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On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT.
Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes.
kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass.
For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2.
So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move.
Also, I don't know exactly what you mean by "doesn't contribute". If pointing out sense (like what I did just now), and being involved with catching a SK isn't contributing, then we obviously have different understands of this term. Also keep in mind, I have been in the middle of the picture for quite a few times. It's not exactly easy that I can somehow make everyone worship me and we can happily go scum hunting. If you think that yourself, popping out once or twice a day, generalizing your "facts" and accusing people is contributing, then I rest my case.
Oh, and me being a "troublemaker"? Hahaha.
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Funny how Ace just warned Jimbosilvers is in danger of being modkilled.
So this inactive guy pops out and calls 3 people useless. Huge irony there.
On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: beneather. He's damn useless
Fishball. Hes been useless
zeks - Useless and insightless.
Most of us are well aware of those that are inactive, and what they have done. I've even brought up Beneather based on his other mistakes before.
It's quite obvious I could be used as the perfect scapegoat, but choosing a couple more inactives for his analysis and accuse them, hardly makes him any more useful, especially when he is inactive himself. It would not surprise me if JimboSilvers had a different agenda behind his back.
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On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: I'd be willing to bet this game on the fact that there would only be two SK, personally.
Jimbo's plan seems just fine to me, as well-- zeks and beneather have been flying under the radar, and fishball has been obnoxious and unhelpful, not to mention not voting yesterday when he was clearly active.
See, players like you are the ones that make me frown, and shouldn't even be playing. First I had to deal with Kenpachi and now you. Obviously you weren't here last night, did not follow the thread, skimmed through most of it, saw Ace's post and made your comment. Hey, look what I found regarding my vote? + Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 09:34 Fishball wrote: #vote Abstain for now.
I'm willing to let Deconduo live for now, as he did do Town a favor, and he didn't lie about the Day Vig role.
On January 15 2011 11:04 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:49 kitaman27 wrote: I'm a vig. I'm not cleared but look at the situation. I'm pushing for a lynch while fish sits back and abstains. If he knows he isn't the traitor than surely he would be pushing the lynch on someone who does.
I hate to say this, but how hard headed are you? Look at the list. What other options do I have? I won't vote myself, I decided to not vote for deconduo. So ok, I try to go for the Traitor. What options do I have? Kenpachi kitaman27 Amber[Light] CubEdIn None of you are exactly voted for, and basically I would have to build an entire case against one of you, and hope that the remaining Town will somehow magically listen to me, and swap votes within 30 minutes. I already frowned upon the "last minute train" when aidnai pulled this. Basically you're telling me to eat my own words. More importantly, I don't know who is the Traitor, and I've said many times, I'm not focused on the Traitor. If I were forced to choose and go for a Traitor lynch, I would have picked CubEdIn due to all that incoherent fuss earlier, but like I said, none of you are viable candidates anymore given the time frame. So what's wrong with abstaining? The only reason why Ace missed my vote, was because he searched for ##, instead of #, a wrong format I used.
On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: Jimbo's plan seems just fine to me, as well-- zeks and beneather have been flying under the radar
I've been refraining from using any swear words, even calling people stupid in this game, but it's late at night and you're pushing it. Reread my post. I never argued about or denied how suspicious Beneather and zeks looked. I even said most of us knows, so what you're saying is just pointing out the obvious. My main point, was to question JimboSilvers's motives in general, the big picture itself. You "agreeing" with him, is a pointless reply to my message. I'm talking about apples, you're talking about oranges.
On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: fishball has been obnoxious and unhelpful.
So you just repeated what JimboSilvers said, just with different wording. No personal opinions, nothing. I don't feel like talking about this for the Nth time, especially when I'm clearly just wasting my own energy.
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On January 16 2011 03:11 JimboSilvers wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT.
Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes.
kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass.
For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2. So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move. Also, I don't know exactly what you mean by "doesn't contribute". If pointing out sense (like what I did just now), and being involved with catching a SK isn't contributing, then we obviously have different understands of this term. Also keep in mind, I have been in the middle of the picture for quite a few times. It's not exactly easy that I can somehow make everyone worship me and we can happily go scum hunting. If you think that yourself, popping out once or twice a day, generalizing your "facts" and accusing people is contributing, then I rest my case. Oh, and me being a "troublemaker"? Hahaha. This is exactly what I mean. SK's are not mafia. So you really don't get any brownie points for finding them. You just pop out and accuse me, maybe for accusing you. But since I've now switched to Haplo, you should be all cool with that, right? Unless you're trying to defend some mafia buddies. But we can wait on that judgment. Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 19:21 Fishball wrote:Funny how Ace just warned Jimbosilvers is in danger of being modkilled. So this inactive guy pops out and calls 3 people useless. Huge irony there. On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: beneather. He's damn useless
Fishball. Hes been useless
zeks - Useless and insightless. Most of us are well aware of those that are inactive, and what they have done. I've even brought up Beneather based on his other mistakes before. It's quite obvious I could be used as the perfect scapegoat, but choosing a couple more inactives for his analysis and accuse them, hardly makes him any more useful, especially when he is inactive himself. It would not surprise me if JimboSilvers had a different agenda behind his back. There's a difference between being not being omnipresent in the thread and being useless. I may not respond to every post or give my thoughts on all the nonsense you people create, but I don't need to, and I don't have the time to. Notice how every time I do post, I post content. Notice how everytime I post something there's strong resistance to everything I say. I'd say its just the mafia afraid of me. Ever notice how we aren't really getting anywhere? Especially you. Popping out and accusing me without really accusing me, and selectively reading my posts. Coolio. KP roles please read my above posts and think about it hard. I don't have to get into a shit flinging fest in order to get my point across.
In all the games I play, I will almost never make an extended case against anyone and relentlessly attack unless it is extremely obvious. All that I usually do is to point things out and mainly let Town decide. Check "Insane Mafia" being one of the latest games I've played. This game, there is no difference, but I had used a different attitude approach; Huge reception difference from your average player. Adding the SK scenario and players who like to comment after skimming through posts, bam, you have a targeted Fishball all game.
On January 16 2011 03:11 JimboSilvers wrote: Notice how every time I do post, I post content.
Like me, you can have your very own concept of "contributing". I've already commented on your "content" so I'm not going to repeat myself here.
On January 16 2011 03:11 JimboSilvers wrote: Popping out and accusing me without really accusing me, and selectively reading my posts.
One thing you got wrong here for sure. You're the one "popping out" from inactivity, not me. As for me accusing you without really accusing you, that's subjective and is really up to Town. All that I'm doing is questioning your agenda and bringing it up to light.
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On January 16 2011 06:13 Eiii wrote:I hate to post this so long after the fact, but... Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 19:55 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: I'd be willing to bet this game on the fact that there would only be two SK, personally.
Jimbo's plan seems just fine to me, as well-- zeks and beneather have been flying under the radar, and fishball has been obnoxious and unhelpful, not to mention not voting yesterday when he was clearly active. See, players like you are the ones that make me frown, and shouldn't even be playing. First I had to deal with Kenpachi and now you. Obviously you weren't here last night, did not follow the thread, skimmed through most of it, saw Ace's post and made your comment. Hey, look what I found regarding my vote? + Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 09:34 Fishball wrote: #vote Abstain for now.
I'm willing to let Deconduo live for now, as he did do Town a favor, and he didn't lie about the Day Vig role.
On January 15 2011 11:04 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:49 kitaman27 wrote: I'm a vig. I'm not cleared but look at the situation. I'm pushing for a lynch while fish sits back and abstains. If he knows he isn't the traitor than surely he would be pushing the lynch on someone who does.
I hate to say this, but how hard headed are you? Look at the list. What other options do I have? I won't vote myself, I decided to not vote for deconduo. So ok, I try to go for the Traitor. What options do I have? Kenpachi kitaman27 Amber[Light] CubEdIn None of you are exactly voted for, and basically I would have to build an entire case against one of you, and hope that the remaining Town will somehow magically listen to me, and swap votes within 30 minutes. I already frowned upon the "last minute train" when aidnai pulled this. Basically you're telling me to eat my own words. More importantly, I don't know who is the Traitor, and I've said many times, I'm not focused on the Traitor. If I were forced to choose and go for a Traitor lynch, I would have picked CubEdIn due to all that incoherent fuss earlier, but like I said, none of you are viable candidates anymore given the time frame. So what's wrong with abstaining? The only reason why Ace missed my vote, was because he searched for ##, instead of #, a wrong format I used. Obviously. No, I was here last night at the last minute, hilariously scrambling around trying to get SOMEONE lynched so we didn't just waste a day. I didn't remember you voting and took ace's post to be accurate, yeah, and you certainly explained away your non-vote in another post when someone pointed it out, but it doesn't change the fact that missing a lynch is seriously bad for town, and you didn't even try to keep it from happening. Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 19:55 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: Jimbo's plan seems just fine to me, as well-- zeks and beneather have been flying under the radar I've been refraining from using any swear words, even calling people stupid in this game, but it's late at night and you're pushing it. Reread my post. I never argued about or denied how suspicious Beneather and zeks looked. I even said most of us knows, so what you're saying is just pointing out the obvious. My main point, was to question JimboSilvers's motives in general, the big picture itself. You "agreeing" with him, is a pointless reply to my message. I'm talking about apples, you're talking about oranges. ...this part of the post doesn't even have anything to do with you. Yeah, apparently we agree on this point. Why are you yelling at me again? Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 19:55 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: fishball has been obnoxious and unhelpful. So you just repeated what JimboSilvers said, just with different wording. No personal opinions, nothing. I don't feel like talking about this for the Nth time, especially when I'm clearly just wasting my own energy. Let's look allll the way back to the beginning of the thread... Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 09:43 Eiii wrote: Fish if you're a master of switching personalities or whatever, could you try and make this one a bit more useful as the game goes on? No offense, but town has lost the last two games I've played because of inciteful, spammy posters that basically just distracted them and gave a bunch of false leads. ...
Hey look! It's exactly the same opinion I'm expressing now, but a couple days from the past! Man that's crazy. And you haven't changed. I call you out on something anti-town you've done, so you yell at me. I throw my hat in with jimbo and agree with you on a few points, so you insult me and yell at me. I reiterate an opinion on you that I've held for the entire game, and that others are picking up on, so you yell at me again. Along with most of the rest of your posts this game, I just don't see what this accomplishes.
Your fault for not reading. You jumped the gun, so who is it to blame? You even said I had explained why I choose to abstain. Yet you still try to argue why "it is bad for Town for not lynching". What? Even if you ignore my post, this has already been explained by other players as well. Just so you think "a lynch is always good for town, regardless of outcome", doesn't mean it is right, and that everyone will agree with you.
On January 16 2011 06:13 Eiii wrote: I call you out on something anti-town you've done
Really? You called me out on something I've done? This is the only thing you said about me. + Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: fishball has been obnoxious and unhelpful. Hey, you can regard everything I've said thus far falls into that category all you want, but it only proves that we're not even talking on the same level of logic if that is what you truly think.
On January 16 2011 06:13 Eiii wrote: I throw my hat in with jimbo and agree with you on a few points, so you insult me and yell at me. You agreed with me? Which part? I insulted and yelled at you? Quote me.
On January 16 2011 06:13 Eiii wrote: I reiterate an opinion on you that I've held for the entire game, and that others are picking up on, so you yell at me again. Along with most of the rest of your posts this game, I just don't see what this accomplishes.
So you reiterate "your opinion", something that Jimbo just talked about, and I've replied, something that I in fact replied to multiple times. Yet you just have the urge of saying that I'm "obnoxious and unhelpful" a couple post later. I should be the one saying: + Show Spoiler +On January 16 2011 06:13 Eiii wrote: I just don't see what this accomplishes. Maybe you should post once in every page and say that I suck. I'm pretty sure that accomplishes something. Oh, and again, where is the yelling?
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Out for the weekend, comeback, and see quite a big turn of events in terms of deaths.
I was notified that I was protected last night. Seems like you guys were waiting on this last piece of information.
So let me get this straight. Please read very carefully, and do not skim through the post like certain players. Keep in mind the following is going with what everyone claimed they are, and what they had done with their respective actions. This is by no means the absolute fact.
- deconduo hits me, was protected by a Doctor. (SK, 1 KP) - kitaman27 hits BloodyC0bbler, was role blocked by a Paranoid Doctor (Vig, 1 KP) - Unknown hits JimboSilvers, he survived a hit. (Unknown, 1KP) - Unknown hits zeks, he dies (Unknown, 1KP)
KP wise, this seems consistent with the four deaths, with HaploPaithan being saved by aidnai the Witch on Night 1 (Five KP). LSB, a SK was taken out so we are one KP less on Night 2 (Four KP).
If no one is lying, this is what I see. - It is very likely that zeks was hit by a SK, as Mafia shouldn't be able to hit one of their own. Even if if they could, it is extremely not likely that they would. - If a SK hits zeks, it is very likely that the Mafia choose to hit JimboSilvers. - If the Mafia hits JimboSilvers, he survives a hit and no one had protected him, that means he can be either Veteran, Bulletproof, or SK with an additional role. - We are likely to have 2 Serial Killers on the loose.
Now, back to me. I'd say it is very likely that I was protected by a Mafia Doctor due to two reasons. - Everybody and their dogs thinks I am the Traitor, so it's not surprising if they would want to "test the waters" themselves. - Regardless of my role, like I said, everyone thinks I'm the Tratior. deconduo announced before hand that he would hit me. If the Mafia saves me, this Traitor situation can just prolong for another day, distracting the Town. This is something I warned you guys about from the very beginning.
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On January 16 2011 11:30 Kenpachi wrote: Well so if Kita got roleblocked and he was saved from a hit, hes a confirmed townie
??? Are you dumb?
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On January 17 2011 06:41 Kenpachi wrote: your missing that Kita was hit by someone. Read my post above yours
Ok, Kita was hit. So he is confirmed. ???
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On January 17 2011 06:38 Fishball wrote: Out for the weekend, comeback, and see quite a big turn of events in terms of deaths.
I was notified that I was protected last night. Seems like you guys were waiting on this last piece of information.
So let me get this straight. Please read very carefully, and do not skim through the post like certain players. Keep in mind the following is going with what everyone claimed they are, and what they had done with their respective actions. This is by no means the absolute fact.
- deconduo hits me, was protected by a Doctor. (SK, 1 KP) - kitaman27 hits BloodyC0bbler, was role blocked by a Paranoid Doctor (Vig, 1 KP) - Unknown hits JimboSilvers, he survived a hit. (Unknown, 1KP) - Unknown hits zeks, he dies (Unknown, 1KP)
KP wise, this seems consistent with the four deaths, with HaploPaithan being saved by aidnai the Witch on Night 1 (Five KP). LSB, a SK was taken out so we are one KP less on Night 2 (Four KP).
If no one is lying, this is what I see. - It is very likely that zeks was hit by a SK, as Mafia shouldn't be able to hit one of their own. Even if if they could, it is extremely not likely that they would. - If a SK hits zeks, it is very likely that the Mafia choose to hit JimboSilvers. - If the Mafia hits JimboSilvers, he survives a hit and no one had protected him, that means he can be either Veteran, Bulletproof, or SK with an additional role. - We are likely to have 2 Serial Killers on the loose.
Now, back to me. I'd say it is very likely that I was protected by a Mafia Doctor due to two reasons. - Everybody and their dogs thinks I am the Traitor, so it's not surprising if they would want to "test the waters" themselves. - Regardless of my role, like I said, everyone thinks I'm the Tratior. deconduo announced before hand that he would hit me. If the Mafia saves me, this Traitor situation can just prolong for another day, distracting the Town. This is something I warned you guys about from the very beginning.
Just to add, if the following is true and is indeed how the Paranoid Doctor role works, we have one too many KP, and someone would be lying. We need a confirmation from Ace here.
On January 17 2011 05:38 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 11:28 CubEdIn wrote: confirmed: You saved your target from a hit last night. Kita you were hit according to CubE's protection So you were protected and roleblocked meaning CubE is a Paranoid Doctor.
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On January 17 2011 06:47 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 06:44 Fishball wrote:On January 17 2011 06:41 Kenpachi wrote: your missing that Kita was hit by someone. Read my post above yours Ok, Kita was hit. So he is confirmed. ??? Mafia hit was on Kita or Jimbo. JOAT/CPR/Unkown SK was on Zeks. You were hit by Deconduo. Kita hit BC. Now, This doesnt make much sense and the only possibilities are a 2nd SK on Zeks and Mafia with a JOAT/CPR or SK with 2 KP.
All your slash acronyms makes my head hurt. This is not my point. I'm talking about this quote specifically.
On January 16 2011 11:30 Kenpachi wrote: Well so if Kita got roleblocked and he was saved from a hit, hes a confirmed townie
For all that matters, it does not CONFIRM him. I already bit on LSB once for using the word "confirm" loosely. NOTHING is confirmed.
However, I give credit where credit is due. I do appreciate you pointing out the possibility of Cube saving an actual hit.
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On January 17 2011 07:11 kitaman27 wrote: Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared.
Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say.
Seeing that you already voted for me, that just further proves my point. Your decision was already decided long ago, and I rather not waste hours of my Sunday debating on something that will have little to no effect on my case.
Anyways, here is some statistic work for you guys These are the 15 players left.
- aidnai
- CubEdIn
- Kenpachi
- bumatlarge
- deconduo
- Eiii
- BloodyC0bbler
- kitaman27
- Amber[LighT]
- JimboSilvers
- Beneather
- HaploPaithan
- Pigsquirrel
- Misder
- Fishball
There are 4 Mafia, 1 Traitor, and 1 maybe 2 SK's.
That's 6-7 players, close to half of the remaining survivors that do not have Town as their priority.
These players all fall into the category of being inactive to a certain degree during the game. - BloodyC0bbler - bumatlarge - Eiii - Amber[LighT] - JimboSilvers - Beneather - HaploPaithan - Pigsquirrel - Misder
Regardless of reasons, these players fall into the "lurking/very inactive" category. - Eiii (I'm not entirely sure about his presence) - JimboSilvers - Beneather - Pigsquirrel - Misder
Two players that have literally vanished from the thread. (correct me if I'm wrong) - Beneather - Pigsquirrel
BC said that I've never exactly pushed for a lynch target myself. That is not exactly true, as I pushed for LoR's, which was deemed the best course of action for a Day 1 lynch by general consensus. I also proposed to lynch BC himself. Ok, maybe I didn't really push for BC's lynch but I've brought him up many times. I only held back after he made a case against LSB, and I agree with a lot of the stuff he says for the past couple days. Still, I find his reasoning for lynching LoR abnormal, especially after being inactive for like the first 3 days. + Show Spoiler +On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ##vote layoffrage
Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.
I'm pretty sure even BC himself would agree with me if you look at it from another player's view point. Still, what he is providing right now, far outshines the skepticism early on; I don't really have anything against him for now.
So if you were to ask me for a lynch target, the information mentioned above is where I would start to look at.
Also, every one of you please keep one thing in mind. A player having their role confirmed does not mean their alignment is confirmed. I've seen a few of you use the word "confirm" a lot. It's mind boggling.
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Triple post, all quoting yourself. You can be BM's successor.
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On January 17 2011 09:28 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote:On January 17 2011 07:11 kitaman27 wrote: Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared. Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. Your only response to the traitor situation is that everyone thinks you are it and you're not focused on finding it. Show nested quote +Seeing that you already voted for me, that just further proves my point. Your decision was already decided long ago, and I rather not waste hours of my Sunday debating on something that will have little to no effect on my case. You have given little reason to change my mind. There are very few possible situations remaining. If I were in your situation and knew I wasn't traitor I would surely push for who I thought it was rather than go after a giant list of inactives. Show nested quote +
1 deconduo (copy cat, cannot be traitor) 2 Kenpachi (either BC is the godfather or someone between BC and kenpachi selected the godfather and bum is lying about his role cop check) 3 kitaman27 (lied about being role blocked and being hit at night)
4 Barundar (dead, cannot be traitor)
5 Jackal58 (dead, cannot be traitor) 6 Fishball 7 Amber[Light] (lied about role blocking kenpachi and pig, meaning kenpachi and pig would also have to be lying, assuming pig ever comes forth) 8 CubEdIn (lied about saving me from a hit, while a second medic did save me from a hit)
9 LayOffRage (dead, cannot be traitor)
Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:20 bumatlarge wrote:On January 17 2011 09:13 Kenpachi wrote: Interesting.. Eii lied? Did he claim? I must have missed it. Well I know he is lying so until he responds to his situation. ##Vote Eiii I don't recall a Eiii claim either.
Exactly, I don't need you to change your mind. I'm not going to bother, how hard is it to understand?
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On January 17 2011 09:41 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:28 kitaman27 wrote:On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote:On January 17 2011 07:11 kitaman27 wrote: Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared. Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. Your only response to the traitor situation is that everyone thinks you are it and you're not focused on finding it. Seeing that you already voted for me, that just further proves my point. Your decision was already decided long ago, and I rather not waste hours of my Sunday debating on something that will have little to no effect on my case. You have given little reason to change my mind. There are very few possible situations remaining. If I were in your situation and knew I wasn't traitor I would surely push for who I thought it was rather than go after a giant list of inactives.
1 deconduo (copy cat, cannot be traitor) 2 Kenpachi (either BC is the godfather or someone between BC and kenpachi selected the godfather and bum is lying about his role cop check) 3 kitaman27 (lied about being role blocked and being hit at night)
4 Barundar (dead, cannot be traitor)
5 Jackal58 (dead, cannot be traitor) 6 Fishball 7 Amber[Light] (lied about role blocking kenpachi and pig, meaning kenpachi and pig would also have to be lying, assuming pig ever comes forth) 8 CubEdIn (lied about saving me from a hit, while a second medic did save me from a hit)
9 LayOffRage (dead, cannot be traitor)
On January 17 2011 09:20 bumatlarge wrote:On January 17 2011 09:13 Kenpachi wrote: Interesting.. Eii lied? Did he claim? I must have missed it. Well I know he is lying so until he responds to his situation. ##Vote Eiii I don't recall a Eiii claim either. Exactly, I don't need you to change your mind. I'm not going to bother, how hard is it to understand?
Also, lol @ 3 kitaman27 (lied about being role blocked and being hit at night) Did you deliberately leave out the possibility of "lied being a vig"? I mean, if you want to make your post convincing, at least list everything out. The more you hide it, the more suspicious you look.
This is my response to Jimbo a few pages back.
On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote: So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move.
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On January 17 2011 10:22 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 10:18 Pigsquirrel wrote: Referring back to a rather old topic, but more relevant now that Fish is being accused of traitor/scum. Amber switched his vote off of Fish and threw away the lynch. If Fish gets lynched, major FoS at Amber for switching off of him.
Also, I've tried to do some analysis on BC but completely suck as this is my first game. He's said quite a few things that seem like slips and has been very disruptive and seems manipulative, like LSB. I still don't trust him.
##vote BloodyC0bbler Confirm you were role blocked last night? lol @ bum. How dare you use your story telling abilities to prevent me from wanting to hit you. :p Another lol @ fish for going back to calling my a SK.
You think you can just laugh it off, again?
Truth - You did not list the possibility that you can be SK Truth - You did not list the possibility that you might not be Vig. I've also said this once to LSB. I don't care if you are Mafia/SK/Town/Bystander that is not playing the game, you cannot deny this.
It's almost like me saying, "lol @ kitaman27 for going back to calling me a Traitor".
Let's just assume I'm Mafia/Traitor, it only further supports my speculation. Mafia and Town both wants to get rid of SK. So downplaying my speculation with a "lol" due to me being a Traitor suspect doesn't really work. You could have taken a very different approach if you were truly Town.
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On January 17 2011 11:43 aidnai wrote: So, having our medic roleblock is kind of annoying... Not sure how we'll be able to use Kita's vig role safely now. :/
It sounds like Fishball is giving up, if that is the case and he is in fact traitor/scum, we should expect that he is being bussed and people that are on his wagon are not necessarily in the clear. Due to all the circumstantial evidence, it really does look like Fish must be the traitor, and most likely he's already been recruited. BC's psychoanalysis is interesting, but not as convincing to me as the other evidence that has piled up.
##Vote Fishball
Fishball, if you're town and you don't want to defend yourself, at least give us some ideas to look into once you flip green.
You're kidding right? I've given more than enough ideas. Actually, most of my stuff ARE ideas.
Look at kitaman27, that's an idea. Look at the inactives, that's an idea. Look at BC if you guys want, that's an idea. Look at JimboSilvers, that's an idea.
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On January 17 2011 12:05 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 11:48 Fishball wrote: Truth - You did not list the possibility that you can be SK Truth - You did not list the possibility that you might not be Vig.
Saying that I could be serial killer wouldn't make sense. Show nested quote +[*] Traitor - You hold no allegiance to the town. If you are targeted by Scum at night with any action, instead of that action happening you'll be recruited by them instead. You lose if the Mafia lose. However you are part of the town count before recruitment. This role is nullified for the Serial Killer(s) since it may be too broken if they have it. Maybe if you keep calling me SK enough times, it might come true! I didn't list the possibility that I might not be vig because I know I am vig. I'll give you that. So am I the person you suspect to be traitor? Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 11:48 Fishball wrote:On January 17 2011 10:22 kitaman27 wrote:On January 17 2011 10:18 Pigsquirrel wrote: Referring back to a rather old topic, but more relevant now that Fish is being accused of traitor/scum. Amber switched his vote off of Fish and threw away the lynch. If Fish gets lynched, major FoS at Amber for switching off of him.
Also, I've tried to do some analysis on BC but completely suck as this is my first game. He's said quite a few things that seem like slips and has been very disruptive and seems manipulative, like LSB. I still don't trust him.
##vote BloodyC0bbler Confirm you were role blocked last night? lol @ bum. How dare you use your story telling abilities to prevent me from wanting to hit you. :p Another lol @ fish for going back to calling my a SK. You think you can just laugh it off, again? I've also said this once to LSB. I don't care if you are Mafia/SK/Town/Bystander that is not playing the game, you cannot deny this. It's almost like me saying, "lol @ kitaman27 for going back to calling me a Traitor". Hmm, that seems vaguely familiar. Oh right! Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 07:57 Fishball wrote:On January 11 2011 07:26 LayOffRage wrote: Fishball is the traitor. Oh... I'm also many things... in bed...
When, did I accuse you of being the Traitor. WHEN? Show me. Even any subtle sign, I would like to see you quote me. A bit subjective here aren't we? Now I'm really inclined to see you flip.
##Vote kitaman27
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On January 17 2011 12:48 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 12:19 Fishball wrote:On January 17 2011 12:05 kitaman27 wrote:On January 17 2011 11:48 Fishball wrote: Truth - You did not list the possibility that you can be SK Truth - You did not list the possibility that you might not be Vig.
Saying that I could be serial killer wouldn't make sense. [*] Traitor - You hold no allegiance to the town. If you are targeted by Scum at night with any action, instead of that action happening you'll be recruited by them instead. You lose if the Mafia lose. However you are part of the town count before recruitment. This role is nullified for the Serial Killer(s) since it may be too broken if they have it. Maybe if you keep calling me SK enough times, it might come true! I didn't list the possibility that I might not be vig because I know I am vig. I'll give you that. So am I the person you suspect to be traitor? On January 17 2011 11:48 Fishball wrote:On January 17 2011 10:22 kitaman27 wrote:On January 17 2011 10:18 Pigsquirrel wrote: Referring back to a rather old topic, but more relevant now that Fish is being accused of traitor/scum. Amber switched his vote off of Fish and threw away the lynch. If Fish gets lynched, major FoS at Amber for switching off of him.
Also, I've tried to do some analysis on BC but completely suck as this is my first game. He's said quite a few things that seem like slips and has been very disruptive and seems manipulative, like LSB. I still don't trust him.
##vote BloodyC0bbler Confirm you were role blocked last night? lol @ bum. How dare you use your story telling abilities to prevent me from wanting to hit you. :p Another lol @ fish for going back to calling my a SK. You think you can just laugh it off, again? I've also said this once to LSB. I don't care if you are Mafia/SK/Town/Bystander that is not playing the game, you cannot deny this. It's almost like me saying, "lol @ kitaman27 for going back to calling me a Traitor". Hmm, that seems vaguely familiar. Oh right! On January 11 2011 07:57 Fishball wrote:On January 11 2011 07:26 LayOffRage wrote: Fishball is the traitor. Oh... I'm also many things... in bed... When, did I accuse you of being the Traitor. WHEN? Show me. Even any subtle sign, I would like to see you quote me. A bit subjective here aren't we? Now I'm really inclined to see you flip. ##Vote kitaman27 When did I accuse you of accusing me of being the Traitor. WHEN? This is getting silly -_- I asked you who you thought the traitor was with a list of possible suspects. You responded by saying that I left out the fact that I could not be the vig. I responded by asking if that omission meant you thought I was the traitor. Thanks for voting at least. I wish the result of the town would get around to voting unless they want a no-lynch like the day before.
You are full of shit. So you're saying I'm not accusing you of Traitor, yet you ask: + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 12:05 kitaman27 wrote: Maybe if you keep calling me SK enough times, it might come true! I didn't list the possibility that I might not be vig because I know I am vig. I'll give you that. So am I the person you suspect to be traitor?
Then you proceed to "prove" that you can't be the Traitor and the SK at the same time.
Do you even make sense? Because I wasn't even talking about "who is the Traitor". I was talking about you.
The only comment I had regarding your list, was to point out the fact that you were hiding "certain" possibilities, something that you shouldn't do if you want to make your post convincing. I even said + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 09:41 Fishball wrote: Exactly, I don't need you to change your mind. I'm not going to bother, how hard is it to understand? and earlier, + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 07:11 kitaman27 wrote: Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared. Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. It that doesn't tell you I'm not fucking talking about the Traitor, then I give up. To me, this is a huge slip up.
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On January 17 2011 13:26 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 13:26 kitaman27 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 09:41 Fishball wrote: Exactly, I don't need you to change your mind. I'm not going to bother, how hard is it to understand? and earlier, + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 07:11 kitaman27 wrote: Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared. Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. It that doesn't tell you I'm not fucking talking about the Traitor, then I give up. To me, this is a huge slip up. Wait, so do you think I'm the traitor? Based on this post it doesn't sound like it. Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 12:19 Fishball wrote: When, did I accuse you of being the Traitor. WHEN? Show me. Even any subtle sign, I would like to see you quote me. A bit subjective here aren't we? Now I'm really inclined to see you flip.
##Vote kitaman27 So that probably means you think I'm scum. That means that you think the traitor is still in the top 8 and kenpachi, cube, or amber is the traitor? This isn't adding up. I have not slipped, you are getting desperate. Town: Do you see what is happening here? Fishball is trying to make you guys turn on your town aligned kp. They already tried to kill me at night. Don't fall for this nonsense.
Hahahahaha.
Wait, so do you think I'm the traitor? Based on this post it doesn't sound like it.
Really? You just further proved to everyone that you have zero reading comprehension ability whatsoever.
Ok, let Daddy guide you. What have I been posting about you for the past hour or so? Yes, the possibility and likelihood of you being a SK. Good, good... Now, if I accuse you to be a SK, can you also be the Traitor? Come on Johnny, you can do it! You already answered this once! Uh, I hear a "No?" That's right!. So Johnny, why did you ask this question in the first place?
I also like how I specifically said this. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 13:08 Fishball wrote:I wasn't even talking about "who is the Traitor". I was talking about you. The only comment I had regarding your list, was to point out the fact that you were hiding "certain" possibilities, something that you shouldn't do if you want to make your post convincing. I even said + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 09:41 Fishball wrote: Exactly, I don't need you to change your mind. I'm not going to bother, how hard is it to understand? and earlier, + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 07:11 kitaman27 wrote: Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared. Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. It that doesn't tell you I'm not fucking talking about the Traitor, then I give up. To me, this is a huge slip up.
Then you say:
On January 17 2011 13:26 kitaman27 wrote: That means that you think the traitor is still in the top 8 and kenpachi, cube, or amber is the traitor?
Numerous times I've said that I'm not talking about the Traitor, yet time after time, you keep commenting on who you think I think who the Traitor is. You are hilarious.
On January 17 2011 13:26 kitaman27 wrote: Town: Do you see what is happening here? Fishball is trying to make you guys turn on your town aligned kp. They already tried to kill me at night. Don't fall for this nonsense.
You can paint yourself green all over, but what confirms you as a "Town Aligned KP"? Hell, I just even quoted one of my older posts, which I assume you choose to ignore or failed to read or comprehend or all of the above. This isn't really a surprise to me.
On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote: So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move.
and here, I pointed out how being a top Traitor suspect, my accusation does not have any conflict of interest with Town.
On January 17 2011 11:48 Fishball wrote: Let's just assume I'm Mafia/Traitor, it only further supports my speculation. Mafia and Town both wants to get rid of SK. So downplaying my speculation with a "lol" due to me being a Traitor suspect doesn't really work. You could have taken a very different approach if you were truly Town.
I can never be sure that you are a SK or not. You only lead me to vote for you after multiple logical slip ups and your stealthy behavior. When I questioned your post, you used this as a reason. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 12:05 kitaman27 wrote: I didn't list the possibility that I might not be vig because I know I am vig. I'll give you that.
So let's say, there is a list of 3 players, and there is a Mafia among them. If one of them claims he is not Mafia, does that mean the Mafia has to be among the other two? That's how weak your reasoning is, and explains a lot about yourself. Then when all my posts are directed at you, for some reason, you can interpret that "as me and my insight on the Traitor", even when there are multiple posts indicating I'm NOT talking about the Traitor. You are so subjective, this is beyond me. It's really hard for me to believe that you are truly Town at this point, enough to warrant my vote.
If we catch a SK, that's instantly -1 KP. If we catch a Mafia, the KP remains the same. To me, you're a solid candidate for a SK, and that's all I have to say.
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On January 17 2011 14:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 14:24 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 13:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:12 bumatlarge wrote: Since mafia believes I am role cop, I guess it's no use keeping it secret.
I am a Role Cop Night 1. I checked kenpachi and it came back GodFather. I was going to come out and say it but then LSB and BC came out and said they went for GF, and that kenachi wasn't getting FoS for his move. Night 2 I picked Eii and got back vanilla. He should confirm this, but I have no idea what he went for or not. Night 3 I will check fishball if he survives. I want to check someone who can actually confirm I have rolecop, so tonight I will check one of the following unclaimed. Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:20 bumatlarge wrote:On January 17 2011 09:13 Kenpachi wrote: Interesting.. Eii lied? Did he claim? I must have missed it. Well I know he is lying so until he responds to his situation. ##Vote Eiii He never claimed he got parity cop but he did say he would try to get it. You voting for him after you know he flipped vanilla townie is retarded. If he flipped vanilla town, and we know traitor was chosen befor ehim in the list he can only be 100% town by your own role. This is the most what the fuck reasoning to vote ever. You could have read the thread to know he hadn't claimed. Also, it is far too convienient that you checked a claimed player already, checked an inactive and got back innocent, while not actively participating in analysis. You have rehashed information multiple times, or chimed in on possible targets but have failed to actually bring forward targets of your own. I will be analyzing you as you are insanely obviously red at this point. Your role claim / target choices just proves it. Now, lets get to the matter at hand. Town majority at least till this point was Fishball is traitor. for what I can see, town majority still thinks he is He claimed mafia medic protected him, IE we know he was recruited last night This also means for him to survive "decon's" hit, decon must be red as well (mafia med won't prot him, just recruit him) Factor in Fishballs play today, He is actively trying to kill an almost essentially confirmed player (yes fishball, he actually is almost confirmed) over not factoring in a random situation that was insanely unlikely. You have seperately called him traitor and sk in previous posts which would lead to the confusion of his saying "sk can't be traitor". EVERYONE STOP AND VOTE FISHBALL. At the moment he is being counter productive, and if I am correct and he flips recruited mafia, we have just nabbed decon as well. Bum is obviously red, and my next closest suspect is Pigsquirrel who I will also be analyzing. Lets just win this game already and stop with the nonessential infighting. We have a list of townies that are basically good to go, time to remove the ones who aren't contributing and obviously anti town. I know what I have to do to win. I don't need to confirm myself, I've been here this whole game telling town what I thought and giving them hell for what I thought was stupid, and you've been trying to do that also, except a day later. You let day 2 slip by without lynching anyone. So you are most likely busing fishball when half the active people are already voting for him and now deconduo is red? Of course we are going to lynch him next after killing 3 more townies during the night whether he is SK or scum. And it wouldn't surprise me if he did pop red now that you "deduced" it. The only thing stopping you is town isn't going to blindly believe everything you say. Jimbo was hit right after you said "I like this guy!" You knew he was smart, but that kill didn't go your way. Can't wait for him to get back and refute this scenario you've created. Now you are trying to bully the remainder of the people like Amber who is 95% town into following you by insulting them. I'll never get that why you and fishball think insulting someone's intelligence is the best way to persuade them. And of course the other 4 in the top besides fish and deconduo are town because their stories rely on one another, and damn you don't have a scum among them. Well let's kill them with kindness and "insta towny" all of them. WE'LL HAVE A HOLIDAY EVERYONE BC IS GIVING OUT INSTA TOWNIE REP! I've got mine, and I think you are banking way too hard that town will lynch me during lylo. You'd be running short on the list of people you can bus then? Bus? Dude, go compare your play to zeks, sup same shit. You are feigning activity, you have done 0 real analysis on finding scum. Period. You can come out all you want and say "i think so and so is x" without an actual post behind why you believe so its useless and fluff posts. It gives you the appearance of being active and contributing while in actuality lurking and keeping back. You also kept relatively inactive in thread all through day 2 until you were called out. As for the pushing of fishball now? If he flips red it gives us another one, decon. Compare fish's play to today till any other day and hes suddenly more active, gone from "i don't give a shit/post somewhat intelligently" to massive FoS someone who has yet to do anything massively anti town. Its chaos. But his play is drastically different now, what changed? Simple, he was given an "out" to live today. Far too convienient and most likely a lie.
To be fair, my activity level have been pretty consistent. There were only 2-3 days that I was busy or out. I already pointed out that my accusations have no conflict of interest with Town if I were Mafia/Traitor, so it won't be a "lie". You and others can vote for me all you want. As said before, I do no intend to defend myself nor discuss the Traitor any further due to reasons mentioned. kitaman did understand what that quote meant and exposed himself, so I voted for him. There are no gimmicks.
If you guys do not see what I see, then keep your vote on me. If you guys see what I see, but think I'm the second coming of Satan, then keep your vote on me. If you guys see what I see, and agree with me, then don't keep your vote on me.
It's simple as that.
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