ah you're right, my penalty is one use as well i simply misinterpreted the wording of the OP as well as my own pm lol
however i feel that revealing it would be very not good for town, it is a very anti town thing that has a specific condition
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On August 09 2010 10:21 Ace wrote: [/b][/b]Show nested quote + On August 09 2010 10:20 Divinek wrote: On August 09 2010 10:17 Ace wrote: On August 09 2010 10:16 Divinek wrote: On August 09 2010 10:09 Ace wrote: On August 09 2010 09:39 zeks wrote: i'm up for the penalty posting basically when i'm lynched, a random person is picked out of the people who voted for me, and that person gets permanent +1 vote to all future lynch votes no matter what yeah i'm not very useful oh dear :/. A random person or random townie?. Check the wording very carefully. If it's a random person that's pretty terrible. If it's a random townie that sucks also but we can have possibly have a confirmed townie. Penalties: Ace : Must telegraph moves to the town before acting bumatlarge: If acting mafia population goes up by 1, town population goes down by 1 zeks: If lynched, random person(?) on the wagon gets permanent +1 voting power @bumatlarge: Does the PM tell you how the population works? Like do mafia basically get a townie recruited into their ranks or is it some other way it works? um ace i think only yours out of that list is a penalty because the op says if you violate your penalty 3 timse you get mod killed and the latter 2 are one use abilities and have no way of being violated eh? It's still a penalty even if it's only 1 use. That doesn't change the fact. I also can't violate my penalty either. what are you saying it's impossible to not telegraph a move before doing it Exactly. Just make sure you read carefully. ah you're right, my penalty is one use as well i simply misinterpreted the wording of the OP as well as my own pm lol however i feel that revealing it would be very not good for town, it is a very anti town thing that has a specific condition | ||
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On August 09 2010 10:16 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2010 10:12 citi.zen wrote: On August 09 2010 10:12 Ace wrote: On August 09 2010 10:04 citi.zen wrote: On August 09 2010 10:03 Ace wrote: On August 09 2010 10:00 citi.zen wrote: On August 09 2010 07:48 Ace wrote: On August 09 2010 07:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: "If any townies have penalties then you'll know based on your OWN role PM which penalties should make sense when we all claim them." I don't agree - I have no idea what to expect in other penalties and I don't see how claiming them will make certain people stand out. It might help us plan some strategies but it might help the mafia, too. What if someone's penalty is that they can't do anything till night 4? Then the mafia knows to avoid that person until night 3 and kill them then. What if the penalties for townies look a lot different from the penalties for blues? That could bite us in the ass. If someone's penalty is they can't do anything until night 4 thats great. Because then we can remove them from any actions that happen at night, and if they still live on Night 4 we ask them to prove their action. Obviously if you can't act until Night 4 which would be ridiculous in any mafia game you've gotta have something damn near game breaking. So if the scum want to let that person until night 3 that's cool with me because before that said person better be going all out doing some intelligent scum hunting. But even all of this is moot because I did say don't make it too obvious what your role could be. On death once your role is revealed we can piece everything together. It doesn't even matter if Vanilla penalties look different than blue penalties - we just need a list of penalties period to even move forward. So what if it helps the mafia? Would you rather the town not have any direction on where to go and just stumble around mindlessly? It's like complaining that Terran's are making infantry knowing that Zerg has lurkers. Execution of the plan is just as important as the plan itself. If you don't agree come up with a better idea because I'm all ears. @divinek: now you're starting to get it ^_^ We KNOW for a fact that townies have restrictions and scum don't. They only have fake claims the host gave them. So if we are aware of our own penalties and KNOW that we have to behave a certain way then we can't do things that go against our PM where as scum can because theirs are fake. They can't fake their actions because once we see what most people's penalties look like and people start dying the picture becomes very clear. Why are we so sure penalties are not linked to roles? From what I've seen, and knowing my penalty, people with a blue role have penalties pertaining to that role (ex: can't use power Y unless X happens). Greens can't have that type of penalty. Telling everyone "I can't use my power unless X" means you are blue = pleasant sniping reds. So I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you think some sort of mass role-claim is a good play. In some set-ups that is the case, in this one I personally haven't come to that conclusion. I'll admit that, as usual, I don't pay close attention on weekends, am I missing something? no need for role claims yet, just penalties. Like I said I gave you all my penalty and if you all think it's that simple then tell me what my role is ^_^ Look at bumatlarge's penalty claim: no one would know he was a tree stump (role) based on the fact that acting increases mafia population by 1 (penalty). The idea that penalties implies roles is false based on bumatlarge's post and the fact that my penalty also does not imply my role. That's just it: he has to use his "ability" = he has an "ability". So he's some sort of blue that just got outed. Being BLUE doesn't matter. You are looking at it wrong. Everyone has a role. EVERYONE. Ignore anything about blue roles for now. We only care about PENALTIES. If bumatlarge didn't tell you he was a tree stump you would never know. zeks just told us his penalty, do you know his role? I told you my penalty, do you know my role? See where I'm going now. also *yawn* at Pyrr. I didn't out any blues but nice job at trying to spread some panic. I hope the Vigilante or whatever killing role we have shoots you asap. Are you claiming there are no vanilla townies? Not at all. Reading the OP: Show nested quote + This setup also has another twist in it; all Townies (not mafia) will have specific penalties that either diminish strength of one's ability or simply anti-town. No post restriction bs though. If you are town you have a penalty. Doesn't matter if you are blue or green. Scum have fake penalties. # vote Pyrr Bill Murray may be an idiot, but I'm pretty certain you're scum. why is it that you are certain? it seems as soon as a game comes up with all these new rules i cant seem to understand what is going on (i mean i do have reasons formulating in my head like perhaps demonstrating a bit too much knowledge of certain things, or an attempt to split us up and re direct us from any plan trying to help us like with your penalty plan) i agree that i get a bad feeling based on what's happened, and i dont like flopping my vote around too much, but i would rather have my vote on scum than on an idiot. and i just like to see where other people are coming from in order to solidly incorporate things they see that i might have missed | ||
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On August 09 2010 10:49 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2010 10:44 LSB wrote: On August 09 2010 10:41 Ace wrote: On August 09 2010 10:39 LSB wrote: On August 09 2010 10:31 Ace wrote: And if that's the penalty then the medic simply says my penalty is that I can only act on certain days. That doesn't tell you or anyone else that the role is medic. Did you READ when I first proposed this plan? We'll get your role later on in the game or upon death and then match it up with everything else we know. I know what I'm talking about and my logic is 100% on point, get off of wikipedia and use your head. What that tells the mafia is that the medic has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the medic is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. It sounds like your part of the mafia, trying to get a nice hit list. wrong. You don't know it's a medic. You've only seen the penalty. How does telling the town you can act on certain nights imply you're a medic? Explain, especially since any sane person's first thought would be Vigilante. What that tells the mafia is that the person has an ability that can be used at night. The mafia won't know if the person is a DT, or a Bus Driver, or a Vig, or a Medic. But all they will know is that they should kill the medic before night 2. and how will they find said medic? They can't because they don't know who the medic is. They just know penalties. Once again penalties do not imply roles. If it does then tell me my role, and tell zeks his role if you believe this. And Pyrr is mafia. Stop voting for Bill Murray and deal with him tomorrow. you didnt answer my question | ||
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that if your penalty is such and such like 'you can only use your ability every other night' then all penalties should accurately describe the nature of the person sure that SPECIFIC example does make the person look awfully blue but i can assure not all penalties do, as mine makes me look just the opposite of what i am, if you're following that line of reasoning | ||
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On August 09 2010 11:04 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2010 11:02 Divinek wrote: ace i was just asking for like a formal presentation of your reasoning against pyrr oh ok. Do you want like, an entire breakdown of Day 1 with all my logical queries and conclusions, with big picture breakdown + small quips or do you want the simple one paragraph stuff where I say he's scum and just quote some of his nonsense? lol well more stuff can be more to digest, so i prefer simpler as im a fan of occams razor i really just want your reasonings, all of them, for believing he is scum as you obviously demonstrate a better grasp as to wtf is going on in this game with rules/roles/other stuffs that are confusing me and i dont like a confused town/townie | ||
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On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote: Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances: [Shy Townie] You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote). The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie. You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone. The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules? | ||
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On August 09 2010 11:30 citi.zen wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2010 11:25 Divinek wrote: On August 09 2010 11:23 citi.zen wrote: On August 09 2010 11:11 Ace wrote: Not at all chaoser. Action doesn't imply night action or day action. It can be anything. Voting is an action. Talking to a certain player is an action. Action does not imply blue! Look at page 3 of this thread. Hessmyrr points out 2 such instances: [Shy Townie] You are Townie! however you are shy and likes to avoid a crowd. You cannot vote for player with highest number of votes at that moment (it is fine if the player you have once voted becomes the one with the highest vote). The role is Townie. The action is you can't vote for a certain player. If I only told you that you can't vote(the action) for a certain player (the penalty) you have no idea that the role is Townie. You are Townie! You are also terrified of mafia lurking in the night, so must choose one person to visit every night (it will be randomly determined in case no decision was given). If mafia targets you on that night, you will be intercepted on the way to your target and will die alone. The role is Townie once again. The action is visiting a player at night. The penalty is if you're caught visiting someone by mafia you die. Looking at both penalties, how could you know whether the person is blue or green? You can't. The people coming up with this nonsense are bullshitting. Perhaps I am reading this too closely, but I don't see the word "action" in either of those descriptions. In fact, they are quite different from what you and bumatlarge described, but close to what zeks posted. At any rate what Bill did is against the rules unless he is red or knows something we don't. So I am still all for lynching him right now. what did he do that was against the rules? If he is not red, does not have additional information and has no restriction on speaking (as the OP says), he went for personal vendetta at the risk of screwing he town over. Usually there is a "play to win" rule. well to be fair it was a random vote that only meant something because someone made something out of it. People do place holders or random votes all the time in periods such as the RVS and such. But it is possible that he knows something we dont isnt it, with all the weird roles out there. Like maybe his final votes have to always be on the person with a first letter closest to the start of the alphabet..the possibilities are infinite and he really should try to explain himself. But BM always does things at the risk of screwing the town over this is not new. Perhaps we should always kill him day 1 or get him vigi popped otherwise if he doesnt stop acting so retarded. It really is annoying | ||
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and now that i got what i wanted from ace, his post seems to confirm his aligntment for me for now and thus it seems perfectly right to believe him so im definitely believing my original intentions, now that the votes on bm actually pressured him into talking, and getting this wagon starter on ace lynched ##unvote ##vote pyrr | ||
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if a mafia is lynched it negatively impacts on me for the following night | ||
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On August 10 2010 09:26 zeks wrote: lets just get rid of one (or more) of BM and Ace and reset from step 1 if not one of you (or more) are scum then considered my mind blown - 3 of the "best" players on a see-saw for the past day or two and all end up town? i dont buy it surely you mean 2 of the best players. I dont think BM is banned from ace's games because his play is so good it breaks the balance factor | ||
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On August 10 2010 12:15 bumatlarge wrote: Pretty desperate. If I didn't know better (I'm sure you'd make a 5 paragraph essay speculating in a roundabout way about how do not know better) you would like me to use my ability, wouldn't you? well if you did use it then you really would be a god in this game wouldnt you or at least an immortal! that's quite the one up | ||
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On August 10 2010 12:38 bumatlarge wrote: Yeah it would seem Ace doesnt care whether or not I use it. You would think a townie would say that that would be a very bad move, but that's probably my noobie tendencies talking. I mean how bad can it be to give mafia 4 against, whats this now? 8 then? Hmm and no DT because, oh look hes dead! Because of some brilliant plan! Man what should we do now Ace? well i think the only thing we gain from it is a confirmed townie. But in a game with such a small number of players, shifting the balance by TWO people, 1 for each side is down right ridiculous and i dont think you could ever justify using it. Like seriously even if you were to be lynched it'd be better to give town -1, than -1 and +1 mafia, unless you knew for sure someone else was scum or something. Because a confirmed townie isnt really much to go off of what with us not being allowed to pm and stuff this game, that and probably our only dt is dead anyway. | ||
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On August 11 2010 08:49 LSB wrote: FYI, Nytophobic is a fear of Darkness. Maybe Ace had to pick who to save during the day? hmm that would make sense with the telegraphing thing then wouldnt it | ||
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On August 11 2010 09:35 bumatlarge wrote: Well it's starting to make a little sense how this all came to be. Bill is Bill and does his Bill thing. Pyrr in all his DT glory goes ahead and makes a silly assumption about bill right off the bat. Bill being Bill, he agrees and essentially lies () Ace being Ace, instantly sees pyrrs little guess as a scum trick, and underestimates Bill's Billness, and shoots for pyrr as the head honcho of the operation. He only feels more convinced when Bill comes out of his charade. As a result, pyrr dies, which seems an unfortunate coincidence that he was a DT. And now Ace dieing, no matter how he died, is bad luck since he was medic. I think its safe to assume we have at most 2 more blues left, with very little chance either is a DT or medic. Honestly, Bill deserves a policy lynch for what he has done. policy lynching always seems to be what gets bm. I'm kind of interested in the people who were going balls out at arguing against ace, because obviously if they knew he was going to die at night it would make them look pretty good. Not that their arguments weren't justified, they certainly seemed very solid. It just makes it that much easier to come off clean. Without a vigi claiming it would be silly to assume that's how ace died, because a vigi has little reason not to claim now after doing that. But someone like lsb assuming he did to possibly draw suspicion off him self for reasons stated above it quite interesting. I'm curious if we had any other blue roles with powers like maybe a watcher or something that found anything out. But unless a vigi claims im very weary of at least one of the people pushing for ace to die. | ||
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On August 11 2010 10:54 Scamp wrote: Mafia have no penalties. Read the OP. Now, maybe someone has a power that forces them to do that, like their hit got deflected or something. It's pretty fucked up that that might make the most sense if we didnt have a vigi shot | ||
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On August 11 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote: Anyone else think BM's role seems stupid and made up? It would completely fuck up the balance of the game and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a role like that. Also, what better way to prevent the town from lynching you? And yeeeeeeeeeeeeah I'm not claiming. well the enabler is a real thing in the parts of mafia land. But why on earth would you publicly admit that was your role is beyond me. Unless he's lying, which it wouldnt be the first time for bm. So he's either lying about his role, and he's town Or he's lying about his role and he's mafia either way he's lying...unless somehow ace protected him last night and ended up dying from it? But that doesnt make any sense from an enabler, or i can hardly see ace wanting to protect bm based on what happened yesterday so wtf | ||
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On August 12 2010 01:51 Korynne wrote: Oops, thanks Hesmyrr. In that case it looks like BM will have to off Divinek or bumatlarge tonight if he decides to use his ability. In this case I'd like to see at least an adjective claim from Divinek, though I suspect he's probably off birthday celebrating... fuck yeah i am! so ill be on in spurts tonight cause my bday! anyways my adjective is Unwary, and ive mentioned my penalty before, but i cant get specific cause that'd out my role | ||
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lets look at young's amazing contribution to the game thus far woooooooooooooooooooo On August 10 2010 02:47 youngminii wrote: LOL OKAY I TOTALLY DID NOT KNOW THIS GAME STARTED WILL START READING LOL spam On August 11 2010 09:11 youngminii wrote: Cool so the doctor stabs the DT and then gets killed. Does anyone think that he might have been Vigi shot? Seems like a plausible explanation to me although that leaves the question of where the mafia KP went unanswered. states what happened, asks a question, answers question. HI-larious On August 11 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote: Anyone else think BM's role seems stupid and made up? It would completely fuck up the balance of the game and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a role like that. Also, what better way to prevent the town from lynching you? And yeeeeeeeeeeeeah I'm not claiming. enablers exist in mafia, and they seem somewhat reasonable in this set up as long as you dont publicly admit you are an enabler as such, because how else would anyone ever know. I dont see how it fucks with the balance anymore than something like a tree stump. It does seem like kind of a weird thing to go with a vigi, but not unreasonable? I dunno i think he might be lying bout vigi tos ave his own ass WAIT, im digressing! This post REEKS of confusion. Just asks 2 questions, without really putting anything forward, typical fanning flames play. Typical mafia not wanting to put anything forward but suspicion on someone else On August 11 2010 23:54 youngminii wrote: My adjective is "selfish" which matches my real life persona. well that is what it is, could have gotten that from his mafia pm or something On August 12 2010 10:56 youngminii wrote: In that case. ##Vote Bill Murray Lynch All Liars. policy lynch wooooooooooooo, nothing to tie him to the person if that person should flip anything but red. It has also been justified that lynching bm is stupid because he'll die to delicious JUSTICE if he is lying about his role, and if he's not we need to let him live to use it SHIZA, so to sumarrize this, that doesnt look right, summarize YOUNGMINII hasnt contributed ANYTHING since the game started so that scum fuck is getting my vote because that's the best case i can come up with, im pretty sure this would be my vote even if i was not under the influence of substances so my fellow citizens, and even my fellow citi.zens. I URGE you to consider the case I have presented you, if you believe play like this doesnt deserve a lynch, or at least intense scrutiny, then what the fuck is wrong with you. cheers ##vote youngminii i hope i spelled his name right because i ilke spelling names right, but im sure our host will know good night gahh | ||
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On August 13 2010 08:22 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2010 07:45 zeks wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Chaoser The little resistance from the youngminii stacking worries me Youngminii said he couldn't devote that much time in the other game. Youngminii would be modkilled anyways, for not voting. hi just got back from work before the deadline :D crazy driving yay also he's not going to get mod killed Bill Murray (1) youngminii from the vote totals on page 1, and those are quite up to date. And uh i like my vote where it is based on the few things that have been said. No lynch would be silly. | ||
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