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On January 12 2011 04:28 Barundar wrote: Ah thats why you all want to kill him? Honestly don't see why he is scum just beceause he tells us about a traitor further up the draft, and accuses fishball. But hey, I'm not exactly a RoL expert... I mean, this post alone should ring a bell. LoR only has 48 posts, and is an "experienced" player huh. On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target. But LoR being RoL has nothing to do with "us" wanting to kill him. Right now, only Bum and me have stated our reasons why we should lynch LoR. The majority is jumping on the aidnai train. | ||
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On January 12 2011 04:32 aidnai wrote: We need to hear more from these people to be able to get a good read. I also am having a hard time reading haplopaithan, even though he's posted roughly twice as much as the above. Aside from that FoS term, HaploPaithan has been alright. The stuff he says are logical to me, he has been pretty civil, and doesn't get intimidated. I like players like him. | ||
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On January 12 2011 04:52 LSB wrote: About the Traitor I would like to talk about my experiences as a traitor in PYP2. The key thing I did was kept the town on the topic of the traitor and tried to waste the day lynches on the traitor. This worked, and it was a great way to waste lynches. Instead of wasting our day discussion talking about who is traitor or who is not, we should just focus on other things and work on the traitor at night. But the thing about the traitor was, once I was discovered, the Mafia Compulsive Vig also fell with me, since the Compulsive Vig hit me night 2 and did not kill me. We can use the traitor as a way to link in other roles and drag down mafia. This is an effective way to use our blues and also to confirm a lot of people up top. Two Key Facts about the traitor/copycat 1. The traitor/copycat is a role pick and has no other special powers- The Role Cop could be a great way to find the traitor and Copy Cat. In addition.the traitor won't be able to do what they normally want to do. We can then use this to verify a lot of the people on the list. Here's the Plan. Deconduo will shoot LayOffRage If LayOffRage is killed, deconduo is probably not the traitor. Kenpachi will shoot Amber[Light]. Amber[Light] will Roleblock Kenpachi. If Amber[Light] is the traitor, he won't have the Roleblock ability and will die Kitaman27 will be checked by the Bullet Bill. Kitaman27 should have a gun. If he doesn't he's the traitor. Barundar will be checked by the Rolecop. Insta vertification if Barundar is Copycat/Traitor Fishball will be Tracked. Since Fishball has a role, he should be visiting someone. Night 2, we then will check the remaining people Jackal58, CubEdIn and Kenpachi A short summary 2. The traitor if hit by a mafia member at night will be converted- The best way to verify our CPR doc and Vig is by having them kill the traitor for us. If they are unable to do it, it could be a way to confirm them. Once we found a traitor. It's Better for the town to use nightkills on it. Cool that you posted this just when my lunch break is coming to an end. I'll try to make it brief and straight to the key points. - "Stirring-up-the-Traitor" topic in PYP2 was already mentioned in my other post, and your post further supports my logic, especially with you being the Traitor in that game. There is one flaw regarding the CV falling with you, as the CV was predicted to fall sooner or later, and hitting the CV was never actually a deciding factor. Regardless, it doesn't affect this game, and you can PM me after the game if you want to discuss. - If Deconduo can shock LayOffRage, he can't be the Traitor right? Not "probably not". Anyways, I think you're way ahead of yourself right now. We need to lynch somebody first, and you're already talking about Night, and assigning actions to everyone. I don't mind you thinking about Night, but you need take account of Day as well. You really want to take charge of the game and tell everyone what to do, do you? For good or bad, this will be an extremely hard feat. | ||
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On January 12 2011 05:28 LSB wrote: By my logic I am saying that we should make No traitor related lynches at all. Unless it comes with analysis. Jimbosilvers is someone I want to flip. I was expecting someone to come up with a plan. But not one that does the exact same thing that I does, but worse. It seems like the mafia just stuck Jimbo out there to try to cause confusion on role picks I did come up with a plan, and it does comes with analysis. I'll quote myself from here since a lot of people seems to have missed this. On January 11 2011 14:23 Fishball wrote: Right now, I propose to lynch "LayOffRage" for three reasons. - Eliminates the possibility that he is Traitor himself crying wolf. - If he dies and flips Vanilla, the Copy Cat (alignment unknown) will not get any surprising powers. This also proves that there is indeed a Traitor among the top 8, and the Town should be aware. - Eliminates the chance of losing a power role for Town, unlike other lynch targets. Just because you want a certain player to flip, and no one proposes anything similar to what you had in mind, doesn't necessarily make other plan worse. On January 12 2011 05:28 LSB wrote: Why change from LoR? As you put it best What change from LoR? I have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't say the first quote. You're thinking of someone else. | ||
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On January 12 2011 09:05 Divinek wrote: aw balls i really wanted to vote for aid and now he claims a role like that? wahhh voting rage seems like a terrible idea if no one is helping him out to stay alive indirectly or otherwise...very unlikely for a mafia to go down so easily day 1. I mean yeah they hardly ever go down day 1 at all, but if they votes start piling up and shit doesnt start flying odds are we got the wrong chap. oh and lookie me i got a role too, yay despite being so low. hm didnt say anything about no voting for yourself so ill do that for now, id almost rather just throw a dart at the board for my vote since that's less inclined to slander or manipulation but i suppose it's better to actually end up with a meaningful one, until then ##vote divinek Sup Mafia. | ||
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On January 12 2011 09:07 LayOffRage wrote: Meh, since everyone knows who I am already there is no advantage to me using this name anymore. If you want to kill me before I decide to do anything credible then do it. You have all seen how I play in normal games. I will do analysis and you can try to find holes if you want and I will argue and find candidates. Since my AKA isn't hitting I will explain my reasoning in full detail. I figured if I did this earlier on it would let off that I was smurfing but since 90% of the game already knows its fine. deconduo Kenpachi kitaman27 Barundar Jackal58 Fishball Amber[Light] CubEdIn these are the players ahead of me in the draft list. One of them IS the traitor. Out of them here is how I will break it down. Kenpachi, Deconduo, Kitaman, Barndar. jackal58 and to a lessor extent cubedln are new guys and if you have the option to choose a role, traitor a non power role definitely isn't high on that list for new guys. Its really hard to play and I was looking for a fun challenge. I knew it would be harder to take the hit and get converted if I wasn't on my normal account so I was going to have to try even harder. I will also say that the above mentioned players aren't generally too crazy of people like what you would expect Chezinu to do. If Chezinu was on that list and even pandain I wouldn't feel confident calling fishball as the traitor. Now for the last two we just have Amber[LighT] and Fishball. Amber is more of a linear player as well not too crazy and if hes town he would choose a powerful town role imo. Fishball however I think is a very likely pick for the person who stole my traitor role. Fishball uses a variety of play styles to avoid establishing any pattern of play, he also never takes games fully serious so he is inherently a very difficult person to read. Fishball also blatantly said he wasn't going to follow the plan the town had been considering. If he was town aligned he probably knew he could pick the traitor role and the odds of someone else picking it were extremely low, especially high up on the draft order. Unfortunately for him I chose to pick it too which meant I narrowed the traitor down to 8 players whose play styles I was familiar with and could make an assessment call on it. If I actually got the traitor role the last thing I would of done was claim that I didn't get the role. It would lead to the exact wifom shit that is happening now of if I am lying and really got it or not and might confuse people for a little while. While if I just played chaotically and did faulty huge analysis I would likely screw with the town and draw a hit for attempting to be productive. So I think Fishball has to be the traitor. If you want to kill me to prove that I am being true feel free to do it. But everyone in this game knows that I could be useful if I was left alive and that they are taking care of the mafia's work. Oh, RoL. I assume you've read my other post, so I won't repeat myself here. Think from my position. Do you not agree that the motives, logic, and explanation makes sense? Let's say we swap positions, what plan would you propose? I dare say very similar to what Bum and I have. Assuming you're not lying. Seems like what you're trying to pin me with, is based on player profiling. You analyze a list of players, then take your best shot on regarding who you think is the Traitor. But seems like there is some contradiction on what you think about me and your conclusion; You say I'm difficult to read, yet you've read me. I know you didn't say impossible, but you know what I'm getting at. Overall, it almost seems like you've subconsciously locked on me from the get-go just by reading your analysis above. How much do you know about the others? How much do you really know about me? Despite my screwing around, I did try and have gotten the ball rolling, and all my real arguments have always had Town in its best interest. Even something as short as "Sup Mafia" in reply to Divinek, isn't exactly something random from me and I actually mean it. To be fair, I'd say Mafia would want to get rid of me faster than you do. On the other hand, I'm quite flattered. I never thought anyone would pay attention to me, and I actually try to stay out of the spot light for the majority of the time; I play the game, and GTFO. Just for the record, I do take games seriously, at least in most of the games I've played. Maybe too serious, hence why I've said earlier in the thread: On January 11 2011 08:42 Fishball wrote: I've been through enough games where it gets flat out frustrating. I end this post with a flower. | ||
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On January 12 2011 09:09 LSB wrote: Nice use of your 4k btw On January 12 2011 09:09 Kenpachi wrote: POST #4000 Haha, it's fine. I was never really into that kinda of thing. I've been a long time TL member and I'm proud of myself. That's all that matters. Maybe I'll do something when I hit 10k posts a decade later. | ||
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On January 12 2011 09:31 aidnai wrote: We're running out of time to do this, but I would like to present a lynch target based on believing they are scum, rather than based on wanting information. My proposed lynch is Amber[light]. Here is my case. + Show Spoiler + The original post from Amber that caught my attention: On January 09 2011 05:36 Amber[LighT] wrote: Just noting I did pick a random number, and everyone should do the same. Though I don't believe the role selection process (post-draft) should be unveiled to the entire town. More importantly: Play the role you get. If you pout because you got townie and don't participate I will personally make your mafia-playing life a living hell and accuse you EVERY game in the future just because I like to be frustrating. It's actually more important for the town to fool the mafia and pick roles to limit their KP per night. Of course we cant discuss how this should go about because there are more roles in this game than players, so it would be too easy. The goal of this process should be to make the mafia as vanilla as possible, not to ensure every player gets a role they want. GL in the draft... This struck me as a possible scum post because of the tone and nature of the advice. Others may agree/disagree, and I can't explain it fully, so I'll just let you look and decide yourself. However, the other two posts below are much better evidence. On January 10 2011 22:32 Amber[LighT] wrote: I think looking into the draft numbers might be a lost cause. Don't forget that it would be in the best interest of the mafia to follow the plan. This ensures that they receive a role. I wouldn't be surprised if the more unique combination (higher ups) are mafia, but to be honest that's good player strategy to achieve a unique combination that throws them up to the top. People who have double are _less_ likely to be mafia, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't put down the same numbers to alleviate some suspicion. The draft process was too transparent, so infiltration by the mafia is highly likely. In this post, Amber is spouting a mix of nonsense and obvious truth. The nonsense: -Don't forget that it would be in the best interest of the mafia to follow the plan. This ensures that they receive a role. Actually, if town follows the plan, then mafia are free to cherry pick any roles that are further down the list than their own and still be assured of a role. -The draft process was too transparent, so infiltration by the mafia is highly likely. Transparent? Infiltration? wtf are you talking about, people picked numbers and pmed them to Ace. Obvious: - but to be honest that's good player strategy to achieve a unique combination that throws them up to the top. Duh. - People who have double are _less_ likely to be mafia, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't put down the same numbers to alleviate some suspicion. Duh, and this doesn't actually say anything one way or another. I honestly don't see any reason for posting something like this other than 1) avoiding modkill AND 2) wanting to not look scummy On January 11 2011 22:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: I think you should use your ability as a NK vs a saver ability. Think about the chances of you saving someone vs killing someone. Your ability has better usage for town KP when we want to snipe mafia members, or to ensure their death. I don't think LoR should be lynched. It's obvious who should be lynched, as we don't have any conclusive evidence of their role choice or the choice of another players: Kenpachi & Barundar He (Kenpachi) is playing scummy and defensive, which isn't all of a shock from his normal play. Chances are he probably is the copy cat. We have to weigh the possibilities that he's actually is the copy cat. Do we want him to have that power activated? I think since we've wasted time cornering the possible copy cat allowing him to obtain a usage for his role would be wasteful as he's going to be a sure-fire target for night 1, granted we accidentally list a power role today. Do we also want that power role in the hands of a mafia member? Mostly another potent mix of nonsense and obvious stuff, so I bolded everything else in this post. How did Amber already seem to pick out that kenpachi is probably CC? Seems pretty smart, especially compared to the rest of the post (suggesting CPR doc to kill people instead of save, you seriously think we needed you to tell us?) Also highly troubling here is the fact that in the prior post, Amber says mafia should follow the plan for their own good, but in this post he says kenpachi and barundar are the obvious lynch targets because they can't prove they followed the plan! If you don't believe your current lynch target is scum, don't lynch them and consider amber please. ##Vote Amber[light] No, I haven't read your case and I won't bother reading it. So basically what you're attempting to do, is to start a brand new lynch train, with voting ending in 3 hours. We already have few decent candidates, yet Town is reluctant to pull the trigger. Still, you want to stir it up some more. Do you realize how bad this makes you look? | ||
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On January 12 2011 10:20 aidnai wrote: We don't have "a few decent candidates". We have information lynches on people that no one seems to think are actually scum. Kenpachi always looks scummy and responds poorly to pressure. Easy, bad lynch. LOR's lynch is going to tell us that the traitor is in the top eight. I don't think I'm a top candidate anymore, but again that's because of 'information'. You want my analysis to be tossed aside, even though you haven't read it and "won't bother reading it." Do you realize how bad this makes you look? I didn't push for the Kenpachi lynch, and whether or not it's a bad lynch, how do you know? Easy? Right... right... LoR's lynch, validates his claim, AND gives us information whether if there is a Traitor among the top eight, also prevents the CC (alignment unknown) from get any power role. Wait, why the fuck am I repeating myself for the third time here? Oh, and what happened to the other major candidate, yourself? No comment on yourself? Must be a bad lynch too huh? I know most of the people that originally voted for you have changed and split their votes among Kenpachi and LoR, but that doesn't magically make you in the clear. Posts like this makes me want to vote for you. I want your analysis to be tossed aside? You have reading comprehension issues do you? (I hate bringing this up). I said I didn't read it, but I didn't tell other people, nor I have the power to stop them for reading it if they wanted to. You mad being accused? You can disagree with the majority of us regarding the decency of these candidates, but what makes you think that your analysis on your candidate, is decent enough to to have the majority of players switch votes for him, within 180 minutes? Hey, by all means, Amber[LighT] could very well be Mafia, but what you're proposing at this timing, with a lack of read and perspective from other players, is just causing a diversion, distracting the Town even further. No, I don't realize how bad this makes me look. | ||
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On January 12 2011 10:32 Divinek wrote: im keeping this post saved away somewhere for whenever i do manage to flip and you're wrong :D unless of course you're mafia which would be funnnnnnny, but i dont think you are...yet! but i can see why you would think that i am tehehe eh eh hm. Teehee... So you, hehe, understand why one would consider you scummy heheheh, yet you want to prove that person wrong AFTER you die. Tehehehhe. I don't know, hehe, what you're trying to imply, hohohooho, and I'm not going there, harhar. Let's just say I've already called out more than 5 players. So if I'm not wrong, THAT would be funny. HEHEHEHEHE DERP | ||
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On January 12 2011 14:07 Beneather wrote: Lool, Wait CC doesn't get Vanilla Townie I thought it was first death Proof that people tend to not read anything I say, or just everything in general. | ||
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# aidnai Scum or incoherent Townie. He has been brought up as a prime candidate for lynch but was able to fight his way out. His last minute suggestion of another lynch candidate made me raise an eyebrow. # CubEdIn Nothing much on the guy. Pretty active, but nothing particularly stands out. Memory tells me he is reasonable. # Kenpachi Second major lynch target right after LoR. I'm going to be very honest here, the majority of my time was spent replying to those who wrote to me. I mainly let the majority interrogate Kenpachi, and only read through those posts. # bumatlarge Lately, seems like every time I play a game, bum is there too. Based on experience, bum is being bum, as in town aligned bum. He always ends up being Town for some reason... A logical player, and is a Mafia veteran. # Barundar Who are you? I'm sorry # deconduo Supposedly the CPR. A brief incident of him claiming not being able to get the CPR role, which then claimed it was actually Ace's mistake. Ace refused to confirm anything, but I do believe it's the latter. He haven't posted much lately, or entirely actually. # Eiii Random dude that changed his votes a couple times I think. # BloodyC0bbler Haha... I've mentioned BC more than a few times in the thread. Dude has been MIA thus far, and his reasoning for voting LoR is just # kitaman27 Involved on the other side of the gong show. # GGQ Some how you always slip through my mind. Nothing have stood out thus far. # Amber[LighT] Another experienced Mafia player mostly lurking around. Like mentioned in my other post in reply to aidnai, Amber may very well be Mafia, I never denied it. I thought it was bad when he instantly voted for aidnai when aidnai accused him. I thought he wasn't here. # JimboSilvers Hmm, to say my impression on him, he currently lies in between CubEdIn and GGQ... # LSB Leader wannabe. Forced his plan really hard, despite opposing voices during pre-game from numerous players. For the most part, LSB's thought process has been logical, but not without flaws. On a scale of 10, 1 is Town aligned and 10 is Mafia aligned, I would put him at a 4 for now. # Jackal58 Another gong show member! # Beneather Seriously, how many times have I caught this guy failing to read? At least 3 times already. I don't know what to make of him. If he is Mafia, his slip ups are just too hard to believe they are actual slip ups. # HaploPaithan Calm guy. Another rather reasonable player. His ideas has been quite pro town. # Pigsquirrel Who the !@#$ are you?! # zeks Ignored my initial [3][1],[3][2],[3][3] accusation like a boss. He hasn't talked much, so not much here, but it almost feels like he is holding something back. zeks has also played in numerous Mafia games before. # Misder Dude that claims that he is not here, which I don't deny, but will eventually pop by to defend my blasphemous accusations. Unlike zeks, he gave me the opposite response to my [3][1],[3][2],[3][3] accusation. # Divinek Mainly inactive. Dropped by and expressed his disappointment of not being able to vote for aidnai, along with some gibberish. Quoted my epic 4k post and said he would be happy to prove me wrong after he dies... teheheh. No shrooms while playing Mafia, kk? So yeah, take my words with a pinch of salt. Now I have to reread all the posts and figure out this CC/CPR/Witch situation. | ||
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Woah, slow down there. I bet your eyes were so red in rage, that you couldn't fix your grammar, format your post, and didn't even want to preview it since you want to slap my in the face so badly. Your post is so broken I can't even quote it. I really don't feel like fixing the format for you... So, you accused me first huh? If you did, I'm so sorry. You're first, I lose, kk! Now down to business. I'm actually amazed that you are taking my accusations really seriously. I've said from time to time, if you're innocent, why would you give a shit? I would understand that you would need to voice up if you were on the verge of being lynched, but has anyone else jumped on the bandwagon and shout for your head? No. To be fair, I don't think anyone else besides me had even looked at you in this game. Thus far, besides not being here, for legitimate reasons or not I don't care, you haven't done much except for mainly responding to my shitty accusations like you said it. I don't know how thoroughly you are following the thread, and how thoroughly you have read my posts, but I did mention that all I'm doing at the beginning was to throw rocks into the lake. I might get nothing, I might get ripples, and I might get a tsunami. You're the tsunami. I've seen town aligned players get tunnel vision and only attack the people that accuse them. Hopefully your that player and not Mafia, getting desperate to counter everything thrown at him. With that being said, you accusing me is fine. If you have a point, people will listen, people will follow. Just don't focus everything on me, and only me, ignoring the lynch, ignoring whatever plan we have going, and just me. Most of the stuff you brought up has already been discussed. Whether to go through it in a calm manner or not, is your call. Regardless, with your reaction given, people would really start to wonder why and would be keeping an eye on you. | ||
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I just replied to your other post and it's 12:26 am now. I have to wake up at 6 every morning I skimmed through your other posts, and its good to see you are discussing something else, other than my accusations. Heading to bed now. | ||
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On January 13 2011 02:11 bumatlarge wrote: If you have never played with me, please make a point to post a long paragraph of your thoughts so far on the game, because I have a read on just about everyone I know, including the lurkers. I promise I will read it and respond, I just don't want any town players to lurk without good reason. As for people I know who think they are successfully lurking, I will find you. Again docs, I feel like I'm gonna get shot, so if I don't get protection, hopefully I can dissuade KP ;P The only person that surprised me was "Pigsquirrel". I honestly didn't even know he existed, lol. Just hit "All" and searched for his name, seems like he wasn't exactly inactive, or at all. I mean, compared to certain players, he is doing way better in terms of activity level. Maybe I'm just losing it. | ||
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Checked the thread a couple times on my phone. I thought if deconduo had shocked me, that would be the end of me. At least I'm still alive, for another round. I'll add more maybe during lunch. | ||
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On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ##vote layoffrage Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target. Even though I've said this a few times: On January 10 2011 10:12 Fishball wrote: Oh, like I mentioned before, if I'm town, there is a good chance BC is red. Surprisingly, BC posted a lot this morning... So deconduo admitted he is SK, and the Town is keeping him alive because he is on "our side". It is possible to use him for kills, and off him if he stops behaving... CubEdIn is being brought up for the lynch due to being a Traitor candidate, and some incoherent responses, although he did claim Doctor. (I doubt Ace will come out to clarify anything here) So are we trying to pin Mafia for this lynch, or are we going for the Traitor? I've already mentioned why we shouldn't focus on finding the Traitor a couple days ago, but with me being a candidate as well, my credibility is shot. Hopefully you guys can choose the best course of action. | ||
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On January 14 2011 06:48 aidnai wrote: Anyone else think BC is scum? I'd rather have deconduo use his shot on BC than cubed, to be honest. I really think cubed is a doctor, and most likely town since I can't think of why a scum/sk would want that role. BC on the other hand was awfully quiet for like three days, and now he jumps in to spam FOS's everywhere (so far kenpachi, cubed, and now LSB). If you've read my posts, you would have known I've brought up BC numerous times, literally since the beginning if that counts. As much as I'm keeping an eye on him, I do agree with some of the stuff he has said today and follows the logic. Regarding LSB, this is my comment I had towards his plan early in the game. On January 07 2011 14:59 Fishball wrote: Our alignment PM's have already been sent by Ace. So if you are still pushing for the plan, you are one or more of the following: - You are Mafia, wanting to fish information. - You are aiming for the Traitor role, feeding Mafia information to help your side to win. - You are butt-hurt after multiple players told you this wasn't a good plan, and your ego refuses to let yourself back down. - You are simply naive. To be honest, I think LSB is just butt-fook stubborn and naive, and honestly believes his plan would work if done "right". Regardless of the workability of his plan, it requires the vast majority of players to follow it. This is not a single player game where you can just control everything and tell everyone what to do. It just doesn't work that way. There are SK(s), there are players that want to be Traitor, there are Mafia. That's already good chunk of the player pool with different agendas. Anyways, to summarize what I'm trying to say, is that BC has been on my list since the beginning, and still is. However, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as I do agree with a lot of the stuff he has said about LSB. It moreso caught my eye when BC pointed out how LSB did not follow his own plan. | ||
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