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And Meeple. Plz give me some information as to your suspects. Who you're looking at and why?
You haven't been posting too much actual information, and have only went at cynan and pandain possible connection? Plz continue, I might be persuaded to vote for Cynan quite easily, AND I would like to know what you think sir.
Again. I'm fine going after Misder. Will be changing my vote shortly. Definitely off of Xelin.
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On October 08 2010 11:03 Misder wrote: Actually, I feel like I've been more active day 1 in this game than in the other games. But then I dropped off.
Pretty much, I agree with what everyone is saying about me not posting a list of who I think is mafia is true. The list comprised of intuition, however much that matters in this game. I think this game I've tried to analyse people from my perspective of being mafia, and didn't realize that other people think differently. Well, I don't know if you still want my list from day 1 since it doesn't mean much and most of its suspicion based on intuition, but it comprised of ~Opz~, DH, and Infund. Well, we know that infund is town, so that goes to show how bad I am at scum hunting...
And this may seem contridictory again, but where is kingjames? He was active day 1, and now hes gone. Thinking of keeping my vote on you now...
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On October 08 2010 11:27 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 10:55 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 04 2010 22:21 Amber[LighT] wrote:On October 04 2010 18:58 Protactinium wrote:
Oh, and Detectives, you are not sleuths in this game. You are suicide cops. There is no passing your knowledge on. If you strike gold, er, red, shout out. Don't keep it to yourself, since if you die you take your findings to the grave. Shout out the name of the Mafia, then the names of those you have cleared. If everything goes correctly and Mafia are out for revenge, you should die bloodied and lacerated at night. But at least you'll have done your job.
Detectives, beware the Godfather. It doesn't deny in the Original Post that he can assume the mantle of the Village Idiot, which would make him close to unkillable, disregarding the Vigilante. More thoughts on this later, but if you are a Private Eye and you find the Town Fool, be wary if/when you choose to spill your secret findings to the world.
Oh, and lastly, lynch an inactive. If they are town-aligned, they're not going to be contributing anyway. Might as well get them out of the game to save some trouble later on, since with a lack of Behavior Analysts reds shouldn't be expected to be caught day 1 anyway. . No. No. AND No. Detectives should not feel that they need to out themselves upon finding someone out. Their abilities are _REALLY_ powerful in this game and we need them to be cautious and analytical in their findings. There is a reason they can't act until NIGHT 2. The one major reason NO Detective should out themselves is because of the miller role. There's no way to sift through posts to gather a reading on a player that could be green/blue and come up red on a check. This is like a reverse sanity check for the Detective. What's going to happen when a DT outs themselves claiming they found a red and then we lynch a blue/green?! Guess who's on the chopping block the next day? That's 2 DAY cycles we miss hitting mafia because of useless knowledge. Their abilities should be used to gather a town circle. Trust the players you check, and take risks in others you think are secure. Do not fear the Godfather. The chances of checking him are very slim. Regardless, his role only buys the mafia a day and he is in the same bucket as the millers. They will need extra attention. DT's once again: Trust your checks. We can go back and find out who's siphoning information out of your circles later. They can be caught, but it's up to you to play smart. If you think you checked someone and the check doesn't match up, then try to get the town to discuss it WITHOUT outing yourself. You're going to just accuse another player anyway, and we (the town) will try to protect you. Lynching an inactive is almost a guarantee at lynching a pro-town role. If they don't want to participate and play like crap, then fine. But they need to vote pro-town at the very least. Don't lynch someone who can make the difference... Most townies play with this stupid passive role as though they should just be quiet. NO. If you are a townie start speaking up! Your job is to look through posting etiquette and weed out "bad" posts. Be careful of traps, like this gem: On October 04 2010 19:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 04 2010 12:49 Amber[LighT] wrote: So I'm gonna be asleep so I'm gonna just start now:
We should work on figuring out how we want to go about voting on Day 1. We can: -Randomly Pick -Pick an Inactive -Pick an Active
I think of these three we should just go for a random pick. It seems that every time we choose an inactive the game just gets caught in a battle between 2 town groups, which never have mafia in them anyway!
It also might be a good idea to first design a plan (or 2 or 3) for how we want the blues to act over the next few days. We will want to keep our Detectives out of sight until day 2. Sadly I don't think outing them is the best option, so it's going to really be up to them to be really good at concealing themselves tonight. The same thing should apply to our vigilantes.
Pretty much our night 1 decisions need to be for the medics only. It's really hard to point out the people who should be saved, or how many people will be saved, so we should really let them use their best judgment while giving them a list of people to protect.
I'm going to state this now: I am going to be against role claiming, and I don't want to end up ruining the spirit of the game by doing this (as I feel it does). ...Wow....obviously.... -______- Derp typical OpZ day1 post. Don't expect much more from him until Day 2, just a guess. Hey hey hey, don't get all resentful on me. Lol. Come on. Those three ways are always deci---wait....lot of new people this game. My bad. I'll be more helpful then Oh. Hmm...Maybe I should add to the discussion more so next time. Personally.... Too all new players. Do not attach any kind of feelings to anyone trying to give you "good" direction. Distrust them. Even if they sound completely beneficial. Do not trust them. Do not trust me. Do not trust this post.. Ok, gonna look through some stuff. Gf might try and stop me, and gotta go smoke a cig with Champ. On October 04 2010 22:59 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I'm in favor of just voting random the first day. We have very little reason to go on to try and pick some one suspicious, and if anyone is suspicious before day 1 night, then they are most likely attempting to be suspicious(read the Village Idiot). The same holds true to voting an inactive. We would most likely end up killing a townie by voting random, but I don't think we really have a better option.
Once people start posting more we can have a more educated, organized, strategy, but for now I believe in chaos Our goal is to mafia kill. We kill suspicious people. It's what we do. It's our....Thaaaaaang. Mafia better be better at sniping then town, that's all I gotta say on that. On October 04 2010 22:27 Amber[LighT] wrote:Pandains post: + Show Spoiler +On October 04 2010 17:52 Pandain wrote: Alright I have high hopes for this game, lots of interesting roles(even for mafia). I'd like to offer my thoughts on some of them and what I think they would want to do, just common advice i suppose.
Medic: Protect people who you think are going to get hit(duh.You would be pretty dumb if you didn't.) This can include active pro town-seeming people, people you think are blue, people you think are going to be hit, or just decide your own path and be a rebel. DT: Protect who you have a suspicion of, including but not limited to 1.People acting out of character 2.Lurking people Veteran or Bulletproof: Try to soak up hits, but don't be too obvious. Under NO even remotely normal circumstances should any of these claim, as then the mafia will just stray away from shooting them. The only time they should claim is if they got hit
Then we got the two town KP roles, both very interesting in this game. Let's go over them.
Mad Hatter This role is very dangerous. In the hands of a good player, it can win the game, in the hands of a bad(or just bad luck) it can lose the game. For example, in Bill Murray's game Citizen,zeks, and sinquity managed to stall mafia by revealing they had a mad hatter, and had bombs on mafia. However, just as it seemed we were about to win Xelin the suicide bomber came in and killed 5 people, and zeks had a bomb on infun meaning another one died. MH has to be very careful with your bombs, but always place one(as we can get more info/chance) and the fact you can always move it. Vigilante The most interesting role for me. Now it says he CAN use it starting night two, but should we have him? I say starting night two we make a vote/tally of who to kill as an "additional lynch." And if we're really not sure, we don't even have to use him. In fact, he might just ignore us or not even exist. However, I'm hoping the town consensus will convince him unless he has a REALLY good read on someone. But more importantly, he will help us solve the Village Idiot Conundrum. That is, how do we know if a sucipious/scum looking person will not have been the VI the whole time! If we're stuck on that problem , we can use the vigilante to safely remove him. More devilishly, we can not lynch him and say we're going to lynch him next night, so if he's not mafia they will have to make a choice whether to risk having the VI lynched. Then we can even waste a kp, in addition to the possible fact he may have lived because he actually IS mafia.
But that's just getting into theory now, let's go back to what we can do now. Basically, we're at the part where Amber}Light says we are, where we can do one of three things. 1. Lynch an inactive 2.Randomly pick someone (PS KingJames you go to a random number generator on a website or w/e) 3.Lynch a suspicious person In two options(#1 and 3), the village idiot plays a large role in our decision. How do we know a sucipsious/inactive person isn't simply playing that role so then they will get lynched? The thing is, we don't. We'll have to use our best logic. I am against #2 on the basis of pure statistics. Assuming we have all blue roles, there is a greater chance of lynching a blue than a mafia. I like lynching inactives for a number of reasons 1.Usually are never blues(almost always townies) 2.Forces people to get talking 3.Provides us with more info(via the result of #2) Now let me say this: I might not lynch an inactive person. But if I don't push it, I will push you getting vigi'd. I want at least 2 good posts from everyone by the end of the day. As of right now I would hope to see your opinion on what to do today at the very least. Also I'm going to agree with Pandain for the time being. We need to understand how people play. Everyone should post or at least make an attempt to post. Try to use your strengths to figuring out mafia players. It's hard with a blank canvas, so think of a creative way to get the mafia to jump out. I'm in favor of use a random number generator to out someone. The person should then make a convincing claim so we can at least have something to work from. I was going to suggest a PM tactic for the Day 1 lynch, but this is a NO PM GAME. So this could get tricky :/ p.s. Typical Amber blunder? On October 05 2010 00:10 Divinek wrote:On October 04 2010 22:59 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I'm in favor of just voting random the first day. We have very little reason to go on to try and pick some one suspicious, and if anyone is suspicious before day 1 night, then they are most likely attempting to be suspicious(read the Village Idiot). The same holds true to voting an inactive. We would most likely end up killing a townie by voting random, but I don't think we really have a better option.
Once people start posting more we can have a more educated, organized, strategy, but for now I believe in chaos chaos is the mafia way. It's far better to try and get something out of people by pressuring them and forcing them to talk than just going 'oh well we RNG'd a hit now no one needs to talk for the rest of the day' Not to mention who's doing said "RNG"-ing. Amirite? -__- On October 05 2010 06:16 Happy.fairytail wrote: I actually don't think there's a difference whether we pick by random or inactive because:
a) Inactive doesn't necessarily mean non-blue. I've seen plenty of games where the DT was very quiet and seemingly inactive. He evaded all mafia suspicion and survived to the mid game and revealed himself. With himself and 3 innocent townsperson, he was able to establish a lasting majority against the mafia and win.
b) We have an equal chance of picking a village idiot whether we go random or inactive. It's not like we have special insight into the idiot's tactics that would give us an edge in determining one method or the other.
I think the two most important things are:
a) Communication. The upside far outweighs the downside, and I think we all agree here, no need to explain further.
b) We lynch someone every round. I'm going to prove this for another post statistically... That DT blew chunks, and so did that mafia. Fuck that three innocent townspersons were dumb too. Anyway, no. DT if you find a red bloke, I want you to build an argument for why he is mafia. Tell us what he is/is not doing that is/is not helping to town. I want you to lay into him. Be relentless. Don't pull no fucking punches. If his mama's a tramp, I want you to let us know. Shiaaaaaaat. So ignore this kid's advice. It's weak sauce. -___- Quiet people often get sniped by mafia toooooo. (Unless Radfield/Ace/L are playing) Eh...Kinda got the Village idiot post. It was pretty smart thinking with Village Idiot/Mafia win....So we do gotta be careful, cuz if village idiot is down to last 3 "Hai I'm VI, lynch me!!" Mafia just have to wait for him to vote for himself. Lol. I don't really agree that ~Opz~ said anything important in this post. 1) He says that hes not used to all the newcomers and says that newcomers should trust anyone. So to a newcomer, does one trust the post or not? Not really helpful to anyone, and it just messes with the mind. 2) He says that the point of mafia is to kill the mafia, but then implies that town sucks at scum hunting, saying that mafia better be good at green hunting, cause thats the only way we can win. At least thats how I read it. 3) Points out Amber's mistake and calls it typical. Not important I dont think cause anyone who read the OP knows its a no PM game. 4) Don't actually know what hes saying here. I think hes implying that we never actually know whos doing the RNG, and that some people can say that they RNG and they don't. I guess it kinda helps, but I don't even know if thats what he meant by that point, so no idea whether or not it helps him. 5) He just again becomes condescending, and tells everyone not to listen to happy's advice cause its weak.
It was a post of mainly thread notes and comments. You don't like my thoughts? Whereforeartthou Amber?! (I musta missed some posts by him for a while) In the thread they were talking about RNGing a lynch candidate. Giving an idea to make it legit?
Yea, happy's advice was weak.
Oh, hey....Look at all my games as town, I make a post VERY similar to that one. Would you like me to find some?
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BC, hi buddy how are ya?
Been misssssssssing you.
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I was going to look at DrH, but I'll eat my shoe if he is mafia.
-_- I mean I'm 69.9% sure he is town. He hasn't been attacking regulars, and vets like he does when he is mafia....
Although he is playing hella nice nice with everyone.
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On October 10 2010 14:32 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 14:18 SiNiquity wrote:Annnd now no one's been poisoned. :o On October 10 2010 14:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: I took a hit last night. err what? it's possible that mafia could poison someone and just have one of their members claim they took a hit you know. Not saying i think that's the case atm, i've generally seen opz in a pretty good light this game, but don't jump to conclusions so easily! Well someone out there knows I'm a town member, sheesh.
I'm seriously waiting on BC. I want to see some multiparty analysis from him. Til then I'm going to vote for him. His argument with Bill was pretty...Well I was in it too....So I can't say much. But Bill did point out a good point with that about Happy.
I was just waiting for more from BC...and I haven't gotten much more.
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On October 10 2010 16:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 14:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 10 2010 14:32 Divinek wrote:On October 10 2010 14:18 SiNiquity wrote:Annnd now no one's been poisoned. :o On October 10 2010 14:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: I took a hit last night. err what? it's possible that mafia could poison someone and just have one of their members claim they took a hit you know. Not saying i think that's the case atm, i've generally seen opz in a pretty good light this game, but don't jump to conclusions so easily! Well someone out there knows I'm a town member, sheesh. I'm seriously waiting on BC. I want to see some multiparty analysis from him. Til then I'm going to vote for him. His argument with Bill was pretty...Well I was in it too....So I can't say much. But Bill did point out a good point with that about Happy. I was just waiting for more from BC...and I haven't gotten much more. Dude, I have no issue popping out analysis, but waiting on me? I would ask if your expecting me to do it myself I ask you to do it as well. Your a solid player and shouldn't be relying just on my posts to figure out what to do. No sir BC, that is not what I meant. I've been waiting to see something from you, so I could generate a better opinion about you. You know I can't trust you, and never do. And personally, even bringing up BM in your post made me suspect you more. We know BM wasn't playing pro-town. We haven't lynched him for fear of VI. Why did you feel you needed to beat a dead horse BC?
If you want my opinion, you've done more than Amber, and Xelin, and South, and Meeple. Kinda...annoyed they aren't posting at all. What you all have nothing to say? I'd venture 2 of you are mafia. Amber especially under suspicion.
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On October 11 2010 03:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 23:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 10 2010 16:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On October 10 2010 14:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 10 2010 14:32 Divinek wrote:On October 10 2010 14:18 SiNiquity wrote:Annnd now no one's been poisoned. :o On October 10 2010 14:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: I took a hit last night. err what? it's possible that mafia could poison someone and just have one of their members claim they took a hit you know. Not saying i think that's the case atm, i've generally seen opz in a pretty good light this game, but don't jump to conclusions so easily! Well someone out there knows I'm a town member, sheesh. I'm seriously waiting on BC. I want to see some multiparty analysis from him. Til then I'm going to vote for him. His argument with Bill was pretty...Well I was in it too....So I can't say much. But Bill did point out a good point with that about Happy. I was just waiting for more from BC...and I haven't gotten much more. Dude, I have no issue popping out analysis, but waiting on me? I would ask if your expecting me to do it myself I ask you to do it as well. Your a solid player and shouldn't be relying just on my posts to figure out what to do. No sir BC, that is not what I meant. I've been waiting to see something from you, so I could generate a better opinion about you. You know I can't trust you, and never do. And personally, even bringing up BM in your post made me suspect you more. We know BM wasn't playing pro-town. We haven't lynched him for fear of VI. Why did you feel you needed to beat a dead horse BC? If you want my opinion, you've done more than Amber, and Xelin, and South, and Meeple. Kinda...annoyed they aren't posting at all. What you all have nothing to say? I'd venture 2 of you are mafia. Amber especially under suspicion. Eh? I was asked to analyze BM by Infinite when he asked me for analysis. Suspecting me for doing something that someone asked is pretty sketchy play opz, even you know that. Besides, your also an experienced player, waiting for me to post to get a general idea on my alignment is great, its even smart. However, by not posting any analysis because your waiting for me doesn't help the town in the least. You can easily analyze me overtime as well as write up analysis of people you find suspicious to help the town. You have a point sir, and I never considered it. I usually have a one track mind when it comes to looking at people. =( Other times, it's generally all over the place, but looking, I get too focused.
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On October 10 2010 23:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:Can someone explain to me why we voted for a double lynch? I could have sworn we were going to get this insane amount of information, yet from what it seems we're still running around with our heads cut off. Like what the hell happened yesterday? The day seemed pretty cut and dry. Vote Xelin and then see if mafia touches BM. Was this plan not sound? Then someone suggested a double lynch. I wasn't keen on the idea of doing this, and I vocally said going for a double lynch so early was a terrible idea. So now we didn't lynch Xelin, but instead went for someone who wasn't even being discussed until the last 12 hours of the day (since I checked frequently up until then). What seems to be the plan? Where does Xelin sit on the list? BM? Did we just forget about them. There is one thing I want to raise as suspicion, and everyone should consider this: I'm HIGHLY suspicious of this since we can't really check. Not only do I find it fishy that he would say this, but it's also weird that we would have 2 veterans with the possibility of a bulletproof in this game. It would seem that in a game this small it's more likely that only one person would fulfill each role, at the most. It makes no sense to stack roles like Veterans in this game, since our last veteran that died obviously had no clue how to use his role. However I will say that I am not suspcious of Opz because if he is a Veteran, he used the role very well, and his posts should be looked at to see who he targeted, if there's any relevant posts. But I want everyone to mull over this. Our friend, BC, used the same tactic in another mafia game and it ruined the town for about 2 days because we didn't act! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=81#1610Cliffs: BC claimed to be protected by a medic on Night 2. We played along and didn't act upon this claim. He then went on to completely obliterate the town in the subsequent days in BM's game. Is Opz lying? Well if you want to be sure we can lynch him. He isn't really useful anymore if he's already been hit once. He has been playing the fence throughout the whole game. Usually he pushes players against a wall more frequently, and he wasn't doing this in an aggressive way this time. For the second lynch, you guys can figure it out. You wanted 2, now start investigating. I'm going to just vote for Xelin again since the double lynch plan was more sound with Xelin dying yesterday and BM dying today. This was your first post in god forsaken how long? Attacking me for eating a hit, then suggesting I get lynched when I could simply be bulletproof? What kind of logic is that?
Amber, what have you done all game? Let's have a look why don't we....Not that I want to dedicate this time since I'm at the GF's house, but Let me go ahead.
On October 11 2010 02:45 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 23:59 Amber[LighT] wrote: Is Opz lying? Well if you want to be sure we can lynch him. He isn't really useful anymore if he's already been hit once. He has been playing the fence throughout the whole game. Usually he pushes players against a wall more frequently, and he wasn't doing this in an aggressive way this time.
Are you saying that in order to see if OpZ is a townie, we should lynch him? We could full well be doing the mafia's work for them, then. It's like the medieval witch trial joke. The way to tell if someone was a witch in medieval times - throw them in the ocean with weights attached. Live - is a witch, kill him/her. Die - oshi, was a human. I'm fairly convinced that OpZ is a townie so far, so the following paragraph assumes that: What do you mean "he isn't really useful anymore if he's already been hit once?" You might be forgetting that there's another role that takes hits, namely the Blue Bulletproof, who can't be nightkilled at all (except through poison or vigi). This whole thing really rests on what OpZ meant by "taking a hit" - did he get saved by a medic, did he use a veteran life, or did he survive with bulletproof? Even in the first two scenarios, if OpZ is a townie, he's still as useful as any other townie o_O at least in terms of numbers. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue. Also, OpZ - please clarify: Did you survive due to your role or due to a doc? I'm not clarifying because it would be retarded. Tell mafia my role so they can guess if they can hit me again? Let them try, and let them find out. Duh?
Sry new guy you needed to know that.
Seriously.
Xelin, mafia. Amber, Mafia. BC, I'm torn. Only reason he would be mafia is because he was given the role happy started with.
And more about me taking that hit? LOOK WHAT TIME I CLAIMED IT. God damn, does no body notice shit like that anymore?
post on Amber coming up.
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On October 11 2010 11:47 Crisis_ wrote: I believe OpZ when he said he took a hit. Even if he's lying, it's not like it's hurting our game that much. If someone were poisoned, we'd find out the next night anyway, and figure he was lying. As for his wording, it is likely that he is a vet/bulletproof because he would have otherwise said "I was hit, but saved" or some wording like that.
As for Cynan, I think he's definitely town now, after re-looking over his posts. They seemed suspicious before, but after looking at it from a town-play perspective, it was simply standard posting.
I'm still looking forward to hearing from kane]deth[, though. There's just not enough evidence to really put him down.
And while we're at it, since we have a double lynch, I'd like to hear from drag_ and ghrur, since they too have minimal posting. No. If I was bp, vet, or med prot'd, I would of said the exact same thing? Why? Because I don't want mafia to know what happened.
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On October 12 2010 03:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Opz I told them stop talking about it because it was so counter productive. Look at the people who have contributed today and then look at the votes. A few are awesome as they are random votes with no justification + no post in thread in general. Awesome game so far. TY BC, sry man. Just got off work and missed that post, tired as hell.
On October 04 2010 22:21 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 18:58 Protactinium wrote:
Oh, and Detectives, you are not sleuths in this game. You are suicide cops. There is no passing your knowledge on. If you strike gold, er, red, shout out. Don't keep it to yourself, since if you die you take your findings to the grave. Shout out the name of the Mafia, then the names of those you have cleared. If everything goes correctly and Mafia are out for revenge, you should die bloodied and lacerated at night. But at least you'll have done your job.
Detectives, beware the Godfather. It doesn't deny in the Original Post that he can assume the mantle of the Village Idiot, which would make him close to unkillable, disregarding the Vigilante. More thoughts on this later, but if you are a Private Eye and you find the Town Fool, be wary if/when you choose to spill your secret findings to the world.
Oh, and lastly, lynch an inactive. If they are town-aligned, they're not going to be contributing anyway. Might as well get them out of the game to save some trouble later on, since with a lack of Behavior Analysts reds shouldn't be expected to be caught day 1 anyway. . No. No. AND No. Detectives should not feel that they need to out themselves upon finding someone out. Their abilities are _REALLY_ powerful in this game and we need them to be cautious and analytical in their findings. There is a reason they can't act until NIGHT 2. The one major reason NO Detective should out themselves is because of the miller role. There's no way to sift through posts to gather a reading on a player that could be green/blue and come up red on a check. This is like a reverse sanity check for the Detective. What's going to happen when a DT outs themselves claiming they found a red and then we lynch a blue/green?! Guess who's on the chopping block the next day? That's 2 DAY cycles we miss hitting mafia because of useless knowledge. Their abilities should be used to gather a town circle. Trust the players you check, and take risks in others you think are secure. Do not fear the Godfather. The chances of checking him are very slim. Regardless, his role only buys the mafia a day and he is in the same bucket as the millers. They will need extra attention. DT's once again: Trust your checks. We can go back and find out who's siphoning information out of your circles later. They can be caught, but it's up to you to play smart. If you think you checked someone and the check doesn't match up, then try to get the town to discuss it WITHOUT outing yourself. You're going to just accuse another player anyway, and we (the town) will try to protect you. Lynching an inactive is almost a guarantee at lynching a pro-town role. If they don't want to participate and play like crap, then fine. But they need to vote pro-town at the very least. Don't lynch someone who can make the difference... Most townies play with this stupid passive role as though they should just be quiet. NO. If you are a townie start speaking up! Your job is to look through posting etiquette and weed out "bad" posts. Be careful of traps, like this gem: Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 19:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 04 2010 12:49 Amber[LighT] wrote: So I'm gonna be asleep so I'm gonna just start now:
We should work on figuring out how we want to go about voting on Day 1. We can: -Randomly Pick -Pick an Inactive -Pick an Active
I think of these three we should just go for a random pick. It seems that every time we choose an inactive the game just gets caught in a battle between 2 town groups, which never have mafia in them anyway!
It also might be a good idea to first design a plan (or 2 or 3) for how we want the blues to act over the next few days. We will want to keep our Detectives out of sight until day 2. Sadly I don't think outing them is the best option, so it's going to really be up to them to be really good at concealing themselves tonight. The same thing should apply to our vigilantes.
Pretty much our night 1 decisions need to be for the medics only. It's really hard to point out the people who should be saved, or how many people will be saved, so we should really let them use their best judgment while giving them a list of people to protect.
I'm going to state this now: I am going to be against role claiming, and I don't want to end up ruining the spirit of the game by doing this (as I feel it does). ...Wow....obviously.... -______- Derp typical OpZ day1 post. Don't expect much more from him until Day 2, just a guess. My post was Derp, but you're talking about PMs and Circles? Read the rules. Would of been decent logic, buuuuuuuuuuut ignore the GF, but be wary of Millers? That's kind of an oxymoron. Bad reverse logic there. He wants you to PM his godfather, but he DOESNT want you to shout if you find a mafia?. Kk, got you there home boy.
Why is this bad play? Because detective defend people they check that come up town, and attack people that come up mafia. That's what you do. That's your job. He's telling you....The opposite?
On October 04 2010 22:27 Amber[LighT] wrote:Pandains post: + Show Spoiler +On October 04 2010 17:52 Pandain wrote: Alright I have high hopes for this game, lots of interesting roles(even for mafia). I'd like to offer my thoughts on some of them and what I think they would want to do, just common advice i suppose.
Medic: Protect people who you think are going to get hit(duh.You would be pretty dumb if you didn't.) This can include active pro town-seeming people, people you think are blue, people you think are going to be hit, or just decide your own path and be a rebel. DT: Protect who you have a suspicion of, including but not limited to 1.People acting out of character 2.Lurking people Veteran or Bulletproof: Try to soak up hits, but don't be too obvious. Under NO even remotely normal circumstances should any of these claim, as then the mafia will just stray away from shooting them. The only time they should claim is if they got hit
Then we got the two town KP roles, both very interesting in this game. Let's go over them.
Mad Hatter This role is very dangerous. In the hands of a good player, it can win the game, in the hands of a bad(or just bad luck) it can lose the game. For example, in Bill Murray's game Citizen,zeks, and sinquity managed to stall mafia by revealing they had a mad hatter, and had bombs on mafia. However, just as it seemed we were about to win Xelin the suicide bomber came in and killed 5 people, and zeks had a bomb on infun meaning another one died. MH has to be very careful with your bombs, but always place one(as we can get more info/chance) and the fact you can always move it. Vigilante The most interesting role for me. Now it says he CAN use it starting night two, but should we have him? I say starting night two we make a vote/tally of who to kill as an "additional lynch." And if we're really not sure, we don't even have to use him. In fact, he might just ignore us or not even exist. However, I'm hoping the town consensus will convince him unless he has a REALLY good read on someone. But more importantly, he will help us solve the Village Idiot Conundrum. That is, how do we know if a sucipious/scum looking person will not have been the VI the whole time! If we're stuck on that problem , we can use the vigilante to safely remove him. More devilishly, we can not lynch him and say we're going to lynch him next night, so if he's not mafia they will have to make a choice whether to risk having the VI lynched. Then we can even waste a kp, in addition to the possible fact he may have lived because he actually IS mafia.
But that's just getting into theory now, let's go back to what we can do now. Basically, we're at the part where Amber}Light says we are, where we can do one of three things. 1. Lynch an inactive 2.Randomly pick someone (PS KingJames you go to a random number generator on a website or w/e) 3.Lynch a suspicious person In two options(#1 and 3), the village idiot plays a large role in our decision. How do we know a sucipsious/inactive person isn't simply playing that role so then they will get lynched? The thing is, we don't. We'll have to use our best logic. I am against #2 on the basis of pure statistics. Assuming we have all blue roles, there is a greater chance of lynching a blue than a mafia. I like lynching inactives for a number of reasons 1.Usually are never blues(almost always townies) 2.Forces people to get talking 3.Provides us with more info(via the result of #2) Now let me say this: I might not lynch an inactive person. But if I don't push it, I will push you getting vigi'd. I want at least 2 good posts from everyone by the end of the day. As of right now I would hope to see your opinion on what to do today at the very least. Also I'm going to agree with Pandain for the time being. We need to understand how people play. Everyone should post or at least make an attempt to post. Try to use your strengths to figuring out mafia players. It's hard with a blank canvas, so think of a creative way to get the mafia to jump out. I'm in favor of use a random number generator to out someone. The person should then make a convincing claim so we can at least have something to work from. I was going to suggest a PM tactic for the Day 1 lynch, but this is a NO PM GAME. So this could get tricky :/ Of course mafia would be in favor of a RNG. You wouldn't out someone. You would just create a shitty lynch target that would provide the town with No information. Good idea again Amber. I think my sarcasm is coming across thick. Or I'm hoping it is.
On October 05 2010 20:38 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 14:05 Crisis_ wrote:On October 05 2010 12:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:On October 05 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote: I'm here. I just started my first day of work, so I don't know if I'll be able to be as active as I have in the past. Haven't gotten to read the thread yet, as I just worked a twelve hour day, but I promise I'll make an informed post tomorrow. Yea, uh huh. I believe it, but come on BM! On October 05 2010 12:03 Crisis_ wrote:I'm in favor of voting inactives. It forces people to talk, leading to more communication. As mentioned before, communication is a step forward in helping us to determine scum. I'd have to agree with most of this. Mafia often snipe the quiet folk as they are often medics or other good power-roles. In my first game on TL where we were mafia that was one of the tell-tale signs of the medic we sniped. I'd also agree with you on the DT building an argument but I'm against claiming at this point in time until the DT builds up a few more reports. He can't just let his reports do the work for him; he has to be a proactive townie. As for the DTs, I agree with most of this. A DT that plays the role of a proactive townie will be diffused amongst the crowd, instead of being a sitting duck to the mafia's quiet-sniping tendencies. K, I'll be voting you in a second Crisis_.... How nice of you to vote for me. Glad to know that your vote will be a waste, since: 1. I am participating in active discussion to try to help town and give advice to the DT, I wouldn't be doing this if I were scum. 2. There are better candidates to be lynched, i.e. inactives. I would highly suggest being careful about how you analyze for the rest of the game. You're in for a full-on assault from Opz now. Shitlisted!!! So half the town just isn't aware of the game going on right now? We need the other 12+ players to contribute... Don't get rough with me boy. I'll bite you.
On October 06 2010 02:19 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 00:48 meeple wrote:On October 06 2010 00:29 Crisis_ wrote:On October 05 2010 22:57 NukeTheBunnys wrote: Here is the list of people that have not posted so far, so we can get an idea of who the inactives are
1. JeeJee 2. bumatlarge 3. Bill Murray 10.SINiquity 11.XeliN 12.kane]deth[ 15.infinitestory 16.cSc 20.drag_ 21.CynanMachine
I did not count 1 line post with no real content. A bit less then half the people have posted by now with most of the content from a small group of people(~OpZ~,Amber[LighT].Divinek and Misder and some others) If we choose to vote inactive, we currently have quite the pool to choose from Well, these inactives are the candidates that I'm in favor of voting of. And yea, I'm new, so I'm probably shit at this game rofl. I wouldn't be surprised if I screwed up the whole game. I've attempted to give advice to the DT, but now I'm not so sure if it was a great idea or not. Well... I won't discourage your posting, since anything is useful at this point... but the DT can't even act until Night 2... so if you are attempting to aid the blue roles in making decisions, try the medic On that note... not only cops but I think protective roles should read up on http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_the_Cop like Infund suggested... just to mess with the red's heads a little more... please don't be obvious about tells but just keep them in mind. Of that list... the only ones that strike me as odd are JeeJee and Xelin, since I think they're usually around. Perhaps because of the late start, BrownBear should send them little nudges through PM's that the games started? True we should probably work on making sure that the medic is set up. It wouldn't surprise me if an inactive is the medic since it makes no sense for active players to risk getting killed while at the same time providing the town with insight. That should be done by the townies (who a bunch are still snoozing!!!!!). The top 5 on that list will probably speak by the end of the day. Due to past mafia experience they always maintain a low presence and will erupt come tomorrow as though this massive amount of information will be gathered by tomorrow. I'm interested to hear about why we should lynch certain people though. I mean the current active town can just hang out and start spitting out names of inactive players but you should be defending your right to stay alive through this lynch.... I'm still on the fence as to how this vote should go, but we need to have a decent plan going into day 2 as well for how voting procedure should take place. This could happen tomorrow when the other players decide to finally become active. Funny how....None came out with a mass amount of information the next day. When were you going to point this out. Drawing heat of fellow mafia? It's cool.
On October 06 2010 22:28 Amber[LighT] wrote: well done with the VI lynch... maybe people will stop ignoring my posts when I say that obvious stupid bandwagons were forming and to STOP THEM. What happened in day 1 is no surprise the town didn't organize properly, and too many people are sitting idly twiddling their thumbs.
Bill Murray should never be taken seriously. He's obviously playing irrationally trying to get people to lynch someone on a name-basis. RE-READ PAGES 15-17 and keep him on your radar! And....You didn't keep posting your suspicions why? I don't get it....
On October 07 2010 23:09 Amber[LighT] wrote: Xelin are you serious? Bill Murray has done nothing but spew bullshit this entire thread and all of a sudden you "side with him" because of town/townie? You've played mafia games with BM before, and you're going to side with him? This is the same crap he pulls every game. I wake up and I open up FF to see the night post and follow-up posts between midnight and now. I see "TL MAFIA XXXI" and I'm like "cool it's been active." I click the thread and I remembered leaving off at page 27. Now it's 7 pages later and I got excited. The town was active! They are posting! I read about 2 pages in and realize how Day 2 was starting off. I pretty much went from :-D, to :-), to :-?, to >:|, to >:/, to "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" in about 5 minutes. I'm sitting here thinking, "could it get any worse?" Oh it does. Xelin you're going to defend BM on this and lynch a high-tier player? You know the only reason BM is doing this is because it's BC, not because HFT managed to fuck up and not vote. I can't side with an argument that has no concrete evidence.
Now I also notice that BM is praising his lynch on the VI. You dumb bro? That was supposed to be game over. You managed to fuck the game up within 24 hours, and now you continue hacking away at players fishing for roles, like you always do. Luckily this is a non-PM game so you can't harass us like the last time, so I guess your only outlet is this thread.
SERIOUSLY STOP THE SPAM.
Just gonna say this if we just lynched BM on Day 1 like I subtly suggested this would have never happened: 1. VI wouldn't have been killed. 2. BC/OPZ/DrH wouldn't be on the chopping block 3. Thread would be about 4 pages less and more read-able and less frustrating. 4. Xelin wouldn't stick his head out (what is this all about?)
To be honest I don't even think any of the 5 people I've listed are mafia, it's just inner-town squabbles. You gotta remember that not everyone got a "townie PM" anyway so lynching based upon Artanis/BB's noun choices is laughable. And If that happens I'm gonna pretty much stop playing because that's just nonsense (and it will be the 2nd time in a row in this game we've allowed noise to clutter up the voting thread.) Should Xelin not be sticking his head out? His analysis and his opinions have generally been good. So why isn't he helping us right now? Notice you attack xelin and then defend him. Same with BM. I don't get it. What do you want us to do? You're giving no direction. You are keeping us in a circle, and I don't like it. You need to go.
On October 08 2010 08:30 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 07:21 LSB wrote:On October 08 2010 07:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 07:08 LSB wrote:On October 08 2010 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 06:57 LSB wrote:On October 08 2010 06:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 06:50 LSB wrote:On October 08 2010 06:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 06:45 LSB wrote: [quote] We wouldn't be placing the game in the hands of the mafia. The mafia would want to kill BM at night as much as we do.
The point is, the only reason why the mafia wouldn't kill BM is if BM is mafia. or because town isn't going to lynch a village idiot and they don't need to kill him in the first place I find it quiet hard to believe that there are two VI's in this game. So what would we do about BM? We can't just ignore him Vig hit, we've already went over this Small concern: What if it turns out BM is vet? We lose Vigi powers. Big concern: Having the Vig kill BM doesn't help out the town at all It's better to have the Mafia do the dirty work for us than for us to have to do it ourselves. Essentially we are reducing mafia KP for a night. More people are alive. Yay! We don't decide what the mafia does. What you don't understand is that the only way this puts mafia in a corner is IF bill murray is mafia if bill murray isn't mafia they are sitting back and laughing at the pressure while we are essentially saying "if you don't kill this town player we will". if we have reason to believe he is the village idiot than lynching him is stupid Bill Murray is going to be dead no matter what if he is mafia. Doesn't change the situation for the Mafia at all O.O If Bill Murray is mafia, mafia is probably cutting losses right now and bandwagoning him. On the other hand, if Bill Murray isn't mafia, they will kill him. They have to decide between losing the game and using a KP. Obviously they are going to use a KP. If they sit back and laugh they will lose. so lets clarify you are saying if mafia doesn't kill bill murray we will lynch him and because he is the VI mafia will lose? if bill murray isn't mafia and the mafia doesn't kill him what does the mafia stand to lose that we don't? in that scenario both the mafia and the town are under equal pressure and the mafia have the upper hand because they know bill isn't red and we don't We both agree that if Bill Murray is mafia, there is no difference in the plan. The point of disagreement is what the mafia would do. Okay, I have no idea how you're approaching the problem. But I think we aren't on the same page. I'll just explain it again. Think of incentives from the Mafia's point of view. Assume we are following through with our plan. It's Night 2. Mafia knows that Bill Murray isn't one of them. They either have two options 1) Kill Bill Murray, if Bill Murray is a townie, its business as usually. If Bill Murray is VI they adverted disaster 2) Don't Kill Bill Murray, if Bill Murray is townie, nothing really happens as the town will just double lynch. If Bill Murrary is VI, the town would lynch Bill Murrary, thinking that Bill Murrary is red. Mafia will find that option 1 is preferable. Option 2 they have a chance of loosing. Option 1 they kill someone that doesn't reveal to the town much information about the mafia. As for the Town. It's Day 3. From our incentive analysis, we realize that if Bill Murrary was green/VI, mafia would have killed him. So if Bill Murrary is green, we wake up with his death post. If Bill Murrary was red, Mafia wouldn't have killed him. So we know that he is red. So we lynch him and we take out a mafia. What this plan does is exploit the fact that the mafia knows whether or not Bill Murray is redMafia basically knows Bill Murray's role. We don't. So we force the mafia to reveal this information. I agree with this 100%. This will give us a better answer then having a vigilante kill him. Mafia will want to make sure that he's taken out if they even think he's the village idiot. It doesn't guarantee that there's a possibility of ignoring the thread and going for someone else, but it would seem highly likely for them to halt losing altogether. (would be so embarrassing for town and mafia to have 2 VI's lynched) Killing BM today should be out of the question, and though I don't really want Xelin to be lynched he hasn't contributed and doesn't even want to explain or defend his position. Hopefully at the least he will flip a townie, mafia if we're really lucky, but I doubt it. And then top it all off, you support keeping BM alive. Knowing the mafia wont hit BM. That's too funny to even suggest casually. I don't get it. Chaos causing, spam spewing BM, is beneficial for mafia. Mafia offing him would be...Retarded?
On October 08 2010 09:06 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 08:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 08:30 Amber[LighT] wrote:On October 08 2010 07:21 LSB wrote:On October 08 2010 07:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 07:08 LSB wrote:On October 08 2010 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 06:57 LSB wrote:On October 08 2010 06:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 06:50 LSB wrote: [quote]
I find it quiet hard to believe that there are two VI's in this game.
So what would we do about BM? We can't just ignore him Vig hit, we've already went over this Small concern: What if it turns out BM is vet? We lose Vigi powers. Big concern: Having the Vig kill BM doesn't help out the town at all It's better to have the Mafia do the dirty work for us than for us to have to do it ourselves. Essentially we are reducing mafia KP for a night. More people are alive. Yay! We don't decide what the mafia does. What you don't understand is that the only way this puts mafia in a corner is IF bill murray is mafia if bill murray isn't mafia they are sitting back and laughing at the pressure while we are essentially saying "if you don't kill this town player we will". if we have reason to believe he is the village idiot than lynching him is stupid Bill Murray is going to be dead no matter what if he is mafia. Doesn't change the situation for the Mafia at all O.O If Bill Murray is mafia, mafia is probably cutting losses right now and bandwagoning him. On the other hand, if Bill Murray isn't mafia, they will kill him. They have to decide between losing the game and using a KP. Obviously they are going to use a KP. If they sit back and laugh they will lose. so lets clarify you are saying if mafia doesn't kill bill murray we will lynch him and because he is the VI mafia will lose? if bill murray isn't mafia and the mafia doesn't kill him what does the mafia stand to lose that we don't? in that scenario both the mafia and the town are under equal pressure and the mafia have the upper hand because they know bill isn't red and we don't We both agree that if Bill Murray is mafia, there is no difference in the plan. The point of disagreement is what the mafia would do. Okay, I have no idea how you're approaching the problem. But I think we aren't on the same page. I'll just explain it again. Think of incentives from the Mafia's point of view. Assume we are following through with our plan. It's Night 2. Mafia knows that Bill Murray isn't one of them. They either have two options 1) Kill Bill Murray, if Bill Murray is a townie, its business as usually. If Bill Murray is VI they adverted disaster 2) Don't Kill Bill Murray, if Bill Murray is townie, nothing really happens as the town will just double lynch. If Bill Murrary is VI, the town would lynch Bill Murrary, thinking that Bill Murrary is red. Mafia will find that option 1 is preferable. Option 2 they have a chance of loosing. Option 1 they kill someone that doesn't reveal to the town much information about the mafia. As for the Town. It's Day 3. From our incentive analysis, we realize that if Bill Murrary was green/VI, mafia would have killed him. So if Bill Murrary is green, we wake up with his death post. If Bill Murrary was red, Mafia wouldn't have killed him. So we know that he is red. So we lynch him and we take out a mafia. What this plan does is exploit the fact that the mafia knows whether or not Bill Murray is redMafia basically knows Bill Murray's role. We don't. So we force the mafia to reveal this information. I agree with this 100%. This will give us a better answer then having a vigilante kill him. Mafia will want to make sure that he's taken out if they even think he's the village idiot. It doesn't guarantee that there's a possibility of ignoring the thread and going for someone else, but it would seem highly likely for them to halt losing altogether. (would be so embarrassing for town and mafia to have 2 VI's lynched) Killing BM today should be out of the question, and though I don't really want Xelin to be lynched he hasn't contributed and doesn't even want to explain or defend his position. Hopefully at the least he will flip a townie, mafia if we're really lucky, but I doubt it. Do you really feel Xelin is the strongest candidate for tonights lynch? He has a tenuous connection with Bill Murray and BB implied he might have a blue/red role. If BM is mafia then I'd say Xelin probably is as well but I don't want to risk lynching a blue until we have more information on BM if that makes sense. If Xelin is blue he should be doing a really shitty job at defending himself. He needs to do more especially if he knows how valuable his role is, if he is indeed blue. If he's green then it's less likely he will fight for his life, perhaps even less than if he were mafia. This passive behavior isn't right though. Xelin doesn't play like this. Good, cuz I'm voting for him too.
My opinion I need to go hop in the shower.
Anyway, Amber is clearly not playing as he usually does. He probably has come at me because his team could not kill me last night. They want me dead, and that's FAIRLY obvious by me taking a hit. To jump at me like that, then throw a vote on me for no reason, just because?
Look
On October 11 2010 22:10 Amber[LighT] wrote: Don't worry dude I'm really frustrated. I don't understand how you could be completely (or just about completely) inactive when you have such a power role for the town. He should have been creating a lot of the town discussion and pointing fingers, but sometimes things don't work out as they should, so we move on.
I'm putting my votes on Xelin and Opz, not because I want them to be lynched, but because I don't want to be modkilled. I expressed my frustration over the double lynch and I'm not going to throw more townies under a bus, as some magic invisible hand has been doing this game. It's actually ridiculous how in THREE day cycles the discussion has literally spun from valid and sound choices to these obscure call-out votes.
I sense a lot of sheep in this game, and if you're listening to the loud mouth players you're already losing the game for us.
What?
POST YOR OWN Thoughts. You just waste your vote becase your mad about a double lynch. What kind of useless townie are you.
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On October 12 2010 07:51 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 07:34 infinitestory wrote:You addressed everything else, but you kinda dodged the main point against you, which was your unfounded aggression against OpZ. This main point is also probably the main reason for the vote train against you. On October 10 2010 23:59 Amber[LighT] wrote: Is Opz lying? Well if you want to be sure we can lynch him. He isn't really useful anymore if he's already been hit once. For a number of different reasons, already outlined in the thread, this is pretty illogical He has been playing the fence throughout the whole game. Usually he pushes players against a wall more frequently, and he wasn't doing this in an aggressive way this time.
For the second lynch this implies that you've got OpZ down as lynch #1 in your head, you guys can figure it out. You wanted 2, now start investigating. I'm going to just vote for Xelin again since the double lynch plan was more sound with Xelin dying yesterday and BM dying today. Instead of trying to justify this comment in your defense, you actually said that you didn't advocate lynching OpZ 100%, but rather wanted to keep us on our toes. I know I should be wary of OpZ lying, but it's pretty clear from the bolded parts of your statement that you want OpZ dead for one reason or another. On top of that, you voted OpZ and tried to say you were abstaining. I just don't see the logic behind it at all, and your defense didn't adequately cover this most pressing point. My stance on Opz hasn't really changed the whole game. Look at the posts I've made regarding Opz, most of which were subtle critical yet light in emotion. I respect Opz as a player and I usually align with him indirectly in most cases. I want people to be aware of every possibility presented against them, and Opz has given something valuable to the town. I don't want him dead and I'm not pushing for a bandwagon against him. If you want to keep arguing about posting habits since we have sooooo much information for this double lynch then go for it. It's not going to result in flipping mafia members since they're clearly not threatened. They're the ones acting calm and spitting out small tidbits of information to misguide the town. Did I do that? No. I didn't. I took the time to provide an example of a scenario when this type of claim has occured before. It's entirely possible that Opz is lying. If I wanted to "finish the job" why would I mysteriously push for him in a lynch when there's other candidates who could quite possibly be pro-town as well. I don't think anybody who's really been in the spotlight today is mafia, and this wealth of information isn't definite. We were promised to have an easy day for a double lynch, yet we're bickering until the last minute and new suspects are rising AFTER THE FACT. Amber, stop arguing for your death. Post some analysis and I'll pull my vote off of you. Seriously. I will. I'm not being spiteful, I just feel you and Xelin are the most suspicious.
Would you like me to show you how your posting different. Watch this, it's about to blow your mind! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=31&u=Amber[LighT]&gb=date
Make sure it filters TL Mafia forum. Click the games with hella frequent posts. Look what Amber is.
HP mafia particularly. You had like 200+ posts that one game!
-___- Where the hell have you been this game! I quoted damn near every posts. Who have you analyzed. Who have you looked at. My analysis wasn't quick. My words were concise.
Notice how Xelin isn't arguing about dying? Either he just never logs on (possible cuz he disappears randomly), or he is mafia.
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I'll probably be moving one of my votes to south actually....I gotta go read his defense, but this is my thoughts ATM. But I'm looking.
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Siniquity, you really need to format your posts better. BC please tell me ONE thing. Why did you vote for Amber?
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I'm insanely mad at Amber right now and can not correctly type and format a post right now. Amber, I fucking don't understand you so much right now. I mean I see where that was coming from...Anyway, lynch told us hell of a lot.
Vigi, if you exist hit BC.
=D
Considering Amber was BP, not Vet, We can assume I'm not BP. Now that leaves me to either have been Vet or Med prot'd. If I am vet, well, I'm out of night lives. So I think it's okay if I tell you guys how I'm alive. I posted before that someone out there knows I'm town. I was saved by a medic, which was insanely lucky. Thank you for whoever said I was a good protection candidate.
I see why Amber said I'd be useless as I'd of taken my hit. His posts make hella sense now. Fucccccck Amber FUUUUUUUUUCK. Why couldn't you of just role claimed. You'd of been PERFECT. and you were quiet as an UNKILLABLE? Sorry.
Anyway, the importance of this now. To the medic that saved me, i'm 100% confirmed (unless a vig would like to step forward saying you hit me). Now, why I suspect BC. He went onto Amber with my wishy washy post that got him an ass of votes. I personally feel it wasn't that great of a post. Anyway, he allows that weak little points on Amber were enough. Maybe I'm doubting myself, but I would of laughed at that kind of analysis if I was BC. (See- pretty much any post by BC). Anyway, happy f'd up first, and BC f'd up second.
Amber. Fuck man you should of just claimed. Fuck I was out too late ><.
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Near time...I guess I'll point out BM is mafia.
And everyone that defended him. I'll bet good money on that. Bills trying to get a vet merc'd strategy.
Bill or BC. Hard to explain why right now. Too f'd up. Time running out.
Okay...Bills mass spamming. Easily expected of him. He's not likely to get lynched because of it. Bills willingness to get a vet player lynched, though arguable. We need to stop chucking things up to Bill being stupid, or something else. Maybe I'm just paranoid cuz I'm baked as fuck. But I'm gonna go lay down or chill out.
And about BC....Happy's posting, and...well BC is alive + BC not posting as ferociously as when he is town.
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Oh yea. I forgot about that. Haha....I'm paranoid as fuck.
Nvm...Haha...I need to update my town/mafia list.
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On October 13 2010 11:50 Bill Murray wrote: i would say that as mafia lynch me then lynch opz and bc when im green problem solved said the boy who cried wolf No sir. But I was kinda hoping mafia offed me day 1. I'm fine with BC lynch though. I've done explained I'm suspicious of him.
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i kinda feel the detective should step forward....but he really shouldnt. clearly the detective is playing decently being still alive and shit. detective, you should of checked siniquityor south last night.....
i really wish i knew who he was because he needs to be making large posts explaining why he "thinks" someone is protown, or about why he thinks someone is mafia....
I'll probably vote siniquity with you BC.
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