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On October 13 2010 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:05 meeple wrote:On October 13 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote: @host: If, supposedly, there is a red herring, would it show up as a clue anyway?
As far as I know... there will be no deliberate red herrings... although people should keep in mind that the clues are meant to be vague enough to ensure different interpretations There may or may not be deliberately misleading information in day posts. The mad scientist is the only role able to confirm whether or not a section of the day post contains a legitimate clue or not.
I want everyone who voted Veldril to change their vote ASAP unless they pm me a reason, or state so in thread. I'd prefer Masq do to. We got this. However, stay on until the end would be preffered in the unlikely case we don't have enough time
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On October 13 2010 08:19 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:11 Pandain wrote:On October 13 2010 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 13 2010 08:05 meeple wrote:On October 13 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote: @host: If, supposedly, there is a red herring, would it show up as a clue anyway?
As far as I know... there will be no deliberate red herrings... although people should keep in mind that the clues are meant to be vague enough to ensure different interpretations There may or may not be deliberately misleading information in day posts. The mad scientist is the only role able to confirm whether or not a section of the day post contains a legitimate clue or not. I want everyone who voted Veldril to change their vote ASAP unless they pm me a reason, or state so in thread. I'd prefer Masq do to. We got this. However, stay on until the end would be preffered in the unlikely case we don't have enough time why-should-we-trust-you? you are in almost "everysingle" inspecting list that people listed out.... ~_~ also, the post that i mead earlier about 30 reapers and 1 ghost, please treat it as a joke instead of a role claim post. I did put some thought b4 i post that one ^^
that argument can be used for everything. Tell me a reason why or stay silent.
Remember: I spam when I want things done.
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On October 13 2010 08:58 youngminii wrote:Why Veldril must die. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 00:56 youngminii wrote: Your argument consists of the following:
"People already think I'm mafia so no matter what I say/argue, people will think I'm saying that because I'm mafia".
We are not idiots, there are people here that have been playing mafia for years. If you actually posted something of value as your defense, we may be swayed in our decision to lynch you. Instead, you act like you've already given up and that you have no defense.
I'm sure everyone has a friend that never apologizes and instead says "well what do you want me to do, I can't do anything about it" instead of a simple "sorry". This is what you are doing and as such, I want everyone to vote for and lynch you. If you aren't scum then at least we've made an example of you as WHAT NOT TO DO. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2010 08:32 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:03 bumatlarge wrote: RE-READ THREAD: MASQ SHOULD BE LYNCHED
I must have misread somewhere on the veldril and masq debate, but going back, masq is the obvious lynch here. 1. He has clues pointing to him that seem a little obvious, but they are clear clues regarding something. 2. Veldril defended him, so we may have a lead if masq pops scum. 3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction
Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. What if he isn't scum? Then we have absolutely no lead to go from. We'll be put off from voting Veldril and the vote lists mean squat. I don't want to rely on clues (might be because of my lack of experience in clue based games), I'd rather play this out from behaviour. Veldril is much more obvious than Masq in behaviour. Veldril defended him yet Masq voted for Veldril. What does this mean? I don't want to think about it. Call me naive but I really don't think Masq is scum. I mean if I was new to this game and I had such an important role, I'd be defending myself (using crap arguments since I'm new) to death. Masq is not doing this. On the other hand, Veldril is. (refer to my earlier post) I implore you to change your vote to Veldril, I don't care what these 'clues' say, if they're as obvious as the jack-o-lantern thing then all the other clues would be just as obvious. I'm pretty sure DoctorHelvetica isn't stupid enough to make one clue blindingly obvious and all the others vague as hell. And yes, I am defending Masq and accusing Veldril.
so your argument is: Masq is not defending himself, therefore he is not scum. Veldril is, therefore he is scum. Please clarify this for me.
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On October 13 2010 09:07 annul wrote: masq is scum
veldril is scum
the entire debate is whether it is smarter to vote veldril or masq tonight. who is more dangerous to keep alive.
most who view it like this will say veldril.
This is a horrible way of looking at it. Let's see whats wrong with this. 1.You assume both are scum. Whats wrong: How is this certain? Or one could argue, likely. Just because Masq got defended by Veldril does not mean they are on the same team. It may lend credence to that, but the point remains certain we do not know which team: town or scum. If you think both are scum it doesn't matter, that's not the point. The point is that we don't know the alignments of EITHER of them for certain. 2. "The entire debate is whether it is smarter to vote veldril or masq tonight.. who is more dangerous to keep alive. Most people who view it like this will say Veldril Whats wrong: First of all, it would be worse to vote Veldril because from voting Masq we gleam vital info on Veldril, while the vise versa does not(aka, we will not gain that much info from lynching Veldril.) And as for smarter, why, wouldn't the clue for Masq be more obvious and evident than the clue for Veldril, and that clue can honestly apply for many people. The contrary does not hold up towards Masq, that clue can really only point towards him. As for voting who is more dangerous, thats a stupid reason. We could always vote Ver because he's never lost a game(I think), but then we could lose a very helpful pro town person. Who's to say whos dangerous, how do you decide that. Usually that indicates a higher skill, but then thats worse for town if they're pro town and lynched.
Please, people, think logically.
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On October 13 2010 09:26 annul wrote: you are not going to fix blatant lies? grats, well done, your input is worthless.
and pandain: masq is scum because of the clue on night 0. how this is even a point of contention is beyond me. veldril is scum due to his actions in this thread all game. in fact, veldril himself is BLATANTLY referred to by the night 0 clue. the fate stay night quote, "unlimited blade works" is, to me, just as obvious as masq's pear jack o lantern night 0 clue. .
On October 13 2010 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:05 meeple wrote:On October 13 2010 07:43 Pandain wrote: @host: If, supposedly, there is a red herring, would it show up as a clue anyway?
As far as I know... there will be no deliberate red herrings... although people should keep in mind that the clues are meant to be vague enough to ensure different interpretations There may or may not be deliberately misleading information in day posts. The mad scientist is the only role able to confirm whether or not a section of the day post contains a legitimate clue or not.
Also note that the blades clue can be taken towards many people, even kingjames for his signature(something like "I walk on unlimited swords" or something
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On October 13 2010 09:30 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 09:26 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 09:18 orgolove wrote:Oh, and I did fix anything people pointed out. Doesn't mean I'm going to remove things just because someone doesn't like it though i agree that you have your right but a few "wordings" would lead to miss understand later on. I think you should keep the information but fix the word "defending". I dont use that spreadsheet of yours so i personally dont care... Just wana say that the guy got his point. People... please noticed how many times pandain is trying to avoid to explain himself..... Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 09:27 bumatlarge wrote:I thought my Veldril -> Masq post was important Veldril defended masq, and masq didn't associate with him. Veldril could be scum protecting himself or legitimate towny with opinions, or Masq is innocent thats all well, or hes scum and it's a much greater chance that veldril is on his team. But unless a glaringly obvious lynch comes forward, but between veldril and masq, could dissect which sides we are dealing with. But at a certain point, it does become advantageous for a scum team with >4 players to start town killing... Please go over the win conditions people and realize what we are supposed to be doing here. They are far from ordinary win conditions. I fixed both. And you're right, Pandein, just like Bill Murray, continues to avoid answering questions about their true allegiances.
What the fadoodle are you talking about. I've asked many times what I'm being accused of, and the best I've gotten is "your an endangered species"(<3 quickstriker)
And you've been on my scum list for a lil' bit now, orgo. Originally I thought you were very pro town with that spreadsheet but it has many errors, and has a noticable bias in it. Albeit if you're really looking to help, is there a way to send me that list, but without all your info? Only the names and clues and stuff.
Also, related to masq and vendril. Defending someone is much more revealing than the person whos getting defended.
Aka, mafia could defend me, but I could be town and they're just trying to get pro town points. Or they could be accusing me for their own game. They could do either.
However, a person who is GETTING defended is more revealing. If they are mafia, we know mafia wouldn't just continue the brigade on that(most likely, especially if they are a top contender) If they are town, then people who accused them should be looked at with suscipion and people who defended them(thus helping stop bandwagon) are good.
Ci? Yum yum
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On October 13 2010 09:38 youngminii wrote: If anyone ever PMs you a counter argument to one of your arguments in the thread, ignore it, tell the person to post it in the thread and if they don't do it, quote it in the thread yourself.
Do not ever let someone take a public discussion/argument and turn it into a private one.
Business Socks(BS). It helps stop Spam. You can post a question raised up into the thread, but this just gives cover for mafia to ignore pms and tell them to post in thread, when someone may be asking you something personally.
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Please don't post pms, sometimes people PM for a reason. Sometimes people don't want other people to see things.
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Whether or not he is a smurf is irrelevant....
let's stick to the matter at hand, no?
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On October 13 2010 11:29 Bill Murray wrote: I need to start a town circle I have decided this I am willing to accept any roleclaims I have to step up to coordinate the town, since noone else will
No one do this.
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On October 13 2010 11:30 Bill Murray wrote: shut the fuck up let them decide on their own we need a town circle
Sure, a town circle that's going to be heavily inflitrated? Great. You have no way of verifying anything, and the town circle will be useless. All that might happen is Mafia/vamps are able to inflitrate it, mislead all the blues, and chaos ensues.
Its only day 1 for panda's sake. Not even night yet.
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On October 13 2010 11:32 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 11:31 Pandain wrote:On October 13 2010 11:30 Bill Murray wrote: shut the fuck up let them decide on their own we need a town circle Sure, a town circle that's going to be heavily inflitrated? Great. You have no way of verifying anything, and the town circle will be useless. All that might happen is Mafia/vamps are able to inflitrate it, mislead all the blues, and chaos ensues. Its only day 1 for panda's sake. Not even night yet. no that's what you tried to do when you tried to get hatters to claim to you how is it any fucking different you damn hypocrite
its different because I didn't ask hatters to claim to me. I asked vets too, because no matter what my role is it would only really help the town. A bomber claimed to me.
Also, I didn't ask the DTs or medics or vigi or anything else to. I asked the vets in specific. You want to set up a whole open town circle, that everyone will know about. You know it will be inflitrated, and theres no way of you revealing who it is without sacrificing all the blues.
Leave it until another day.
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On October 13 2010 11:35 Bill Murray wrote: we only have an hour and a half before night we need to coordinate we need to start a town circle we need a leader, and that leader is me we need me to step up to the plate, but you all have to let me do this
Its day 1, we don't need a mafia telling all of our blues what to do day 1, especially if its somebody I heavily suspect as scum.
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On October 13 2010 11:36 Bill Murray wrote: pm me your roles if you are town, please i will make a list and will try to help i made a very good list when i was a ninja in flamewheel's last game, helping the town sure, i wasn't pro-town that game, but i am this game there is not much else i can do to help help me help you
DO NOT ROLECLAIM TO BM.
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On October 13 2010 11:39 Bill Murray wrote: what? oh, you're scared to claim? can you all just trust me... this one time... lets win for the town
i wouldn't care so much if you all didn't need this help you all really, really, really suck at mafia for the most part you all make me look good, and i'm fucking terrible at mafia
So you, who you say is "fucking terrible at mafia", want to help the blues?
And you're asking for their trust on....faith?
Please, realize how stupid that is.
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On October 13 2010 11:40 Bill Murray wrote: pandain go crawl back into your hole
Calm down dude. Realize this isn't a good plan, and start thinking for the future. Don't make rash decisions.
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On October 13 2010 11:45 Bill Murray wrote: i now know 3 peoples roles.. unless they are lying Problems with BM's plan: 1. Unverified blues Right now anyone could fake claim blue, get into the circle, and mafia have all the info they need. Mafia have even more information, will take out DTs(the only real threats to themselves, along with possibly medics), manipulate the other blue's for their own ends/people who are starting to target them. 2. BM could be mafia. Read above, now he's definitely the one giving bad advice. 3.It's BM. I'm sorry man, but your not exactly the best one here.
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Alright, I'm sorry BM, and I've tried to be nice and subtle, but if your going to keep pulling out this bullcrap out of your mouth, its time to put it plaintly:
1.Your not good. Your not logical. You are by far not the best one here. In my opinion, I am better than you. Bumatlarge is better than you. Perhaps even LSB is better than you(certainly more logical.)
Please, just because you have more "expierence" doesn't make you good.
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On October 13 2010 11:52 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 11:50 Pandain wrote: Alright, I'm sorry BM, and I've tried to be nice and subtle, but if your going to keep pulling out this bullcrap out of your mouth, its time to put it plaintly:
1.Your not good. Your not logical. You are by far not the best one here. In my opinion, I am better than you. Bumatlarge is better than you. Perhaps even LSB is better than you(certainly more logical.)
Please, just because you have more "expierence" doesn't make you good. "your" your grammar makes you not better than me I have a near-mensa level I.Q. you are like 15 you are WAY worse than me in terms of night actions and coordination sorry to burst your bubble, kid bumatlarge is weak LSB is way too theory-based to get anyone lynched, and is a terrible voter, as seen when i raped him in Hesmyrr's game. Sorry, kid, you're wrong
1.I'm not the one asking every single blue(possibly even townies) to claim to me based on "faith" 2.I'm not the one who's famous for being "village idiot every game." 3.This game alone, you've made several huge failings. From being "certain" that veldril is mafia, to changing to like 5 other people,changing to masq, AND THEN CHANGING TO VELDIL AGAIN with this reason:
i am voting him because masq is a fucking newbie who is worthless, while vendril made a terrible pm someone shared with me which pretty much means he's mafia from my perspective . And I asked you for the pm and you said "suck my balls." I'm sorry, I cannot trust a person like that. And how can YOU even trust that person.
Add to that you accused me of rolefishing to you when I did no such thing. I have no idea where you think some things you come up with.
Please back down, your wrong, and you probably know it.
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On October 13 2010 11:57 Bill Murray wrote: Your English is better than Pandains, and I view you as a better player than him. Many people, like BC, who are overrated view Pandain as good. I believe he isn't nearly as good as people believe him to be. He is annoying, hasn't ever really lead a town or mafia (I have lead both, twice as Godfather winning, and once as a Jailkeeper which is akin to a protective role)
you won as godfather because you were so bad people argued whether you were just acting normal or not, and got hung up over that.
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