'll cross that out for now. As mafia or scum, he draws attention away from himself, which is EXACTLY what he wants, regardless of whether he did or did not get/pick CC. As town, if he wants to be a real hero, he will claim it, but it would be in good interests if he said he didn't get it as town. If he was lying, I would make an exception of LaL in this case. If he is town and he is CC, he should tell us to prevent unnecessary deaths of strong roles, and if he gets found out, we will kill him. So, there is a good chance he is not town-aligned.
- If Jackal is telling the truth, what should we do? We should try to find the Copy Cat. If CopyCat is town and didn't follow the plan, he should claim and get a lot less FoS then if he was found out. We do have roles to find out obviously. Tracker could be used, but role cop has the most business up there, and should be checking who is most likely. I'd have to agree with the sentiments that CPR and Vig would not really want to steal that as scum/SK. Scum JOAT and BB however know they are denying town roles, so I suggest those two get role copped.
As for traitor, it's confirmed in the Top 8, so Parity doesn't really want to be up there. Again Role Cop has even more use finding someone up there (Wow that role cop sure is a useful guy)
Also, if no one brings up better candidates, I'd like to suggest people to protect based on roles and LSB's list and whether or not they followed it.
deconduo Kenpachi kitaman27 Barundar bumatlarge Eiii zeks aidnai
And then from based on what they have been posting, I'd highly suggest ME!....
Or whoever we agree not to hit with CPR
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 12 2011 04:52 LSB wrote:About the Traitor I would like to talk about my experiences as a traitor in PYP2. The key thing I did was kept the town on the topic of the traitor and tried to waste the day lynches on the traitor. This worked, and it was a great way to waste lynches. Instead of wasting our day discussion talking about who is traitor or who is not, we should just focus on other things and work on the traitor at night. But the thing about the traitor was, once I was discovered, the Mafia Compulsive Vig also fell with me, since the Compulsive Vig hit me night 2 and did not kill me. We can use the traitor as a way to link in other roles and drag down mafia. This is an effective way to use our blues and also to confirm a lot of people up top. Two Key Facts about the traitor/copycat 1. The traitor/copycat is a role pick and has no other special powers- The Role Cop could be a great way to find the traitor and Copy Cat. In addition.the traitor won't be able to do what they normally want to do. We can then use this to verify a lot of the people on the list. Here's the Plan. Deconduo will shoot LayOffRageIf LayOffRage is killed, deconduo is probably not the traitor. Kenpachi will shoot Amber[Light]. Amber[Light] will Roleblock Kenpachi. If Amber[Light] is the traitor, he won't have the Roleblock ability and will die Kitaman27 will be checked by the Bullet Bill. Kitaman27 should have a gun. If he doesn't he's the traitor. Barundar will be checked by the Rolecop. Insta vertification if Barundar is Copycat/Traitor Fishball will be Tracked. Since Fishball has a role, he should be visiting someone. Night 2, we then will check the remaining people Jackal58, CubEdIn and Kenpachi A short summary2. The traitor if hit by a mafia member at night will be converted- The best way to verify our CPR doc and Vig is by having them kill the traitor for us. If they are unable to do it, it could be a way to confirm them. Once we found a traitor. It's Better for the town to use nightkills on it.
By the way this is still applicable, and I think most parts should be carried out.
I think CPR should hit Jackal, but thats just because I think there is a good chance he might be scum, and I wouldn't take CC in top 4 if I was town, mafia or SK. I'm reluctant to hit the top 4 since they are strong roles. We either need to agree on a solid candidate or not use it, which means we can't prove deconduo took that role this night, and then night 2 comes along and a lot of confusion can start to happen.
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If you have never played with me, please make a point to post a long paragraph of your thoughts so far on the game, because I have a read on just about everyone I know, including the lurkers. I promise I will read it and respond, I just don't want any town players to lurk without good reason.
As for people I know who think they are successfully lurking, I will find you.
Again docs, I feel like I'm gonna get shot, so if I don't get protection, hopefully I can dissuade KP ;P
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On January 13 2011 09:47 aidnai wrote:Hmm... actually, having deconduo hit 'someone' doesn't prove anything, as there could easily be a situation such as - deconduo (red) picks CC - Scum buddy further down the draft (as an example, say jackal) picks up CPR doc. - CPR doc is free to hit kenpachi, or jackal, or fishball, whichever mafia finds most beneficial - town believes they have a role confirmed, mafia just picked up another power role. The only benefit we can rely on from 'knowing' deconduo is CPR doc is that we control his KP. I'm sorry I wasn't here to bring this up earlier, but we should not have allowed Deconduo to pick for himself between three people. In future nights, I certainly hope that we make it explicit who we want targeted. Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 05:20 deconduo wrote:On January 13 2011 05:11 LSB wrote: Well it should be pretty obvious that you have your role. But I'd rather your role be used on people who we want flipped. (Kenpachi, Jackel58, Fishball). And if you don't want to risk losing a good role, Jackel58 is a good person to hit.
In addition, the mafia doesn't have a reason to recruit the traitor, waste of night actions. Grand so, I'll zap one of Kenpachi, Jackal58, Fishball. I'm not going to announce which one however, just to stop mafia screwing me over. I was thinking that if I announce straight out which one I'm going to zap, mafia or SK could target them too so they wouldn't die. This would pretty much fuck me over tomorrow obviously. So is everyone ok with this? Actually, if mafia/SK uses their KP to screw you over, we'll have a very low KP evening which I don't have a problem with. And unless mafia has a bunch of one-time KP roles at their disposal (JOAT is the only one I can think of atm), they won't be able to frame you well because the KP count will be so low. Additionally, if they used this tactic to save on of their own, you would only be as suspicious as the person you targeted. Deconduo: just as one small thing you can do, please announce your target preferably after night actions are due and before the day post is up, if at all possible. If you think this is a bad idea, give me a chance to persuade you please.
Obviously they would be sacrificing deconduo eventually, but they would have +1kp that we wouldn't know where to start looking. Same goes with Vig. It's a easy flaw in LSB's list. I would advise you to take a look at pyp2 and look for radfield's plan. It tries to check these roles by pick checking by percentage chance. It worked decently, but there were still so many flaws in the plan. You can't really guarantee any town plan will deny strong roles from mafia or keep them in check, but we can rely on a massive number of protown power roles to investigate scenarios such as this. While LSB's list may seem too simplistic, it's just a reliance on sheer number of roles given to town. To really check him, we need a blue to claim, but for right now we have to be content with him following the plan.
Also if you have better ideas on who we should kill, you should make your case regardless of whether or not he will be here to see it.
If non-town KP is used to stop deconduo's hit, then that is amazing for us. His target will be notified and decond will know, giving us info... and one less dead townie yay!
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 13 2011 17:06 JimboSilvers wrote:Wow what the hell do you think you pansies are doing here. I leave, and everyone decides on the brilliant idea of lynching LayOffRage, who claimed vanilla who picked traitor. He claimed to have failed at picking traitor, which no scum in his right mind would do. His lynch was pretty much opposed by nobody, and nobody stepped up to defend him. So he's obviously not scum, and he claimed traitor is above him. Yet you guys decided to lynch him for no other reason than because you thought he was lying. Or you were afraid of lynching a witch. Brilliant. Its 17 players left and 4 people died last night. If one hit was a JOAT hit, then its another 4 hits tonight + 1 lynch = 12 players left. There are 5 are mafia, 6 if mafia recruited the traitor, which would make it game. If it wasn't a JOAT and there's 2 SKs, then its 5 hits tonight which is even worse. So this is a potential lylo. Even if we correctly lynch today, its 4 mafia left and we have few leads. So priorities for right now are that we need to lynch red, and we need to get rid of questionable KP sources. deconduo is supposedly the CPR doctor. But besides all the attention he gets from his role, he is nothing but a useless, space wasting, unreliable heap of uselessness. In his first few posts, deconduo asks a few questions and puts out a couple one liners about LSB's plan. He doesn't offer anything conclusive and doesn't try to put forward any new ideas. A little later on, he quotes Fishball and says: Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 06:13 deconduo wrote: Chaos and confusion only benefits mafia. Doesn't offer any more opinions and doesn't follow up on this comment. He just comes in, pops in a negative statement, and disappears from the thread for an entire day. What is his point? He certainly isn't invested in his opinions. The next day, he comes back, picks a "random" number, and gets first pick. Other than that, he contributes nothing. Has a panic "crisis" where he claims he didn't get the role he picked. All this time its just one liners. What is he trying to do? Make it look like he is active or something? His vote post is interesting. He lays out the three candidates, lists general reasons to vote for them, but is very wishy-washy and doesn't take a real stand, meandering his way around lynch. He just picks one but doesn't seem convinced about who he's voting for. Right after that, he asks "On a last note, do you guys want me to zap someone tonight, and who do you want me to zap? Don't forget mafia can manipulate the 'zap vote' just as easily as they can manipulate a lynch." That last sentence is just terrible. Why does he need to mention this statement? It seems like he is just giving himself an out when a townie dies. Next, he pops out of nowhere to accuse Amber[LighT] of OMGUS voting for aidnai. Yet he doesn't like the way aidnai is playing either. So what is it? deconduo isn't putting any thoughts into his post. He's pointing fingers without pointing fingers. In his next useless post, he says: Show nested quote +There has been a few names thrown about the place, but theres no unanimous candidate. Considering that its likely mafia have the CC role, I've been looking at people near the end of the list (for the less powerful roles). While the best suspects are at the top, I don't want to risk losing our JOAT/Vig/BB and giving mafia the role. Which best suspects? Why didn't you mention these earlier? Why were you so wishy washy in your vote post yet suddenly say that the "best suspects" are at the top? And following this, his next post says he'll random who to hit between Kenpachi, Jackal58, and Fishball. This is suspicious. He doesn't want to be accountable for his choice. And perhaps he even wants to protect one of his mafia buddies by giving a list and picking one at "random". deconduo's posts bring up more questions than answers. First he is clearly lurkiing the thread. He tries to spread doubt through the town, and uses questionable methods to determine who to zap. He doesn't take responsibility for his actions, and just seems to be flailing around looking for a consensus. A consensus that would allow him to blame his missteps on the town as a whole. As a bonus, deconduo has night KP. Getting rid of that will give us a bit more time and hopefully give us at least another day to find another red. ##Vote Deconduo
I love this guy, I wish I could have told him to pick mason
I've got an idea. The top three can prove themselves. One is a CC, right? They have DayVig then (?Assuming first kill is the first passed?). All they need to do is type:
Kill: bumatlarge
(Yay, I'm not DayVig!) Or someone else. That way we can know for certain who is what. So deconduo, kitaman and kenpachi, proceed to do this ASAP. If you are not DayVig, it will do nothing. Also, if Dayvig is scum, I'd advise him to use it on someone they consider SK, as I believe it will kill them. There are supposedly 2, as we don't even know if a JOAT is in play, let alone used their ability.
##Vote deconduo
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I don't understand. Do we want to win this game? Deconduo has claimed SK... I'd think town after not killing any scum or sk, would jump on this chance. Alright, let's assume we can control him, we are dealing with a ridiculous amount of kp (5hits 1kp from scum, probably no CPR, hopefully joat going rogue and that leaves 3SKs and then a vig that we have no info about yet) I do not relish the kill list after this lynch. So you'd think town, given a free sk, would say "oh thank goodness, alright let's talk about night plan." Am I wrong in that thought process? He promised to do as you say? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And about LSB and BC. Either they are scum or SKs. There is still a traitor, but that isn't even an issue right now. If deconduo really wants my vote off him, he will dayvig either LSB or BC. Then maybe I'll consider not lynching you today.
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##unvote deconduo
You've got 2 hours to dayvig them. Or you can play the game and day vig me. And then I'll watch town try to lynch ace directly after.
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On January 14 2011 10:33 CubEdIn wrote: + proper spelling. it's 3:33 am. think i'll hit the sack.
So you are from Romania, that explains a lot + Show Spoiler + messin' with you
Deconduo, use your dayvig, because regardless of what it is, we need to see what we are going to do.
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Let's put this in a way we can understand!
+ Show Spoiler +This is BumAtLarge. Innocent little girl who grew weary of a straight forward world. One day he decided to journey into the world of whimsical fantasies. We know it as Pick Your Power 3! This is LSB. He seems like a pleasant fellow. bum followed him for a bit to see what he was all about. Turns out, LSB has an agenda. He talks fancy of a magical land where townies live in peace. All he really wants to do is eat some oysters. I don't blame him, oysters are delicious! But he's also really trying to screw town over. This is the town. All the silly innocents that follow LSB blindy because he makes big posts and says things like "Here is what town needs to do..." and when someone disagrees with him, he shrugs it off adorably with words like "Poppycock!" I think town should think about LSB says, and if it's possible that not everything he says is true. This is BC. He's been looking innocent enough, but his agenda is pretty clear. He wants dem oysters. He hasn't said much against LSB's way, but he is fed up with LSB. Perhaps it is a plan between them, but they are most likely no longer buddies This is deconduo. What is he doing there with that paintbrush? I do not know! Tell me town. What is deconduo doing? Oh look! It's Fishball and Cubedin! What a lovely party! This is aidnai, I don't think he likes anyone too much, but I don't think he's necessarily bad. What does town think? This is Chezinu. I'd add more, but I think this is good enough for now.
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Great, an SK is going to kill me now lol? Well, he does get props for dayvig'n a fellow SK, and no he really has to gun for scum now. Well I can tell you deconduo, if this is your new goal in helping town, killing me won't be helping you.
And BC has upgraded to 25% town 75% mafia in my book. Shame he decided to not help at all during the first day
And should I reveal what info I have now?
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On January 16 2011 01:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 00:21 bumatlarge wrote:Great, an SK is going to kill me now lol? Well, he does get props for dayvig'n a fellow SK, and no he really has to gun for scum now. Well I can tell you deconduo, if this is your new goal in helping town, killing me won't be helping you. And BC has upgraded to 25% town 75% mafia in my book. Shame he decided to not help at all during the first day And should I reveal what info I have now? You haven't helped at all, so your 95% red, 5% town, yay for made up stats?
Well if that's how you legitimately feel, I'm not going to argue with that. Doesn't help you though in the eyes of everyone else. Mafia want to kill SK a lot more desperately then town atm. Guess the next the thing on the agenda is lynching deconduo and then scouting around for anymore SKs?
And name one thing in this game I haven't given a correct output on. I'm not going to argue with you further until later, because I don't have the means to get rid you. You should probably try to kill me tonight while we townies still have this deficient intelligence. Maybe your mafia squad can still save face and help lynch you.
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On January 16 2011 02:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 02:35 bumatlarge wrote:On January 16 2011 01:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 16 2011 00:21 bumatlarge wrote:Great, an SK is going to kill me now lol? Well, he does get props for dayvig'n a fellow SK, and no he really has to gun for scum now. Well I can tell you deconduo, if this is your new goal in helping town, killing me won't be helping you. And BC has upgraded to 25% town 75% mafia in my book. Shame he decided to not help at all during the first day And should I reveal what info I have now? You haven't helped at all, so your 95% red, 5% town, yay for made up stats? Well if that's how you legitimately feel, I'm not going to argue with that. Doesn't help you though in the eyes of everyone else. Mafia want to kill SK a lot more desperately then town atm. Guess the next the thing on the agenda is lynching deconduo and then scouting around for anymore SKs? And name one thing in this game I haven't given a correct output on. I'm not going to argue with you further until later, because I don't have the means to get rid you. You should probably try to kill me tonight while we townies still have this deficient intelligence. Maybe your mafia squad can still save face and help lynch you. Your inactive dude. I know I'm not red, and have no idea of your role. HOWEVER You are a veteran player. You know behavioural analysis is what wins games, instead your just sitting back and not actively participating. You have seen the current games, or at least should have heard of them. Towns are getting slaughtered for having no idea how to analyze. You as an experienced player should be showing them how to go about this, instead your sitting back. I honestly don't care you think I'm red, my issue is that only one player has seriously laid any analysis on me, which he stopped doing once I responded to said analysis, he even said he would hold back judgement until more experienced players commented on one of my comments and no one responded. Stop lurking, start playing. You should know better.
That's good advice, even though I'd think PYP can be tons more information based, but that for every piece of information given, you can form now analysis around it. I will try to analyze a player I find suspicious, but as of this moment, analysis involves opportunity to lynch. Assuming we do lynch deconduo or not (our relationship with him is completely information based as of now since he is playing for his survival), we do not get a lynch til say day 4. I take some blame for not being here for the end of the day to help persuade those to actually push a lynch through. But really to anyone who abstained on that day or didn't think that was important, that is either obvious scum play or everyone is daft. Also BC...
On January 16 2011 03:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 03:11 JimboSilvers wrote:On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT.
Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes.
kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass.
For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2. So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move. Also, I don't know exactly what you mean by "doesn't contribute". If pointing out sense (like what I did just now), and being involved with catching a SK isn't contributing, then we obviously have different understands of this term. Also keep in mind, I have been in the middle of the picture for quite a few times. It's not exactly easy that I can somehow make everyone worship me and we can happily go scum hunting. If you think that yourself, popping out once or twice a day, generalizing your "facts" and accusing people is contributing, then I rest my case. Oh, and me being a "troublemaker"? Hahaha. This is exactly what I mean. SK's are not mafia. So you really don't get any brownie points for finding them. You just pop out and accuse me, maybe for accusing you. But since I've now switched to Haplo, you should be all cool with that, right? Unless you're trying to defend some mafia buddies. But we can wait on that judgment. On January 15 2011 19:21 Fishball wrote:Funny how Ace just warned Jimbosilvers is in danger of being modkilled. So this inactive guy pops out and calls 3 people useless. Huge irony there. On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: beneather. He's damn useless
Fishball. Hes been useless
zeks - Useless and insightless. Most of us are well aware of those that are inactive, and what they have done. I've even brought up Beneather based on his other mistakes before. It's quite obvious I could be used as the perfect scapegoat, but choosing a couple more inactives for his analysis and accuse them, hardly makes him any more useful, especially when he is inactive himself. It would not surprise me if JimboSilvers had a different agenda behind his back. There's a difference between being not being omnipresent in the thread and being useless. I may not respond to every post or give my thoughts on all the nonsense you people create, but I don't need to, and I don't have the time to. Notice how every time I do post, I post content. Notice how everytime I post something there's strong resistance to everything I say. I'd say its just the mafia afraid of me. Ever notice how we aren't really getting anywhere? Especially you. Popping out and accusing me without really accusing me, and selectively reading my posts. Coolio. KP roles please read my above posts and think about it hard. I don't have to get into a shit flinging fest in order to get my point across. You are my favorite new player! I honestly hope you keep this level of performance up in other games.
I've said this twice now about Jimbo during day 1. Have you really been paying attention this game? -_- Stop stealing my compliments!
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Let's connect the zeks!
On January 10 2011 08:58 zeks wrote: According to LSB's plan I'm supposed to take Tracker - and for many reasons others have listed I'm not going to follow it fully.
As a cover my ass tactic I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch.
Not following LSB, no surprise. Well, I believe mafia tried to spread out their opinions on this plan, as it was an easy way to work around it. You wouldn't get any FoS if you flat out rejected it.
On January 10 2011 10:12 Fishball wrote:Preliminary Mafia list. - BloodyC0bbler - zeks - Misder - aidnai/JimboSilvers (pick one) Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 00:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Its pretty obvious most of the fake claiming is going on in the first half of the draft list which gives us a pretty good start on where to start looking. I was the one who pointed out the abnormal picture, but I never once directed town to look for those players who might be lying. It doesn't make sense for town/mafia to lie. There is no gain whatsoever, besides drawing attention to themselves. It was fortunate that this was sorted out by Ace, but nice try there BC. Oh, like I mentioned before, if I'm town, there is a good chance BC is red.
14. zeks [3] [1] 15. Misder [3] [2] 16. aidnai [3] [3] 17. JimboSilvers [3] [3] 3-1, 3-2, 3-3. Really? I'm picking aidnai due to this post. Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 09:14 aidnai wrote: Just going to confirm that according to the plan, I'm supposed to take Witch. Correct? Are you daft? No, you can't be this bad... I hope.
I thought I'd bring this up again by fishball. At first I thought he was trying to stir the pot, and perhaps he was a traitor in out midst. But I had read th reasons over, and it seemed to hold some water. Now that zeks is dead, I'm starting to think fishball was scum hunting like a pro. None of the other accused are dead. Does that say something?
On January 11 2011 09:35 zeks wrote: We should be using CPR as an extra town lynch. Infact the CPR should be working with town goals and not randomly hitting people every night - so even if decon is infact scum we can still control his power or risk himself getting lynched.
Seems to believe the CPR is in play, didn't seem to suspect him of SK. But I think this kinda gives a hint that mafia may not really care about "town's kp"? We should probably be more aggressive with where we tell known KP to hit. I don't want scum influence turning this into a wishy-washy subject.
On January 11 2011 13:06 zeks wrote: ##abstain
incase i somehow dont get to vote tomorrow
day 1 pardon = no
Does not want to kill Aidnai or LoR atm. Interesting.
On January 12 2011 07:20 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 06:27 Beneather wrote: What happens if we do send Deconduo to LayOffRage and the mafia hits him and he's traitor does the CPR Doctor kill him or save him? This is how I understand it: If LayOffRage is indeed traitor and decon shocks him then he dies If LayOffRage is indeed traitor and decon shocks him while mafia hits him also then he lives, and he converts to mafia. @Kenpachi People seem to think you're scummy no matter what you do, lol. Although at the #2 spot not picking JOAT is a giant FoS imo. Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 05:33 LSB wrote: Actually, now that I think about it. What do you guys think about Deconduo shocking Jackal58, and lynching RoL now? Out of all the plans you've come up with LSB I actually think this is the most sensible one. In order to confirm decon we're going to need a sheep to sacrifice and its probably best to sacrifice a vanilla in order to test that decon did get CPR (sorry Jackal). We should quickly verify the top people by night 1 especially decon. As for lynch - with the good spread of votes between multiple candidates I think one of them probably is scum. None of the arguments towards LoR or aidnai have been particularly convincing to me but if I had to choose one I'd pick LoR just on the basis of aidnai having the more important role which can tell us a shitload of info after night 1. Having said that I will place my vote a bit later tonight.
"Most sensible" lol, notice he apologizes to jackal. He knows jackal is town, and there is no way for him to know if LoR is traitor, but he isnt scum so guess he can die. Picks LoR over aidnai.
On January 12 2011 08:23 zeks wrote: Yes I'd like to give kenpachi a second chance. If he were scum he really didn't have to come out and claim that he didn't pick JOAT and let us figure it out ourselves.
Tries to act like general town figure-head, granting pardon on kenpachi's actions. Doesn't necessarily mean ken is scum, but let's keep our minds open.
On January 12 2011 10:31 zeks wrote: ##vote LayOffRage
because we really need a witch more at this point.
Decisive scum! I would also like to point something out about aidnai that is very suspicious. Mafia clearly did not want him dead. He also used his power to save haplo. I didn't find haplo scummy previously, but every other person that died that night was town. I think it's fairly safe to assume that aidnai an haplo may be scumbuddies. Or they are townies with a lot of vitality! I'd like you views on this.
On January 14 2011 10:51 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 10:39 aidnai wrote: Don't forget to weigh in on who should be shot right now, eiii, LSB and cubed. Deconduo's hit should be used sooner than later, in case we get any juicy information from it, it'd be good to have time to adjust our plans accordingly before we have to lynch someone.
A good deadline for using the hit would be 1200KST, just over an hour from now, which gives us a full 24hours to discuss/vote on our lynch.
thanks for reminding me about parity cop, kita, I copy pasted the role list into an excel file before that change was made and forgot about it.
Hopefully some of these people will swing by to give their opinions soon about who to shoot: misder jimbosilvers beneather zeks (Lurker) i'd prefer we narrow down the traitor list ... but if we had to choose between LSB / BC i'd choose LSB for orchestrating this whole fiasco and now pretty much all our roles are fished out. And the fact that he tried to get us all to buy into the plan and he didnt buy into his own plan. The key thing is that decon does use his day vig ability on someone so we know he's not CPR. I think we need some more time to think about this...tomorrow is fine with me too just not too late or I'd think he's stalling for time and we forget or something. Would like to hear the answers to some of the questions still so we get more info like lynch candidates who kitaman is going to shoot (he's still one of the traitor suspects) and we haven't confirmed his role eiii's parity cop check any other people that may have useful information that they found from their abilities last night possibly
The last thing zeks said? Quoted aidnai... (he comes up a lot when we are talking about zeks) It's also funny the people aidnai is proposing to shoot. At the end there, I'd like to think zeks is trying to fish out those last power roles. And perhaps they should, but not on scum terms. So based off me going back, I think a general list of mafia purely from zeks analysis:
Aidnai - Maybe I was wrong about him being town. zeks' death sheds a lot of light on this character. Haplo - If aidnai is scum, then without a doubt, haplo is scum. I want to look into this more. Misder/Jimbo - A bold statement, but from zeks analysis, they aren't shining stars. fishball's little thing, and that almost transparent team work between all of them.
Hopefully that can awaken some thoughts. I' propose that these would't be lynch targets, but rather night hits that SK(s) and town KP should look into. They'd give a lot more info revolving around our only confirmed scum.
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