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It looks like it's a toss up between hyperbola(5), DTA(3), and myself(4).
I personally think the bandwagon on hyperbola is the dumbest thing in the world. Everyone that's been on that bandwagon should have their posts as to why they jumped on analysed later on.
The main argument against DTA is that he's lurking as scum so that he doesn't draw attention to himself. You've put your pressure on him and he isn't responding. A lurker would pop up and defend himself, especially with only about 5 1/2 hours 'til the deadline.
As for myself, the bandwagon is less stupid than hyperbola's because it actually has a reason/substance behind it. However, it's still pretty bad because I'm being targeted because I offered a plan and generated discussion.
This is why lynching on the first day is a terrible, terrible idea. The scum can blend in with the town so well and even lurk a bit. They'll just leave people to lynch each other on the first day or two and before you know it, it's lylo. No lynching is a gift, use it. If not, lynch an inactive (someone that's about to be modkilled).
I am 99% certain that whoever gets lynched today will not be scum, simply because it is way too easy for scum not to draw attention on the first day.
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@ Pandain: It's normal for people to defend themselves. I do it, Barack Obama does it, and you do it.
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On July 19 2010 03:46 chaoser wrote: It's already been established that not lynching someone on the first day is a horrible decision, why are you still pushing for it? I completely agree with your philosophy that if some people disagree with you, you should just back down and give up on your ideas.
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On July 19 2010 03:48 Pandain wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 19 2010 02:06 Hyperbola wrote:Alright guys take a breather... sheesh. Especially you Divinek: Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 13:09 Divinek wrote:On July 18 2010 12:30 tree.hugger wrote: And this bandwagon against Hyperbola is just dumb.
## Vote Laxercannon why is it dumb Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 13:57 Divinek wrote:On July 18 2010 13:45 tree.hugger wrote:On July 18 2010 13:09 Divinek wrote:On July 18 2010 12:30 tree.hugger wrote: And this bandwagon against Hyperbola is just dumb.
## Vote Laxercannon why is it dumb The reason it was introduced in the first place what completely ridiculous. Nothing smart about any of it. We should lynch people for good reasons, not dumb ones. I'm still looking for more nominations for people to lynch. I think those three are a good start. Time to pick one, yes? How about I PM five people a list of the candidates in order, and then someone in the thread will choose a number from 1-3? but WHY was it ridiculous, WHY was it not smart, WHY were the reasons dumb. You might as well have not posted as there was no substance to what you just said Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 15:29 Divinek wrote: How is voting for some one cause of a long , useful post defending himself pretty well? He said in other games he has been quiet but that doesnt mean that shit is gonna fly here. And he didnt really say why someone who makes a long post is a scum or anything.
I dont feel he really defended himself well at all You seem pretty adamant about accusing me for like a quick post I made a while back.Look dude, I'll spill the beans, my post against Sinequity wasn't serious. I still can't believe you haven't caught on to that by now. I accuse him for making a long post just for fun and I also didn't feel like abstaining. I also like being quiet and examining things behind the lines. What you're gonna crucify me every game for not posting often? I'm keeping my vote on Sinequity as a placeholder, mmkay? I'd like to elaborate on this more, in fact. I will be supporting my view via the use of italized and bolded sections of previoius posts, which I love to do(in case you haven't found out.) Note the bolded section(XD). Despite the fact that he is trying to pass off his two posts accusing Sinquity as a joke(one of them defending the previous post)*, he still accuses Divenek despite the fact that I believe Divenek was on the right side this time. After all, Hyperbola did just accuse Sinquity of being mafia based on the fact he was "contributing too much", and then Hyperbola continued to defend that. In every post Hyperbola has made so far, it has (at least slightly) accused someone. + Show Spoiler +Note the underlined section. Now, this may be getting too far in(probably), but might as well as Mafia is incredibally psychologically centered. Spill the beans? Why did you have to hide it? Note: I have decided to spoiler this as this is the weakest of these points and thus should only be used as subtle observation, in no way to be used as a valid reason to lynch him. I just find Hyperbola's posts these games to be highly questionable. This post in no way is even my main points, you can view the previous pages as to why I voted Hyperbola. Please look them over and decide for yourselves. And of course, if you have an opposing viewpoint, please share. Lynching is a final decision, there is no turning back after. This actually intrigues me a bit. I honestly believe hyperbola is either a townie or a really really really bad scum. There's no way in your right might you would say 'nah all my posts were just jokes, don't worry' if you were scum because that's outright stupid. It's drawing unnecessary attention (ie. the post I'm quoting) and would be something an honest, naive townie would do.
Of course, if he ends up flipping red I'll eat my own arm.
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[*]I firmly believe that none of our prime suspects for Day 1 is scum. This means we'll have one less townie (possibly even blue) from Day 2 onwards than we would have if it was no lynch. [*]Scenario 1: We do lynch someone. There's an 80% chance that person is not scum, statistically speaking. From my point of view, our suspects are not prime scum candidates. If that person isn't scum, then mafia still has 0% chance of hitting scum at night. Scenario 2: We don't lynch someone. The mafia has 0% chance of hitting scum at night. It's the same scenario with less casualties. [*]DTs will have checked people and can start forming trust groups. Gameplay in mafia tends to evolve the longer the game goes on and with days only being 48hrs on TL, there's not that much time for the game to evolve. [*]We have plenty to inspect, look at all that's happened so far.
I know that this plan isn't going to go through but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop defending it.
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Yeah I was a bit confused when you said YI.
You know what, I'm just gonna drop it. As tree hugger said I'm just wasting space and creating confusion.
@ Pandain: A death post is the one post you're allowed to make after you die where you reveal what you are.
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I probably deserve that vote.
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So a pretty interesting thing that happened was (believe me or not, it doesn't really affect anything) foolishness pm'd me this morning being pretty vague. He said something like he needed a few things for someone to check up on and that I could help him figure a few things out. I have no clue what he was talking about and by the time I replied he was already dead.
Anyways, now that SC2 is back down I'm gonna go read through pretty much the entire thread again. Brb.
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On July 20 2010 15:35 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 15:32 BrownBear wrote:On July 20 2010 15:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: BB, the main hurdles are
1) godfather posing as vet (null if he has picked a different role to appear as)
and 2) mafia will snipe other blues
basically, if the vets claim, their power (being able to absorb hits) is null. the mafia can get a near-guaranteed 2 kp each as long as they dodge medic protects.
we would have to be able to funnel enough info to a CONFIRMED vet (would take at least 1 day to confirm) and organize a dangerous enough town structure before the mafia would even think about trading in their 2 kills on a vet instead of 2 kills on town players.
i'm not totally convinced that vets roleclaiming is a good idea. 1) legitimate problem, and it's true that GFs tend to pick vet a lot. 2) I have to disagree with you on this one. I see vet as extremely useful as a confirmed townie. As an example, let me talk about a game I used to play a long time ago (back on squidi.net, if anyone still remembers that site), that was very similar to mafia. There was a role in this game called War Hero, who was basically a townie confirmed at the start who could be used as a rallying point for townies. Only problem was, he died a LOT, because mafia would stack KP on him (rightfully so, recognizing how dangerous he was). Then one host mixed it up a bit, and gave him 2 nightlives. The next game, he singlehandedly won it for town, because Mafia was suddenly not willing to blow that much KP just to kill one target, and he was able to rally enough town around him to form a town circle larger than the mafia team (which usually means mafia is screwed, unless they get really lucky). Veterans exist as meatshields. People tend to play them as "they exist in secrecy, so maybe mafia will target them instead of another blue role". Sure, that CAN work, but in a setup this open, I think it's a far better idea to have them claim. All the sudden, mafia has to stack 4 KP (more if medics protect them) to take out 2 confirmed townies, all for the price of depleting the pool of people-who-might-be-medic-or-DT by 2. With PMs allowed as well, the coordination possibilities and the sheer unkillability of 4 nightlives worth of confirmed town far outweighs the downside of not having those random beefy dudes in the pool. How often do you see a vet soak a nighthit anyway? In my experience, it happens maybe once a game, if that. that's all well and good but since we are pretty sure our first vet has lost his first life, as soon as the second vet claims the suicide bomber just fucks him right up the ass. Im positive bm said suicide bomber insta kills vet Why are we sure our first vet has lost his life? Some guy got protected by a medic.
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Perhaps Vet's should just make trust circles via PM? Instead of openly roleclaiming, they can slowly bring in people one by one maybe? I guess I'm not that against the roleclaiming part but it does feel a bit iffy.
Also, note that it's interesting how there were 6 votes for hyperbola and 5 votes for me. What's more interesting is that there are only 6 scum and they could have easily single handedly voted off hyperbola (unlikely though). What is likely is that there were at least a few scum voting for either me and hyperbola.
Here's a plan that we can use (I realise my last plan was like, totally distracting and stuff so if you choose to ignore this I don't blame you), instead of Vets roleclaiming, how about Vets 'recruit' people into their PM trust circles. These trust circles can exclude anyone from Hyperbola/my bandwagon as there ought to be at least 2-3 mafia in total in the bandwagons.
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I didn't actually say only one person dying last night means anything/affects anything. That comment was towards foolishness's PM which was completely out of the blue.
I see no reason logically or statistically as to why d3 would make it up. He said he was protected by a medic and so he was. If he was scum he could've simply flown completely under the radar as he has been doing so far.
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I completely agree with and back Pandain's suspicion against chaoser. I have two reasons.
My first reason is Pandain's points. The majority of his points are valid and chaoser's responses are sub-par. The biggest point that sticks out to me is the fact that chaoser didn't change his vote from abstaining after drilling me so hard. Why? Well he probably knew hyperbola was going to be lynched and there's no use jumping on any bandwagons to raise suspicion. I don't really have an opinion on BB's bandwagon except that it was almost as random as hyperbola's. I was pretty much certain that hyperbola was not scum whereas for BB I cannot say the same however it doesn't warrant my vote. Another thing that irks me at the moment is how chaoser jumped on the subversion bandwagon instead of hyperbola's. There could be a few reasons such as BB is scum and chaoser is protecting him by backing the second bandwagon or BB is town and chaoser doesn't want to raise suspicion on himself. Either way, more evidence points to him being scum than not.
My second reason is outside this thread.
On July 20 2010 23:15 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 15:35 youngminii wrote: So a pretty interesting thing that happened was (believe me or not, it doesn't really affect anything) foolishness pm'd me this morning being pretty vague. He said something like he needed a few things for someone to check up on and that I could help him figure a few things out. I have no clue what he was talking about and by the time I replied he was already dead.
Anyways, now that SC2 is back down I'm gonna go read through pretty much the entire thread again. Brb. Why don't you think the claim by d3 and only one person dying last night means anything/affects anything?
For some reason, he sent me a PM asking the same question before posting on the thread. There was no way I couldn't raise my eyebrows but didn't know what to make of it. I replied to him telling him to post in the thread as posts are used in the future to analyse a player's actions and by PMing me he was bypassing that. Then he goes on to ask my opinions of his play so far which I still can't make anything out of. The reason I didn't post this before was because I thought he was a newbie and I didn't want to use it against him but I just looked at his posting history and it seems as if he's played games before. I don't know why he PM'd me but it seriously rang alarm bells in my head.
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Oh right.
##Vote chaoser
I also say we lynch BB at a later date just to see what he is. What's more ridiculous than the hyperbola bandwagon is the subversion bandwagon, unless I missed some important post. I have this instinctive feeling that BB/DTA might be scum and most of the people voting for subversion are scum protecting BB/DTA.
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FoS tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, chaoser
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My scumdar indicates that Subversion is not scum. I think that his bandwagon has to be one of the most interesting developments in the game so far. I refuse to believe that a load of townies simply jumped on because he said 'mafia aren't making too many mistakes'. There is at least one mafia in his bandwagon and I am convinced it is chaoser.
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Rather than Pandain's original arguments against you (which were pretty decent imo), your response to the pressure is fueling my suspicion on you. I don't really have anything new to add to the above suspicions placed on you so that is that.
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My suspicion on infindouwioej4l5k23wtgjfxvpcohinkium is still here, it's just a lot smaller than everything else going on right now.
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I honestly don't understand Amber[light]'s vote on Subversion, it makes absolutely no sense to me.
Anyway, while I think chaoser is more likely to be scum than DTA, I'm not going to be all like OMG YOU SHOULDN'T VOTE FOR DTA JUST BECAUSE OF ONE POST!!! That said, I think we should have been more careful before lynching DTA because the arguments seem a bit weak. Yes, there was a whole WALL of text explaining why we should lynch DTA but if you actually read the post you'd know there are lots of flaws in it.
Let's begin dissecting Pyrr's post.
Alright, I was gonna change my vote to the reddest of BrownBear and Subversion. But, I don't really like going after either of them today so maybe I can get some of you to change your votes. My Ph.D. Dissertation on DarthTheinAnby Pyrrhuloxia The Story Thus FarDay 1 Accusation + Show Spoiler +My thoughts: hyperbola is prolly just a quick trigger townie; I'd think a mafia would be too skittish to CONTINUE with it, especially when voting is so thin at this point. Mafia wouldn't have to be desperate as of now. Townie or red, hyperbola is obviously desperate now, with so many votes against him. But the desperation started and caused the bandwagon (according to Pandain). When the hyperbola bandwagon started, voting was evened out so there wouldn't be a need for mafia to bandwagon on someone. Mafia don't really tend to bandwagon anyone day one, at least they don't start the first bandwagon. They might start a second bandwagon to save someone's ass. Doesn't really help prove anyone innocent but I think hyperbola's behavior could be townie and the voting against him could be townie too. In better words, neither action really stick out at me as suspicious but no one's exonerated. Maybe if a team of people desperately work to save him there could be something going on.
I'd like to hear why foolishness is so quiet this game. I've seen him in games as green and games as blue (DT). Both times he was really active and talkative and was somewhat of a leader with plans and so on. I've never seen him quiet and I've never seen him red. Could be an irl thing, could be something else.
Darth...'s plan to "maximize" deaths on Day 1 strikes me as poor thinking. I get that it gets us information, so this could certainly be a townie sentiment. However, I've been red in many past games and I often got pissed off at how much harder it could be to win with just one more townie alive at the end, due to a non-lynch or something similar.
At this point, my vote really is between Darth and hyperbola because it seems too late to rally the town anywhere else. Hyperbola strikes me as green running mouth. The reactions to that at least give the town something, even if he's red. Darth's hanging back and saying something that could be a subtle red move or a legitimate townie move.
Yeah I double checked his other posts, and everything else is Darth clown spamming. As someone nicely put it: he's playing like Chezinu. So I can't be made to feel guilty about voting for him. Day 1 "Refutation" by the accused, wherein he admits he should be lynched, except not, because. + Show Spoiler +In my experience, mafia rarely actually "bandwagon". One or two might hop in for the final vote to kill someone they don't like over the current top target, but usually, they just vote wherever they feel like, based on their posting and what they've said in the past.
The hyperbola bandwagon is just plain stupid imo. Anyone who was "convinced" by Siniquity's argument against hyperbola is also plain stupid. He gave poor reasoning for a random vote, but that does not make him mafia. A lot of the times, mafia play more like Siniquity, pointing out "mistakes" that townies make, and calling them scummy.
My post was to contrast YellowInk's silly no lynch suggestion. Why are we even considering that? We need information. The game is about getting information for the town ASAP so that we can lynch/KP accurately. Therefore, we lynch a someone who is not already going to be modkilled. Pandain, I was only half-joking about it. Lynch someone who has voted but is not helping the town out. Someone like me, but, preferably, not me.
And you're right, I was playing like Chezinu ^_^. He has inspired me.
I might be out for the rest of today. Before you lynch me, consider how many other people have not posted, but have voted. For instance, d3, who is currently voting for me, but has said as little as I have said.
Also, don't PM Opz, PM me!! ^^. Day 2 Accusation [spoiler] Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 03:18 Misder wrote:Foolishness's posts interest me a lot. I'm not sure if he was targeted because of his posts or because he was active, but we can look at his posts. (these posts are in backward order>.< sorry.) + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 09:25 Pandain wrote:Hmm time passes too fast. As this is my first mafia game, I'm extra afraid I'm going to die. So in case I die, I'll live something that players can easily check on if they want to. It's the posts by each player in the game, in case a player wants to check up on something. Tree.Hugger: + Show Spoiler +BrownBear + Show Spoiler +Oh god there are 600 posts. How could I be so stupid -.-. Unless people really want me to keep making these(which I'll of course do, gladly) I'll be doing it farily slowly. + Show Spoiler +This was harder than I thought . Oh well. You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen If the mafia did target Foolishness for his posts, it seems to point fingers at lakrismamma or citi.zen. We can't be positive, but we can be suspicious, especially since most of Foolishness' posts are targeting citi.zen + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 08:22 DarthThienAn wrote:Foolishness, are you so innocent yourself? You haven't really posted at all. Unofficial Start of the Game: Your first post after it: which doesn't really say much.
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=19#363]2nd post:[/url] A ninja abstain vote to avoid modkill. Let's see if you change it later / actually contribute.
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=24#478]3rd post:[/url] There's the switch. You go to BC based on "bad vibes," claim busy IRL, and promise future activity.
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=28#547]Your next post:[/url] A summary of what happened during the voting. Implies youngminii, BrownBear, and bumatlarge might all be mafia together.
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=28#551]Next (two):[/url] Basically saying that we can't pull much from the voting patterns without more information than the vote talliers have given us.
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=28#554]Next:[/url] Bashing on me for... what, joking around a bit and still providing about as much content as you?
Gonna stop there as the other posts are pretty recent. So how much content have you provided? Not much. And all of it is within the last two pages. Sure you're busy with life and all, but maybe I'm busy with life too. Maybe we're all busy with life, except flamewheel. Sure, I might be spamming a bit here and there, but maybe I don't have much to say / don't have the time to write it all out. This isn't about me. This is about you. I gave reason for my actions. Where's your reasons on why you're acting "like Chezinu"? Most people are blind so let me spell it out for everyone. You're hiding something. It's clear that you're attitude is the result of the fact you know some information that you don't want everyone else to know. That means you're blue or red. I'm sure I'm not the only one to figure this out, and if you're blue I bet a mafia member has figured this out. And if you don't have much to say/don't have the time to write it all out, go get yourself replaced. By the way, shoving arguments against me to try to divert attention off of yourself is terrible. You should know me well enough I'm just going to keep pressuring you until you claim or until I get 75% of the town to vote for you. If you want me off your back, all you got to do is point out how someone else is obviously mafia and you're not. I mean, all you had to do there was say "I'm not mafia, citizen is clearly mafia, look at his posts; clearly scum". And if you were somewhat serious about it I'd totally divert attention off of you since citizen is such an easy kill for the town. Here, we see Foolishness attack DTA. DTA has been acting very very weird, and I agree with Foolishness about DTA hiding something. The mafia may be scared of Foolishness because of his attacks on fellow mafia members. This points fingers to DTA. Also, Foolishness makes it clear that citi.zen is a target for lynching, and that DTA could have pointed fingers to him. + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 08:12 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 08:08 DarthThienAn wrote:On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote:On July 20 2010 08:01 DarthThienAn wrote:Guys if I die tonight, then I am mafia. Death Post: + Show Spoiler + You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch. Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble. lol. Just doing my job ^^. On another note, I think Hyberbola was Godfather, so he flipped green... I mean, BM didn't officially say that he was a townie in the night post. :D:D:D I do appreciate you making it easy for all of us on who to vote for as soon as day starts. Mafia have probably sent in their hits already. Just claim now. The earlier the better. More assertiveness. Very scary for the mafia. + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote:You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch. Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble. More attacks on DTA. I feel that this is an important quote, considering that the mafia didn't target DTA this night. + Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 08:02 Foolishness wrote: The ordered by player list doesn't help for anything.
The only thing that's useful out of these lists is tracking the changes of who was ahead in the voting and how they got ahead. For instance, youngminii was ahead in votes at some point (I believe), looking at who were the people that pushed Hyperbola over is what's important. You also need the timestamps of when these votes happen, in order to confirm if there was a mafia pushover.
It's been said before, mafia spread out their votes as much as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only 1 mafia in the votes for youngminii and hyperbola combined. The only exception to this is if a mafia was about to be lynched, as the team would try to save that person. That's what we need to look out for. People already talked about this. That means we are on the right track. ##Vote: DarthThienAn because of his weird behavior and bring confusion. If he is a blue role or a townie, then he will need to defend himself in order to actually help the town. If he is a mafia, good.
Cool! You gave a whole bunch of Information Instead of Analysis![badtownplay] Oh hey guys, here's a bunch of stuff that was said about/by DTA and since I quoted it, you should trust me in that it points to him being mafia![/badtownplay]
Let's not let this get lost in the shuffle. Red or confused green, I don't think BrownBear is much of a threat right now.
From what I gather, DarthTheinAn is usually a pretty high profile player (won mayor two games ago). This game he is playing obstinate/quiet.
When DTA was red mayor two games ago, "Darth was also an excellent mafia player, managing to sweep his way into office on day 1, but he did overstep his boundaries just a little bit on the last day, and his position as mayor actually worked against him as he was under intense scrutiny, which led to his downfall." Source for that is BrownBear, btw, so... take that into account however you will. But it seems to me if DTA was red this game he'd be trying to take a lower profile this time around.
So you're saying someone that is as good as DTA (you're all making him out to be quite good, I'm not too sure how good he is), is bad enough to completely swap their playing style after their original style worked bar one or two mistakes? You really think he'd go from one extreme to the other as scum to 'avoid' suspicion? That's like the total opposite of what would happen (case in point: it's happening right now).
Oh yeah, intuition is awesome. We should always rely on our intuition to win us this game of analysis. I mean, clearly your intuition was correct about Foolishness being blue/red. Again, you're saying just because DTA is taking a low profile that he's scum. You can't just say "he's playing different, scum!" WHY does playing different make him scum, WHY does playing the total extreme of the way he played before make him scum. What about real life issues? What about the fact that he would be responding to these accusations if he really was mafia and was simply lurking?
Now you may think that it is too obvious for the mafia to kill off someone who publicly calls them out. It's not. It's good strategy. In fact, I myself killed off Foolishness in a game I won because he was one of the few suspicious of me. If someone suspects you, they won't magically think you're innocent if you let them survive the night. People's heuristics for determining who they will vote for don't tend to shift too wildly over the course of a game. Even if people make a mistaken vote early, they will tend to justify it ex post facto and perhaps continue it (maybe what I'm doing here, but I think I have some good logic to back up my gut feeling). If you are mafia, and a member is getting 3rd/4th place in votes, even with just a couple, that member could be in 1st a few days later. By killing off the people who are suspicious of you, even if their reasons suck, you get talked about less and you literally shave off your vote total. It's not too bad of a strategy to just play whack-a-mole going after all your public detractors because you can always just say you're getting framed. I've been there, done that.
Cause and effect. Just because Foolishness was pointing at DTA doesn't mean that it's why he died. I mean, it COULD be but the way you're selling it is as if it's the absolute truth.
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY / THE THREATDOWN / TLDR CENTRAL DarthTheinAn 1. Never defends himself with logic 2. Responded to Foolishness with a distorted counter attack and no refutation. 3. Blatantly ignores legitimate criticism to snark at strawmen instead. 4. Talks often, but without contributing anything new and useful. 5. Changes his vote often, usually without explanation. 6. Constantly "pretends" to be mafia. No red would ever be so daring! 7. Doesn't do shit all else. 8. Is supposedly capable of much better than this. That's just complete bullshit. I don't even know how the fuck you had the balls to come up with that list that completely condemns DTA and criticizes his play. You're assuming he's some horrible player and basing his scum play based on this assumption, when the general consensus is that DTA is a good player.
But hey, I don't mind if you lynch him. As you guys have said, he hasn't been very helpful this game. I mean hell, if he's blue/green it only buys me credibility which is needed for the late game.
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