Also, who is smurfing as Protcat. Please tell, then I can analyze him better.
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On October 06 2010 10:22 CynanMachae wrote: Wow, am I really leading in votes so far? Lynching me would really be a bad idea. I agree with all of you that Padain's posting is a bit weird on defending me, since he can't know that I'm not mafia from my 2 posts and saying I'm playing the same as usual is really not much cause I don't think I've even changed my playstyle much in games were I was mafia, and these two posts really don't say anything right now. So, since Padain can't know I'm not mafia (no detective play yet), the only way that he can be sure that I'm town is if he's mafia himself. He's probably hoping I do get lynched and can play the "told you so" card then. Not that I think it's a wise decision for a mafia but else I don't see why he would be defending me. The only reason I would see is if he believed we should lynch people that are more inactive, but he didn't seem to suggest that. Of Course! I forgot the first sentence in the Mafia Handbook Rule 1: When people only have two votes on them, start defending them so they get lynched. If you defend it enough, then you can get him lynched! I'm not saying your not under suscipcion(I specifically said I was still keeping an eye on you), instead I said you should not be lynched. Originally I had misread the intentions of the votes on you as being serious votes, so I got a bit worried since I do not believe there is enough evidence that you are mafia, while I have suscipions of other players(namely Infund). I'm not sure your town, I'm saying I'm unsure. Also, I'm Pandain, not Padain. =D @Dr. H: I've reread Infund's post, and noticed he did give his opinion that dt should not roleclaim but be creative. So I'm a bit more unsure, but don't think Crysis is mafia either. Still, I'm going to leave what I said there for people to consider. Hmmm..... I'll wait for Proctat's post before deciding more. + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 10:25 Protactinium wrote: I won't reveal myself, since that would take effort. Somebody else can graciously do it and save me the trouble if he/she would like. Nvm, I'll just spill the beans. I'm Protact. Yes, I like to debate with myself. | ||
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On October 06 2010 10:37 Infundibulum wrote: The reason I haven't been posting is because I haven't been home since last night (>24h ago) when I made that first post. Thanks for getting my back while I was gone Dr H. Pandain, anybody can link to a website - but I'm the one who did. I don't think I've seen that guide before on TL at all, and frankly guides like that are something we could use more of on TL so that people can learn to play in non-PM games. You said it isn't superb though. So what would you add? Also Misder, I'm still waiting to see your list of suspects that you talked about before. Just to make me happy, mind posting some more content? For example, what to do in this situation, with like 2 modkills going to happen. Honestly, like Dr.H said, we don't really have any evidence. My main reason for voting you was because you seemed the most likely, but really you in itself were only possibly 50% mafia. But just post some more and I'll probably change my vote. I'm going to review everyone thus far that's posted, and decide. Hopefully I'll make a somewhat confident decision. | ||
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On October 06 2010 11:08 Infundibulum wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 10:58 meeple wrote: ... lots of sudden votes for protactinium... I mean... smurfing isn't that annoying is it? What's the deal with infinitestory's no-post vote... get in here man! Not just infinitestory, ghrur as well. You guys better post your reasoning for these votes on Element 91. Agreed. Things that must happen: 1.Sinquity post a decent sized paragraph or more of content 2. Infinitestory and ghurur explain your votes. I'm voting infinite story for that since he hasn't posted either. (At least he's online! Now pressure him to speak)\ As of right now we are in a deadly situation. The greatest number of votes on a person is 3, while mafia have 5 players. Mafia can and probably will influence the outcome of this lynch. I've suggested we therefore stick to a single person since at least we will have a chance at lynching mafia(rather than the 99% chance that mafia will manipulate the voting if a mafia is getting lynched.) I was going to suggest Infun, but am less sure now. + Show Spoiler + On the side note, I have now figured out who it is. Hehe Element 91. | ||
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On October 06 2010 11:24 infinitestory wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 11:22 Protactinium wrote: I'm sorry, am I attacking you? I was pretty sure I was just attacking your ideas, good sir. Well, then can you offer a logical argument as to why mafia would abstain from night-killing village idiot if village idiot is exposed and town makes the threat I outlined above? I would be glad to hear any thoughtful criticism, as this plan needs to work perfectly to actually get rid of that idiotic nuisance. Basically, if the town's going to be that much of a panda poacher than mafia can just do the same thing. They don't hit the VI. Then what? We doom ourselves? Chances are we change our mind and the mafia are 1 up on us. Basically, the plan revolves entirely around wifom, which should rarely be used in mafia. Alright, we have two explantions from why they voted Proctat. What about you, Sinquity? | ||
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"Didn't reveal who he was" (Sinquity) "Bill Murray voted for him and I wanted to fit in"(Infinite Story) "This way mafia can't manipulate the vote away to a different person"(Nuke da bunnies) "Panic voted, looked back, but i would've voted for a different person! Plus, I think he's VI now(says this after Protact heavily hints at it)" (Bumatlarge) "Bill Murray" Alright reason "Tried to get dt to reveal, bill murray seems sure(albeit that reason is less than sound as he couldn't really be), smurfs are uncool and unhelpful" (Ghrur) "Stuck between a rock and a hard place"(I'm assuming this means because he was tied for second place?) (Crisis) Overall, horrible reasons. Almost all of these people are newcomers as well, meaning theres a chance this might've just been a fail on the town part. I'll be looking through these people in addition to some others. I actually assume only 1-2(doubt 2) mafia would be on this list, but theres a good chance there might be none. But of course that's all speculation, just some thoughts I'm having. DT should probably check Xelin. Even though it might be nothing, Brownbear's accidental tell might actually be suggesting something. On October 07 2010 09:18 LSB wrote: Divinek is being pretty active Pandian is writing weird stories again. That probably means he's Red or Blue Bum says he's going on VI watch, that would be something Mafia would like to get recognized as Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 08:21 Bill Murray wrote: At a glance, I see that people have been editing. I am not a fan of that. I see DoctorH is being active. That may or may not be a good thing. I am going to go read the thread and get off the inactive list. I'll make an informed post in a moment... possibly an hour. Could someone tell me a bit more? Then again, DoctorH hasn't played for a while, so maybe his reentry means that he's willing to put in more effort As for the Newcomers, I haven't read much, but it should be pretty easy to tell if one of them is Green. Are any of them superactive? Lastly, Someone go Protect/Investigate Xelin. Brownbear just told us straight out that he's Red or Blue And what does this post do? You repeat stuff, don't give opinion, and speculation. Nothing full of content. And fyi, I always write stories. See: my first game! I'll start the analysis by the end of the next day cycle. Expect to do some serious scum hunting. Right now I have a few suspects, but no real analysis as of now. But if I die I want you guys to look at some people in particular: 1.Infinite Story 2.Bumatlarge Also possibly a infun+dr. H connection. Just speculation n.n So, in conclusion: 1. Medics should protect who you think is going to get hit, people you think are blues, and people you think are innocent. In this case, even Xelin might be a good protection. 2.DT's should check some of the intresting people in this case. I would suggest checking either Dr. H or Xelin, or someone you think you have a real good read on. I have a sneaking suscipcion of Dr. H which as of now unverified but I shall delve into tommorow. 3.Protact once again proves that kitties want the downfall of mankind | ||
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Summary: Overall, BM, you have been unproductive, contradictory, blatantly obvious, using logical fallacies, and all the while under the protection of "I'm BM." Yet in the first post I quoted you said you only do the "one line spam" when your scum(or in this case VI) However, I do think there is a high chance of him being VI. Therefore, I propose we lynch someone else and vigi him tonight. Also, in the scenario in which he doesn't die, we lynch him. This way we get rid of all possible avenues. If he is VI, he will be killed unless mafia get a lucky roleblock(or unlucky, since they will lose next day) or a medic is really "interesting" and protects him. But that won't happen. If he is mafia, then he will either die or be lynched tommorow. If he is town, he will just die. But in the scenario he is either GF or we have no vigi, I also propose we vote double Lynch for tommorow, for him and another person, or just 2 new suspects. I feel we will have far enough evidence to analyze. I believe I have shown sufficient proof of BM being anti town, and urge you all to consider and comment. I will tackle the "Oh BM always does this" by analyzing his posts in previous games as mafia and town. Hopefully that will be done by tommorow at the VERY latest, hopefully by today. His posts this game: On September 13 2010 00:48 Bill Murray wrote: I could agree somewhat, though I am actually quite terrible at scum, now, due to my town game improving a little. My scum game is still primarily one-liner-esque, whereas my blue/green game has ascended to being more content-oriented. Pre game. Note this very much. Now, in Team Melee Mafia Bill Murray actually made some sense and had decent sized posts, and definitely didn't spam. In his own words, he's playing his own scum game. On October 05 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote: I'm here. I just started my first day of work, so I don't know if I'll be able to be as active as I have in the past. Haven't gotten to read the thread yet, as I just worked a twelve hour day, but I promise I'll make an informed post tomorrow. Basically the only post in day 1. RL issues can occur, but note that he's just making an excuse for inactivity. Now, I believe that he had RL stuff for a number of reasons: 1.If we were going after inactives, why would he seem so inactive? Even though he has an excuse, it might've been better for a full post. So slightly unlikely. 2.His mafia brothers probably would have been like "OMG BM HURRY UP AND POST SO THEY DONT LYNCH YOU." Note that this whole post and its explanation revolve around wifom, but I believe logical wifom. Obviously does not clear him, however. On October 06 2010 08:21 Bill Murray wrote: At a glance, I see that people have been editing. I am not a fan of that. I see DoctorH is being active. That may or may not be a good thing. I am going to go read the thread and get off the inactive list. I'll make an informed post in a moment... possibly an hour. *yawn* Says nothing, but its alright, as long as he makes a great post right? On October 06 2010 09:18 Bill Murray wrote: i like this kingjames guy. i'm also happy with amber and pandain so far. BAD! BAD BILL MURRAY! What is this? He gives three opinions in one sentence without backing any of it up. How is he happy with amber or I? Why does he like kingjames? Posting without content, its the same as voting without a reason. Both scum like. On October 06 2010 09:19 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 05:40 meeple wrote: On October 06 2010 05:27 Pandain wrote: I don't count Cynan as inactive and Nobody should vote for him because his actions thus far are in accordance with his previous play. That's not to say I'm not watching him(I am) but he's not that suspicious to me. Whoa whoa... weird defense of cynan... the votes against him were just to bump him back into posting... which he did, so those should eventually fade away to other, more suitable targets. However, he's definitely not in enough danger for another townie to worry about him getting the chop. This makes a lot more sense if you're an anxious red protecting your buddy... I did pick up on that, but Pandain could just as easily be a Detective trying to defend someone, or a townie with a loud mouth. Doesn't make sense, first of all if I am a detective I wouldn't know yet(can't check.) On October 06 2010 09:34 Bill Murray wrote: first off: @NukeTheBunnys, do you even read the thread? Show nested quote + On October 05 2010 13:03 Misder wrote: On October 05 2010 12:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'd rather you post your suspects now Mr. Misder? What if mafia slay you at night? =/ I think I rather wait. First, my suspicions aren't really big; they could be comepletely wrong, and I don't really have strong evidence. Plus, I'm still looking at different play styles from previous games. Second, this way, the mafia doesn't know whether I'm right or wrong, so if they really are scared, they're going to have to kill me If you guys really want, I'll post my suspicions, maybe to generate discussion or something on day 1. Which reminds me, how do we decide which inactive to lynch? Buddying. At least to me it is. Admittedly, Mafia buddy town all the time, but if Misder flips scum so will ~OpZ~. Therefore, I am considering voting Misder. To all the people hunting for the DT, posting about "strategy" in relation to lynches, and cluttering up the thread with speculation and policy: most of you will be the M words of mafia. I'm talking to you, Amber, Protactinium, Misder, Happy.Fairytaile, ~OpZ~, SouthRawrea, and Crisis_ Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 07:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On October 06 2010 07:49 ghrur wrote: Speaking of lynching, I strongly suggest against group voting, or in other words Don't agree to bandwagon onto a random vote Don't agree to use individual RNGs and votes If we bandwagon onto a random vote, how can we know if the person voting is or isn't mafia? If we use a RNG, how can we be sure Mafia isn't rigging the votes and using the RNG as an out? Also, once again, I'm against voting an inactive so early on because A. They could get modkilled. Do we want to waste a lynch? B. Does it put pressure on them if they can't see the votes due to a busy schedule? C. Inactives could be very helpful later on. D. Mafia hardly ever hides in inactives. Personally, I'll probably read through the voting thread later and see who votes what and let that influence my choice because I'm still new. xD Learning how a veteran votes could be helpful! This is a good point. I'm using JeeJee as a placeholder for now but we need to look for someone who has posted in the thread but said almost nothing and has avoided participating in real discussion. Usually inexperienced mafia players are afraid to get involved in discussion because they fear they will incriminate themselves so they just mindlessly agree with other players or say things that have already been said a million times. After re-reading the thread the two best fits for that profile seem to be NukeTheBunnys and Crisis_ I'm keeping JeeJee as a placeholder for now. I'd like to see a stronger case from Pandain for the lynching of Infund, most likely I will switch my vote to crisis or nukethebunnys. Furthermore, I like this post. It shows that DoctorH and I are on the same page. I am not sure as to his role, but I am pretty sure he is Town. Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 09:25 Protactinium wrote: On October 06 2010 09:19 Bill Murray wrote: On October 06 2010 05:40 meeple wrote: On October 06 2010 05:27 Pandain wrote: I don't count Cynan as inactive and Nobody should vote for him because his actions thus far are in accordance with his previous play. That's not to say I'm not watching him(I am) but he's not that suspicious to me. Whoa whoa... weird defense of cynan... the votes against him were just to bump him back into posting... which he did, so those should eventually fade away to other, more suitable targets. However, he's definitely not in enough danger for another townie to worry about him getting the chop. This makes a lot more sense if you're an anxious red protecting your buddy... I did pick up on that, but Pandain could just as easily be a Detective trying to defend someone, or a townie with a loud mouth. Why would a Detective defend on Day 1, especially since they can't start investigating till Night 2? Townie with loud mouth. Thoughts in a bit, busy now. Detectives typically defend people they find to be town. Combine that with his beating himself up over changing his vote to OpZ, your fishing for why I feel he's DT (when you know my actions are money as fuck), your DT fishing on your own earlier in the thread, and I present to you Bill Murray's first mafia catch of the game: Protactinium. Points: 1) as seen from the TL Mafia game I hosted, he is fitting in with his mafia meta. He makes huge "pro-town" posts as mafia. As town he is way more argumentative. I can provide the difference, but I would have to indicate who he is. 2) he is a fucking smurf who has another name on this site 3) He was fishing for the DT and "discussing" who the DT was, how to find him, and what he should do 4) He was curious as to how I knew Pandain was the DT when he knows I am a good player vote to lynch protactinium Here is his long "informed" post. Couple of things to note: 1.He says Dr. H is probably town. Compare this with his recent accusation of him, along with opz and BC. Now, opinions can change, so I'll have more to say as I review more posts. 2. A series of logical fallacies and random conclusions from facts. On October 06 2010 09:34 Bill Murray wrote: first off: @NukeTheBunnys, do you even read the thread? Show nested quote + On October 05 2010 13:03 Misder wrote: On October 05 2010 12:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'd rather you post your suspects now Mr. Misder? What if mafia slay you at night? =/ I think I rather wait. First, my suspicions aren't really big; they could be comepletely wrong, and I don't really have strong evidence. Plus, I'm still looking at different play styles from previous games. Second, this way, the mafia doesn't know whether I'm right or wrong, so if they really are scared, they're going to have to kill me If you guys really want, I'll post my suspicions, maybe to generate discussion or something on day 1. Which reminds me, how do we decide which inactive to lynch? Buddying. At least to me it is. Admittedly, Mafia buddy town all the time, but if Misder flips scum so will ~OpZ~. Therefore, I am considering voting Misder. Opz asked Misder to share his suspect list. Therefore, they are buddying and both mafia despite the fact Opz has been suscipcious of Misder this whole game. Not logical. On October 06 2010 09:34 Bill Murray wrote: To all the people hunting for the DT, posting about "strategy" in relation to lynches, and cluttering up the thread with speculation and policy: most of you will be the M words of mafia. I'm talking to you, Amber, Protactinium, Misder, Happy.Fairytaile, ~OpZ~, SouthRawrea, and Crisis_ Starts hatin' on the strategy and talking about policy, claiming they are "cluttering up the thread." Yet he spams just in the last 5 pages like cwazy. Also he tells them to stop hunting for the DT yet publicly announces I'm the DT. IN THE SAME POST! On October 06 2010 09:34 Bill Murray wrote: Points: 1) as seen from the TL Mafia game I hosted, he is fitting in with his mafia meta. He makes huge "pro-town" posts as mafia. As town he is way more argumentative. I can provide the difference, but I would have to indicate who he is. 2) he is a fucking smurf who has another name on this site 3) He was fishing for the DT and "discussing" who the DT was, how to find him, and what he should do 4) He was curious as to how I knew Pandain was the DT when he knows I am a good player vote to lynch protactinium His evidence against Proctatorium. Let's see his evidence against him: 1. Makes pro town posts 2.Smurf 3.Fishing for the DT(How? And you just claimed I'm the DT, yet bashed Proctat for "trying to find the DT and who he was." Utter hypocricy. 4.How would you know I'm DT? I am in utter shock how Protact got lynched. It was horrible, and should've ended the game if not for Brown Bear's mercy. All of these points are illogical and in error, to the extreme. Bill Murray knows better. Even though he may seem stupid and is sometimes illogical, he's not to this extreme. This is scum/VI BM. On October 06 2010 09:47 Bill Murray wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561 Protactinium is scum, guys, honestly Great evidence. Are you TRYING to get yourself lynched? Notice he's making so many logical fallacies. And noticable too. Recently he's just started random spamming and claiming to lynch people because they claimed "town". I'm so confused by him. On October 06 2010 10:11 Bill Murray wrote: OK. It's not fair. If I want to meta him, and provide both town and mafia games, I have to say who he is. That is NOT FAIR to me making a case on him. Alright, you were able to after a while. Where's your case? On October 06 2010 13:50 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I knew he was anti-town what do you all expect? lol *sighs* You claimed he was mafia(or one really good VI). We expected him not to be VI. For all purposes, BM got a townie lynched, not only that but a good one too. Mafia doesn't know who the VI is, so for all intents and purposes if mafia pushed forward this lynch it would be aimed at a very experienced town. Also notes he said he knew he was anti town, yet one of the reasons he voted for him was because he made pro town posts. What the fadoodle? On October 06 2010 14:02 Bill Murray wrote: if we're restarting, can i not be a townie? Two posts before the previous one here, Brownbear clearly said the game will not end. In fact, just after posting it, BM would've been able to see it. In fact, Brown bear responds to something else and BM responds to that. Note this was 5 minutes after Brownbear clearly said we were not restarting, and BM responded in between. So it's 100% certain BM knew the game would not end. So why would he claim town? 1.He's mafia 2.He's VI 3. He has a horrible disease which makes him have short term memory loss every 5 minutes. Bill Murray does not make sense. On October 06 2010 14:03 Bill Murray wrote: I am obviously tore up that I influenced the lynch of the village idiot, and though he is not-town, I feel bad for us as a whole. I had originally thought the game was going to end/restart, and that the roles had not gone out, to where it would be OK to edit. Sorry. For rizzles? Look back at that previous post my nizzle. Then start thinking out of your grizzle some more. Note he claims feeling bad for lynching him, yet now he proudly proclaims it. Contradictions everywhere, my friend. On October 06 2010 14:05 Bill Murray wrote: me stop spamming is like asking you to not be asian or smurf Remember that first post of yours? How you were becoming more content oriented and now only spammed as scum(or perhaps VI)? Eh? On October 06 2010 14:06 Bill Murray wrote: nighty night guys don't let the VIs bite Pure wifom and speculative, but I thought it might be interesting to note he said VIs instead of the singular VI. Implying theres more than one VI. Still, just wordplay analysis. + Show Spoiler + On October 07 2010 13:35 Bill Murray wrote: This shows to me that the person who is putting the hits in sucks at blue sniping. Let me decide who is high tier enough to call the shots yet not hit a blue. 1. LSB 3. Bill Murray 4. Pandain 5. SouthRawrea 6. Amber[LighT] 7. Infundibulum 8. Divinek 9. Misder 10.SINiquity 11.XeliN 12.RebirthOfLegend 13.~OpZ~ 14.DoctorHelvetica 15.infinitestory 16.cSc ->17. 18.NukeTheBunnys 19.Crisis_ 20.drag_ 21.CynanMachae 22.meeple 23.kingjames01 24.ghrur Doing an iso on slot 17 Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 14:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok Medics, here is how the game should be played tonight. Make a list of people you think are innocent. Now, it has to be a list of a few people. ANALYZE them every day to make sure they don't change from town to scummy in your eyes, and prot them, non stop or until we have a better idea. If anyone who pushed for flamewheels lynch is on your list, slap yourself really hard and remake your list. As for the rest of the town. Take the time now to either look at the name above or below you in the list, and look over their posts and analyze them. Post that analysis in thread for debate. Lets get us some targets. Hell after this day there is a ton of crap to look through. I have viewed this post as gloating, and rolefishing. Why would BloodyC0bbler have reason to be fishing for a medic? Consider the fact that Happy.Fairytale was spouting babble about the DT, and I am very happy voting to lynch slot 17 which was Happy.Fairytale and is now BloodyC0bbler. Posts 234/235 by Happy.Fairytale were posts to fake being useful to the town Post 255 is him fishing for Detectives through number "analysis" Post 257 by Happy.Fairytale: Please read this+ Show Spoiler + On October 05 2010 23:19 Happy.fairytail wrote: Yeah, I'm pretty concerned that we could potentially have 8 mod deaths by the end of today. (Not worried about Bill Murray and Cynan, it seems they're around and will post in time) Also, in terms of accusations, I think we should start now. We only have 14 hours before the day ends, so we should give a few hours to accusations, a few hours to defending, a few hours to some townsperson deliberation, and a few hours to vote. So inactives, now is the time for you guys to start speaking up. I'm going to point out JeeJee just 'cuz he's at the top of the inactive list, and I know he's around because I just checked his post history and his last post was 10 hrs ago (13:09 TL time). So speak up man. This shows that he is just talking for the sake of talking. This makes the second time in a row he has posted right after his original post. If he was town, he would only need one really lengthy post, or a string of spam. I believe he is putting on a false face. I hope that you all will be convinced of Happy.Fairytale/BloodyC0bbler (remember, they're the same person as the slot) being scum. BC's play is a LOT weaker as scum based upon meta, and his play this game is so weak I wasn't even sure he was even IN the game. Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 21:21 Happy.fairytail wrote: shoot, I didn't vote last night ... worked all night yesterday and fell asleep with the lights on and everything. am I mod killed? =T (gonna read the last 12 pages of posts now) Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 21:56 Happy.fairytail wrote: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I had all this analysis done on this awesome spreadsheet, setting up profiles of every single person ... arghhhhhhhhhhhhfahsofuiaw8efu9anh7q23984nvpauilfjvo;uw3avn78o3nvr8oPA*OVRNA@NV These two things are nearly an open contradiction. "I haven't read 12 pages" followed immediately by 35 minutes and then "I had all this analysis done on this awesome spreadsheet". BULLSHIT. Lynch BloodyC0bbler. Spoilered for your convienance. This whole post is interesting, so let's analyze it. "Let's see who is high tier enough to not hit a blue." Couple of things wrong with this: 1. Because they did not hit a blue, they are bad at blue sniping. False. 2. Because of this, they must be so high tier so they didn't hit a blue. False. Why the fadoodle would they not hit a blue? 3.BC would be high tier enough to not hit a blue. False. In BM's own game BC basically led the mafia, leading to blue snipe after blue snipe. As you may note we are seeing a series of logical fallacies and incorrect reasoning. To the extreme. Note the process above. It does not make sense at all. People may just say "Oh, he's BM and he's just stupid." But that's how he won penalty mafia, and if someone has gone to this extreme they are not pro town. Again he also claims BC is fishing for blues, yet what the frick? He is not at all. There is no way you could get that out of what Proctat was saying, or BC. He's being stupid, for the sake of being stupid. However, the contradiction is the (only) valuable part of this, and while interesting, is too easily explained by a myriad of what happened in RL, and we do not have happy tail with us. BM is proving far more interesting anyway. On October 07 2010 13:43 Bill Murray wrote: If you don't agree, I'm probably going to label you as scum. You are now approaching a conundrum, a twilight zone if you will. Do you bus your partner if you are scum in this situation? "Sure, Bill, BC is scum" when you know he is to build townie cred? I don't put it past you, and perhaps I shouldn't fill you in on the ability to do that as it can be a viable tactic, but here at TeamLiquid players are usually very loyal to their scumbuddies. Watch out how you respond to someone else's case, DoctorH. If you have something bad to say, it is usually better to not say anything at all. To Dr. H. Starts to insinuate he's scum on no basis. On October 07 2010 13:54 Bill Murray wrote: My analysis is seeing ~OpZ~, DoctorH, and BC as mafia My last analysis lynched an anti-town player. If I really "lost us the game", why is it still going? I just got a VI smurf out of the game. So much that's wrong with this. First of all, you should've lost us the game. You lynched a person that should've seemed pro town, but because your'e either scum or mafia you're playing stupid and spammy. Unfortunately, you got alot of new players to support you in day 1. This shall not happen again . Also still thinks Doctor H is mafia, despite nothing having changed from when he thought he was town. On October 07 2010 13:55 Bill Murray wrote: oh, wait, did I SAY TOWN? Right after a previous post. Stop trying to prove your' town by finding "tells" in YOUR OWN posts. Anyone knows this is pointless, so why are you doing it? Because you're mafia, or VI(mostly VI). On October 07 2010 13:58 Bill Murray wrote: lets have an open roleclaim. BC, you first. I'm town, but I'm not saying what at this point people can say "no, we shouldn't roleclaim, it is way too early". I just want people to claim town/townie, not what role they are. If I was mafia, I wouldn't have the balls to say this. This is too obvious to be the play of mafia. Lynch BC if I get mislynched. If he flips red, look at ~OpZ~ and DoctorH. If you all want to win, listen to me. Claim. I'm claiming town. We need to consolidate through claims. Trust me on this one, and we will have a good game. Stupid stupid stupid argument. Made up of wifom("If I was mafia I wouldn't have the balls to say this. This is too obvious."). Made up of stupidity(let's open roleclaim!) Made up of no content( Just trust me.) On October 07 2010 13:59 Bill Murray wrote: The fact I am pretty sure I know who 3 high-level mafia are Is that good enough for you? Do I need to be a martyr for the town to win? Make me a martyr, DoctorH, get me lynched so they can see I'm town. This post sets me off. It's like he's asking to be lynched. If he was town, why would he asked to be lynched? In addition, he can't know who the 3 mafia already are. He's asking Dr. H to lynch him(still think's hes mafia, remember that!). The only reason he would want that is if he is VI. On October 07 2010 14:05 Bill Murray wrote: we are getting EVERYONE to say they're town or whatever. If I flip, lynch BC/OpZ. DoctorH is possibly cleared. Oh, now he claims Doctor H might be cleared. Yet shouldn't his plan confirm or condemn them? On October 07 2010 14:09 Bill Murray wrote: I already got the VI lynched, and out of our hair. There is no way he put more than one. That would make the game very gay. He also wouldn't have said "protactinium is an amazing player" if there were a lot of them. I have a serious plan. Everyone needs to claim something in their next post. Don't use your blue role names, just say "town", unless you are a mad hatter with a bomb on BC In which case I can direct your next bomb. Hell, if you're a mad hatter, just claim to have a bomb on BC and we can roll with that role. I would be able to analyze and tell you who to put your next bomb on, especially if you are an inexperienced player who needs guidance. Fail logic. First off, he fishes for mad hatter(ACTUALLY does), outright saying "Just claim to me. Especially if you are inexpierenced and need guidance" Don't fall for this trick, new folk. Also, how the frick does Brownbear saying "Protact is an amazing player" make there be only one VI. Right now BM is just trying to use a tactic I call "Appeal to Impulse". This is where he says a point, attempts to get someone to do something, and quickly before anyone can really talk about it. Here he's just spamming "everyone claim now! Next post! Do it!" Also, note in his plan Blues would also put "Town" or "townie". OF course, according to Opz Artanis sent him Townie. But don't claim this plan means he's town, it catches the blues as well. And now he has been trying to convince the new people to claim as soon as possible. When I say claim, note I don't just mean the role claim. By claiming, BM the Scum would know if they were blue as well IF he trusted the majority. From there he could work out the blues. For he himself wouldn't know the exact wording if he was scum. Really the only reason he would start to begin such an insane plan is if he knew it was stupid, he knew it would cause controversy. He's red or VI. The plan should be discarded. We can analyze it for why it would've been sent out, but please not how people respond. And according to Opz, theres more than one way people got it. So it's really useless. Most importantly, it ruins the spirit of the game, and makes babies go berserk when they see it and go emo later in life. Now begins the mass use of "Appeal to Impulse" + Show Spoiler + On October 07 2010 14:10 Bill Murray wrote: ~OpZ~ you're playing well, I'll admit that, but you are better as mafia than BC. You are Town, right? I'm Town. Honest. Appeal to impulse gogogogogogogooggo On October 07 2010 14:22 Bill Murray wrote: I lynched an anti-town role. Are you dumb? Are you town or not? Claim something. Claim Town/Townie/MadHatter with a bomb on BC plz Appeal to impulse gogogogogogogogogogo On October 07 2010 14:23 Bill Murray wrote: Pretty sure ~OpZ~ is mafia OpZ, claim something bro Appeal to impulse gogogogogogogogogogo On October 07 2010 14:25 Bill Murray wrote: ~OpZ~ claim something Are you Town/Townie? pick one Gogogogogogogogogogogoggogogogogogo On October 07 2010 14:31 Bill Murray wrote: no doctorh is fine you, however, are not claim gogogogogogogogogogogogogog On October 07 2010 14:32 Bill Murray wrote: go read your role PM opz are you a town or are you a townie? gogogogogogogogogogogogo On October 07 2010 14:32 Bill Murray wrote: are you a hatter? *starts panting* Go.go.go.gogogogoogo *breathes* On October 07 2010 14:32 Bill Murray wrote: just go read your role pm and tell me if you are town *panting, deep breathes* go.....go....go.....go.... On October 07 2010 14:32 Bill Murray wrote: it's red, isn't it? random speculation yay On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote: Furthermore, James, you need to claim Town/Townie go..............go.......*very faint* On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote: You, too, infinitestory. .................................g.g...g.(can't finish) On October 07 2010 14:49 Bill Murray wrote: that someone is you. Happy.Fairytale is you. Are you disputing that? you replaced into his slot. That's you. Deal with it. I'm not going to stop spamming until you claim either a) town b) townie c) you don't claim and we lynch you to see what you'll flip *looks with open mouth, sweat everywhere, can't say anymore* On October 07 2010 14:51 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2010 14:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On October 07 2010 14:47 Bill Murray wrote: don't forget to read your role pms You too dude, you have to relook to realize "massive troll" isn't a real role. funny guy town or townie? On October 07 2010 14:51 Bill Murray wrote: which did you pick as your godfather fakerole, BC? Town or Townie? *dead* Now, after all that we see he reveals his"Majestic plan" On October 07 2010 14:57 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2010 14:53 ~OpZ~ wrote: On October 07 2010 14:49 infinitestory wrote: On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote: You, too, infinitestory. I claim town. I have no idea where you could possibly be going with this. DO NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTION FOR TOWN/TOWNIE. HE IS ASKING YOU BLUE/GREEN He's trying to get out who is blue/green so mafia can blue snipe. ok, here is our lynch for today opz fell right into my trap town = green in this game. Show nested quote + On October 07 2010 14:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On October 07 2010 14:53 ~OpZ~ wrote: On October 07 2010 14:49 infinitestory wrote: On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote: You, too, infinitestory. I claim town. I have no idea where you could possibly be going with this. DO NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTION FOR TOWN/TOWNIE. HE IS ASKING YOU BLUE/GREEN He's trying to get out who is blue/green so mafia can blue snipe. Except any smart green would soft claim blue to fuck with the mafia. Every VI will claim something to get lynched. He is fishing, but he knows anyone smart won't fall for it. Hence him spamming our posts out of existence. OH, you just fell for it TOO LOL EBWOP FOR THE WIN I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM AMAZING AT MAFIA LOL BC AND OPZ JUST GOT OWNED. From the OP: Show nested quote + Green Citizen (Town) You are the average schmuck who makes up the backbone of the town side. You have no special powers except voting, but you are the silent majority. Enjoy that feeling for a moment. Enjoy it. Yeah, you all know what Town does at this point. Vote by day, stay at home and wet themselves by night. GREEN = TOWN BC + OPZ DONT REALIZE BC + OPZ = MAFIA GG. I''m sorry, but this plan is and was horrible, and disproved because it was revealed people were sent town or townie. In addition, you're giving mafia a 50% chance of getting it "right"(which turned out to be either). I won't comment anymore because of what Brownbear said. But seriously, I'm disgusted. I'm not usually this strong about an issue, but this ruins the spirit of the game. And I'm saddened with myself that I even have to comment this much into viewing why you might propose it, however far away from actually comparing pms might be. It's a good plan, but against the spirit of the game. | ||
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On October 08 2010 06:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On October 08 2010 05:42 Pandain wrote: An Analysis of Bill Murray: Summary: Overall, BM, you have been unproductive, contradictory, blatantly obvious, using logical fallacies, and all the while under the protection of "I'm BM." Yet in the first post I quoted you said you only do the "one line spam" when your scum(or in this case VI) However, I do think there is a high chance of him being VI. Therefore, I propose we lynch someone else and vigi him tonight. Also, in the scenario in which he doesn't die, we lynch him. This way we get rid of all possible avenues. If he is VI, he will be killed unless mafia get a lucky roleblock(or unlucky, since they will lose next day) or a medic is really "interesting" and protects him. But that won't happen. If he is mafia, then he will either die or be lynched tommorow. If he is town, he will just die. But in the scenario he is either GF or we have no vigi, I also propose we vote double Lynch for tommorow, for him and another person, or just 2 new suspects. I feel we will have far enough evidence to analyze. I believe I have shown sufficient proof of BM being anti town, and urge you all to consider and comment. I will tackle the "Oh BM always does this" by analyzing his posts in previous games as mafia and town. Hopefully that will be done by tommorow at the VERY latest, hopefully by today. His posts this game: On September 13 2010 00:48 Bill Murray wrote: I could agree somewhat, though I am actually quite terrible at scum, now, due to my town game improving a little. My scum game is still primarily one-liner-esque, whereas my blue/green game has ascended to being more content-oriented. Pre game. Note this very much. Now, in Team Melee Mafia Bill Murray actually made some sense and had decent sized posts, and definitely didn't spam. In his own words, he's playing his own scum game. On October 05 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote: I'm here. I just started my first day of work, so I don't know if I'll be able to be as active as I have in the past. Haven't gotten to read the thread yet, as I just worked a twelve hour day, but I promise I'll make an informed post tomorrow. Basically the only post in day 1. RL issues can occur, but note that he's just making an excuse for inactivity. Now, I believe that he had RL stuff for a number of reasons: 1.If we were going after inactives, why would he seem so inactive? Even though he has an excuse, it might've been better for a full post. So slightly unlikely. 2.His mafia brothers probably would have been like "OMG BM HURRY UP AND POST SO THEY DONT LYNCH YOU." Note that this whole post and its explanation revolve around wifom, but I believe logical wifom. Obviously does not clear him, however. On October 06 2010 08:21 Bill Murray wrote: At a glance, I see that people have been editing. I am not a fan of that. I see DoctorH is being active. That may or may not be a good thing. I am going to go read the thread and get off the inactive list. I'll make an informed post in a moment... possibly an hour. *yawn* Says nothing, but its alright, as long as he makes a great post right? On October 06 2010 09:18 Bill Murray wrote: i like this kingjames guy. i'm also happy with amber and pandain so far. BAD! BAD BILL MURRAY! What is this? He gives three opinions in one sentence without backing any of it up. How is he happy with amber or I? Why does he like kingjames? Posting without content, its the same as voting without a reason. Both scum like. On October 06 2010 09:19 Bill Murray wrote: On October 06 2010 05:40 meeple wrote: On October 06 2010 05:27 Pandain wrote: I don't count Cynan as inactive and Nobody should vote for him because his actions thus far are in accordance with his previous play. That's not to say I'm not watching him(I am) but he's not that suspicious to me. Whoa whoa... weird defense of cynan... the votes against him were just to bump him back into posting... which he did, so those should eventually fade away to other, more suitable targets. However, he's definitely not in enough danger for another townie to worry about him getting the chop. This makes a lot more sense if you're an anxious red protecting your buddy... I did pick up on that, but Pandain could just as easily be a Detective trying to defend someone, or a townie with a loud mouth. Doesn't make sense, first of all if I am a detective I wouldn't know yet(can't check.) On October 06 2010 09:34 Bill Murray wrote: first off: @NukeTheBunnys, do you even read the thread? On October 05 2010 13:03 Misder wrote: On October 05 2010 12:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'd rather you post your suspects now Mr. Misder? What if mafia slay you at night? =/ I think I rather wait. First, my suspicions aren't really big; they could be comepletely wrong, and I don't really have strong evidence. Plus, I'm still looking at different play styles from previous games. Second, this way, the mafia doesn't know whether I'm right or wrong, so if they really are scared, they're going to have to kill me If you guys really want, I'll post my suspicions, maybe to generate discussion or something on day 1. Which reminds me, how do we decide which inactive to lynch? Buddying. At least to me it is. Admittedly, Mafia buddy town all the time, but if Misder flips scum so will ~OpZ~. Therefore, I am considering voting Misder. To all the people hunting for the DT, posting about "strategy" in relation to lynches, and cluttering up the thread with speculation and policy: most of you will be the M words of mafia. I'm talking to you, Amber, Protactinium, Misder, Happy.Fairytaile, ~OpZ~, SouthRawrea, and Crisis_ On October 06 2010 07:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On October 06 2010 07:49 ghrur wrote: Speaking of lynching, I strongly suggest against group voting, or in other words Don't agree to bandwagon onto a random vote Don't agree to use individual RNGs and votes If we bandwagon onto a random vote, how can we know if the person voting is or isn't mafia? If we use a RNG, how can we be sure Mafia isn't rigging the votes and using the RNG as an out? Also, once again, I'm against voting an inactive so early on because A. They could get modkilled. Do we want to waste a lynch? B. Does it put pressure on them if they can't see the votes due to a busy schedule? C. Inactives could be very helpful later on. D. Mafia hardly ever hides in inactives. Personally, I'll probably read through the voting thread later and see who votes what and let that influence my choice because I'm still new. xD Learning how a veteran votes could be helpful! This is a good point. I'm using JeeJee as a placeholder for now but we need to look for someone who has posted in the thread but said almost nothing and has avoided participating in real discussion. Usually inexperienced mafia players are afraid to get involved in discussion because they fear they will incriminate themselves so they just mindlessly agree with other players or say things that have already been said a million times. After re-reading the thread the two best fits for that profile seem to be NukeTheBunnys and Crisis_ I'm keeping JeeJee as a placeholder for now. I'd like to see a stronger case from Pandain for the lynching of Infund, most likely I will switch my vote to crisis or nukethebunnys. Furthermore, I like this post. It shows that DoctorH and I are on the same page. I am not sure as to his role, but I am pretty sure he is Town. On October 06 2010 09:25 Protactinium wrote: On October 06 2010 09:19 Bill Murray wrote: On October 06 2010 05:40 meeple wrote: On October 06 2010 05:27 Pandain wrote: I don't count Cynan as inactive and Nobody should vote for him because his actions thus far are in accordance with his previous play. That's not to say I'm not watching him(I am) but he's not that suspicious to me. Whoa whoa... weird defense of cynan... the votes against him were just to bump him back into posting... which he did, so those should eventually fade away to other, more suitable targets. However, he's definitely not in enough danger for another townie to worry about him getting the chop. This makes a lot more sense if you're an anxious red protecting your buddy... I did pick up on that, but Pandain could just as easily be a Detective trying to defend someone, or a townie with a loud mouth. Why would a Detective defend on Day 1, especially since they can't start investigating till Night 2? Townie with loud mouth. Thoughts in a bit, busy now. Detectives typically defend people they find to be town. Combine that with his beating himself up over changing his vote to OpZ, your fishing for why I feel he's DT (when you know my actions are money as fuck), your DT fishing on your own earlier in the thread, and I present to you Bill Murray's first mafia catch of the game: Protactinium. Points: 1) as seen from the TL Mafia game I hosted, he is fitting in with his mafia meta. He makes huge "pro-town" posts as mafia. As town he is way more argumentative. I can provide the difference, but I would have to indicate who he is. 2) he is a fucking smurf who has another name on this site 3) He was fishing for the DT and "discussing" who the DT was, how to find him, and what he should do 4) He was curious as to how I knew Pandain was the DT when he knows I am a good player vote to lynch protactinium Here is his long "informed" post. Couple of things to note: 1.He says Dr. H is probably town. Compare this with his recent accusation of him, along with opz and BC. Now, opinions can change, so I'll have more to say as I review more posts. 2. A series of logical fallacies and random conclusions from facts. On October 06 2010 09:34 Bill Murray wrote: first off: @NukeTheBunnys, do you even read the thread? On October 05 2010 13:03 Misder wrote: On October 05 2010 12:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'd rather you post your suspects now Mr. Misder? What if mafia slay you at night? =/ I think I rather wait. First, my suspicions aren't really big; they could be comepletely wrong, and I don't really have strong evidence. Plus, I'm still looking at different play styles from previous games. Second, this way, the mafia doesn't know whether I'm right or wrong, so if they really are scared, they're going to have to kill me If you guys really want, I'll post my suspicions, maybe to generate discussion or something on day 1. Which reminds me, how do we decide which inactive to lynch? Buddying. At least to me it is. Admittedly, Mafia buddy town all the time, but if Misder flips scum so will ~OpZ~. Therefore, I am considering voting Misder. Opz asked Misder to share his suspect list. Therefore, they are buddying and both mafia despite the fact Opz has been suscipcious of Misder this whole game. Not logical. On October 06 2010 09:34 Bill Murray wrote: To all the people hunting for the DT, posting about "strategy" in relation to lynches, and cluttering up the thread with speculation and policy: most of you will be the M words of mafia. I'm talking to you, Amber, Protactinium, Misder, Happy.Fairytaile, ~OpZ~, SouthRawrea, and Crisis_ Starts hatin' on the strategy and talking about policy, claiming they are "cluttering up the thread." Yet he spams just in the last 5 pages like cwazy. Also he tells them to stop hunting for the DT yet publicly announces I'm the DT. IN THE SAME POST! On October 06 2010 09:34 Bill Murray wrote: Points: 1) as seen from the TL Mafia game I hosted, he is fitting in with his mafia meta. He makes huge "pro-town" posts as mafia. As town he is way more argumentative. I can provide the difference, but I would have to indicate who he is. 2) he is a fucking smurf who has another name on this site 3) He was fishing for the DT and "discussing" who the DT was, how to find him, and what he should do 4) He was curious as to how I knew Pandain was the DT when he knows I am a good player vote to lynch protactinium His evidence against Proctatorium. Let's see his evidence against him: 1. Makes pro town posts 2.Smurf 3.Fishing for the DT(How? And you just claimed I'm the DT, yet bashed Proctat for "trying to find the DT and who he was." Utter hypocricy. 4.How would you know I'm DT? I am in utter shock how Protact got lynched. It was horrible, and should've ended the game if not for Brown Bear's mercy. All of these points are illogical and in error, to the extreme. Bill Murray knows better. Even though he may seem stupid and is sometimes illogical, he's not to this extreme. This is scum/VI BM. On October 06 2010 09:47 Bill Murray wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561 Protactinium is scum, guys, honestly Great evidence. Are you TRYING to get yourself lynched? Notice he's making so many logical fallacies. And noticable too. Recently he's just started random spamming and claiming to lynch people because they claimed "town". I'm so confused by him. On October 06 2010 10:11 Bill Murray wrote: OK. It's not fair. If I want to meta him, and provide both town and mafia games, I have to say who he is. That is NOT FAIR to me making a case on him. Alright, you were able to after a while. Where's your case? On October 06 2010 13:50 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I knew he was anti-town what do you all expect? lol *sighs* You claimed he was mafia(or one really good VI). We expected him not to be VI. For all purposes, BM got a townie lynched, not only that but a good one too. Mafia doesn't know who the VI is, so for all intents and purposes if mafia pushed forward this lynch it would be aimed at a very experienced town. Also notes he said he knew he was anti town, yet one of the reasons he voted for him was because he made pro town posts. What the fadoodle? On October 06 2010 14:02 Bill Murray wrote: if we're restarting, can i not be a townie? Two posts before the previous one here, Brownbear clearly said the game will not end. In fact, just after posting it, BM would've been able to see it. In fact, Brown bear responds to something else and BM responds to that. Note this was 5 minutes after Brownbear clearly said we were not restarting, and BM responded in between. So it's 100% certain BM knew the game would not end. So why would he claim town? 1.He's mafia 2.He's VI 3. He has a horrible disease which makes him have short term memory loss every 5 minutes. Bill Murray does not make sense. On October 06 2010 14:03 Bill Murray wrote: I am obviously tore up that I influenced the lynch of the village idiot, and though he is not-town, I feel bad for us as a whole. I had originally thought the game was going to end/restart, and that the roles had not gone out, to where it would be OK to edit. Sorry. For rizzles? Look back at that previous post my nizzle. Then start thinking out of your grizzle some more. Note he claims feeling bad for lynching him, yet now he proudly proclaims it. Contradictions everywhere, my friend. On October 06 2010 14:05 Bill Murray wrote: me stop spamming is like asking you to not be asian or smurf Remember that first post of yours? How you were becoming more content oriented and now only spammed as scum(or perhaps VI)? Eh? On October 06 2010 14:06 Bill Murray wrote: nighty night guys don't let the VIs bite Pure wifom and speculative, but I thought it might be interesting to note he said VIs instead of the singular VI. Implying theres more than one VI. Still, just wordplay analysis. + Show Spoiler + On October 07 2010 13:35 Bill Murray wrote: This shows to me that the person who is putting the hits in sucks at blue sniping. Let me decide who is high tier enough to call the shots yet not hit a blue. 1. LSB 3. Bill Murray 4. Pandain 5. SouthRawrea 6. Amber[LighT] 7. Infundibulum 8. Divinek 9. Misder 10.SINiquity 11.XeliN 12.RebirthOfLegend 13.~OpZ~ 14.DoctorHelvetica 15.infinitestory 16.cSc ->17. 18.NukeTheBunnys 19.Crisis_ 20.drag_ 21.CynanMachae 22.meeple 23.kingjames01 24.ghrur Doing an iso on slot 17 Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 14:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok Medics, here is how the game should be played tonight. Make a list of people you think are innocent. Now, it has to be a list of a few people. ANALYZE them every day to make sure they don't change from town to scummy in your eyes, and prot them, non stop or until we have a better idea. If anyone who pushed for flamewheels lynch is on your list, slap yourself really hard and remake your list. As for the rest of the town. Take the time now to either look at the name above or below you in the list, and look over their posts and analyze them. Post that analysis in thread for debate. Lets get us some targets. Hell after this day there is a ton of crap to look through. I have viewed this post as gloating, and rolefishing. Why would BloodyC0bbler have reason to be fishing for a medic? Consider the fact that Happy.Fairytale was spouting babble about the DT, and I am very happy voting to lynch slot 17 which was Happy.Fairytale and is now BloodyC0bbler. Posts 234/235 by Happy.Fairytale were posts to fake being useful to the town Post 255 is him fishing for Detectives through number "analysis" Post 257 by Happy.Fairytale: Please read this+ Show Spoiler + On October 05 2010 23:19 Happy.fairytail wrote: Yeah, I'm pretty concerned that we could potentially have 8 mod deaths by the end of today. (Not worried about Bill Murray and Cynan, it seems they're around and will post in time) Also, in terms of accusations, I think we should start now. We only have 14 hours before the day ends, so we should give a few hours to accusations, a few hours to defending, a few hours to some townsperson deliberation, and a few hours to vote. So inactives, now is the time for you guys to start speaking up. I'm going to point out JeeJee just 'cuz he's at the top of the inactive list, and I know he's around because I just checked his post history and his last post was 10 hrs ago (13:09 TL time). So speak up man. This shows that he is just talking for the sake of talking. This makes the second time in a row he has posted right after his original post. If he was town, he would only need one really lengthy post, or a string of spam. I believe he is putting on a false face. I hope that you all will be convinced of Happy.Fairytale/BloodyC0bbler (remember, they're the same person as the slot) being scum. BC's play is a LOT weaker as scum based upon meta, and his play this game is so weak I wasn't even sure he was even IN the game. Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 21:21 Happy.fairytail wrote: shoot, I didn't vote last night ... worked all night yesterday and fell asleep with the lights on and everything. am I mod killed? =T (gonna read the last 12 pages of posts now) Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 21:56 Happy.fairytail wrote: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I had all this analysis done on this awesome spreadsheet, setting up profiles of every single person ... arghhhhhhhhhhhhfahsofuiaw8efu9anh7q23984nvpauilfjvo;uw3avn78o3nvr8oPA*OVRNA@NV These two things are nearly an open contradiction. "I haven't read 12 pages" followed immediately by 35 minutes and then "I had all this analysis done on this awesome spreadsheet". BULLSHIT. Lynch BloodyC0bbler. Spoilered for your convienance. This whole post is interesting, so let's analyze it. "Let's see who is high tier enough to not hit a blue." Couple of things wrong with this: 1. Because they did not hit a blue, they are bad at blue sniping. False. 2. Because of this, they must be so high tier so they didn't hit a blue. False. Why the fadoodle would they not hit a blue? 3.BC would be high tier enough to not hit a blue. False. In BM's own game BC basically led the mafia, leading to blue snipe after blue snipe. As you may note we are seeing a series of logical fallacies and incorrect reasoning. To the extreme. Note the process above. It does not make sense at all. People may just say "Oh, he's BM and he's just stupid." But that's how he won penalty mafia, and if someone has gone to this extreme they are not pro town. Again he also claims BC is fishing for blues, yet what the frick? He is not at all. There is no way you could get that out of what Proctat was saying, or BC. He's being stupid, for the sake of being stupid. However, the contradiction is the (only) valuable part of this, and while interesting, is too easily explained by a myriad of what happened in RL, and we do not have happy tail with us. BM is proving far more interesting anyway. On October 07 2010 13:43 Bill Murray wrote: If you don't agree, I'm probably going to label you as scum. You are now approaching a conundrum, a twilight zone if you will. Do you bus your partner if you are scum in this situation? "Sure, Bill, BC is scum" when you know he is to build townie cred? I don't put it past you, and perhaps I shouldn't fill you in on the ability to do that as it can be a viable tactic, but here at TeamLiquid players are usually very loyal to their scumbuddies. Watch out how you respond to someone else's case, DoctorH. If you have something bad to say, it is usually better to not say anything at all. To Dr. H. Starts to insinuate he's scum on no basis. On October 07 2010 13:54 Bill Murray wrote: My analysis is seeing ~OpZ~, DoctorH, and BC as mafia My last analysis lynched an anti-town player. If I really "lost us the game", why is it still going? I just got a VI smurf out of the game. So much that's wrong with this. First of all, you should've lost us the game. You lynched a person that should've seemed pro town, but because your'e either scum or mafia you're playing stupid and spammy. Unfortunately, you got alot of new players to support you in day 1. This shall not happen again . Also still thinks Doctor H is mafia, despite nothing having changed from when he thought he was town. On October 07 2010 13:55 Bill Murray wrote: oh, wait, did I SAY TOWN? Right after a previous post. Stop trying to prove your' town by finding "tells" in YOUR OWN posts. Anyone knows this is pointless, so why are you doing it? Because you're mafia, or VI(mostly VI). On October 07 2010 13:58 Bill Murray wrote: lets have an open roleclaim. BC, you first. I'm town, but I'm not saying what at this point people can say "no, we shouldn't roleclaim, it is way too early". I just want people to claim town/townie, not what role they are. If I was mafia, I wouldn't have the balls to say this. This is too obvious to be the play of mafia. Lynch BC if I get mislynched. If he flips red, look at ~OpZ~ and DoctorH. If you all want to win, listen to me. Claim. I'm claiming town. We need to consolidate through claims. Trust me on this one, and we will have a good game. Stupid stupid stupid argument. Made up of wifom("If I was mafia I wouldn't have the balls to say this. This is too obvious."). Made up of stupidity(let's open roleclaim!) Made up of no content( Just trust me.) On October 07 2010 13:59 Bill Murray wrote: do you have any reason as to why medics shouldn't follow his advice? The fact I am pretty sure I know who 3 high-level mafia are Is that good enough for you? Do I need to be a martyr for the town to win? Make me a martyr, DoctorH, get me lynched so they can see I'm town. This post sets me off. It's like he's asking to be lynched. If he was town, why would he asked to be lynched? In addition, he can't know who the 3 mafia already are. He's asking Dr. H to lynch him(still think's hes mafia, remember that!). The only reason he would want that is if he is VI. On October 07 2010 14:05 Bill Murray wrote: we are getting EVERYONE to say they're town or whatever. If I flip, lynch BC/OpZ. DoctorH is possibly cleared. Oh, now he claims Doctor H might be cleared. Yet shouldn't his plan confirm or condemn them? On October 07 2010 14:09 Bill Murray wrote: I already got the VI lynched, and out of our hair. There is no way he put more than one. That would make the game very gay. He also wouldn't have said "protactinium is an amazing player" if there were a lot of them. I have a serious plan. Everyone needs to claim something in their next post. Don't use your blue role names, just say "town", unless you are a mad hatter with a bomb on BC In which case I can direct your next bomb. Hell, if you're a mad hatter, just claim to have a bomb on BC and we can roll with that role. I would be able to analyze and tell you who to put your next bomb on, especially if you are an inexperienced player who needs guidance. Fail logic. First off, he fishes for mad hatter(ACTUALLY does), outright saying "Just claim to me. Especially if you are inexpierenced and need guidance" Don't fall for this trick, new folk. Also, how the frick does Brownbear saying "Protact is an amazing player" make there be only one VI. Right now BM is just trying to use a tactic I call "Appeal to Impulse". This is where he says a point, attempts to get someone to do something, and quickly before anyone can really talk about it. Here he's just spamming "everyone claim now! Next post! Do it!" Also, note in his plan Blues would also put "Town" or "townie". OF course, according to Opz Artanis sent him Townie. But don't claim this plan means he's town, it catches the blues as well. And now he has been trying to convince the new people to claim as soon as possible. When I say claim, note I don't just mean the role claim. By claiming, BM the Scum would know if they were blue as well IF he trusted the majority. From there he could work out the blues. For he himself wouldn't know the exact wording if he was scum. Really the only reason he would start to begin such an insane plan is if he knew it was stupid, he knew it would cause controversy. He's red or VI. The plan should be discarded. We can analyze it for why it would've been sent out, but please not how people respond. And according to Opz, theres more than one way people got it. So it's really useless. Most importantly, it ruins the spirit of the game, and makes babies go berserk when they see it and go emo later in life. Now begins the mass use of "Appeal to Impulse" + Show Spoiler + On October 07 2010 14:10 Bill Murray wrote: ~OpZ~ you're playing well, I'll admit that, but you are better as mafia than BC. You are Town, right? I'm Town. Honest. Appeal to impulse gogogogogogogooggo On October 07 2010 14:22 Bill Murray wrote: I lynched an anti-town role. Are you dumb? Are you town or not? Claim something. Claim Town/Townie/MadHatter with a bomb on BC plz Appeal to impulse gogogogogogogogogogo On October 07 2010 14:23 Bill Murray wrote: Pretty sure ~OpZ~ is mafia OpZ, claim something bro Appeal to impulse gogogogogogogogogogo On October 07 2010 14:25 Bill Murray wrote: ~OpZ~ claim something Are you Town/Townie? pick one Gogogogogogogogogogogoggogogogogogo On October 07 2010 14:31 Bill Murray wrote: no doctorh is fine you, however, are not claim gogogogogogogogogogogogogog On October 07 2010 14:32 Bill Murray wrote: go read your role PM opz are you a town or are you a townie? gogogogogogogogogogogogo On October 07 2010 14:32 Bill Murray wrote: are you a hatter? *starts panting* Go.go.go.gogogogoogo *breathes* On October 07 2010 14:32 Bill Murray wrote: just go read your role pm and tell me if you are town *panting, deep breathes* go.....go....go.....go.... On October 07 2010 14:32 Bill Murray wrote: it's red, isn't it? random speculation yay On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote: Furthermore, James, you need to claim Town/Townie go..............go.......*very faint* On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote: You, too, infinitestory. .................................g.g...g.(can't finish) On October 07 2010 14:49 Bill Murray wrote: that someone is you. Happy.Fairytale is you. Are you disputing that? you replaced into his slot. That's you. Deal with it. I'm not going to stop spamming until you claim either a) town b) townie c) you don't claim and we lynch you to see what you'll flip *looks with open mouth, sweat everywhere, can't say anymore* On October 07 2010 14:51 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2010 14:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On October 07 2010 14:47 Bill Murray wrote: don't forget to read your role pms You too dude, you have to relook to realize "massive troll" isn't a real role. funny guy town or townie? On October 07 2010 14:51 Bill Murray wrote: which did you pick as your godfather fakerole, BC? Town or Townie? *dead* Now, after all that we see he reveals his"Majestic plan" On October 07 2010 14:57 Bill Murray wrote: On October 07 2010 14:53 ~OpZ~ wrote: On October 07 2010 14:49 infinitestory wrote: On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote: You, too, infinitestory. I claim town. I have no idea where you could possibly be going with this. DO NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTION FOR TOWN/TOWNIE. HE IS ASKING YOU BLUE/GREEN He's trying to get out who is blue/green so mafia can blue snipe. ok, here is our lynch for today opz fell right into my trap town = green in this game. On October 07 2010 14:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On October 07 2010 14:53 ~OpZ~ wrote: On October 07 2010 14:49 infinitestory wrote: On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote: You, too, infinitestory. I claim town. I have no idea where you could possibly be going with this. DO NOT ANSWER HIS QUESTION FOR TOWN/TOWNIE. HE IS ASKING YOU BLUE/GREEN He's trying to get out who is blue/green so mafia can blue snipe. Except any smart green would soft claim blue to fuck with the mafia. Every VI will claim something to get lynched. He is fishing, but he knows anyone smart won't fall for it. Hence him spamming our posts out of existence. OH, you just fell for it TOO LOL EBWOP FOR THE WIN I WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM AMAZING AT MAFIA LOL BC AND OPZ JUST GOT OWNED. From the OP: Green Citizen (Town) You are the average schmuck who makes up the backbone of the town side. You have no special powers except voting, but you are the silent majority. Enjoy that feeling for a moment. Enjoy it. Yeah, you all know what Town does at this point. Vote by day, stay at home and wet themselves by night. GREEN = TOWN BC + OPZ DONT REALIZE BC + OPZ = MAFIA GG. I''m sorry, but this plan is and was horrible, and disproved because it was revealed people were sent town or townie. In addition, you're giving mafia a 50% chance of getting it "right"(which turned out to be either). I won't comment anymore because of what Brownbear said. But seriously, I'm disgusted. I'm not usually this strong about an issue, but this ruins the spirit of the game. And I'm saddened with myself that I even have to comment this much into viewing why you might propose it, however far away from actually comparing pms might be. It's a good plan, but against the spirit of the game. great analysis pandain. I did play in a game with BM where he was town and spammed like this but in a game with the possibility of several village idiots it's far too dangerous to lynch him. who is your suspect for todays lynch out of curiosity? ty, but really the hardest part was just collecting all the posts. If you have all the pieces, the picture is easy to see. Except I still need to see if it's the same picture on the box(aka, previous games.) I'm thinking about Misder and BC. I'm uncertain though and could very well change(for example I thought meeple was mafia in Team melee mafia and analyzed him and found him pro town) I'll post analysis on Misder most likely, I'll wait for BC. | ||
Pandain
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And well well, what do we have here LSB? I was looking over Infun, not expecting much, when I noticed you left out some posts of his. On October 06 2010 11:08 Infundibulum wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 10:58 meeple wrote: ... lots of sudden votes for protactinium... I mean... smurfing isn't that annoying is it? What's the deal with infinitestory's no-post vote... get in here man! Not just infinitestory, ghrur as well. You guys better post your reasoning for these votes on Element 91. On October 06 2010 12:24 Infundibulum wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote: On October 06 2010 12:09 Infundibulum wrote: On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote: On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun. Wait. So you don't think Protact is mafia, but you're still voting him anyway? He's worried that if Protact is mafia, the mafia will pull some shenanigans and change the leader away from him before lynch. this is awful reasoning. we want to lynch the people that we think are mafia. so far i haven't seen a convincing case made against Protact, and there's definitely no consensus. all there is is a bandwagon. How about we flip it: I'm worried that Protact is town and that we're going to lynch a townie, putting us even farther behind after modkills. I voted for gruhr because he bandwagoned on Protact, and this is a huge contradiction to his pretty well thought out posts earlier. Two posts with an underlying suscipcion of Ghrur. Now, this in itself wouldn't be interesting, but the fact you left them out is. I'm going to analyze LSB as well tonight. | ||
Pandain
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Misder. Summary: Overall, Misder is a suspicious character. He has some mild contradictions, but the only one that really stands out is his stance on lynching Xelin despite saying he didn't want to vote for an inactive. Besides that, another scum trait I notice is he doesn't explain stuff, so he brings up accusations and then no reasoning. In addition, he has played a stark contrast in his previous two games(mafia) from his first game(town.) The misder in the first game was decisive and contributive, while this misder prefers to take a backseat. A common trait of Mafia Misder is appealing to others, inactivity(discounting his defense in XXX) and to a certain extent wishy washiness. I would be alright with lynching Misder tonight, however I urge you all to talk about it and give more time for analysis of others. I'll be doing more analysis hopefully later. Analysis of his posts: On October 04 2010 13:30 Misder wrote: If we randomly pick, we might get the village idiot, if there is one. I think we need some sort of discussion to try and find the reds. I remember last game where I totally blew my cover as mafia on day 1, and all I did was try and act normal, so it's possible to distiguish who is mafia and who is not (although it depends on how good we are at red hunting). Show nested quote + On October 04 2010 12:10 BrownBear wrote: On October 04 2010 11:23 Foolishness wrote: On October 04 2010 10:26 BrownBear wrote: Incognito the Mighty Townie is now dead. Qatol The Jailkeeper/Blue Operative is now dead. BrownBear The Mayor/Blue Operative is now dead. Artanis[xp] The Red Operative Leader is now dead. Flamewheel The Green Cutie is now dead :3 Haha one person in the game is already dead. Who? If I tell, will that person get mad? BrownBear, you know who it is Vauge, but not really suscipcious as of yet. I note that he didn't really contribute with this besides stating the obvious, but nothing incriminating yet. Note this was only a few posts after the game begun, so he didn't really have anything to talk about n.n On October 04 2010 16:27 Misder wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2010 15:13 CynanMachae wrote: Well if random pick is chosen, how would you suggest doing it so that it's fair and objective? And Misder, there isn't really much red hunting possible on the first day... I've never seen a random pick do much except lynch a townie. Then again, lynching an inactive also almost always leads to lynching a townie. IMO the only benefit from random is that if somehow, the votes start stacking on a mafia member randomly, but thats very very unlikely. Ehh, I kinda disagree on the no red hunting on the first day. I don't know how good the mafia are, but if they were as noob as me, its possible to tell who is mafia on day 1 (thanks to Ver for that analysis). Right now, we need to get people to post. So, does anyone have a plan? Notes how lynching inactives and randoms almost always leads to lynching a townie. This post implies he wants to scum hunt on day one, rather than the others. Asks for a plan. On October 05 2010 12:34 Misder wrote: Show nested quote + On October 05 2010 08:31 ghrur wrote: Speaking of lynching, do we have to accuse before we can vote on the person? Or can we just type ##vote xxxxxxx? If we don't need to accuse, should we do so anyway in the thread to start a discussion? Also, I support the idea of non-random lynching. Random lynching has a greater chance of hitting blue or green instead of red. Random lynching also doesn't promote discussion which means there's less of a posting trail for later in the game. For non-random lynching, I suggest lynching a suspicious active instead of an inactive. Inactives could be simply bored by the Day1 stuff, but become really useful later. An example would be the recent RAM game where Xelin was inactive in the beginning, but found a mafia member on his first accusation. You technically can vote without any reason, but I always accuse along with vote. Voting without any analysis is pretty scummy in my book. Right now, I have some hunches on whos mafia, but I'm gonna hold back til there are more posts to work with. So, I'm probably going to vote for an inactive, unless something major happens. Show nested quote + On October 05 2010 09:29 SouthRawrea wrote: This game: There are several differences in this setup than regular mafia games in case you can't be bothered to read the role descriptions. 1) Detective must wait until Night 2 for investigation which is frankly not helpful as it is 1 less report overall per detective. 2) Vigilante gets their shot or bat back if they overlap with mafia. Not a huge deal as an overlap isn't that likely. 3) Godfather can fake Village Idiot. Frankly as some have stated before this may be a bit OP and is a very good reason for Vigilante to save their bat. 4) Roleblocker now cannot block someone twice in a row which make DT claiming a little more viable especially once mafia loses a KP. 5) Mafia can practically save a KP for the next day while the poisoner is still alive. Three huge things to watch out for 1) Like stated earlier, the Vigilante must not shoot until we get a Village Idiot report as it is the only way of safely killing a potential Village Idiot/Godfather as town. 2) Mafia can continuously use poison from any point in the game and have on of their players claim hit Veteran. The mafia will then be able to unleash 3 NK at any one night from that point onwards while having 1 NK the night before the claim and 2 NK for every night in between. This can be dangerous if town is too trusting of the hit claim and/or forgets about the 3 NK. Ex: Night 2 : 1 poison 1 shot Day 2: 1 death, mafia claims hit Night 3: 1 poison 1 shot Day 3: 2 deaths Night 4 1 poison 1 shot Day 4: 2 deaths Night 5: 2 shot Day 5: 3 deaths 3) Finally in a Lylo situation with Village idiot still alive, mafia can have a joint-win with the Village Idiot by lynching him. This will result in the day ending with both the Village Idiot and the Mafia's win requirements being fulfilled. (VI gets lynched and mafia # = town #) Detectives seem to have less of a role in this game. They can't make town circles and they lose a turn of finding red. Protactinium stated that detectives should shout out once they find a red. I think I agree with this as 1) there is a huge lynch target that day and 2) medics can protect the dectective, so effectively, we have a "town circle" without the need of PMs. Vilgilante hits that overlap with mafia would probably indicate that the person getting hit is acting like the VI, since lynching the VI leads to both the town and the mafia loss. I don't know how this helps, but thats my thought. Godfather as VI doesn't make much sense to me, just because there are vigilantes in the game (we should probably assume this as BB and Artanis making a game without vigilantes in games with a VI is pretty unlikely... that really would be OP). I think the biggest concern is if Godfather claims bulletproof. Vig wouldn't want to waste their hit trying to see if the claim is true because of the possibility of a VI, and a bulletproof is beneficial to the town and is an unlikely lynch target because the mafia can't kill (except poison). Aye! I forgot about roleblockers. So above, if DT claims a red, its pretty much assured that mafia will roleblock the DT. I've personally never seen roleblockers do anything that turned the tide of the game, so I'm not exactly sure how important this is. One thing to note is that roleblockers can get rid of the bulletproof vest, so if you are one, dont claim in the thread, unless you get shot. (Just realized this kinda contridicts what I said before where godfather would claim bulletproof... but if godfather claims bulletproof in thread, its likely that a medic will try and save him) I agree with SR. I think that its gonna be really suspicious to anyone who claims to get hit Night 1 though. Of course, claim if you really do get hit as veteran, but be prepared to defend yourself. Do we get to know who gets poisoned to death and who gets shot to death? The VI and mafia collaboration thing only will happen late game for them to have a joint win, is that correct? Here is a long interesting post. Let's note a couple of things. 1.He's going to "probably vote for an inactive." Yet he said he was against voting for an inactive. Now, this may seem suscipcious in itself but note that Misder is one of those who listens, and decides(if town.) This was more than a page after his previous post, and during which came after a whole slew of several people in favor of lynching inactives (click on each word for seperate post) So it's not unsuprising he changed his mind, but should still be noted. On October 05 2010 13:03 Misder wrote: Show nested quote + On October 05 2010 12:47 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'd rather you post your suspects now Mr. Misder? What if mafia slay you at night? =/ I think I rather wait. First, my suspicions aren't really big; they could be comepletely wrong, and I don't really have strong evidence. Plus, I'm still looking at different play styles from previous games. Second, this way, the mafia doesn't know whether I'm right or wrong, so if they really are scared, they're going to have to kill me If you guys really want, I'll post my suspicions, maybe to generate discussion or something on day 1. Which reminds me, how do we decide which inactive to lynch? This is where I'm starting to get suscipcious. If you have some hunches, why not post it and put it up to debate? It's clear we've wanted to. Also note he's been deferring to the public. It's always "oh what you say." Which isn't in itself a bad thing, but quite noteworthy. Plus that whole "oh, mafia will be scared!" is a bunch of fadoodle since why would mafia be scared of what you "might" be thinking and you dont have any suscipcions. This post is suscipcious. On October 06 2010 06:54 Misder wrote: Personally, I don't see anything wrong about accusing on day 1. We all know that its really hard to find ev against people onday 1, but accusing generates responses, which is good. So, why haven't you posted your suscpcions. On October 06 2010 09:11 Misder wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 07:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On October 06 2010 07:34 Pandain wrote: I still believe Infun should be lynched if anyone, based around the fact he's technically off the "inactive list" while he hasn't really posted any content at all besides a link to a site. My main reason is that I don't think we should lynch Cynan, and Infun is the best person we have. I think we should make a stand right here, and everyone should start to vote for someone, since the way it stands now it is too easy for mafia to manipulate the votes and it will be 100% NOT a scum lynched. What information do we really get from lynching Infund? He's been posting information to assist DT's and Medics in carrying out their role effectively, I don't think he's been totally useless at all. We shouldn't be lynching by what info we get from the lynch; most of the time, the conclusions are wrong, and the whole point of the game is to lynch the mafia. Infund only posted once this entire time, and it was a link to a guide that could have been found by googling. He didn't really post anything at all. His one quote: Show nested quote + On October 05 2010 04:39 Infundibulum wrote: You are correct, Element 91. But Amber is also right that there are ways for the detective to push lynches on reds he checks, without role-claiming. If you are a detective I suggest you get creative; only roleclaim if you feel it is necessary. If you are a detective, you should probably read this page (if you haven't already) just to get an idea of the ways in which other people (namely mafias and medics) will be trying to find you in the thread: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_the_Cop I think that's a pretty good comprehensive guide, but if there's any problems in it hopefully a more experienced player can point them out. I'm really undecided who to vote for at this point. I think right now, its pretty useless trying to lynch an inactive. Theres about 4 hrs left, and the whole point of lynching an inactive is to pressure them to vote. I'm still going to vote for XeliN because he's played many games and I dont understand why hes not here. This post is suscpicious as well. Now he's against lynching an inactive, but for I suppose a decent reason: we can't pressure them to talk anymore. That was one of the reasons I started to pressure a (perceived) "lurker" instead(Infund). However, Misder then goes and votes Xelin, and goes against what he just said int he previous sentence. On October 06 2010 09:18 Misder wrote: I would vote Infund, but I've played with him mafia last game, and he does a lot more accusing and spam in that game. He's not acting like he was when he was mafia before; he may have changed his playstyle, but that's pretty unlikely. Also, I would like to say that a lot of mafia members like to post a lot in the beginning, seemingly to help out, but they hide later in the day. (someone like ~Opz~, for example, I've got suspicions on him; I don't know if they are good feelings or bad feelings). Alright contribution. Worthwhile to note Infund ended up being innocent. However, that last sentence makes me do a double take because he again brings up suscpcions, but doesn't say anything. And I'm still waiting for that "list of suspects." On October 06 2010 09:22 Misder wrote: Actually, I’m just going to vote ~Opz~ right now instead of XeliN, just because of this tiny suspicion. I don’t know if I truly believe in that he is mafia, but I think he has a better chance at being mafia than XeliN. Again, I don't get it. What is the suscpicion. You bring stuff up and don't explain it. That's incrediably scummy to me. Previous Games: Townie (BM's game) In this game we see a very different misder. This is his first game, but the only instance of him being townie. Now, let's see some traits. 1.He's active(or at least contributive) Note this post he gives reasons for voting, while making a decisive action. He is constantly taking posts and reflecting on them. Another one, and we see a very townie Misder. He is decisive, and coherent(aka clear reasons.) Compare that with Misder's current posts. Wishy washy, appealing to the town. Last game as mafia he constantly belittled himself as well, and while he has learned to not be so obvious you can tell he's taking a backseat. Why? He's just so different Note he's saying "this is what I think, this is what we should do." This is what townies will do, they actively try to help solve this ginormous mystery and Misder in particular had been analyzing that game. What is this misder doing? Sitting back, not giving any reasons for voting, wishy washy. Comparison: Misder in that game played an inactive, yet contributive townie. He had detailed posts, made decisive decisions, and constantly gave his thoughts and reasons for what he did. The misder in this game has preffered to be lurking and inactive, with really only one okay post. Yet even in that there were problems. (Hehe thank goodness I decided to compare with before.) Mafia (Mafia XXX) In this game half of his posts are defending himself, and all of those are the long ones(excluding the poor analysis he did on Larjarse.) Here' an analysis by Ver on some of his posts, a much better player than I n.n On August 26 2010 13:07 Ver wrote: T Misder : Here is a great example of a mafia slipping up very obviously in day 1. Show nested quote + On August 06 2010 13:13 Misder wrote: @Divenek I'll try to be as active as possible. I was better during the end of that last mafia game. At least I was right for my lynching targets I'm not used to being active early game, so lets try this out. From my last two games, it seemed like we always tried to vote for inactives, except for the XXIII where town voted for a one liner mistake. We shouldn't do that. Because just because you make one mistake early doesn't mean you are mafia, just more likely. We should always be suspicious, but not impulsive. And the other game was where we had to vote for a mayor and a pardoner, so people had to talk. As for strategies in the beginning... no idea. I'm still learning, (I still haven't done what you told me to do BC sorry!) Show nested quote + On August 06 2010 15:45 Misder wrote: xD I'm sorry! I'll try to post better, but for me, it's hard to post in the beginning of the game... Vote count is: (3) Bill Murray (1) Divinek (1) Misder (1) Chezinu (1) Youngminii On August 06 2010 14:40 larjarse wrote: BillMurray, right after he got his two "random" votes against him wrote: I proclaim the Random Voting Stage hereby dead. I am voting not for randomness, An obvious reason to stick with my vote. This leaves my suspicions on BM. If everyone randomized, BM would be more likely to get a higher vote count (due to already having 2 votes on him). I'm not voting yet though; don't want to be impulsive... These are two posts full of flagrant errors. This is the first easy mafia catch the town could've had; let's go through it: -Note the multiple apologies, excuses, the specific mention that he is still learning, and overall meek tone. Newer mafia players will try to emphasize their inexperience as a way of overcompensating. Think about this from the angle of being a townie: why would you want to say all this? What's the point in painting yourself to be some noob who is useless and shouldn't be listened to? If you want to be of use to the town, apologizing a bunch and acting all sorry for doing nothing wrong is hardly going to make yourself listened to. In fact, it will make people ignore you instead. Someone who can't even convince themself is hardly going to convince anyone else. That would be great for a mafia who wants to hide though, wouldn't it? On that angle it makes perfect sense from the mafia's perspective. You want to find reasons that make you look less suspicious without looking like you are trying too hard to do so. See how Misder isn't even suspicious before this but he's trying to make himself look less suspicious. That's entirely mafia rationale. A townie might want to defend himself if someone accuses him, but only a mafia feels inherently guilty and has a need, perhaps even a desire to defend himself before he's even a blip on anyone's radar. It's a very common pattern that I've seen many, many times. Appealing to others, taking backseat. In this game half of his posts were defending himself, and all of the others were one paragraph every now and then. Comparison: As a matter of fact, I find misder to be even less active in our game than Flamewheel's. Misder has even taken more of a backseat, posting without saying why, but always leaving himself an out in the way of asking others what to do. | ||
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A couple of things I want to see: 1.Someone else doing some good analysis besides just I(because I know mine even aren't that great) 2. Get some real disccusion going 3. Misder post his suspects 4. Meeple explain why he's voting Cynan. 5.Unvote Misder for the time being so then we can still vote double lynch. | ||
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On October 08 2010 07:04 LSB wrote: LMAO Pandain are you getting too trigger happy? Are you trying to start bandwagons? Show nested quote + On October 08 2010 06:57 Pandain wrote: And well well, what do we have here LSB? I was looking over Infun, not expecting much, when I noticed you left out some posts of his. On October 06 2010 11:08 Infundibulum wrote: On October 06 2010 10:58 meeple wrote: ... lots of sudden votes for protactinium... I mean... smurfing isn't that annoying is it? What's the deal with infinitestory's no-post vote... get in here man! Not just infinitestory, ghrur as well. You guys better post your reasoning for these votes on Element 91. On October 06 2010 12:24 Infundibulum wrote: On October 06 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote: On October 06 2010 12:09 Infundibulum wrote: On October 06 2010 12:07 NukeTheBunnys wrote: On that note, Im changing my vote to Protactinium. I don't want the mafia to be able to swing the vote away from a mafioso, and there certainly are enough no votes so far to swing the vote to just about anyone. so Im just going to put the leader further ahead. Also dealing with smurfs does not seem fun. Wait. So you don't think Protact is mafia, but you're still voting him anyway? He's worried that if Protact is mafia, the mafia will pull some shenanigans and change the leader away from him before lynch. this is awful reasoning. we want to lynch the people that we think are mafia. so far i haven't seen a convincing case made against Protact, and there's definitely no consensus. all there is is a bandwagon. How about we flip it: I'm worried that Protact is town and that we're going to lynch a townie, putting us even farther behind after modkills. I voted for gruhr because he bandwagoned on Protact, and this is a huge contradiction to his pretty well thought out posts earlier. Two posts with an underlying suscipcion of Ghrur. Now, this in itself wouldn't be interesting, but the fact you left them out is. I'm going to analyze LSB as well tonight. Okay, go accuse Ghur. Infun literally said that he was accusing Ghur because he "sounded funny". I'm not going to defend Ghur, but nor am I going to pretend that Infun was seriously attacking Ghur I don't know about you, but to me, "Sounding funny" is a pretty lame argument And as for the second post. Obviously Infun is prodding NuketheBunnies. I just find no reason to be redundant Wait.. do you mean Infinitestory? Could you point out where he attacked Infinitestory? Thanks Read before you post I feel like I've deserved the right to make a triple post, though I'll try to stay away. Read those two posts by Infun. Those are valid reasons. That other post was just a joke post. However, you seem to have let out this and the fact that Infun voted for him. I think Infun would be seriously attacking ghur(at the very least seriously considering) | ||
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On October 08 2010 10:51 Misder wrote: In day 1, as a blue ~Opz~ told the town what to do, coming up with plans, participating in the actual crux of what was going on. Show nested quote + On August 07 2010 02:26 ~OpZ~ wrote: Okay. Vigi should claim Day 2 IMO because he can't use his night kill til night 2. The vigi can openly suggest his target, meds protect target. If 2 people die that night, and dude is protected from a hit then BAM, we have a huge circle formed with meds confirming the vigi, DT's can openly claim to vigi or use a mouth, Bus Driver should stay hidden I feel...except to maybe the meds. And if it is a mafia ploy? We'd have netted two mafia. The fake vigi claimer, and the dude who was hit by the vigi because he would have to have been protected. All medics should protect the guy getting vigi'd so they get the protection message, or mafia would have to use all KP to stop the plan, GIVING us quite a few more days... He never actually contributes in this game on Day 1, just blames all of the newcomers." Oh yeah, he never posted a long thing or anything. That long post isn't contributing! It's a farce! And what are you talking about because hes yelling at everyone that he must be town? He does that every game. On October 08 2010 10:51 Misder wrote: I'm actually surprised not too many people are voting for me, considering the fact that I did contridict myself twice; once when I said that I vote with reason (well technically I did... intuition and my limited knowledge on how mafia players work) and once when I said that mafia members are the ones who die out into the thread (which I basically disappeared from). I So if you knew you contradicted yourself twice why did you post it? And why are you saying your such a good lynch? You're just like "Oh...hey...you're wrong, but I don't really care. Go ahead." Wheres the decisive townie! I'm going to be watching Sen pwn, by the time I get back I want some good answers. And some feedback from everyone. | ||
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On October 08 2010 11:16 Misder wrote: Also reading Pandains posts about my previous mafia game when I was townie actually surprised me. I didn't actually think I was contributing much in BMs game, probably cause Divenek was all like, Misder doesn't post enough and such, lol. Maybe I should start doing things I have done before... I actually don't feel like I'm taking a backseat in this game though. I feel more radical in this game than in other games where in other games, I only posted things I thought I had good evidence to and things that seemed obvious to me. And I should note that when I was mafia, I also answered why I voted for people. And that my analysis on larjarse was pretty much how I would write any analysis, besides the fact that I knew he really wasnt mafia, but I did that just like I would as part of the town. Yet thats the thing. You haven't. You claim to not want to lynch an inactive and then vote to lynch Xelin the sentence after. Then 5 minutes later you change it to opz because of a "vague suspicion" which you haven't clarified until now. You haven't given thoughts on really anyone besides Opz just now, and plainly I'm unsure as to whether you would have had we not pressured you. And when you were mafia, of course you answered why you voted for people. You were under attack. Also note that contributive =/= posting. A person who posts a page every 5 pages is better than the person who posts a paragraph every 1 page. Its quality that matters, not quanity. And frankly, I haven't seen any from you yet. + Show Spoiler + (Also, anyone who didn't spam in that game was inactive :p) | ||
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On October 08 2010 11:27 Misder wrote: Show nested quote + On October 05 2010 10:55 ~OpZ~ wrote: On October 04 2010 22:21 Amber[LighT] wrote: On October 04 2010 18:58 Protactinium wrote: Oh, and Detectives, you are not sleuths in this game. You are suicide cops. There is no passing your knowledge on. If you strike gold, er, red, shout out. Don't keep it to yourself, since if you die you take your findings to the grave. Shout out the name of the Mafia, then the names of those you have cleared. If everything goes correctly and Mafia are out for revenge, you should die bloodied and lacerated at night. But at least you'll have done your job. Detectives, beware the Godfather. It doesn't deny in the Original Post that he can assume the mantle of the Village Idiot, which would make him close to unkillable, disregarding the Vigilante. More thoughts on this later, but if you are a Private Eye and you find the Town Fool, be wary if/when you choose to spill your secret findings to the world. Oh, and lastly, lynch an inactive. If they are town-aligned, they're not going to be contributing anyway. Might as well get them out of the game to save some trouble later on, since with a lack of Behavior Analysts reds shouldn't be expected to be caught day 1 anyway. . No. No. AND No. Detectives should not feel that they need to out themselves upon finding someone out. Their abilities are _REALLY_ powerful in this game and we need them to be cautious and analytical in their findings. There is a reason they can't act until NIGHT 2. The one major reason NO Detective should out themselves is because of the miller role. There's no way to sift through posts to gather a reading on a player that could be green/blue and come up red on a check. This is like a reverse sanity check for the Detective. What's going to happen when a DT outs themselves claiming they found a red and then we lynch a blue/green?! Guess who's on the chopping block the next day? That's 2 DAY cycles we miss hitting mafia because of useless knowledge. Their abilities should be used to gather a town circle. Trust the players you check, and take risks in others you think are secure. Do not fear the Godfather. The chances of checking him are very slim. Regardless, his role only buys the mafia a day and he is in the same bucket as the millers. They will need extra attention. DT's once again: Trust your checks. We can go back and find out who's siphoning information out of your circles later. They can be caught, but it's up to you to play smart. If you think you checked someone and the check doesn't match up, then try to get the town to discuss it WITHOUT outing yourself. You're going to just accuse another player anyway, and we (the town) will try to protect you. Lynching an inactive is almost a guarantee at lynching a pro-town role. If they don't want to participate and play like crap, then fine. But they need to vote pro-town at the very least. Don't lynch someone who can make the difference... Most townies play with this stupid passive role as though they should just be quiet. NO. If you are a townie start speaking up! Your job is to look through posting etiquette and weed out "bad" posts. Be careful of traps, like this gem: On October 04 2010 19:31 ~OpZ~ wrote: On October 04 2010 12:49 Amber[LighT] wrote: So I'm gonna be asleep so I'm gonna just start now: We should work on figuring out how we want to go about voting on Day 1. We can: -Randomly Pick -Pick an Inactive -Pick an Active I think of these three we should just go for a random pick. It seems that every time we choose an inactive the game just gets caught in a battle between 2 town groups, which never have mafia in them anyway! It also might be a good idea to first design a plan (or 2 or 3) for how we want the blues to act over the next few days. We will want to keep our Detectives out of sight until day 2. Sadly I don't think outing them is the best option, so it's going to really be up to them to be really good at concealing themselves tonight. The same thing should apply to our vigilantes. Pretty much our night 1 decisions need to be for the medics only. It's really hard to point out the people who should be saved, or how many people will be saved, so we should really let them use their best judgment while giving them a list of people to protect. I'm going to state this now: I am going to be against role claiming, and I don't want to end up ruining the spirit of the game by doing this (as I feel it does). ...Wow....obviously.... -______- Derp typical OpZ day1 post. Don't expect much more from him until Day 2, just a guess. Hey hey hey, don't get all resentful on me. Lol. Come on. Those three ways are always deci---wait....lot of new people this game. My bad. I'll be more helpful then Oh. Hmm...Maybe I should add to the discussion more so next time. Personally.... Too all new players. Do not attach any kind of feelings to anyone trying to give you "good" direction. Distrust them. Even if they sound completely beneficial. Do not trust them. Do not trust me. Do not trust this post.. Ok, gonna look through some stuff. Gf might try and stop me, and gotta go smoke a cig with Champ. On October 04 2010 22:59 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I'm in favor of just voting random the first day. We have very little reason to go on to try and pick some one suspicious, and if anyone is suspicious before day 1 night, then they are most likely attempting to be suspicious(read the Village Idiot). The same holds true to voting an inactive. We would most likely end up killing a townie by voting random, but I don't think we really have a better option. Once people start posting more we can have a more educated, organized, strategy, but for now I believe in chaos Our goal is to mafia kill. We kill suspicious people. It's what we do. It's our....Thaaaaaang. Mafia better be better at sniping then town, that's all I gotta say on that. On October 04 2010 22:27 Amber[LighT] wrote: Pandains post: + Show Spoiler + On October 04 2010 17:52 Pandain wrote: Alright I have high hopes for this game, lots of interesting roles(even for mafia). I'd like to offer my thoughts on some of them and what I think they would want to do, just common advice i suppose. Medic: Protect people who you think are going to get hit(duh.You would be pretty dumb if you didn't.) This can include active pro town-seeming people, people you think are blue, people you think are going to be hit, or just decide your own path and be a rebel. DT: Protect who you have a suspicion of, including but not limited to 1.People acting out of character 2.Lurking people Veteran or Bulletproof: Try to soak up hits, but don't be too obvious. Under NO even remotely normal circumstances should any of these claim, as then the mafia will just stray away from shooting them. The only time they should claim is if they got hit Then we got the two town KP roles, both very interesting in this game. Let's go over them. Mad Hatter This role is very dangerous. In the hands of a good player, it can win the game, in the hands of a bad(or just bad luck) it can lose the game. For example, in Bill Murray's game Citizen,zeks, and sinquity managed to stall mafia by revealing they had a mad hatter, and had bombs on mafia. However, just as it seemed we were about to win Xelin the suicide bomber came in and killed 5 people, and zeks had a bomb on infun meaning another one died. MH has to be very careful with your bombs, but always place one(as we can get more info/chance) and the fact you can always move it. Vigilante The most interesting role for me. Now it says he CAN use it starting night two, but should we have him? I say starting night two we make a vote/tally of who to kill as an "additional lynch." And if we're really not sure, we don't even have to use him. In fact, he might just ignore us or not even exist. However, I'm hoping the town consensus will convince him unless he has a REALLY good read on someone. But more importantly, he will help us solve the Village Idiot Conundrum. That is, how do we know if a sucipious/scum looking person will not have been the VI the whole time! If we're stuck on that problem , we can use the vigilante to safely remove him. More devilishly, we can not lynch him and say we're going to lynch him next night, so if he's not mafia they will have to make a choice whether to risk having the VI lynched. Then we can even waste a kp, in addition to the possible fact he may have lived because he actually IS mafia. But that's just getting into theory now, let's go back to what we can do now. Basically, we're at the part where Amber}Light says we are, where we can do one of three things. 1. Lynch an inactive 2.Randomly pick someone (PS KingJames you go to a random number generator on a website or w/e) 3.Lynch a suspicious person In two options(#1 and 3), the village idiot plays a large role in our decision. How do we know a sucipsious/inactive person isn't simply playing that role so then they will get lynched? The thing is, we don't. We'll have to use our best logic. I am against #2 on the basis of pure statistics. Assuming we have all blue roles, there is a greater chance of lynching a blue than a mafia. I like lynching inactives for a number of reasons 1.Usually are never blues(almost always townies) 2.Forces people to get talking 3.Provides us with more info(via the result of #2) Now let me say this: I might not lynch an inactive person. But if I don't push it, I will push you getting vigi'd. I want at least 2 good posts from everyone by the end of the day. As of right now I would hope to see your opinion on what to do today at the very least. Also I'm going to agree with Pandain for the time being. We need to understand how people play. Everyone should post or at least make an attempt to post. Try to use your strengths to figuring out mafia players. It's hard with a blank canvas, so think of a creative way to get the mafia to jump out. I'm in favor of use a random number generator to out someone. The person should then make a convincing claim so we can at least have something to work from. I was going to suggest a PM tactic for the Day 1 lynch, but this is a NO PM GAME. So this could get tricky :/ p.s. Typical Amber blunder? On October 05 2010 00:10 Divinek wrote: On October 04 2010 22:59 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I'm in favor of just voting random the first day. We have very little reason to go on to try and pick some one suspicious, and if anyone is suspicious before day 1 night, then they are most likely attempting to be suspicious(read the Village Idiot). The same holds true to voting an inactive. We would most likely end up killing a townie by voting random, but I don't think we really have a better option. Once people start posting more we can have a more educated, organized, strategy, but for now I believe in chaos chaos is the mafia way. It's far better to try and get something out of people by pressuring them and forcing them to talk than just going 'oh well we RNG'd a hit now no one needs to talk for the rest of the day' Not to mention who's doing said "RNG"-ing. Amirite? -__- On October 05 2010 06:16 Happy.fairytail wrote: I actually don't think there's a difference whether we pick by random or inactive because: a) Inactive doesn't necessarily mean non-blue. I've seen plenty of games where the DT was very quiet and seemingly inactive. He evaded all mafia suspicion and survived to the mid game and revealed himself. With himself and 3 innocent townsperson, he was able to establish a lasting majority against the mafia and win. b) We have an equal chance of picking a village idiot whether we go random or inactive. It's not like we have special insight into the idiot's tactics that would give us an edge in determining one method or the other. I think the two most important things are: a) Communication. The upside far outweighs the downside, and I think we all agree here, no need to explain further. b) We lynch someone every round. I'm going to prove this for another post statistically... That DT blew chunks, and so did that mafia. Fuck that three innocent townspersons were dumb too. Anyway, no. DT if you find a red bloke, I want you to build an argument for why he is mafia. Tell us what he is/is not doing that is/is not helping to town. I want you to lay into him. Be relentless. Don't pull no fucking punches. If his mama's a tramp, I want you to let us know. Shiaaaaaaat. So ignore this kid's advice. It's weak sauce. -___- Quiet people often get sniped by mafia toooooo. (Unless Radfield/Ace/L are playing) Eh...Kinda got the Village idiot post. It was pretty smart thinking with Village Idiot/Mafia win....So we do gotta be careful, cuz if village idiot is down to last 3 "Hai I'm VI, lynch me!!" Mafia just have to wait for him to vote for himself. Lol. I don't really agree that ~Opz~ said anything important in this post. 1) He says that hes not used to all the newcomers and says that newcomers should trust anyone. So to a newcomer, does one trust the post or not? Not really helpful to anyone, and it just messes with the mind. 2) He says that the point of mafia is to kill the mafia, but then implies that town sucks at scum hunting, saying that mafia better be good at green hunting, cause thats the only way we can win. At least thats how I read it. 3) Points out Amber's mistake and calls it typical. Not important I dont think cause anyone who read the OP knows its a no PM game. 4) Don't actually know what hes saying here. I think hes implying that we never actually know whos doing the RNG, and that some people can say that they RNG and they don't. I guess it kinda helps, but I don't even know if thats what he meant by that point, so no idea whether or not it helps him. 5) He just again becomes condescending, and tells everyone not to listen to happy's advice cause its weak. He commented DT should not claim, but instead try to build an argument someone is mafia without roleclaiming. Also, if you could group all your defense in one post so I can consider/respond to it easily as well as other's that would be nice. I feel bad when I post like this :/ | ||
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I won't say from who, and since we can't discuss anymore let's leave it at that. Alright, moving forward... | ||
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On October 08 2010 23:40 NukeTheBunnys wrote: Also, I know I don't have early enough information to do a double lynch this early so for those that are proposing we do a double lynch this early you better give some very convincing arguments about who to lynch and why we need to kill both of them tonight The reason we are going to do a double lynch are two fold. One is taking into the fact that we are going to kill Bill Murray. Now, the current plan is that we are going to vigi Bill Murray. In case Bill Murray is saved by the vigi being roleblocked, or the good chance there is no vigi, we need to do a double lynch so we don't just waste our next hit having to clean up yesterday's mistakes. Basically, we know Bill Murray is mafia/vigi/very useless townie. The second reason is that we WILL know enough by tommorow. Also, note double lynch works for the NEXT DAY CYCLE. Aka, if we vote double lynch now, it comes into effect next day cycle. I think you're a bit confused there. Going ahead, don't you think we'll know enough about another person tommorow? There's already been plenty of good debate, and that in combination with the deaths tommorow night and the outcome of this lynch will definitely suffice to at least provide sufficient reason for a double lynch. Everyone Vote double lynch Also, nice post kingjames. While it would be alot strong if not for the fact they were all new(and therefore can be prone to making silly mistakes such as bandwagoning a player at the last second), I find the Cynan slip particularly interesting. I think I'm going to vote him. Also, Crisis, King deth, drag, and infinite story I want to hear more from you ASAP. | ||
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On October 09 2010 01:40 CynanMachae wrote: Show nested quote + On October 08 2010 18:51 kingjames01 wrote: - CynanMachae ##Vote Padain (2:42 remaining) Comment: You were in the lead and headed to the gallows. With only 2:42 left before nightfall, why did you not vote for Crisis_ so that you were not in the lead??? Is it possible that you DON'T want Crisis_ to be lynched? I voted for Pandain because I believed him to be suspect at that point. I didn't vote for Crisis_ to save myself either because I didn't think the votes against me were that threatening, since they all happened earlier on and most of the later discussion were on other suspects. As for my yesterday's inactivity (which people pointed out), I already said that I didn't post because of BM's crap and there was only a bunch of useless posts for pretty much the last 5-6 pages when I last caught up. If anyone is going to blame me for not taking part in that then go ahead. I'm not convinced we are going to have that much information for double lynches tomorrow. I'm going through the posts of each player one at a time, so far in my pro-town players I have LSB, Amber[Light], kingjames and on my red suspects I have BM, Pandain and Crisis_ The thing is, there were less than three hours to go. And instead of saving yourself, you voted a person who was sure not to get lynched. In fact, you even suspect Crisis now and yet you didn't vote for him. So, here's what we can deduce from that 1.You didn't feel threatened. Commentary: But why is this? There were less than three hours to go. So I think it's a viable assumption to say you felt that another person would spring up. And in fact, in the last 3 hours Proctat got 5 votes. Suspicious, much? It's suspicious enough that I declare a Panda Investigative Decree that enables me to look through your posts without a warrant. On October 04 2010 15:13 CynanMachae wrote: Well if random pick is chosen, how would you suggest doing it so that it's fair and objective? And Misder, there isn't really much red hunting possible on the first day... Small post, doesn't really say anything. All this says is "I don't know what to do. You tell me." While that's okay for newer players to an extent, Cynan has played several games before. This isn't neccesarily bad, sprouting ideas, but it isn't that good either. On October 06 2010 02:13 CynanMachae wrote: At least you could get my name right (but I would blame it on that list <<) And whoever said that I haven't posted, I did. It wasn't anytihng much useful but still. Show nested quote + On October 06 2010 00:21 NukeTheBunnys wrote: On October 04 2010 15:13 CynanMachae wrote: Well if random pick is chosen, how would you suggest doing it so that it's fair and objective? And Misder, there isn't really much red hunting possible on the first day... Is Cynan's only post thus far, so he is not completely inactive. However due to trying to convince people you cant hunt reds the first day, and trying to stay below the radar by posting the bare minimum, I am accusing him of being Mafia. Defend yourself or get lynched. I didn't say you can't do anything, but yes, one the first day it's very hard to find much because if red play somewhat semi-decently there isn't enough speculation around to have enough hints that someone is red. But sure if you have any suspisions share them. I'm going to vote for an inactive as well, I don't like the random method, cause it does seems to me that its kinda hard to achieve anything with that. And like DrH said, saying that we are voting for an inactive force them to post, and force them to put stuff around that can be analyzed if they are indeed red. Voting agaisnt random doesn't accomplish anything cause it doesn't force them to do anything, just wait. Several things wrong with this. First, he doesn't do what he says. "1.I'm going to vote for an inactive." 8 hours later he votes for me. Now, he's already said that he doesn't think theres going to be enough speculation. And it's not too far a stretch to say that he may have found enough evidence on me to indicate I might be mafia. Really the only thign he contributes here is "Voting against random doesn't accomplish anything cause it doesn't force them to do anything." Anything else he doesn't do, repeats what others said, or states the obvious. On October 06 2010 10:22 CynanMachae wrote: Wow, am I really leading in votes so far? Lynching me would really be a bad idea. I agree with all of you that Padain's posting is a bit weird on defending me, since he can't know that I'm not mafia from my 2 posts and saying I'm playing the same as usual is really not much cause I don't think I've even changed my playstyle much in games were I was mafia, and these two posts really don't say anything right now. So, since Padain can't know I'm not mafia (no detective play yet), the only way that he can be sure that I'm town is if he's mafia himself. He's probably hoping I do get lynched and can play the "told you so" card then. Not that I think it's a wise decision for a mafia but else I don't see why he would be defending me. The only reason I would see is if he believed we should lynch people that are more inactive, but he didn't seem to suggest that. This is perhaps one of the most interesting posts. Now, let's analyze some stuff. Lynching me would be a really bad idea. Woah... was that a soft blue claim? Or was it just saying "im townie so don't lynch me. " This is something that must be noted. However, if he's blue, and he's on the lynch, then why is he voting for me? Him and crisis are tied at 3 votes, and if he's blue why doesn't he saeve himself? He's already noted he's tied for leading in votes. That doesn't make sense.Also in this post he leaps to several conclusions that do not spring from the facts. Let's see what he says 1. "Pandain knows I'm town, therefore he must be mafia. " Whats wrong: First off, I don't know your town. I was merely stating that you have been playing along with your normal behavior in previous games. On October 06 2010 05:56 Pandain wrote:. However, I should point out that I did not say Cynan was innocent, rather that we don't have enough evidence to lynch him. On October 06 2010 05:27 Pandain wrote: I don't count Cynan as inactive and Nobody should vote for him because his actions thus far are in accordance with his previous play. That's not to say I'm not watching him(I am) but he's not that suspicious to me. I clearly state my reasons for stating them, and it is because he was consistent with his previous play. Second off, does analysis play no role in determining if someone is mafia? You seem to have left that out. Cynan's post here does not make sense from a self serving perspective or a logical perspective and really only comes to light if he's mafia. 2."Pandain wants to get me lynched so he can build town cred." He's probably hoping I do get lynched and can play the "told you so" card then. Not that I think it's a wise decision for a mafia but else I don't see why he would be defending me. Whats wrong: How would defending you when you only had two votes at the time help get you lynched? That doesn't make any sense. On October 07 2010 17:02 CynanMachae wrote: God, what the hell is this, this isn't gonna go anywhere, guys you should just ignore BM -_- *yawn* On October 09 2010 01:40 CynanMachae wrote: Show nested quote + On October 08 2010 18:51 kingjames01 wrote: - CynanMachae ##Vote Padain (2:42 remaining) Comment: You were in the lead and headed to the gallows. With only 2:42 left before nightfall, why did you not vote for Crisis_ so that you were not in the lead??? Is it possible that you DON'T want Crisis_ to be lynched? I voted for Pandain because I believed him to be suspect at that point. I didn't vote for Crisis_ to save myself either because I didn't think the votes against me were that threatening, since they all happened earlier on and most of the later discussion were on other suspects. As for my yesterday's inactivity (which people pointed out), I already said that I didn't post because of BM's crap and there was only a bunch of useless posts for pretty much the last 5-6 pages when I last caught up. If anyone is going to blame me for not taking part in that then go ahead. I'm not convinced we are going to have that much information for double lynches tomorrow. I'm going through the posts of each player one at a time, so far in my pro-town players I have LSB, Amber[Light], kingjames and on my red suspects I have BM, Pandain and Crisis_ Alright last non-spam post by him. First off, you didn't say you didn't post because of BM's waste, don't make that up. And due to the soft claim blue it seems, I'm suprised you didn't find it that threatening WITH ONLY 3 HOURS TO GO! Also now he's not votin gdouble lynch, which is extremely anti town because 1.It allows BM the VI/ BM the Mafia to possibly live through the night if no vigi. 2. We WILL have enough info already, look at all this debate we have. Cynan is Mafia | ||
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