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On August 29 2010 06:45 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:36 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 06:20 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:15 ~OpZ~ wrote: Zeks, you're in a bad position. There is one way to prove you're role cop and tell us Fishball's role...That would be the only way I see you living. Which even then...It's kind of slim. As I've said, Role Cop isn't exactly the most powerful role in the world, in my mind.
Anyway, I see some problems with everything, and you can't be town aligned. We know he's rolecop, I was the one to prove it. The problem is if he is town aligned. Zeks, if you are town aligned, please do not disclose Fishball's Role. Fishball could be thinking of a strategy, and it is always bad for Mafia to know more blue roles than necessary. How did you prove it? You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong. Nevermind. I understand. You would of been on the same team, how would you two of picked the same roles....Shit...I need to think about this a little more. I still feel Zeks is something like SK. Please elaborate. I was reading this and my thought pattern was all jumbled from my earlier post. I would like to know how he's proven. Also. 4 mafia visited Zeks either that or 4 other roles. I find it hard to believe that 4 different investigative roles visited Zeks without a single mafia doing so. If it was only mafia visiting and what he's saying about being saved is true, there would be 5 visitors. So if 4 others really did visit him, 1 doctor, 2 of this (tracker, alignment cop, bullet bill), SK and 1 watcher(doesn't count in the original 4) as I find it hard to believe even JOAT would visit him. Poor play/luck on the part of power roles if this is true. Either that or Compulsive Vig shot him but then rastaban would claim that so Zek's claim would be true correct? Thus CV did not shoot. He couldn't anyways. It was night 1. We can then conclude that Zeks was either converted or never visited by mafia.
I just got back from some weekend activities and I see my name all over the place. What have you done ~Opz~?
Just went through 9 pages, and wanted to make a quick short comment to the bold part up top.
Comp Vig cannot shoot on Night 1...
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On August 29 2010 11:56 LSB wrote:Hey Fishball This is the most important post Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 04:52 LSB wrote: Here's what I think. It seems so Obvious, I'm facepalming myself for not noticing it.
Subversion Picked Rolecop. I am 100% certain, he is mafia, Rolecop is THE town role here. We should have already figured that out This is confirmed because Zeks claims that he has a role that the mafia wants dead.
But was blocked, so mafia knows that Zeks is Rolecop Mafia tries to kill Zeks
But! Zeks is actually Serial Killer. So it doesn't work!! Zeks CANNOT claim, because we know that a doctor couldn't have protected him.
##VOTE: Zeks Because he is Serial Killer.
Note, SK will not work for us, he is decidedly anti town Feel free to ask questions.
I was about to take a shower, then come back and organize myself to reply to some of those posts dedicated to me, as well as comment on our situation.
But since you singled me out, in reply to your post, I think this is pretty much the most likely scenario from all the information given in the last 9 pages.
All we know for now is that: - Zeks got hit, and Zeks survived. - Zeks claim RC, which means he is either protected by a Medic, or he is the SK. - Bum claims 4 people visited Zeks, and it is very likely that there are at least 4 Mafia. Which also means he could not have been protected by the Medic. - Hence Zeks is an SK/RC.
If Zeks lied about being the RC, then he probably is Mafia anyways and should be lynched regardless. If Bum lied about the tracking results, then he should be Mafia/SK.
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On August 29 2010 11:57 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 11:50 Fishball wrote:On August 29 2010 06:45 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 29 2010 06:36 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 06:20 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:15 ~OpZ~ wrote: Zeks, you're in a bad position. There is one way to prove you're role cop and tell us Fishball's role...That would be the only way I see you living. Which even then...It's kind of slim. As I've said, Role Cop isn't exactly the most powerful role in the world, in my mind.
Anyway, I see some problems with everything, and you can't be town aligned. We know he's rolecop, I was the one to prove it. The problem is if he is town aligned. Zeks, if you are town aligned, please do not disclose Fishball's Role. Fishball could be thinking of a strategy, and it is always bad for Mafia to know more blue roles than necessary. How did you prove it? You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong. Nevermind. I understand. You would of been on the same team, how would you two of picked the same roles....Shit...I need to think about this a little more. I still feel Zeks is something like SK. Please elaborate. I was reading this and my thought pattern was all jumbled from my earlier post. I would like to know how he's proven. Also. 4 mafia visited Zeks either that or 4 other roles. I find it hard to believe that 4 different investigative roles visited Zeks without a single mafia doing so. If it was only mafia visiting and what he's saying about being saved is true, there would be 5 visitors. So if 4 others really did visit him, 1 doctor, 2 of this (tracker, alignment cop, bullet bill), SK and 1 watcher(doesn't count in the original 4) as I find it hard to believe even JOAT would visit him. Poor play/luck on the part of power roles if this is true. Either that or Compulsive Vig shot him but then rastaban would claim that so Zek's claim would be true correct? Thus CV did not shoot. He couldn't anyways. It was night 1. We can then conclude that Zeks was either converted or never visited by mafia. I just got back from some weekend activities and I see my name all over the place. What have you done ~Opz~? Just went through 9 pages, and wanted to make a quick short comment to the bold part up top. Comp Vig cannot shoot on Night 1... Are you kidding me? The 2nd sentence after the one you bold is: I am not going to pretend I follow SR's logic, but that was a very odd post from you Fishball. THAT is what you wanted to comment on from the last 9 pages? Sin's profile quote, which you cited earlier, seems to fit quite nicely: Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 08:18 Fishball wrote: Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something; trolls just because.
Ok, I misread the post. Good job pointing it though. I also find it very hard to believe that I would make such a mistake when I just got home not long ago, was eating dinner while reading through 9 pages at the same time. Damn the internet is such a tough world to survive in.
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So more has happened in the past couple hours, including Zeks getting lynched and Pandain pardoning him.
Anyways, in this post I'll focus on replying to those posts directed to me earlier during the day as promised.
On August 29 2010 03:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:If you don't mind, Radfield. Sir, I would like your opinion also.
So ~OpZ~, I know you like to say you have been following me for a few games, and you mentioned you cannot trust fellow "vets", but lets just find out how much do you know about my "style", shall we?
On August 29 2010 03:24 Radfield wrote: Yeah, I'm not 100% sure what you're asking me. Going through 7 games is a bit daunting, especially without the 'All' function. However, I'll certainly take your word that he's posting more than normal.
As far as my opinion on his play this game, he was basically off my radar until your post. I didn't have him down as scummy, nor as pro-town. I had looked through his posts once before, but had mostly skim read them. Looking through his posts again though changes my mind slightly. He has posted content, but also a lot of small one-two liners. His content also mainly consists of talk about the traitor, or other minor theorycrafting/questioning.
His large posts focus on the traitor scenario(laying out options), the CompVig(clarifying why hesmyrr picked CV), a vote on Hesmyrr, another post about the traitor.
He hasn't seriously fingered anyone as scummy, in fact has gone out of his way not to. He also hasn't really contributed anything as far as opinions or specific thoughts.
My read on him is certainly more scummy than before. Enough to recommend investigation, but not yet a lynch.
What are your thoughts?
I generally don't like to pull a player's behavioral history from previous games and use it exclusively as a scum indicator in a current game. I'm not saying ~OpZ~ is exactly doing that, and I should probably rephrase this. I actually use this type of information myself all the time, but just at a slightly more sophisticated level, and not just about a player posting less or more.
Now Radfield, like you said, I'm assuming you just took ~OpZ~ word, that "I posted more in this game", and went through my posts to come to this comment. I understand where you are coming from with limited information, but hear me out.
I started playing since the first TL Mafia, which was more than two and a half years ago. To think that one's "game style" doesn't change over such a period of time, is just plain naive. Now, the first game I played with you was in Three Kingdoms Mafia (which isn't exactly a Mafia game), so you probably won't know my so called "style" just by reading ~OpZ~'s post, so lets try to elaborate on this a bit more using my more recent game history.
In your post above, you said
His large posts focus on the traitor scenario(laying out options), the CompVig(clarifying why hesmyrr picked CV), a vote on Hesmyrr, another post about the traitor.
He hasn't seriously fingered anyone as scummy, in fact has gone out of his way not to. He also hasn't really contributed anything as far as opinions or specific thoughts.
I mainly play the probability game, and try to come in from as many angles as possible, weighing all the options/scenarios to try to come up with the best decision. Unless something is blatantly wrong, I will almost never directly point a finger at anyone.
I usually transform these options/scenarios into multiple questions, and let the players answer them and decide whether to follow suit, whether to agree/disagree with me, and make their own decisions. This way, my thought process is transparent to everyone, and people can see where I am coming from. If everything makes sense, we should always come to the same conclusion. It also promotes different thoughts and ideas when certain choices are weighed very similar to each other.
Some examples I can think of are this game, in Three Kingdoms Mafia, and TL Mafia XVIII which was played 7 months ago. Speaking of TL Mafia XVIII, a game with clues; A player pointed out there were set of clues that matched johnnyspazz's profile, Sonic the hedgehog. To me, it was a 100% match, but the majority of the town ignored it. This is the only time I can recall that I pointed all ten of my fingers at a specific player. It was that bad.
In Micro-MAFIA (The First), a 9 player game; At the beginning I made a speculation (I know this word is hard to understand for certain people) list based on the probability of where/how the roles would land. It was supposed to be taken lightly (I did say I like to look at things from every possible angle right?). However, certain players jumped on my throat, even though I tried explained multiple times. Funny thing is, even to my surprise, the list was right! Lucky? Maybe, but go figure.
In the final win-or-lose moments of that game, I decided to vote for Ace base on this post. This is what I mean by behavioral analysis, and not just "Oh you posted less/more!!". Feel free to read through this game as it is only 20 somewhat pages.
So I'm going to ask you again ~Opz~. Do you really know my "style"?
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Nice, more drama when I was typing that up.
Yes I am Bullet Bill.
Regarding Zeks saying that "I did not follow the plan", just keep this in mind. - Ace Changed the draft pick 3 times - Look at the draft list on page 19 (2nd version). - Not everyone is exactly free every single day. I try my best to follow. I mean if citizen was able to catch my life shattering mistake on page 50, then this shouldn't be such a shocker, right?
On August 29 2010 14:31 Pandain wrote: 1.Fishball reveal what you found for one. You've already been revealed.
Are you serious? Should I even have to explain this? I will have no further comments until Ace's posts is up (no matter lynch or no lynch) and more people has spoken up.
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I don't know about your alignment at the end Zeks, but if you are pro-town, then like you said earlier, leaking my role isn't exactly the best interest of town at this point, but what's done is done...
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On August 29 2010 15:27 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...Regardless Fishball, you NEVER post when your blue, except your witty satires. You're acting extremely defensive right now, and as many times as I've accused you in the past you just ignore me. Why the sudden interest in seeming pro-town?
You've even picked Bullet Bill way early. Why? We know your role, so who did you look at last night? Have you missed all those posts, in your useless no content post you've just posted, as a way to argue a point you normally wouldn't care about?
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- This is Pick Your Power Mafia. What are the chances of getting blue? - I'm have the 8th pick. What are the chances of getting blue? - In a regular game of 30+ people, what are the chances of getting blue? - The last regular game I played was TL Mafia XVIII, 7 months ago. - Extremely defensive, as in showing you, and Radfield who hardly knows me, the logic behind my thoughts with actual and detailed evidence? - You want me to find you those old posts in old games, that I told you to "get you facts straight"? - BB early? Read top post. - Useless content? Normally I wouldn't care about? What?
So you're basically telling me you didn't read and/or understand anything I said in my long post. Well I'm not surprised...
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On August 29 2010 15:29 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 15:23 Fishball wrote:On August 29 2010 14:31 Pandain wrote: 1.Fishball reveal what you found for one. You've already been revealed.
Are you serious? Should I even have to explain this? I will have no further comments until Ace's posts is up (no matter lynch or no lynch) and more people has spoken up. I don't understand. I'm sorry, can you just look past my stupidy and please explain?
No matter what has been said, even Zeks claims he is SK, I'm not taking any chances until Ace confirms.
Also, revealing my check results means Mafia will get it too. SK aside, Mafia already know who "should" have guns. If I checked someone with guns and is not one of their own, who wold that be? The JOAT.
Things get a lot more complicated from there.
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Not just that.
What if The JOAT is Mafia? The Mafia can use him to blend in, and could potentially sabotage Town plans. Specifics? I don't have in mind, but just a hypothetical theory.
That is why things gets a lot more complicated.
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On August 29 2010 16:12 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 15:54 Fishball wrote:On August 29 2010 15:29 Pandain wrote:On August 29 2010 15:23 Fishball wrote:On August 29 2010 14:31 Pandain wrote: 1.Fishball reveal what you found for one. You've already been revealed.
Are you serious? Should I even have to explain this? I will have no further comments until Ace's posts is up (no matter lynch or no lynch) and more people has spoken up. I don't understand. I'm sorry, can you just look past my stupidy and please explain? No matter what has been said, even Zeks claims he is SK, I'm not taking any chances until Ace confirms. Also, revealing my check results means Mafia will get it too. SK aside, Mafia already know who "should" have guns. If I checked someone with guns and is not one of their own, who wold that be? The JOAT. Things get a lot more complicated from there. i was going to suggest checking our CV/BS maybe but that seems silly, because the only thing it could confirm is that they didnt follow the plan. Cause if they're mafia and passed it down to their buddies, yeah... it really sucks the sk had to get role cop, At least he actually shared with us, im assuming by his list that means he checked bb? But he only had time for one check and has checked fishball, so is that just his opinion then im assuming? because i don't believe bb is town at all. Not that it's exactly easy with his 1 every cycle posts apologizing for why hes' NEVER here
Who the hell are you talking about? I'm the BB.
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Stop this Fishball crap when I'm not here.
The last post I made last night was 2am MST. I do need sleep too. Like mentioned last night, I am simply waiting for more people to comment. It at least gives me an indicator that more people have thought this over.
I checked ~Opz~ last night. He does not have a gun.
I have my reasons to check him. This guy has been bringing me up since like the very beginning of the game, when no one has like any info. Feels like he has been trying to paint me a certain color from the get-go. But after checking some older games when I wrote up the other post, seems like he does that to every so called "vet" player...
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I don't think having me check SR would be the best way to go. The Traitor scenario is only left with 3 players. Assuming SR is the Traitor afterall, do you think the Mafia would actually recruit him? He is bound to die sooner or later. Recruiting the Traitor doesn't increases the Mafias' KP. Leaving SR alone would be in their best interest, while they can focus their powers on other players. The only situation that I can think of where the Mafia would deliberately recruit a Traitor out in the open, would be at an end game nail-biting scenario when a single player count would be a win/lose.
Anyways, I think there are plenty of candidates on our player list to check. Some of the fishier players, we have BrownBear, JeeJee, DarthThienAn, SiNiquity, and Pandain. Hell, even Radfield is not confirmed. If I checked Radfield and he doesn't have a gun, Town basically have a smart, semi-confirmed Townie to go to, granted if me and Radfield are not Mafia.
I'll be picking one of the players listed above to check tonight.
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Stop using the term BB ;/
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On August 30 2010 06:40 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 02:59 citi.zen wrote: Radfield, I am confused with your proposals for tonight. For example, why CV LSB and use the Bullet Bill on SR? The way LSB flips will pretty much tell us what SR's alignment is, no? The issue I was thinking of, was that if LSB flips town, we still have to decide between chaoser and Southrawrea. BulletBill is useless on chaoser. Chaoser also has a useful town role right now(if he's not the traitor). By having CV on LSB, and BulletBill on SR, my thought was that we could resolve the traitor issue tonight. Then it was pointed out that if SR was the traitor, then there is a good chance he hasn't flipped to red yet, so the BulletBill would be useless. Which is a good point. BUT Does anyone actually think Southrawrea is the traitor? I don't. I think he's either a truthful town, or a mafia trying to screw with us(vengeful player, etc). Him actually being the traitor would be a bit bizarre in fact. My big hope was that we could resolve the traitor issue tonight. I'm not sure if that can happen anymore, so I'm open to other plans. Either a SR or LSB CV hit is fine with me. Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 04:36 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 30 2010 04:18 Fishball wrote: Stop this Fishball crap when I'm not here.
The last post I made last night was 2am MST. I do need sleep too. Like mentioned last night, I am simply waiting for more people to comment. It at least gives me an indicator that more people have thought this over.
I checked ~Opz~ last night. He does not have a gun.
I have my reasons to check him. This guy has been bringing me up since like the very beginning of the game, when no one has like any info. Feels like he has been trying to paint me a certain color from the get-go. But after checking some older games when I wrote up the other post, seems like he does that to every so called "vet" player... I was wondering why you visited me last night =/ Hold on a second here. Opz just claimed tracker, OK. I guess he didn't follow the plan after all, that's OK, there are good pro-town reasons he might take tracker instead. Fishball claims he visited Opz, which presumably he did, since Opz tracked him. One question Fishball: Why would you ever, EVER investigate Opz. Of all the people in the game, Opz is absolutely the worst for a pro-town player to BulletBill. Why? Because even if he has a gun, he is the most likely player to be the JOAT. Southrawrea had already admitted not following the plan, so that means Opz is a 50/50 shot at being the Joat. Of any player in the game, his result tells you the least, since if he shows up with a gun, you still have no idea of his alignment(unlike every other player in the game, with the possible exception of Jeejee, the other potential Joat). You either made a very stupid move, or one of two things happened: - You still thought we were using the old draft order. This is possible, I haven't bothered to check where Opz would even land. The fact is, that would be an outrageous mistake. Understandable you might not have checked the thread and seen the new draft order, and hence taken Bullet Bill. Not understandable that you decided to not read through the thread and notice the draft order changed. This is an unacceptable excuse.
- You are mafia. If you're mafia, everything makes perfect sense, because opz is absolutely the player you most to check. If he has a gun, it's almost certain that he's the joat, and the mafia really really want to kill the joat. Bullet Bill is a good role for mafia solely due to this reason.
You now have two strikes fishball: You picked Bullet Bill in the wrong slot
You investigated OpzOne more strike and you're out. In fact, we might be playing with a two strikes rule this game I'd like to hear what other people think. LSB, you still have yet to explain why you were so certain that zeks was the SK. + Show Spoiler [LSB's Defense] +On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 02:55 Radfield wrote: Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor? My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer.
I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered. First: we had no idea what subversion drafted, he could have gone for CompVig for all we knew. Second: Even if zeks did claim role cop, it could have still been bs, since of course he has to claim either role cop or a defensive role. But yes, it was foolish for him to claim role cop, that was his real mistake. Third: Zeks acting cornered doesn't make him more likely to be either SK or traitor. He was in the spotlight the moment I asked for his roleclaim, and he messed it up from there. At no point was the possibility of zeks being traitor zero. In fact, up until his admission of SK, I still thought he might be traitor. 1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#9512. You know that is dumb too. Why in the would would zeks fake claim role cop? We already told him. If you claim role cop, we're going to kill you. The only reason why he claimed role cop was because he knew he had no other claim. 3. If he had a legitimate reason, he wouldn't have messed up. Okay, so your basic premise is that I am a converted traitor right? (because there was no way I could know this) BulletBill investigating me should take care of that. 1. It's dumb?? That's your defense? How did you KNOW that subversion drafted role cop, and not one of the other three very good mafia roles: CV, PoD, BS. You're acting as if this was a fact, when it was nothing of the sort. I will admit that Sub taking rolecop now seems more likely, but back then it didn't. 2. Zeks claimed rolecop because he didn't realize that it put him in a position of being only scum. Obviously had he realized this, he wouldn't have claimed it and sealed his fate. He just didn't realize. Similarly, if he was the traitor he could have made the same mistake. He had to claim something. He just made the mistake of not claiming the defensive role. Please explain why zeks was NOT the traitor. That is what I don't understand. Also, I think you are the traitor, doesn't matter if you are converted or not. Being traitor means that you could be sure that zeks was not. The only other option was Serial Killer. This is why I suspect you. To put it again: The only way you could KNOW zeks was the SK, was if you were the traitor(hence zeks could not be the traitor and could only be the SK). Because he had a decent chance of being either traitor or SK in my eyes.
If I can vote to lynch citizen in Micro Mafia due to the fact I didn't want to deal with him, and hit BC in another game just because I think it was funny, then checking ~Opz~ with the reasons I mentioned on the other page should be more than enough to suffice.
You can question all you want, but just let me point out the following since the majority of Town seems not to realize the following about ~Opz~:
On August 29 2010 15:27 ~OpZ~ wrote: You've even picked Bullet Bill way early. Why?
On August 24 2010 07:49 Ace wrote: 9. ~Opz~
On August 23 2010 11:11 Radfield wrote: #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role
On August 28 2010 12:18 ~OpZ~ wrote: Hi FIshball!!!!!!!!!!!
On August 30 2010 04:36 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 04:18 Fishball wrote: Stop this Fishball crap when I'm not here.
The last post I made last night was 2am MST. I do need sleep too. Like mentioned last night, I am simply waiting for more people to comment. It at least gives me an indicator that more people have thought this over.
I checked ~Opz~ last night. He does not have a gun.
I have my reasons to check him. This guy has been bringing me up since like the very beginning of the game, when no one has like any info. Feels like he has been trying to paint me a certain color from the get-go. But after checking some older games when I wrote up the other post, seems like he does that to every so called "vet" player... I was wondering why you visited me last night =/
Talk about a hypocrite. (To those who still don't get it, he is the Tracker) Damn right I have my reasons to investigate him.
I've already done too much explaining. Whether you take it or not is not my call. So if Town wants to lynch the BulletBill, I will gladly cast a vote on myself.
On August 30 2010 06:40 Radfield wrote: You now have two strikes fishball:
You picked Bullet Bill in the wrong slot
You investigated Opz
One more strike and you're out.
One last thing Radfield, and please keep this in mind; Never use a commanding tone on me ever, again.
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On August 30 2010 23:07 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote + One last thing Radfield, and please keep this in mind; Never use a commanding tone on me ever, again.
Really? C'mon now. I try hard in every game I play to be respectful of other players and acknowledge that this is a game of mafia and that at times people are actively trying to stir shit up. If you are trying to pick a fight with me, I refuse to bite. If you actually felt somewhat offended by my post, I apologize for that, but I fail to see any commanding or arrogant tone in my post. I asked you some questions and stated my opinion on you. If I tried to be cheeky at the end, at least acknowledge it for what it is, and don't take it as an insult. It's like you deliberately cut off this line "In fact, we might be playing with a two strikes rule this game I'd like to hear what other people think." in order to make me look more serious and condescending than I was. Anyways, your basic reasoning for why you chose opz is that a) you thought he was scummy and b) you have a history of doing illogical things for the fun of it. Neither of those really satisfy me, but again, I'd like to hear some other opinions. Show nested quote + Talk about a hypocrite. (To those who still don't get it, he is the Tracker) Damn right I have my reasons to investigate him.
It seems like you're trying to softball suspicion onto opz. That makes no sense. You yourself investigated him and found him to be town aligned, so why are you trying to paint him in a bad light? And if your trying to give him being the tracker as a reason why you investigated him, that makes no sense. Are you saying you suspected him of not following the draft picks? I'm not really sure what this means. How can you do "too much" explaining? If you're town you should be doing everything you can to prevent yourself from getting lynched. Honestly, I feel like LSB has done a decent job defending himself, and I'm getting a more and more townie vibe from him. Do you mean this discussion taking up too much of the thread and that we should be moving on to other issues? That's probably true if that's the case.
I'm just skimming through this at work so I'll make it short. - I don't like your tone, no matter what you think. Call me subjective, but you can definitely word it another way around. This is also obvious you do not know any of my post history. Pick a fight with you? Haha. - I'm not soft balling suspicious onto Opz. Like you said, I already "confirmed" him. I'm just pointing out he is a hypocrite, and is the Tracker. Things could have easily be reversed if our two positions were swapped. If you fail to see this, not my problem. - You don't have to buy anything I say, I'm not you.
However, the following quote tells does me one thing.
On August 30 2010 23:07 Radfield wrote: b) you have a history of doing illogical things for the fun of it.
You're definitely not getting the point.
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If LSB isn't Mafia, nor the traitor, tracking him would do nothing. Also, seems like everyone is leaving chaoser out of the equation. What if we hit SR and he flips Vanilla Townie, and tracking LSB gave us nothing? That leaves us with chaoser obviously, but I'm just saying.
Either way, this issue most likely won't be resolved tonight no matter how we switch our actions among these three, unless the person we CV is exactly the Traitor/Mafia, or the person we track is the Mafia. I'm fine with anyone of them being picked.
On August 31 2010 06:43 Radfield wrote: If he isn't eventually killed by mafia(which would be foolish of mafia) we should lynch him.
The way I see it, Mafia most likely will not hit the CV, unless the CV is about to hit one of their own. Even if the Town uses the CV to hit one of their own, they might just let it slip by. Think about it, it would be very difficult for the Mafia to win with 1 KP against 10+ Pro-Town players left in the game. As long as the Town is able to choose the right targets, then we should be good.
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On August 31 2010 09:24 Radfield wrote: My thoughts on the CV, were that if rastaban is town(which the mafia will know), then his CV works exactly as a double lynch. I would say at this stage in the game a double lynch every day is extremely helpful. We kill 2 scummy players to every 1 confirmed player the mafia can kill. He's a huge town asset. That being said, we'll probably have to end up lynching him at some point if we run out of leads, so mafia killing kinda helps us anyways. Win-win for us if he's town.
I know what you mean, but you're missing the point, again. I'm just trying to look and explain from a Mafia stand point; It would also be Win-Win situation for the Mafia if the Town gets the wrong target, and would be reasonable for them to keep the CV alive. It's just the same logic. Basically, the outcome is determined by how well the Town uses the CV, and this is the most important part.
On an unrelated note, a lot of people seem to have gone MIA for the past 48 hours, including rastaban himself.
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I checked SiNiquity. He does not have a gun.
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On August 31 2010 10:26 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 10:25 Fishball wrote: I checked SiNiquity. He does not have a gun. No I don't
Oh, you're actually here.
Along with you, Chaoser, LSB, Rastaban, BrownBear (as usual) has been MIA for like the past 36 hours.
I think even DarthThienAn and Divinek popped by for a post.
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Right now, we have to wait for our Watcher/Tracker to announce their results, and find out who rastaban hit to decide what to do next.
I don't think rastaban is even here...
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