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On October 08 2010 12:15 SiNiquity wrote:Disclaimer: This post is does not in any way encourage additional posting of PM or PM related information, nor do I wish to further the discussion of the PMs themselves. This post contains full disclosure of BM's method to further discourage any claiming. However, the prior claims are here to stay, for better or for worse. There's nothing that can be done, yet they've altered the meta game and as such cannot be ignored. Alternatively a host could simply come out and confirm that the PM messages were different dependent on host, alleviating us of this meta-game aspect entirely. But if not, then the information's there, and should be taken full advantage of by the townies.Now, in short, for those that don't feel like reading the spam starting from page 29 and going really until about page 35, Bill Murray demanded players to roleclaim, but emphasized players should carefully reread their PMs before claiming. It was actually very clever, as there was an underlying secret that only town players would recognize: town players were not PM'ed the word "town" but rather "townie" as their role. XeliN sums this up nicely: Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 16:42 XeliN wrote: My take on the whole "Town//Townie" questioning. It seems quite clear to me that the distinction Bill is trying to highlight here is not whether someone is Green or Blue, but on what a Town player was actually PM'd in their role. Seems a little bit shady as a strategy although nonetheless quite effective as I'm now fairly sure he is legitimately Town. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 16:47 XeliN wrote: In fact it's not even "my take" it's blatantly what he actually means as he frequently say's
"go back and look at your role PM, then tell me Town//Townie"
Him being established town (here's where "my take" is appropriate, you can make up your own minds!) doesn't mean he is correct in calling for bloody's lynch, but I'm going to need to go over the thread more purely with that in mind. OpZ is also suspect to me, along with BC, for missing Bill's intention which was quite blatant, although ofc if they were mafia they would miss it as their role PM would not make his intention blatant. Ironically, Bill, either in a burst of genius or insanity, incessantly insisted the correct answer was "town." And, best of yet, some people fell for it: Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: town
but i'm more confused by your plan than anything Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:49 infinitestory wrote:On October 07 2010 14:46 Bill Murray wrote: You, too, infinitestory. I claim town.I have no idea where you could possibly be going with this. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I'm town, and you already know that. (Note: BC is especially guilty in this regard, as he kept referring to the town post in the OP as his point of reference). In fact the only player that correctly roleclaimed as far as I can surmise is OpZ: Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: Really? my role PM says townie. It was also sent by Artanis. Was yours sent by Artanis? -_- Even now Bill maintains "town" is the correct answer, and his vigilance for this charade is admirable yet simultaneously disturbing on some deeper level. However, props to him for maintaining it for so long (I'd certainly be convinced). Now there is the caveat that there were different wording in the PMs based on the host. Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 05:41 BrownBear wrote: Both Artanis and I sent out role PMs, to make our workload easier. As such, take the following conclusions with a grain of salt: Confirmed players from my perspective: - Bill Murray
- ~OpZ~
- XeliN (maybe, first one to put 2-2 together but never identified "townie" as the correct solution).
Suspect players from my perspective: - BloodyC0bbler (claimed "town")
- DoctorHelvetica (claimed "town")
- infinitestory (claimed "town")
- Divinek (just didn't get it, went off on XeliN)
- Amber[LighT] (just didn't get it, went off on XeliN)
- Nuke (just didn't get it)
Still need to look at the votes over the past day to see if there's anything worthwhile there. But I'm certainly curious as to what one of the "town" players will flip ~ if town, then there's possibly a host discrepancy. If not, then this only confirms my suspicions. It's the strongest lead we've got and I see no reason not to pursue it. Anyway I'm off to bed to mull this over.
you realize the whole point of what bill was saying was that people who claimed town were town right?
what an awfully long post with zero content and zero point
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On October 08 2010 15:42 XeliN wrote: And Dr I ought to add, because it will be painfully obvious to the mafia at this point, that I am a Green Town player.
The only way I would come out openly about being 100% assured that Bill is a Green Town player is if I was also a Green Town player and could see right off the bat what he was attempting to achieve in his PM shenanigans.
i think we should drop the PM shenanigans for good
we already know some people got told townie and some got told town so it's irrelevant, let's move on please onto something that actually has weight in this game
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On October 08 2010 16:16 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +town players were not PM'ed the word "town" but rather "townie" as their role. XeliN sums this up nicely: actually, it's the opposite, siniquity. you must be blue/mafia. don't be stupid it has literally been confirmed by the mod that this is not the case
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On October 08 2010 16:25 Bill Murray wrote: actually, doctorh, mine isn't like that.
yours isn't like what?
some received a pm that said town some received townie, this has been confirmed and the fact that you're still falling back on your PM trap that was proved to be completely worthless is pathetic
please drop it
i'm more interested to hear why you think crisis_ and cynanmachae are scum since no one has made a good case for either of them yet
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On October 08 2010 16:27 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 16:16 XeliN wrote: Well I am being criticised - indirectly of course because it's almost asif people don't actually want me to respond to anything and want to maintain the luxury of making claim after claim - for "supporting bill"
Now the extent to which I have "supported bill" is that I, from an early stage, claimed him to be 100% Green Town in my eyes.
I agree the PM shenanigans should be dropped but in order to actually explain my position on why I think Bill is clearly town I need to mention the PM stuff that went on.
Otherwise It's going to be quite difficult to respond to people who state something like "Came out and supported bill with no evidence or reasoning...."
The entire "evidence" and reasoning is, as I have already mentioned, because I could immediately see what Bill was trying to achieve in his PM talk. The PM stuff is inextricably linked with that.
If people will stop using my "support" of bill as an argument for my lynch then I will stop making reference to things that happened earlier in the thread. If anything your support of me should confirm you as a player. You were the only person to really pick up on what I was saying, other than perhaps InfiniteStory. I'd like to hear more on what he meant. I doubt he was claiming town as blue, but was claiming "town" as green. That's what I was doing, because it is a good strategy to weed out the greens through the word "town" NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
it was proven false it was proven false literally 100% proven false by brownbear because some received differently worded role pm's from artanis some received differently worded role pm's from artanis some received differently worded role pm's from artanis
some received differently worded role pm's from artanis
how many times is that going to be brought up before you accept it and stop pretending that the town/townie distinction means anything
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On October 08 2010 17:00 Bill Murray wrote: at least i'm not slinging ad hom like BC "yeah my whole argument isuseless but at least i'm not as bad as BC"
you just keep getting worse and worse
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On October 08 2010 17:01 Bill Murray wrote: it also is cool some people picked up on that, because some got them from BB I am sorry he worded his role pm that way, and I am not posting it or anything. I could be lying, right? It's all WIFOM.
well i'm glad you're admitting your argument has been useless. so i'm guessing that means you have to take back any accusations made on the basis of your non existent trap
does this mean you're going to drop it?
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On October 08 2010 17:07 XeliN wrote: Dr claiming there is nothing of value whatsoever to be gleaned from the earlier PM discussions due to the fact it has now been revealed that 2 types were sent is false imo. Using them as a basis for argument may have flaws but the idea that they lack any merit whatsoever is not true.
how do they have any merit when you couldn't possibly trap anyone with them considering both terms were used in role PM's?
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On October 08 2010 17:08 Bill Murray wrote: I believed BC was mafia before the trap based upon Happy.Fairytale's play. I actually got stuck in WIFOM land with opz, not sure if he's blue/mafia. See my above post. I felt like I've already dropped it. I'm going to go put my vote on someone where it counts. good.
I'd like to hear your case for crisis_, I've been a bit suspicious of him myself. Although I don't have any reason I'm aware of to suspect cynanmachae. Would you mind elaborating on why you believe him to be mafia?
You are under a lot of pressure as a potential mafia/VI right now so you better back-up anything and everything you say. Hopefully with something that's true this time.
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On October 08 2010 17:10 Bill Murray wrote: is kane]deth[ or RoL playing? kane]deth[ voted lol he apparently wants to double lynch Can we wagon NukeTheBunnys?
kanedeth came back
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On October 08 2010 17:13 Bill Murray wrote: basically, we have a day to put pressure on someone. We need to start a wagon on mafia. Who are your top suspects, DoctorH?
I suspect misder of being mafia
I suspect Xelin and cynanmachae of being red or blue, I also suspect opz is a red or blue role although I don't feel comfortable deciding which. I plan on doing a lot more analysis tomorrow, it's quite late.
That's why I particularly want to hear your case about cynanmachae
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On October 08 2010 17:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 17:13 Bill Murray wrote: basically, we have a day to put pressure on someone. We need to start a wagon on mafia. Who are your top suspects, DoctorH? I suspect misder of being mafia I suspect Xelin and cynanmachae of being red or blue, I also suspect opz is a red or blue role although I don't feel comfortable deciding which. I plan on doing a lot more analysis tomorrow, it's quite late. That's why I particularly want to hear your case about cynanmachae
if you want to put pressure on nukethebunnys I'm ok with that. he hasn't posted much and I've seen his name come up a few times but I haven't taken the time to really analyze his posts yet
another name thats on my radar is SINiquity. he has hardly posted but he just now pops in with a huge post in response to your arguments that made no sense and had a 100% wrong conclusion. came off as a weak attempt to cause distraction. by then we had moved on from what you were saying and were putting pressure on misder and xelin and he comes back to revisit it while also harshly misinterpreting what you were saying and your conclusions
what do you think of that?
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On October 08 2010 17:19 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 17:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 17:07 XeliN wrote: Dr claiming there is nothing of value whatsoever to be gleaned from the earlier PM discussions due to the fact it has now been revealed that 2 types were sent is false imo. Using them as a basis for argument may have flaws but the idea that they lack any merit whatsoever is not true. how do they have any merit when you couldn't possibly trap anyone with them considering both terms were used in role PM's? Well for example some, such as I, will be able to form an opinion of Bill alignment. Also earlier in the thread when put under pressure by Bill some people seem people seemed very reluctant and almost dodging the issue when asked. Such a reaction would certainly be consistent with a mafia player being put under pressure to pretend to be a role they are not but try not to get caught in a lie. it's mainly useful for determining towns people as the reaction given by some makes it quite likely they are Town. I agree with you though using it as evidence of people being trapped definitively doesn't work due to the fact we do not know how all of the PM's were phrased.
I can get behind this. I think Bill is probably green and this is part of the reason I dislike the push earlier in this thread to force mafia to kill him or we lynch him. I really doubt he's mafia or village idiot
in fact if anyone is village idiot it's probably crisis_
On October 07 2010 14:54 Crisis_ wrote: So about my "rock and hard place" comment, I was talking about how I was 2nd on the votelist, and I didn't have much of a choice, otherwise I would have been lynched. Why would I want to die on day 1?...
Oh and if you don't believe I'm not red, you can go ahead and lynch me to find out. Sheesh.
he's been playing quite suspiciously and it all seems a little bit hammed up to me. forced if you will. I'm not gonna call him out as 100% VI but I don't think we should lynch him. in fact he is a good candidate for a rolecheck
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On October 08 2010 17:23 XeliN wrote:Moving on however, Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 17:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 08 2010 17:13 Bill Murray wrote: basically, we have a day to put pressure on someone. We need to start a wagon on mafia. Who are your top suspects, DoctorH? I suspect Xelin and cynanmachae of being red or blue, For what reasons do you think I am Red or Blue. Outline your thought process behind the suspicion.
because of what BB said when you weren't modkilled
you also said something along the lines that you were "waiting on a piece of information" and that struck me as a possible reference to a DT rolecheck. If you could clarify what you meant by that that would be great.
On October 08 2010 05:22 XeliN wrote: I'll make a concise post addressing all of you wonderful people questioning me in a little bit, currently I am waiting on a piece of information.
To briefly outline a few things however.
I believe Bill to be 100% Green Town I am suspicious of the assertion that both Brown and Artanis sent out role PM's, my inclination is to think only Brown did My vote on Bloody was initially a more sincere one, now it is a placeholder whilst I evaluate, if it makes any of you feel more comfortable I'll change it to myself Divinek likes to say fuck
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On October 08 2010 17:39 Bill Murray wrote: it could be a lie to save the mafia i could be a 10 year old asian girl
lets not go down this path please
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On October 09 2010 03:22 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 01:40 CynanMachae wrote:On October 08 2010 18:51 kingjames01 wrote: - CynanMachae ##Vote Padain (2:42 remaining) Comment: You were in the lead and headed to the gallows. With only 2:42 left before nightfall, why did you not vote for Crisis_ so that you were not in the lead??? Is it possible that you DON'T want Crisis_ to be lynched?
I voted for Pandain because I believed him to be suspect at that point. I didn't vote for Crisis_ to save myself either because I didn't think the votes against me were that threatening, since they all happened earlier on and most of the later discussion were on other suspects. As for my yesterday's inactivity (which people pointed out), I already said that I didn't post because of BM's crap and there was only a bunch of useless posts for pretty much the last 5-6 pages when I last caught up. If anyone is going to blame me for not taking part in that then go ahead. I'm not convinced we are going to have that much information for double lynches tomorrow. I'm going through the posts of each player one at a time, so far in my pro-town players I have LSB, Amber[Light], kingjames and on my red suspects I have BM, Pandain and Crisis_ The thing is, there were less than three hours to go. And instead of saving yourself, you voted a person who was sure not to get lynched. In fact, you even suspect Crisis now and yet you didn't vote for him. So, here's what we can deduce from that 1.You didn't feel threatened. Commentary: But why is this? There were less than three hours to go. So I think it's a viable assumption to say you felt that another person would spring up. And in fact, in the last 3 hours Proctat got 5 votes. Suspicious, much? It's suspicious enough that I declare a Panda Investigative Decree that enables me to look through your posts without a warrant. Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 15:13 CynanMachae wrote: Well if random pick is chosen, how would you suggest doing it so that it's fair and objective?
And Misder, there isn't really much red hunting possible on the first day... Small post, doesn't really say anything. All this says is "I don't know what to do. You tell me." While that's okay for newer players to an extent, Cynan has played several games before. This isn't neccesarily bad, sprouting ideas, but it isn't that good either. Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 02:13 CynanMachae wrote:On October 06 2010 01:54 Divinek wrote: ##vote CynanMachine At least you could get my name right (but I would blame it on that list <<) And whoever said that I haven't posted, I did. It wasn't anytihng much useful but still. On October 06 2010 00:21 NukeTheBunnys wrote:On October 04 2010 15:13 CynanMachae wrote: Well if random pick is chosen, how would you suggest doing it so that it's fair and objective?
And Misder, there isn't really much red hunting possible on the first day... Is Cynan's only post thus far, so he is not completely inactive. However due to trying to convince people you cant hunt reds the first day, and trying to stay below the radar by posting the bare minimum, I am accusing him of being Mafia. Defend yourself or get lynched. I didn't say you can't do anything, but yes, one the first day it's very hard to find much because if red play somewhat semi-decently there isn't enough speculation around to have enough hints that someone is red. But sure if you have any suspisions share them. I'm going to vote for an inactive as well, I don't like the random method, cause it does seems to me that its kinda hard to achieve anything with that. And like DrH said, saying that we are voting for an inactive force them to post, and force them to put stuff around that can be analyzed if they are indeed red. Voting agaisnt random doesn't accomplish anything cause it doesn't force them to do anything, just wait. Several things wrong with this. First, he doesn't do what he says. "1.I'm going to vote for an inactive." 8 hours later he votes for me. Now, he's already said that he doesn't think theres going to be enough speculation. And it's not too far a stretch to say that he may have found enough evidence on me to indicate I might be mafia. Really the only thign he contributes here is "Voting against random doesn't accomplish anything cause it doesn't force them to do anything." Anything else he doesn't do, repeats what others said, or states the obvious. Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 10:22 CynanMachae wrote: Wow, am I really leading in votes so far? Lynching me would really be a bad idea.
I agree with all of you that Padain's posting is a bit weird on defending me, since he can't know that I'm not mafia from my 2 posts and saying I'm playing the same as usual is really not much cause I don't think I've even changed my playstyle much in games were I was mafia, and these two posts really don't say anything right now.
So, since Padain can't know I'm not mafia (no detective play yet), the only way that he can be sure that I'm town is if he's mafia himself. He's probably hoping I do get lynched and can play the "told you so" card then. Not that I think it's a wise decision for a mafia but else I don't see why he would be defending me. The only reason I would see is if he believed we should lynch people that are more inactive, but he didn't seem to suggest that. This is perhaps one of the most interesting posts. Now, let's analyze some stuff. Woah... was that a soft blue claim? Or was it just saying "im townie so don't lynch me. " This is something that must be noted. However, if he's blue, and he's on the lynch, then why is he voting for me? Him and crisis are tied at 3 votes, and if he's blue why doesn't he saeve himself? He's already noted he's tied for leading in votes. That doesn't make sense. Also in this post he leaps to several conclusions that do not spring from the facts. Let's see what he says 1. "Pandain knows I'm town, therefore he must be mafia. "Whats wrong: First off, I don't know your town. I was merely stating that you have been playing along with your normal behavior in previous games. Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 05:56 Pandain wrote:. However, I should point out that I did not say Cynan was innocent, rather that we don't have enough evidence to lynch him.
Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 05:27 Pandain wrote: I don't count Cynan as inactive and Nobody should vote for him because his actions thus far are in accordance with his previous play. That's not to say I'm not watching him(I am) but he's not that suspicious to me.
I clearly state my reasons for stating them, and it is because he was consistent with his previous play. Second off, does analysis play no role in determining if someone is mafia? You seem to have left that out. Cynan's post here does not make sense from a self serving perspective or a logical perspective and really only comes to light if he's mafia. 2."Pandain wants to get me lynched so he can build town cred." Show nested quote +He's probably hoping I do get lynched and can play the "told you so" card then. Not that I think it's a wise decision for a mafia but else I don't see why he would be defending me. Whats wrong: How would defending you when you only had two votes at the time help get you lynched? That doesn't make any sense. Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:02 CynanMachae wrote: God, what the hell is this, this isn't gonna go anywhere, guys you should just ignore BM -_- *yawn* Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 01:40 CynanMachae wrote:On October 08 2010 18:51 kingjames01 wrote: - CynanMachae ##Vote Padain (2:42 remaining) Comment: You were in the lead and headed to the gallows. With only 2:42 left before nightfall, why did you not vote for Crisis_ so that you were not in the lead??? Is it possible that you DON'T want Crisis_ to be lynched?
I voted for Pandain because I believed him to be suspect at that point. I didn't vote for Crisis_ to save myself either because I didn't think the votes against me were that threatening, since they all happened earlier on and most of the later discussion were on other suspects. As for my yesterday's inactivity (which people pointed out), I already said that I didn't post because of BM's crap and there was only a bunch of useless posts for pretty much the last 5-6 pages when I last caught up. If anyone is going to blame me for not taking part in that then go ahead. I'm not convinced we are going to have that much information for double lynches tomorrow. I'm going through the posts of each player one at a time, so far in my pro-town players I have LSB, Amber[Light], kingjames and on my red suspects I have BM, Pandain and Crisis_ Alright last non-spam post by him. First off, you didn't say you didn't post because of BM's waste, don't make that up. And due to the soft claim blue it seems, I'm suprised you didn't find it that threatening WITH ONLY 3 HOURS TO GO! Also now he's not votin gdouble lynch, which is extremely anti town because 1.It allows BM the VI/ BM the Mafia to possibly live through the night if no vigi. 2. We WILL have enough info already, look at all this debate we have. Cynan is Mafia
What I find to be the most interesting aspect of this, is that although you defended him from a lynch he immediately jumped to attack you, this doesn't seem very reasonable to me.
I'd rather vote for infinitestory or SINiquity right now. infinitestory started this game with bad arguments, admitted he cracked under pressure, admitted his arguments were bad, then continued the rest of the game contributing nothing and riding on the coattails of other peoples arguments. That's pretty scummy if you ask me.
I'm going over SINiquitys posts right now. He hasn't argued even a single original thought but he did manage to spam the shit out of the thread for a while. Then he comes back with a huge long post trying to deflect attention back to Bill Murrays failed arguments, except he twisted the conclusions around to incriminate me and other players BM never accused in the first place.
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On October 09 2010 04:13 Pandain wrote: Alright, I'll go over Infinitestory's posts too
check out SINiquity as well, he's a pretty big blip on my radar right now
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I'm going with Misder. Like I said, I really feel that Xelin could be a blue role and I'm uncomfortable voting for him on that basis.
I'm really really really suspicious of SINiquity. If he doesn't adequately defend himself before this lynch I think he is a better candidate than Misder but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.
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On October 09 2010 07:49 BrownBear wrote:A disclaimer: Since it is Friday night, the night post might be a little late. I will not accept votes timestamped after the night ends, but I might be out blazed in the woods somewhere at midnight, so won't be able to write up the post. It will happen though, don't worry aw
what about artanis?
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On October 09 2010 08:04 kingjames01 wrote:We need to hold on a second here. First, a HUGE discrepancy in CynanMachae's play was found. There was less than 3 hours left in the vote and he was first in line to be lynched. His best play was to vote for Crisis_ and he didn't. Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 18:51 kingjames01 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + CynanMachae October 06 2010 10:18. ##Vote Padain Cumulative Votes: (2:42 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1
What I have noticed while summarizing this information: - Protactinium only had 1 vote until less than 3 hours remaining - Bill Murray voted first for Protactinium with almost 25 hours remaining - When the votes started coming in for Protactinium, two players were at-risk of being lynched: Crisis_ and CynanMachae with 3 votes each - CynanMachae had received his 3rd vote first thus placing him on the chopping block according to the rule clarified by Artanis[Xp] mid-game After this point, the order of voting was: - CynanMachae ##Vote Padain (2:42 remaining) Comment: You were in the lead and headed to the gallows. With only 2:42 left before nightfall, why did you not vote for Crisis_ so that you were not in the lead??? Is it possible that you DON'T want Crisis_ to be lynched? HE WAS GOING TO GET LYNCHED AND DID NOT VOTE TO SAVE HIMSELF. Think about that. If you want to stay in the game, there's only one correct play. You vote for the other guy. The only way that this is understandable is if: A) He WANTS to be lynched. B) He KNOWS he's not going to be lynched. Let's examine his defence. Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 03:56 CynanMachae wrote:On October 09 2010 03:22 Pandain wrote: The thing is, there were less than three hours to go. And instead of saving yourself, you voted a person who was sure not to get lynched. In fact, you even suspect Crisis now and yet you didn't vote for him. So, here's what we can deduce from that 1.You didn't feel threatened. Commentary: But why is this? There were less than three hours to go. So I think it's a viable assumption to say you felt that another person would spring up. And in fact, in the last 3 hours Proctat got 5 votes. Suspicious, much?
So you are basically saying that out of the 4 mafias leftover (since i would be the 5th one), I knew that they would swing it over by all voting for someone else and saving me? Seems a pretty dumb mafia move right there with the 6 voters on Protactanium and bumatlarge being a confirmed green. I didn't feel threatened cause the 3 votes I had happened very early on with quite bad reasons and the rest of the thread was about others suspects/inactives pretty much. 3 hours is quite a lot of time if I come back and see I'm getting the rest of the votes. Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 18:51 kingjames01 wrote: Anyway, I'd like to sum up the voting from the first day and what information I can glean out of it. Please add to, refute, expand or whatever to this discussion:
- The first day we lynched the Village Idiot, Protactinium. What can we learn? - There were 5 mafia and 20 non-mafia to begin the game - Protactinium was the Village Idiot and thus non-mafia - Mafia knew that he was non-mafia but not which role and thus a candidate to vote for the lynch - 6 votes went to Protactinium so at most 5 votes came from the mafia
Now, I'd like to suggest that we look really closely at Crisis_, CynanMachae, ghrur and infinitestory.
What I have noticed while summarizing this information: - Protactinium only had 1 vote until less than 3 hours remaining - Bill Murray voted first for Protactinium with almost 25 hours remaining - When the votes started coming in for Protactinium, two players were at-risk of being lynched: Crisis_ and CynanMachae with 3 votes each - CynanMachae had received his 3rd vote first thus placing him on the chopping block according to the rule clarified by Artanis[Xp] mid-game
After this point, the order of voting was: - CynanMachae ##Vote Padain (2:42 remaining) Comment: You were in the lead and headed to the gallows. With only 2:42 left before nightfall, why did you not vote for Crisis_ so that you were not in the lead??? Is it possible that you DON'T want Crisis_ to be lynched?
- ghrur ##vote protactinium (2:24 remaining) - infinitestory ##vote proactinium (2:11 remaining) Comment: Twenty minutes apart, two votes come in to make 3 players tied in votes. Interesting. Coincidence or not? I will continue and see if a pattern emerges.
SiNiquity ##vote protactinium (1:46 remaining) Comment: New leader in the votes
NukeTheBunnys changing vote (##Unvote CynanMachae) ##vote Protactinium (0:53 remaining) Comment: NukeTheBunnys removes CynanMachae out of the running to be lynched and moves Protactinium ahead of Crisis_. Now, even if Crisis_ receives an extra vote, Protactinium will still be lynched since he reached 4 votes first. This seems to be in line with CynanMachae's earlier play.
Crisis_ ##Vote Protactinium (0:44 remaining) Comment: This vote could be made to save himself even though he is behind at this point. Again, this seems to be along the same thought process as CynanMachae's earlier vote.
infinitestory ##Unvote (Protactinium) ##Vote: JeeJee (0:26 remaining) Comment: If I were to analyze this vote in terms of what has been written above, then it seems now that Protactinium is ahead in the voting and neither CynanMachae nor Crisis_ are at risk, infinitestory retracts his earlier vote and votes for someone who can not be lynched with only 1 vote. Why waste your vote with less than half an hour left? Is this coincidence or is this a purposeful move to cover your earlier vote?
bumatlarge ##vote protactinium (0:03 remaining) Comment: bumatlarge turns out to be a Green and so there is no malice in this vote. CynanMachae's defence is that to claim mafia would not expend 4 votes to save one person so it can't be true. But what if the mafia thought they could save 2 of their own? CynanMachae and Crisis_? That's the difference between 2 Kills and 1 Kill a night... Doesn't this warrant more attention from us? Now, I'm going to go on the record and say that I don't think that CynanMachae is mafia. From his defence post, which I truncated, I think that he didn't realize how close he was to being lynched or the best play to save himself. I think he made a mistake but won't admit to it now. I'd like another explanation please. Did you REALLY gamble on your fate because you GUESSED that someone else would earn 6 more votes (one was repealed)? That seems too flimsy to let pass. Now, I want to make my real point. There's something really wrong about what's going on in the last few hours. It seems to me that there's a lot of posturing or manipulation going on in plain sight. XeliN and NukeTheBunnys are attacking each other and everyone else is staying silent. What are we hoping for? That one or both are mafia and might slip up? Pandain is applying pressure to CynanMachae to get him to open up. DoctorHelvetica weighs in and suggests infinitestory or SiNiquity. CynanMachae defends himself but not completely and then Pandain decides to back down and starts to look at infinitestory. DoctorHelvetica chimes in and says to look at SiNiquity. After Pandain takes a good look at infinitestory he concludes that there is not enough to go on and implies that the suggestion to investigate SiNiquity is a valid one but won't make the effort. Why is DoctorHelvetica calling the shots? What did I miss? Has DoctorHelvetica been confirmed as Blue? I may not be experienced but I feel as though we are being manipulated. He comes into the thread, makes some suggestions about other players and disappears letting others do the work. If he cares so much about finding proof against infinitestory or SiNiquity then why doesn't he do the work himself? Now he's gone and started a bandwagon against Misder. This is ludicrous. My suggestion is for the Detective to check him tonight. Unfortunatly, there's no way for the detective to reveal DoctorHelvetica's role without putting himself at risk. Without the ability to PM, we need to keep the Detective hidden. Has anyone ever played a game without PM's? How do we use the Detective? I've said I'll be doing deeper analysis later today. I actually have quite a bit to do today and I'm not prepared to make a big post yet. It's coming.
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