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ok then i won't use undeniable proof from my life because it's true its not really verifiable... i guess...
i dont even know why im proving myself to you, i've obviously proven enough that kthez believes me and lsb and you are mad because you are about to lose after you were converted
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go back a few pages and they are everywhere. i'm going to sleep now because im exhausted and annoyed by you, hopefully tomorow you'll stop being fucking stubborn even after you lost and i'll end up having a nice day
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i'd also like to point out that your strongest argument about why lsb was real tracker is that there were no counter claims
i claimed literally 5 seconds after i saw the post where you fake claimed, doesnt that also prove that you were converted?
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On November 19 2010 12:45 Pandain wrote: I'm sorry KtheZ if I seem mean. I just want you to understand, and I believe you've already begun to.
We have no idea of proving whether me or glasse is lying. Again, it's not that inconceivable this happened. And don't let it just because its "less likely" mean its impossible, because then your ignoring analysis on each of us. Note I haven't even been analyzed(i wonder why).
analysis is the key to victory here. And I'm asking you to open your mind to at least the possibility that I'm really shrink, since we have no proof
analysis is not the key to victory, logical facts about events that happened in the game are the key to victory, and i've already proven that. you claim analysis is key because its the only way you can twist my words and make it seem like i'm mafia
now please end this game so i can sleep better.
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i posted that proof earlier and you dodged it, go back and read it and answer it, i'm tired of this shit, i just want to go sleep and you will make me have a terrible night because i'm mad right now and i never sleep well when i'm mad at a fucking liar
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On November 19 2010 12:50 Pandain wrote: You see KtheZ, glasse has to rely on speculation, on whether "well...this would be a simpler explanation" rather than the RIGHT explanation.
And why would he say analysis is not the key to victory. That is incrediablly scummy.... and he hasn't offered any more proof that I'm suppodely "confirmed mafia" , yet continues to purport that.
ok, there.
i'm flash, you were converted, because there are proofs from lsb
you're flash, i was somehow converted by a doctor on night 1
here are your amazing super duper facts that you are trying to twist to your side because i'm tired and you can easily see it and my arguments are getting worse as time go by
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On November 19 2010 12:52 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote: i posted that proof earlier and you dodged it, go back and read it and answer it, i'm tired of this shit, i just want to go sleep and you will make me have a terrible night because i'm mad right now and i never sleep well when i'm mad at a fucking liar I already decimated it. Here is where you failed to respond after. Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 12:15 Pandain wrote: Ace basically said to kitaman in insane mafia that his claim was false because his role of tracker was different from the normal role. your using the same logic as him, when he was mafia.
Different game, different rules. so again, kthez, why am i "confirmed mafia"
i dont even know what the fuck happened there, i don't want to dig through 2000 posts to find it. you were also mafia in that game
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On November 19 2010 12:54 Pandain wrote: Man I already frickin showed LSB was partly wrong. Stop continuing this campaign of misinformation and lies. and again, I'm flash, and you are an original mafia. stop twisting my words.
there is no possibility that i'm original mafia and i proved that
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On November 19 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 12:54 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 12:52 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote: i posted that proof earlier and you dodged it, go back and read it and answer it, i'm tired of this shit, i just want to go sleep and you will make me have a terrible night because i'm mad right now and i never sleep well when i'm mad at a fucking liar I already decimated it. Here is where you failed to respond after. On November 19 2010 12:15 Pandain wrote: Ace basically said to kitaman in insane mafia that his claim was false because his role of tracker was different from the normal role. your using the same logic as him, when he was mafia.
Different game, different rules. so again, kthez, why am i "confirmed mafia" i dont even know what the fuck happened there, i don't want to dig through 2000 posts to find it. you were also mafia in that game Irrelevant. And it just happened the previous page, go look at it. Heck, you've been reading this thread. That is not an acceptable answer.
i saw the post, i just dont understand how it links to me. it could also relate to you, you are trying to prove yourself with big fake analysis because you are mafia and it's the only thing you know how to fucking do, just like in previous games
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i'll just make 1 post before i go sleep. i am not going to repost every little thing that pointed at you that you dodged before picking on the very small twisted thing that could possibly point to me, but i will say this:
There are more chances that you were actually converted, as you kept saying shrink should not protect himself because lsb was more important, so if you were shrink you would have protected him, but you were medic and you tried to protect him and got converted
The only case where i am mafia is if i started as mafia, which i did not, because of multiple points i pointed out earlier, the most important one being that the 2 main yakuza were killed. Also your whole "bussing your teamate as mafia", coag did it to you right after you got caught by lsb to gain credibility
someone pm me when pandain decide to vote/game is over, i dont even want to answer all his made up things. Hopefully it'll end up town winning, i'm going to sleep
oh 1 more thing:
this is making me want to never play mafia again, because i'm bringing up good points and hes just dodging them all and try to focus on other shit, it feels like i've been arguing with a wall because it did not bring anything new, this is not fun at all when hes OBVIOUSLY wrong on multiple things, contradicts himself, i point it out, he dodges it and contradicts himself on something else one thing i know is that if i'm ever mafia in a game and pandain isnt, or if i have a kp, you can be sure as hell he's going to fucking die night 1 so he doesnt pollute another game i'm in.
i'm going to sleep, hopefully i'll calm down soon enough
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right now hes just trying to make you prove something he can't really prove without using the same logic i proven for a while. trying to make you change your mind with stuff that is not based on anything
ok i'm closing tl and going to sleep now
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alright i slept and i'm not annoyed to the point of killing someone anymore
is the day 24 or 48 hours today
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On November 19 2010 13:27 Pandain wrote: I don't understand why you think Glasse is more "townie" than me...
It's more symbolic than anything, you can always change. But the fact is no one is confirmed, and I'm begging you to be open. Can't you find it anywhere, don't you even think a tiny bit that what I say is true? Don't you have at least a sliver of doubt on glasse because of my analysis? Or the contradictions I've shown? Or his misleading statements?
or because you contradicted yourself a whole lot to make me look bad
or your misleading posts that twist my words your way
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On November 20 2010 04:41 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 21:07 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 13:27 Pandain wrote: I don't understand why you think Glasse is more "townie" than me...
It's more symbolic than anything, you can always change. But the fact is no one is confirmed, and I'm begging you to be open. Can't you find it anywhere, don't you even think a tiny bit that what I say is true? Don't you have at least a sliver of doubt on glasse because of my analysis? Or the contradictions I've shown? Or his misleading statements?
or because you contradicted yourself a whole lot to make me look bad or your misleading posts that twist my words your way Back up those statements. Anyway... time to prove my innocence. Please read this whole post Why it is more likely Glasse is mafia than me. Right now, the only thing glasse has to “prove” as a possible mafia is the fact that kenpachi tried to convert me. And now you KtheZ has been saying that “its more likely your just lying rather than that coag actually protected glasse”. But is it? Here you will see that it’s really not. Why is my story more likely than glasses? Because if you believe my story, everything fits. If you believe glasse, nothing does. actually if you listen to your own arguments about that scum guide you read, most of what you are doing is following that guideIf you believe glasse, than why would coag(who he claims has been my scum buddy) vote me SO QUICKLY after lsb tracked kenpachi. LSB said it right, coag would have waited if we were linked). But if you believe me, it makes perfect sense. Perfect opportunity to try to frame me as scum. you were trying to prove that i was mafia due to me voting for the 2 other dead mafias before, remember that?If you believe glasse, then why would he protect himself night one when he was in no real danger technically i was in more danger than the possibly fake detective, who was most likely to be protected to the eyes of mafia, which yourself, said previously.If you believe me, it makes perfect sense. I was doing what the town had already decided, that LSB was indeed confirmed and must be protected. yea, you did protect him as medic, and see what happened? someone else got shot, because mafia knew the doctor and me would probably protect him. Now if i look back in time i should probably have shrunk a vet instead of me, but at that time i just wanted to make sure i don't end up on mafiaIf you believe me, then it makes perfect sense why glasse voted coag. If you believe glasse, then why wouldn’t I have done the same. yea it makes sense, he was a confirmed mafia which we picked by having you fake claim, him lying about being doctor, kthez claiming bulletproof and other game events which lead to coag and you being the 2 mafia left, i don't really get the second part, it just sounds like you are trying to confuse usIf you believe me, it makes perfect sense why I stated that coag was mafia. If you believe glasse, it doesn’t. ?? explainIf you believe me, it makes perfect sense why coag acted so insincere when being voted by glasse, because it was planned. If you believe glasse, you are going even farther into speculation, that me and coag planned that, even though I later said coag was 100% mafia. he acted insincere? so him just right out posting hes mafia after hes obviously dead is not being sincere and somewhat stupid like he always play?
no, if you believe pandain you go farther into speculation actually. assuming that the red name wouldnt change, when it obviously would is one part of it. i made lists and proved em with actions that previously happenedIf you believe me, my night actions make perfect sense. If you believe glasse, they don’t. my night actions don't make sense? how so? i explained it countless times and it make sense. that is just being mad because i was right by thinking lsb wouldnt be hit and you wasted your doctor night actionIf you believe me, it makes pefect sense why glasse tried to lay suscipcion on doctor h while youngminii was deciding who to shoot. If you believe glasse, it makes no sense why he would do that and later say kenpachi shouldv’e been shot. If you believe me, it makes pefect sense he wasnt deciding who to shoot when i said that, was he? and of course i would be suspicious of drh, if you would ahve fucking read why i did which i explained tons of time but you keep "forgetting" it on purposeif you are believed about what?If you believe me, you are voting because or reason, because of informed decisions, because of analysis and because of the foundations of scum hunting, the same which led me to pin kenpachi. If you believe glasse, you are relying on one statement, one that I am proving doesn’t make me more likely mafia as he loves to claim, you are relying on flawed arguments and unverifiable justificatiosn. Furthormore, there is no proof that Glasse is actually shrink other than that he claimed. Let me say that again, there is no verification of his claim. But LSB tracked me night one, and saw that I visited him. Glasse now claims I must’ve been a converted doctor, but why would coag have claimed that? Think about it, coag claiming doctor(if he was already converted) makes perfect sense, he would know no other person had that. everythin fits together with my story i owned you on those points already yesterday night.Glasse says that the fact he voted for kenpachi proves he’s innocent. But what I’ve been saying, and he fails to counter, is the fact that that placed kenpachi in no real danger, that voting him simply could gain and not lose, so really that proves nothing. In fact, once you take the fact that Glasse says he wanted kenpachi to be shot, but the only thing he said was that Dr. H was probably hiding something(YM was going to shoot kenpachi/dr. h), everything fits together with my story:Glasse is mafia. see coag's instant vote on pandainIt is not unlikely at all that my story is true. I have verification of my role, while glasse’s claim of shrink is backed only by his word. you don't have proof, you have proof that you are either doctor or shrink, not that you are shrink, which i said more than once as wellSince there is no real way to confirm who is mafia, YOU MUST LOOK AT ANALYSIS. You must see that glasse DOES NOT want that to happen, he wants to just vote without letting debate happen(like he already did.) He has used unverifiable claims(I was afk) and bad reasoning(see above) and his defense boils down to: “Your scummy, but I won’t say why.” What has glasse proven about me? Nothing. dude the debate is happening, this is just trying to push him to do something he doesnt want to doHe has not analyzed me(wonder why) He has not responded after I decimated his response to my analysis. i didnt even see it, i'll go backNote that I always win the debates, and I firmly believe the truth always wins, because scum must resort to assumptions while I am backed by facts. my story fits, Glasse’s does not . rofl, i feel like i said something like that previously and you are trying to turn it back on me, how cuteEverything makes sense according to my story -Glasse votes coag because it was actually the best option -LSB tracked me to him because I protected him as shrink -Coag voted me so early because they wanted to get me lynched -I said coag was 100% mafia before he was suddenly killed because I am town. -Glasse said Dr. H was trying to hide something(later says kenpachi should’ve been shot, yet didn’t say anything then) -Glasse said LSB was not confirmed, and even to the previous day has been insuting he was possibly mafia. Glasse has been playing anti town from the start, proven by my analysis, from signs of feeling inherent guilt to suggesting doctor should RNG(probably got coag to too :/). Note how our debates always have ended with me winning, except for those 3 things I admit don’t PROVE he’s mafia 100%(he can’t respond to the other 10 of course.) But Glasse doesn’t admit anything, as if he doesn’t want to. Glasse still is saying I’m “confirmed” mafia, and spouting that nonsense for this whole day. And it took me forever just to prove he was bsing all that. Note that our debates always end with me finally slamming down the basic foundatiosn of his argument, and then he just says “I don’t want to argue…” ITS BECAUSE HE CANT. I hope this shows why I am the real shrink, how everything fits together if you belive me and things don’t if you believe him. Please, remember, no one is confirmed to be one alignment or another, analysis must and will come into play no matter how much he doesn’t want that to happen. herp derp bunch of shit i already denied
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oh also, your assumption is that i am original mafia and coag is doctor right?
coag said he protected lsb both times.
if he protected lsb both times i would have been dead if i converted coagulation
i feel like this is a nail in the coffin. i couldnt think at the end of the night yesterday because i was annoyed and tired, which you could easily see and tried to pressure me even more trying to make me post not completely mafia proof posts
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On November 19 2010 07:05 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2010 07:04 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 05:21 Pandain wrote:Why Glasse's claim of shrink does not fit(Also an Analysis of his posts)Summary: glasse has not played pro town this game. He has offered poor advice, has played scummily, made contradictions, and says to have performed actions which simply do not make sense. Dr. H was right when he pinned Glasse/kenpachi as the mafia team. I urge you to read this post, and not just skim it, as I bring up very good points here. His Posts:On November 12 2010 21:01 Glasse wrote: Sup, i'm finally unbanned (longest 2 days ever)
I feel like the doctor and the other thing that can protect shouldnt roleclaim. Not yet at least :3 So many bad things can happen :3 First post and it already bodes ill for him. Note his relunctance to roleclaim. Now, its obvious he feels that doctors/shrinks shouldn't roleclaim, because bad things can happen. Yet he claims he's shrink almost immediately after I reveal I'm shrink. That doesn't add up. Also note he calls shrink "that other thing." doesn't he know the role if he is it? Obviously i fucking instantly roleclaimed, i felt like the fact that everyone thought he was confirmed because no one counter claimed would of worked my way, i instantly posted when i saw your comment because i was excited we confirmed a mafia member. Also, an easy way to make people think i'm not flash is to not even know how to call it So then 1.Why would you thought another person wouldn't have claimed when LSB did(thus confirming him 2.But here you said they shouldn't, you at the very least showed strong relunctance to roleclaim. But merely one minute later you roleclaim, showing no hesitation. one minute later? more like 2 game days later. things change with time you know? it was good for me to claim when i did because then i could prove you are 100% the last mafiaOn November 13 2010 00:42 Glasse wrote: wait so if i get this right, mafia gets a free kp on night 1 and basically the medic/shrink/whatever will have to randomly guess who to protect?
did i get that wrong? sounds kinda silly Clarifies rules. On November 13 2010 05:48 Glasse wrote: what if that's what he want to he can convert, not die and then mafia has 3 ppl after night 1. :3
typing with this new keyboard feels so awesome
happy cat is happy look at him!
:3 First post against LSB(who has been revealed Town tracker.) Says that he could just be really a mafia who fake claimed tracker(despite the fact if the real tracker claimed that plan would be ruined.) So this statement is very leaning towards anti town, especially since LSB has already said he's confirmed because no other tracker has claimed. Ends with spam. So you are avoiding my whole argument i did with you a couple pages ago to point this out AGAIN because it can help you in a way. No, he was not 100% confirmed and i explained why before. If the real detective didnt want to claim yet incase he would die and/or cause chaos to town I'm not avoiding your argument. I'm pointint out inconsitincies. Like here you disagree with the previous post. In the case where you were a real shrink, why would you immediately claim if you caught a fake claim(hypothetical me), yet think that this person wouldn't? And why would it matter if he dies if he caught a mafia i've been pointing out inconsistencies. And like i just answered to the last part, 2 game days = different plays are good. it would matter if he died because a detective day 2 and 3 can still be really helpful and he has even more chances of finding something goodOn November 13 2010 05:55 Glasse wrote:On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
5. Glasse Posting quality and town contribution fluctuates based on his roles he receives if hes got a role hes not happy with hes pretty bad if hes got a decent role he contributes alot
i played 2 games total you can't really base yourself on that Later says its obvious he always role claims fast, which contradicts as mentioned previously and with this statement. i like how you only remember things that helps you try to down me lol. the way i post and myself roleclaiming fast don't really mean the same thing, Also i wanted to be jaedong, fuck flash :3 of course i do, because then I can find mafia. that's like the worst answer in history of bad answers, also remember that irl, when a killer remembers exactly everything he did on a given night where he is suspected, he is always a lot more suspicious than the guy that forget stuff because it feels planned, just like you right nowOn November 13 2010 11:56 Glasse wrote: i feel like this is going nowhere right now :3
we need to do stuff if we wanna stop them from convincing everyone to touch childrens inapropriately And this doesn't help :/ On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote: i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3 doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well VERY ANTI TOWN. First, as already noted, shrink had to have protected LSB because he was confirmed, and tracker. Note that Glasse's claimed reason for not protecting LSB was that "he was not confirmed." Going further, why would Glasse protect himself? Did he really think he was in danger of being MCed? Furthormore, he now claims this proves he DID protect himself night one. However, all it really proves is that he has been anti town in his "shrink" actions. So that doesn't even add up. In addition having the doctor rng was a very bad idea. Mafia, as long as their not dumb, will never rng. Kills always have a purpose. Even worse, having the doctor RNG was even worse(doesn't protect LSB[wtf], can protect mafia, doesn't use noggin). bringing this up again, jesus fucking christ, i explained it earlier in my answers. he was not 100% confirmed, i was not necessarily in danger of getting mc'd i just thought it'd be a better choice to keep myself as town instead of another random person that could have ended up being mafia as well. Also you really like to press on that "rng is dumb for doctor" because you really thought about it AS YOU WERE THE DOCTOR AT THAT POINT and disagree with me on that point\ Same point as above. But again, why would you be in danger of being Mced? And if you protected a mafia, nothing bad would happen. And you weren't going to die(unless mafia were extra weird for some reason), so why would you protect yourself? I don't have to be doctor to now that a doctor rnging his protection is pretty anti town. i answered this tons of times, not doing it again because you "forget"On November 15 2010 01:15 Glasse wrote:i wonder if mafia will try to hit the more experienced ppl or maybe we should lynch the most experienced ppl because they can manipulate easier Says to lynch the expierenced people.... yea, the reason why i said it is true, i wouldnt want to lynch you early because your abilities to analyse suck I caught kenpachi...caught you On November 15 2010 10:18 Glasse wrote: can you really vote for no one? also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote says he is against not voting. of course, 2 kills per mafia a night is fucking dangerous, i'd rather take a chance and maybe catch one. and if you look, i voted kenpachi which ended up being an actual mafia This wasn't accusing you actually lol. This was actually something pro town that you did! randomly voting for lurker like i do every game isnt pro town, you are saying it is because right now it makes you look betterOn November 15 2010 21:05 Glasse wrote:On November 15 2010 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote:I knew I would regret it. Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy But again, who else do you think is a good lynch? well you look like scum to me coagulation is our worst player i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember On November 15 2010 12:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: glasse wasn't even in kingmaker so it was in this game what? where? Also coag, you're asking for it.. i was planning on being quiet but helpful, now i must unleash the derp. Also, going to vote for a lurker ##Vote: Kenpachi Can we get an official vote count? Goes against previous statement, votes for Kenpachi. Now, this may seem very "pro town" at first, seeing as kenpachi later turned out to be scum. But let's go in detail about this vote, and why in reality it put kenpachi in no danger. At that time, that was the very first vote for kenpachi. THE VERY FIRST VOTE. The votes to lynch no one was ahead by two votes, and doctor h had two votes. I was the only one who had to vote. Mafia go against other mafia all the time to lend town cred for later stages of the game. Ace did it hardcore against me in insane mafia, as well as RoL. Rather than take the actions at face value, what you have to do is go beyond and see what they really meant. As in, did they have any true effect? This vote, at that time, did not. It was merely giving him "brownie points" when really kenpachi was in no real danger. Now, glasse never posted after this vote. I think it's a safe assumption to assume he did not come back until at least after I voted for kenpachi(which it was still safe for kenpachi.) Kenpachi was never in any real danger, therefore glasse's vote for him does not confirm him. wait how the fuck am i going against my previous statement, i was AGAINST voting for no one. Also 21h KST is around when i usually leave for college i think, so thats why i came back later
maybe he wasnt in real danger, that's true, but he could have been as i left after i voted and it could have ended badly My bad, I concede. Still, that really wasn't a main point. Now respond to the other 10 contradictions. Now your appealing to speculation, "well...maybe..." is common argument for scum when their lying. On November 16 2010 10:10 Glasse wrote:On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Yea, because obviously me trying to get him lynched hes my teamate On November 16 2010 07:27 LSB wrote: Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive. i can start spamming instead of posting constructive comments every once in a while if you want, i thought people were mad at my super cat powers in insane mafia... i just don't feel like letting everyone know my thoughts on EVERYTHING all the time... if it bothers you so much i'll do it Already adressed as glasse hardly tried to get kenpachi lynched. Says he doesn't want people to know what he's thinking(what). i thought what drh said in insane mafia was true, telling everything you know to everyone can often harm the town more than it can help But not at all? wat? he explained it very well at the begining of this game and i thought it made senseOn November 16 2010 10:14 Glasse wrote: i just dont have anything important to say :3
SORRY! Apologizing for not contributing. Again, note that this is how I caught kenpachi(in addition to other things.) This just reeks of inherent guilt, apologizing for not contributing. yea, i felt bad for not helping the town, if you really thought what you just said is true you would have said it earlier, not now where you desperatly need to prove i'm mafia to get your mafia win. I WONT FUCKING LET YOU WIN TWICE IN A ROW and if i was mafia you could be 100% sure i would have fucking killed you night 1 because i hate you Again, if you felt bad why didn't you help? And what are you talking about, this is the first time I'm really analyzing you, and trust me, town is gonna win this one. yea we are about to win right now, thanks to your useless pressure you are trying to put on us to force us to believe you arent mafia. also i suck at helping when i cant easily back myself up with proven stuff like i am doing right nowOn November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote:On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote: What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. Now, this does mean something. What's happening right now? YM is dead, and he was going to either (in most liklihood) shoot kenpachi or Dr. H. Now, glasse finally comes in, and puts suscipcion on dr. h. So this actually DOES mean something. Also note dr. h was town. yea, i dont remember drh posting posts as big as this one before to prove a point that could have been proven in a much shorter way, i thought he was trying to hide something, which i also explained later Because by posting alot, your hiding something. I see. *sacrcasm* posting a lot =/= posting a huge fucking 30 page long essay. but then if you go by your logic, you are posting quite a whole lot right now, which i'm just answeringOn November 16 2010 23:07 Glasse wrote: honestly i would've hit kenpachi :3
this sucks Alright, wtf. why didn't you say this before. Now, I now previously you were responding to how you felt about me vs dr. h, but seriously this kind of stuff is important. Also note this is AFTER Dr. H was already shot, so he can say whatever he says he "felt" really :/. what i said about drh wasnt a fucking accusation, it was a suspicion, my vote was still on kenpachi because he was lurking way 2 much Of course, why would you outright accuse him. You can be scum and lay suscipcion on someone without actually accusing them. Stop taking my points, and taking them to the extreme so their not true. And btw this was after YM was already lynched, so kenpachi vote didn't matter i answered why i thought drh could have been red countless times now, stop "forgetting" itOn November 17 2010 23:41 Glasse wrote: wait kenpachi commited suicide but artanis isnt red now?
YES someone got protected by flash! Yes, and it wasn't you. Note that this really just shows he's not flash, that that was just a spur of the moment decision to combat my claim as flash. Note that how would this work since he claims he protected LSB night two. Doesn't add up. nope, no one was protected by flash, as it was also explained to me later, lsb found out that you were visited. i thought kenpachi had suicided on lsb at first, so i was really fucking happy. There's no way to prove whether or not this is true so I'll leave it at that. okOn November 18 2010 04:34 Glasse wrote: we cant leave pandain alive, he could just sacrifice himself then we lose track of everything. Again, if he's flash couldn't he protect from the "evil pandain?" Also note he hasn't voted for me either, so he's saying and not doing. herp derp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i don't have 100% chance to pick the same target as mafia with my shrink Again, taking it to the extreme. If you were telling the truth, why not just have LSB track me, and if I was mafia, you could see who i Mced. you got converted night 2, he didnt live night 3 so he couldnt track you. also converted mafia cant convertOn November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote: ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia Claims he's flash. On November 18 2010 06:20 Glasse wrote: i protected myself night 1 and lsb night 2. Now let's analyze these choices. Now, obviously protecting himself night one for the reasons he did was very anti town. And why would he protect LSB if he was still unsure of his alignment? In addition, why would he protect himself night one. 1.Did he really think mafia would try to sacrifice one of their own to get him?(you might be pretty decent but your not incognito or something) 2.Did he really think HE was more likely to get Mced than LSB, or even Artanis/Dr. H?(or i, but I'm not as amazing) These choices just don't fit. night 1 wasnt anti town, i explained it many times i realize stuff while im typing a post and i realized lsb still wasnt 100% and i had protected him, which could've been bad oh and about night 2, i really thought about shrinking artanis instead of lsb, because they are both good and i ended up picking lsb It was anti town. Respond to the core argument, you were in no danger, so why would you protect yourself. And now you admit your second protection was bad(even though it was actually good since LSB WAS confirmed, see earlier. The last sentence is irrelevant. nope, it was not anti town at all, i also answered this many times, which you conveniently "forgot"On November 18 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote:On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote: ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl.
kthez or coag are mafia And we caught the second mafia. yea, kthez or coag maybe even lsb... his claim could be fake :3 crap This doesn't fit either. So he isn't sure of LSB's alignment even now(yet protected him the previous night), and thinks he found a mafia(me) because of what LSB(who he doesn't know is confirmed) says? Sorry if that's worded weird. But furthormore, LSB is obviously confirmed. o hai i just answered this, sometimes i realize stuff while im posting, or right after a bit after i also realized there was no way he wasnt detective Respond above. yep, i sure didOn November 18 2010 06:23 Glasse wrote: facepalm, please dont believe him :3
who cares if i went against the town consensus, i thought i should protect myself until i know more and not chance having mafia get 3 because their sacrifice didnt actually die Thus begins his great "proof" of being shrink, that you guys shouldn't believe me. The second sentence, read it. "Who cares if I went against the town consensus". That is a VERY mafia-esque statement. going furthor, here he reveals he didn't protect LSB because he didn't think LSB was town(at the very least not neccesarily). On November 18 2010 08:42 Glasse wrote:On November 18 2010 06:30 LSB wrote: -maintains radio silence- Keep a clean thread for the final day please (I tracked Pandain) (did he leave his house?) Why would you have to ask this if your the real shrink? If you were real(and thus I fake), you would already know. because if you didnt leave your house, you were bulletproof (which kthez is) and if you did leave, you were doctor (and you are), at that point i was making my list that i posted shortly after Would it matter if I was mafia? if you left your house because you were mafia, kthez has to be doctor and not bulletproof, which doesnt make sense
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alright i'm out for a bit, lets see how many things you dodge when i get back.
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On November 20 2010 07:34 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 04:41 Pandain wrote:On November 19 2010 21:07 Glasse wrote:On November 19 2010 13:27 Pandain wrote: I don't understand why you think Glasse is more "townie" than me...
It's more symbolic than anything, you can always change. But the fact is no one is confirmed, and I'm begging you to be open. Can't you find it anywhere, don't you even think a tiny bit that what I say is true? Don't you have at least a sliver of doubt on glasse because of my analysis? Or the contradictions I've shown? Or his misleading statements?
or because you contradicted yourself a whole lot to make me look bad or your misleading posts that twist my words your way Back up those statements. Anyway... time to prove my innocence. Please read this whole post Why it is more likely Glasse is mafia than me. Right now, the only thing glasse has to “prove” as a possible mafia is the fact that kenpachi tried to convert me. And now you KtheZ has been saying that “its more likely your just lying rather than that coag actually protected glasse”. But is it? Here you will see that it’s really not. Why is my story more likely than glasses? Because if you believe my story, everything fits. If you believe glasse, nothing does. actually if you listen to your own arguments about that scum guide you read, most of what you are doing is following that guide way to say nothing If you believe glasse, than why would coag(who he claims has been my scum buddy) vote me SO QUICKLY after lsb tracked kenpachi. LSB said it right, coag would have waited if we were linked). But if you believe me, it makes perfect sense. Perfect opportunity to try to frame me as scum. you were trying to prove that i was mafia due to me voting for the 2 other dead mafias before, remember that? I'm showing it doesn't make you innocent, in fact it might make sense. Don't twist my words If you believe glasse, then why would he protect himself night one when he was in no real danger technically i was in more danger than the possibly fake detective, who was most likely to be protected to the eyes of mafia, which yourself, said previously. Again, there was no chance he was fake. Furthormore, of course you wouldn't. Why would they try to convert you , not dr. h, not lsb, not even me. why would they convert you. If you believe me, it makes perfect sense. I was doing what the town had already decided, that LSB was indeed confirmed and must be protected. yea, you did protect him as medic, and see what happened? someone else got shot, because mafia knew the doctor and me would probably protect him. Now if i look back in time i should probably have shrunk a vet instead of me, but at that time i just wanted to make sure i don't end up on mafia Again, it makes sense if coag was detective. And again, why would they try to hit you. You're not doing what a real shrink would do. If you believe me, then it makes perfect sense why glasse voted coag. If you believe glasse, then why wouldn’t I have done the same. yea it makes sense, he was a confirmed mafia which we picked by having you fake claim, him lying about being doctor, kthez claiming bulletproof and other game events which lead to coag and you being the 2 mafia left, i don't really get the second part, it just sounds like you are trying to confuse us Or it makes sense because then you can get to late game and tout that your confirmed when your not, and then get me lynched If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why I stated that coag was mafia. If you believe glasse, it doesn’t. ?? explain I said coag was mafia, before he got killed. I said he was CERTAINLY mafia. If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why coag acted so insincere when being voted by glasse, because it was planned. If you believe glasse, you are going even farther into speculation, that me and coag planned that, even though I later said coag was 100% mafia. he acted insincere? so him just right out posting hes mafia after hes obviously dead is not being sincere and somewhat stupid like he always play?
no, if you believe pandain you go farther into speculation actually. assuming that the red name wouldnt change, when it obviously would is one part of it. i made lists and proved em with actions that previously happened that was probably sincere because i could see him doing that. Why would we have him come out and claim mafia if we were scum buddies? Furthormore, its in the rules. If you believe me, my night actions make perfect sense. If you believe glasse, they don’t. my night actions don't make sense? how so? i explained it countless times and it make sense. that is just being mad because i was right by thinking lsb wouldnt be hit and you wasted your doctor night action Again, you were in no danger to get shot. Why would you have protected yourself? WHY. And you kept claiming that LSB was possibly mafia, when it was obvious he was not. If you believe me, it makes pefect sense why glasse tried to lay suscipcion on doctor h while youngminii was deciding who to shoot. If you believe glasse, it makes no sense why he would do that and later say kenpachi shouldv’e been shot. If you believe me, it makes pefect sense he wasnt deciding who to shoot when i said that, was he? and of course i would be suspicious of drh, if you would ahve fucking read why i did which i explained tons of time but you keep "forgetting" it on purposeif you are believed about what? Of course he was deciding. Caught in a lie here. And I'm not forgetting anything. Isn't it convienant you happen to not accuse kenpachi, but lay suscipcion on dr. h during this critical time, but you had seemed to oppose kenpachi beforehands? If you believe me, you are voting because or reason, because of informed decisions, because of analysis and because of the foundations of scum hunting, the same which led me to pin kenpachi. If you believe glasse, you are relying on one statement, one that I am proving doesn’t make me more likely mafia as he loves to claim, you are relying on flawed arguments and unverifiable justificatiosn. Furthormore, there is no proof that Glasse is actually shrink other than that he claimed. Let me say that again, there is no verification of his claim. But LSB tracked me night one, and saw that I visited him. Glasse now claims I must’ve been a converted doctor, but why would coag have claimed that? Think about it, coag claiming doctor(if he was already converted) makes perfect sense, he would know no other person had that. everythin fits together with my story i owned you on those points already yesterday night. Lol... you may want to read it again. It ended when I demolished the foundation of your "proof" that I'm scum: that mafia can both mc. Glasse says that the fact he voted for kenpachi proves he’s innocent. But what I’ve been saying, and he fails to counter, is the fact that that placed kenpachi in no real danger, that voting him simply could gain and not lose, so really that proves nothing. In fact, once you take the fact that Glasse says he wanted kenpachi to be shot, but the only thing he said was that Dr. H was probably hiding something(YM was going to shoot kenpachi/dr. h), everything fits together with my story:Glasse is mafia. see coag's instant vote on pandain exactly. Why would he do that. It is not unlikely at all that my story is true. I have verification of my role, while glasse’s claim of shrink is backed only by his word. you don't have proof, you have proof that you are either doctor or shrink, not that you are shrink, which i said more than once as well More than you have, no? You see, what you don't want KtheZ to realize is that I have more proof that I'm actually the real shrink than you, who has just your word. Since there is no real way to confirm who is mafia, YOU MUST LOOK AT ANALYSIS. You must see that glasse DOES NOT want that to happen, he wants to just vote without letting debate happen(like he already did.) He has used unverifiable claims(I was afk) and bad reasoning(see above) and his defense boils down to: “Your scummy, but I won’t say why.” What has glasse proven about me? Nothing. dude the debate is happening, this is just trying to push him to do something he doesnt want to do What He has not analyzed me(wonder why) He has not responded after I decimated his response to my analysis. i didnt even see it, i'll go back sure Note that I always win the debates, and I firmly believe the truth always wins, because scum must resort to assumptions while I am backed by facts. my story fits, Glasse’s does not . rofl, i feel like i said something like that previously and you are trying to turn it back on me, how cute I have been winning the debate, you always end with "I don't want to debate" or "Screw you". Everything makes sense according to my story -Glasse votes coag because it was actually the best option -LSB tracked me to him because I protected him as shrink -Coag voted me so early because they wanted to get me lynched -I said coag was 100% mafia before he was suddenly killed because I am town. -Glasse said Dr. H was trying to hide something(later says kenpachi should’ve been shot, yet didn’t say anything then) -Glasse said LSB was not confirmed, and even to the previous day has been insuting he was possibly mafia. Glasse has been playing anti town from the start, proven by my analysis, from signs of feeling inherent guilt to suggesting doctor should RNG(probably got coag to too :/). Note how our debates always have ended with me winning, except for those 3 things I admit don’t PROVE he’s mafia 100%(he can’t respond to the other 10 of course.) But Glasse doesn’t admit anything, as if he doesn’t want to. Glasse still is saying I’m “confirmed” mafia, and spouting that nonsense for this whole day. And it took me forever just to prove he was bsing all that. Note that our debates always end with me finally slamming down the basic foundatiosn of his argument, and then he just says “I don’t want to argue…” ITS BECAUSE HE CANT. I hope this shows why I am the real shrink, how everything fits together if you belive me and things don’t if you believe him. Please, remember, no one is confirmed to be one alignment or another, analysis must and will come into play no matter how much he doesn’t want that to happen. herp derp bunch of shit i already denied Denied, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 06:33 Glasse wrote: oh also, your assumption is that i am original mafia and coag is doctor right?
coag said he protected lsb both times.
if he protected lsb both times i would have been dead if i converted coagulation
i feel like this is a nail in the coffin. i couldnt think at the end of the night yesterday because i was annoyed and tired, which you could easily see and tried to pressure me even more trying to make me post not completely mafia proof posts Stop trying to make situations that aren't there. Coag was mafia, mafia lies. If he had said he protected you, you would've been revealed.
you are making situations that aren't there, he didnt protect me because he protected lsb, or so he claim, if you deny him being doctor it means you agree that you are mafia. and if you agree you agree that you are mafia as well, i finally trapped you and you won't be able to get out of this one, because i have facts on my side and you have lies and assumptions on your side.
You are also implying that the fact that, if me and coag were mafia, we planned that we would have this exact crazy argument about 30 layers deep into the game event arguments??
are you on crack?
taking my girlfriend out for dinner, bbl, also stop harassing him, harassing and pressuring that much is very VERY scummy, just a tip for you, next time you are mafia.
inb4 "answer my answers of your answers that you answered etc" i dont have time right now ill do it later
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On November 20 2010 08:32 Pandain wrote: he is doctor and mafia, what are you talking about.
Your arugments are devolving even more, but keep trying. Maybe you'll beat your "I WIN IF I LOSE" argument. and of course not this argument, that woudl be cwazy. And I'm not harrasing him, I'm trying to convince him I'm legit. You saying "Just stop" isn't exactly helping him make an informed decision btw.
Have fun with your girlfriend, but again, you just delaying answering my arguments hurts your side.
well first of all mafia can't be doctor, unless converted, then that would mean he lied when he claimed protecting lsb (which he did, as he isnt even doctor, note: death note from day post)
Second thing is that pressuring him so much doesnt help him make an informed decision either, hes a grown man, he can think for himself.
Also my girlfriend made me realize something. We got on the topic of this mafia game in the car while going to the restaurant because she was wondering why i looked so annoyed last night.
heres how it went : me: i need to keep proving im the nice guy here because the bad guy is trying to convince my teamate(who doesnt know hes my teamate) to vote against me. She answered : who is he believing right now? I said the guy that died before and me, she said : don't mind the bad guy then, if your teamate wants some clarification on some points he will just ask, you are playing in your opponent's hands right now.
i thought it was sooooo right.
So until kthez asks for clarifications on anything i will stop feeding you ways to lie and "forget" important stuff and try to make me look like a mafia. Make sure to speak up if there is anything kthez
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On November 20 2010 10:04 Pandain wrote:So you refuse to debate anymore? I wonder why....(hint: It wasn't because he was winning). In response to that, he was converted. Listen, I'm not just going to let you twist the truth into stuff I haven't said. He was converted, and he lied about protecting you that night(would incriminate you.) And are you really going to refuse me the right to prove myself innocent? (i wonder why) And nice bringing up stories to make yourself sympathetic. Hey, I cried last night because glasse is mafia and hatin' on me. EMOTIONS MAKE ME REALISTIC!!!!!!!!!! + Show Spoiler +(why were you talking about mafia anyway)
1, i was actually winning.
2. you push him yet again, also lie about me twisting the truth which is what you have been doing for a while.
3. i was annoyed for realz last night, i would've choked you if you were in front of me.
4. i said in my post why we were talking about mafia
why am i posting this, i just said i wouldnt answer to you anymore, oh well its already all written up, why erase it
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