So if the DT gets killed but he investigated the GF that night, he would still know who the GF was and could finger him with his death claim.
At least this is how I understand it to work.
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So if the DT gets killed but he investigated the GF that night, he would still know who the GF was and could finger him with his death claim. At least this is how I understand it to work. | ||
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On July 03 2010 03:45 Hesmyrr wrote: Also since it should be beneficial to pick a candidate for roleblock before day ends, let me actively try to start an discussion: given a choice, should we choose to roleblock someone suspected of Mafia (blocks NK) or Godfather (blocks recruitment)? Obviously Korynne's plan hinges on getting Mafia goon so we have some semblance of control over night death, but I rather like the idea of trying to roleblock Godfather too, since the # of successful recruitments he get off before dying is critical to the game's fate. Moreover by not shying away from RBing Godfather we can just choose to roleblock the scummiest player without worrying about details. We just need to remember in such case kill occurring in night does not necessarily mean the roleblocked player is town. As for roleblock candidate, I propose rastaban. I first noticed him only because of his frequent vote switch, but I don't think this is that bad chocie at all. He is fairly active in the game, but is one of those player who did not attract that much attention of the town, due to YI / Korynne / Bill Murray hogging all the town's spotlight. I would appreciate it if you guys also started talking about who to roleblock (since lynch candidate this point seem to be decided as either ElyAs or Abenson) and why. The problem with roleblocking the GF is that while it would be very productive, we have no way of knowing if it worked. Thats why the DT should consider getting a read on them even if the night kill isn't blocked. | ||
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There are so many questionable posts from him that I think we need to know his alignment and that he is not mafia. Here is my case + Show Spoiler + Well, I wasn't recruited, and Chezinu is still the godfather. Lets get this party started. The level 2 godfather might be very active to escape any such scrutiny, though probably not spouting out a plan like I am here. Yo, obviously (lol) not scum here. Here I present 3 denials from him that he is scum, one did come after BM made an accusation, but it strikes me as odd, no one else has tried to drop so many townie declarations. + Show Spoiler + If I were the godfather, I would have recruited a top player. Hey Godfather. How about you just give yourself up? That'll give this game 19 winners. Take one for the team. Here we have to 'Boast' posts if he is indeed scum. Of course saying you posts are scummy if you were scum is a logical fallacy, but I think they do weigh more scummy than most posts so far + Show Spoiler + If you read through the games I've played here (this is the fourth), you will find I have opened each game differently. This is for a few reasons which I might discuss in a general mafia thread, but it is primarily to make me unreadable. Here we have an explanation for the actions, that every game is played differently the problem is that as we are town it makes it hard for us to get a read on him which makes it slightly anti-town play. This doesn't mean he is scum but it gives him an answer for anything we accuse him of since there is no baseline + Show Spoiler + zeks = silent -> claiming mason supposedly forcing us to L's plan? I don't buy it. This here was so scummy that it almost clears him as scum probably wouldn't do that. I think he really just hadn't thought it out and was afraid we took it to easily at face value. As such I think a lynch would be a terrible choice on him, but I think that with this many items we should really go with roleblock. | ||
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On July 03 2010 08:56 Abenson wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2010 08:36 YellowInk wrote: Even if no lynch were an option (it isn't), I would not advocate it. Each night mafia are getting a recruit and a kill aside from failures. That's a huge red swing. We cannot play a waiting game. We need to force people to talk until we hit the godfather - whether because he chose to lay too low too long or because he stepped out of line and gets smacked for it. I must admit, you're right. However, if we lynch randomly we are losing townies at a rapid pace. We lost 1 townie from lynch, and another from mafia recruitment each night. However, by not making a random lynch on day 1, we would end up with 17 townies, 3 mafia instead of 16 townie, 3 mafia. Your thoughts? We are already at 17 townies 2 mafia and a traitor so even if we lynch someone who would be modkilled it will start as 15 townies 3 mafia and a traitor (without a roleblock or other contingency hapening) | ||
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On July 03 2010 09:15 Abenson wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2010 09:01 rastaban wrote: On July 03 2010 08:56 Abenson wrote: On July 03 2010 08:36 YellowInk wrote: Even if no lynch were an option (it isn't), I would not advocate it. Each night mafia are getting a recruit and a kill aside from failures. That's a huge red swing. We cannot play a waiting game. We need to force people to talk until we hit the godfather - whether because he chose to lay too low too long or because he stepped out of line and gets smacked for it. I must admit, you're right. However, if we lynch randomly we are losing townies at a rapid pace. We lost 1 townie from lynch, and another from mafia recruitment each night. However, by not making a random lynch on day 1, we would end up with 17 townies, 3 mafia instead of 16 townie, 3 mafia. Your thoughts? We are already at 17 townies 2 mafia and a traitor so even if we lynch someone who would be modkilled it will start as 15 townies 3 mafia and a traitor (without a roleblock or other contingency hapening) I see. Yea, I forgot that there are traitors in the game. Sure, but of course I'm looking for solutions that does not involve lynching me. Well if we are going for inactives, maybe we should be hanging L instead. The other option is lynch you and then have you play as Elyas :D ok maybe not and I don't know if that would be allowed but it is an idea. | ||
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Darth, are we allowed to post during the night cycles? | ||
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citi.zen - 2 (Korynne, BM) Korynne - 1 (Chezinu) YellowInk - 5 (lakrismamma, youngminii, rastaban, Abenson, BrownBear) rastaban - 1 (Hesmyrr) To Roleblocker: If the majority doesn't change, please roleblock YellowInk. | ||
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On July 03 2010 10:23 L wrote: And Elyas is different? Its way too late to get someone else bussed in, so we're pretty much forced to policy lynch and pick the least shitty out of the two candidates. you are probably right, and most of the votes for Elyas aren't from people on right now so too late to do anything. | ||
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On July 03 2010 10:25 L wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2010 10:22 citi.zen wrote: On July 03 2010 10:17 L wrote: I'd prefer the following Idea when it comes to roleblocking: Each of us should vote for 3 people we think we should roleblock. Out of the top 3 candidates, the roleblocker himself selects one and tells no one of his choice. In doing this, the threat of the easy lynch/recruitment is lessened, and mafia can't decide to frame people by selectively opting for no-hits. The only issue is that on day 3 we'd need the roleblocker to come out and say what's goin on, but day 3 is already our do or die day. We can switch the jailer to him perpetually thereafter if there is no counter claim. There's a 1/8 chance, or so, that the roleblocker is recruited prior to that point, but given how the coroner works and how mafia can manipulate their own hits, I don't see a superior alternative. That said, I'd be very accomodating to tossing yellowink into the first pool of 3. Better then killing a potentially good player. Wait, wouldn't this defeat the whole purpose here? If we're chain blocking the same person twice, there's no action that needs to be taken on a no-hit night before day 3 anyways. Don't see how this defeats the purpose, but feel free to tell me. we lose the benefit knowing who was and wasn't scum that night. How do you see the mafia abusing the method of us RBing someone specific? | ||
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now 17/3 (2 mob + 1 traitor) day 2: 14/4 day 3: 11/5 day 4: 7/6 - if we hang GF this night day 5: 6/5 - we have to be right every night from this point on or lose, I would say though, that we are unlikely to be THAT unlucky so day 4 would be more likely 8/5 which puts us in a bad place but I would say day 4 is most important. Not sure if my day 4 is your day 3, and I am not trying to argue for or against any claims with this just want to put the numbers out there. | ||
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Final tally was by my count: citi.zen - 2 (Korynne, BM) Korynne - 1 (Chezinu) YellowInk - 5 (lakrismamma, youngminii, rastaban, Abenson, BrownBear) rastaban - 1 (Hesmyrr) To Roleblocker: If the majority doesn't change, please roleblock YellowInk. | ||
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