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kinda disappointed right now | ||
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sign me up if you will | ||
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say there are 5 mafia, and the godfather gets capped, what happens with the rest of them? | ||
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you misunderstood me | ||
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then there wouldn't be any mafia at all really | ||
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if his name was W i'd post M np also note this: You are free to lie | ||
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when do you expect to start the game? | ||
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what a pleasure to see you what is it that brings you on this joyous day of my daughter's wedding? | ||
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On July 01 2010 01:01 youngminii wrote: But now if GF read your post, he might recruit one of the 'bad' players in line with your argument. WIFOM are you an idiot? would you rather recruit L or Abenson? would you rather recruit me or ace? + Show Spoiler + ~ | ||
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town interested in a random wagon? thoughts on voting for double lynch? | ||
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Player List: 1. Chezinu 2. BrownBear 3. YellowInk 4. zeks 5. Thegilaboy 6. Divinek 7. Bill Murray 8. citi.zen 9. L 10. DCLXVI 11. Hesmyrr 12. youngminii 13. bumatlarge 14. Korynne 15. lakrismamma 16. Abenson 17. ElyAs 18. AcrossFiveJulys 19. rastaban 20. BrowneY ok, from this, here are who I have determined would be possible recruits: Chezinu, BrownBear, YellowInk, citi.zen, L, Hesmyrr, Korynne , AcrossFiveJulys. I would add myself, but I know I wasn't recruited. So, we should lynch one of these people. I will put them into categories of "highly likely", "moderately likely", or "minimally likely" to be recruited and you all can do what you will with the information I share. Highly Likely: L - Everyone knows he is possibly the best player on the site. I would recruit him night 1. Citi.zen - If I didn't recruit L, I would recruit citi.zen. He is a solid poster, and has experience as scum. Chezinu - As seen 2 games ago, he can be a crafty mafioso. He is also known to disrupt the town's flow, so he would be of a benefit regardless and could be written off as a VI and not lynched. He, while doing this, is actually a very smart and crafty player who is highly intelligent. Moderately Likely: Korynne - rising up and comer... might be recruited because it's a girl. She also had a really good game as scum in the first game I ever hosted, in which RoL went AWOL on her and she had to best like 7 people... possible scum recruit. YellowInk - up and coming superstar. very recruitable even as a townie. BrownBear - Guy typically makes good posts and ends up in end game scenarios... good chance of him having a blue role if the roles aren't random, as he's a good medic imo. Fairly sure that darth thien an wasn't lying about it being random, though. Minimally likely: A5J - A smart player, but his name might not be out there enough to warrant a day 1 recruitment over a player like L. Hesmyrr - The guy simply has good posts. I would recruit him night 2 or 3, unless I felt like he drew a townie role. I'm not sure if people know how good he is, though, or i'd put him in the top 2 groups. I don't want to lynch L, even if he tops my list. He's too valuable if he isn't mafia. We would really be benefited through having him on our side. I'd say we judge how the people i've listed act. One of them likely was just recruited. | ||
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On July 01 2010 12:49 Qatol wrote: Please god no. Smurf game was an absolute failure because it turned into us searching for akas instead of roles. It might be a little better if people can't communicate privately (an ability I miss a lot these days), but I think it would still devolve into searching for akas. it would be so easy to find me, lol | ||
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On July 01 2010 12:43 BrownBear wrote: Sadly, Qatol, I'm still relatively noob. This is only like my 5th game or so. I've read some of the older games, and hoooly shit those must have been fun. Kind of considering hosting another smurf game, but not for a while/I'd have to ask Plexa first since that would be placing a ton of stress on him. Also, Korynne, everyone seems to place us together cause we're like the 3 main "new players" or something like that, I guess. Anyway, I'm gonna do what BM did and say who I think likely recruits are... Since Ace isn't in the game, that leaves 4 people I'd consider in the upper echelon of mafia players as far as logic/seeing them play goes: Korynne, Bill Murray, YellowInk, L. Of these 4, I'd say Korynne or L are the most likely of the "top tier" to have been recruited: BM is a bit too high profile to be noticed, and YellowInk is too obvious, given his status as the current golden-boy rookie. Korynne is probably the best mafia player currently in the game, for an example, I'm going to point to BM's example: his game, where she completely schooled 7 players, and kicked my ass even though I was in the position of knowing exactly who she was for the last 2 days (dammit XeliN). L, meanwhile, is simply too good of a townie to allow to stay townie for long, although sometimes people don't listen to him because he can be abrasive/trigger-happy with the FoS (look to TMMM for a great example where he nailed a mafia in the thread, posted some great reasons why, but nobody listened to him because he'd made too many enemies). However, I don't think any of these guys/girl were recruited night one, because that is far too obvious. After the top tier, there are the other "good" players: the guys who tend to stay active, post some good analysis, but they aren't top tier cause they're prone to dumb mistakes or bouts of inactivity, or just aren't quite good enough at the game (yet). That would be A5J, Hesmyrr, bumatlarge, DCLXVI, zeks, citi.zen, and Chezinu. These players prove they know how the game works, and I actually think this pool is from where most of the recruits will be drawn, precisely for the reason BM says A5J is likely NOT recruited - they possess a certain under-the-radar quality. We have to assume the Godfather is smart until proven otherwise, and I think a smart Godfather would try to recruit the less obvious players, while gently encouraging suspicion against the obvious players - thus, the obvious targets are lynched, while the mafia grows in number and eventually overwhelms the town. Thus, he's going to go for guys like A5J or Chezinu - A5J can avoid detection precisely because people don't expect the same level of activity from him as they do from, say, L, and Chezinu is such a wildcard anyway people will dismiss everything he does as normal Chez behavior, meaning he's actually a very sneaky recruit. Then, after those guys, we have the rest of the players: either players who are "less optimal" players, or newbies/unknowns. Not a great recruit pool, because there's a higher danger of inactivity. I would say I'm the best mafia player, as mafia, but it's only because my town play is so horrible. I disguise really well as mafia because my town play = scummy as fuck. On July 01 2010 12:38 rastaban wrote: One thing to keep in mind, the roles were random so it is possible the godfather is a newer player and doesn't quite realize which posters are most valuable. Even then he can probably read previous games and realize who to target. Anyway I have a semblance of a plan. In this game the worst thing that can happen is to out a blue as not only can they be killed but they could also be recruited. Not all the blues are equal so here seems the be the priority Roleblocker Detective Jailkeeper Coroner Dream Catcher Veteran Mad Hatter I have the Roleblocker listed first because if he blocks even one mafia then they get no night kill. This gives a couple different options. First if we have a confirmed mafia then we can have him blocked which will shut down the mafia. Now the same person can't be blocked twice in a row but if we could find 2 mafia they could be locked down permanently while the rest are sought out. The best plan for the roleblocker is to start randomly blocking people and if we get a night where there is no kill then you can try again the in 2 nights and cut down mafia kills in half or reveal the culprit. Now this isn't 100% because a veteran and the godfather could be hit and cause this due to 2 lives. The jailkeeper can keep someone from being recruited, the powerful part of this is that it can be used on the same person multiple times. Assuming that person wasn't recruited this turn (18/20 chance) then if they are continually jailed you actually have someone that you know isn't recruited. One of the good players above would probably be best, though risky since they have a higher chance of a night 0 recruit. Last thought Bill Murray put up an excellent list, while I don't think he is scum, since they can't directly communicate with the godfather it would be an excellent way to try and suggest some targets for him. Just something to keep in mind Not sure what you mean by this. I am not confirmed in the least as a town player, but i AM a town player, thank you for noticing my townieness. Also, thanks for calling my list "excellent". It is by no means a testament to the skill of the player, but is a mix of that and the public perception. I made a special case for Chezinu, because I realize how insanely brilliant the man is. On July 01 2010 12:34 Chezinu wrote: I cannot believe that this town believes that my behavior is disruptive. You people hardly even know who I am. I have not even spoken a word. If silence causes chaos, then let my voice create order. To began the task of creating a like-minded community that can overthrow the evil schemes that Kira (Godfather) has ordained as "justice" we must organize ourselves and create a model for the whole town to follow. I think L is a good candidate to lead our investigation for no one knows who this man is or where he comes from. Just like our adversary, Kira.. If you were the Godfather, you would not chose the obvious nor the least likely recruits, but you would choose names that blend in as your average joe. With that said, let us not dwell on the past but on the present and future. 1. No time to act crazy, it is against the rules and hurts town because your death tells nothing. 2. We have new roles and that brings up the standard questions: Are all roles used? How many blues? - I didn't see anything stating that this was a semi-open game. 3. Plans? Should Lovers and Mason roleclaim to rush the mafia while there numbers are low? Should we use this tactic to narrow down the possibility of who the GF could be before mafia numbers grow and the chances of lovers becoming corrupted by the power to kill? Or is this move way too risky? But if we kill the Mothership containing the queen, there will be no reproduction. So we need not focus on the pawns, if we kill one today another will appear tomorrow. If we do dare to go after the pawns, we must hope and pray that the pawn themselves kill the godfather without knowing it themselves. With that in mind, many townies will pretend to be godfather in hopes that the mafia pawns whether it is for selfish reasons to get the mafia to leave them alone or as an act of conserving their special role or perhaps to be a town hero in some crazy strategy. This behavior will hinder the town in finding the real godfather who may or may not contain scummy behavior. Secret codes to indicate that you are the godfather may need to be banned in order to prevent chaos. DTs should focus on finding the GF, that is your primary objective. Coroner please stick around, for we need you to dig up some graves and examine the bodies. Or perhaps just stick around to examine the unburied bodies.. Not sure what we are going to do with the dead as of right now. Hopefully, we'll end this game before it gets too messy. For 30% fun: Did you or did you not use the queen of hearts to decide who would be Juliet? + Show Spoiler + Was it the King of hearts or the jack of hearts for Romeo? 1. I disagree with this. Deaths actually reveal information in this game. Re-read the rules. Check out the "coroner", too, while you're at it. 2. No idea how many roles/blues were used. L might have a good guess on that. 3. I do not advise roleclaiming mason yet. Breadcrumb it for later like ~OpZ~ did in WaW if your masonic partner is Abenson and runs the risk of getting policy policed. On July 01 2010 14:53 L wrote: Well, 2 am = sleep time. BM, wut is this. I expect answers tomorrow mornin'. G'night. "Double Lynch Usable twice per game, the town lynches two people instead of one. This means on the next day everyone gets two votes to distribute between two different people. The double lynch is activated by voting for it in addition to a player (or players if a double lynch is currently activated). The vote must exceed half the number of players voting that day. IE: If there are 20 players voting then the town needs 11 votes to use a double lynch. Double lynches may be voted on starting Day 2. Double lynches may be used on consecutive days. Players cannot place both of their votes on one player when a double lynch is in effect. LOL, all jokes aside, I figured we should use it as opposed to having it sitting in the tank at the end of the game with us having already lost. The fact that a random lynch day 1 > a no lynch in terms of being pro-town should lend weight to the fact that a double lynch would be beneficial. I don't know the math on it, I didn't expect it to be voted on, and I was in part doing it because "if i was mafia, my team would be up on my balls for doing this, so i went ahead and did it to prove i'm not mafia" i know that i didn't PROVE shit, but I am at least trying to show you that I am going to try to help the town. On July 01 2010 12:53 youngminii wrote: Yeah, I see myself as the last choice for the Godfather to pick. Kind of like when you get picked last for sports. Oh God, the humiliation As for the double lynch, I don't think it's a good idea to do it so early in the game. I mean, the chances of lynching scum/GF is 1/10 even with the double lynch. I'd have thought the double lynch was designed later in the game, when let's say GF has 4 recruits and 2 of them become glaringly obvious. If the number of townies were dwindling, a double lynch would be useful, nay, crucial to the townie's victory. Otherwise (barring non-scum NKs) the number of GF recruits wouldn't drop, whereas the townies would probably reach lylo quickly. In fact, if it's lylo, even if scum is lynched, the GF will simply recruit another and the mafia would win. So double lynching is 100% necessary for late game. You seem like a good player. I would NOT pick you last from this group. I also want to emphasize my reason for voting double lynch at this juncture was in part because I actually thought it might help the town, but mainly to confirm myself as a townie. On July 01 2010 13:12 YellowInk wrote: A few quick points I want to stick into this flurry. Mass roleclaim is bad. Bad Chez Bad. Hang the Chez for even suggesting. Cahoots! Stalemates are not good for town. They're not terrible, either, IF the godfather is dead, but since as a non-roleblocking townie it's hard for one to be sure if we're actually in a stalemate or perhaps had a lucky medic/vet in between two role blocks. Double lynches should be used in the mid to late game, not in the early game. It's a town empowering ability. Right now we'd be shooting blanks. Later we'll need them to clean up the scum. If I were the godfather, I would have recruited a top player. Remember that we're going to have a very difficult time lynching any of the skilled players to begin with. While the numbers are thin, they're going to play no differently from any other townie. It doesn't matter that we know who the skilled players are, I am not about to bet the game on lynching L or Korynne or BM tonight. If we were to start lynching these players, the godfather would then switch to going after middling players, so there's not much advantaged to be gained by making a plan to lynch top players. Ok, so that last point wasn't so quick. Recruiting games are tough. You can't trust anyone - unfortunately especially those who get named as 'strong'. But what if we DON'T shoot blanks? I also agree with you on recruited a top tier player. You could just play it off like Korynne is doing "well if *I* was the mafia I would recruit a middle of the road player"... BULLSHIT. not saying she's mafia, just sayin' ya could do that ya know. On July 01 2010 13:18 BrownBear wrote: In this game, it looks like the middle is in more danger than the strong players, as most people (myself included) think they'll be recruited. And now everyone's placing me in the middle pool. Curses. Gotta work harder at being a better player. I'm not striving to be the best player, but I do want to work my skill level to a point where I can at least be considered very good. But now for some funtimes. Korynne: Referring to BM's list, placing me as a player minimally likely to be recruited. Then, next page: OBJECTION! That is a contradiction, missy. Explain yourself? Hey, being "minimally likely" is better than "no fucking chance". The way you've been posting this game, I would recruit you. On July 01 2010 13:25 Korynne wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2010 13:16 DCLXVI wrote: I don't think this plan would work very well. Even if we did have a roleblocker on our side and we declared a target for him/her, we could not guarantee someone as town for more than a day. The godfather could always recruit the roleblocked person the next night. Also, can the mafia choose not to kill at night? If so then the mafia could choose not to kill when the roleblocked player is townie so that the town lynches the townie the next day and throws off our numbers for a bit. I don't understand why you say that the mafia have to sacrifice a night kill to kill the roleblocked guy, he is only safe for a day unless you plan on having him roleblocked for the whole game. That would hurt if he/she was a blue role and the chances that we have a roleblocker drop each day. This method uses our lynches to find the mafia, but unless we find the godfather we are just fighting a losing battle. Keeping the mafia numbers down is good though, so there is merit to this strategy. I suppose the longer the town can keep ahead of the mafia the more the godfather will have to say and the easier he/she will be found. Man, do I have to explain everything 5 times before people get it? xD It's not to declare that person as town, it's to not waste lynches on townies. At that point, they are not mafia, so at that point, killing them is lowering town power. We want to keep as many people around as possible. If mafia chooses not to kill that night, then they wasted a night kill! So instead of killing someone they choose, they have to not kill someone, so that the person we chose dies. That sounds like a pretty friggin awesome deal to me. We vote to roleblock one person every night, and we vote to lynch that person if no night kill went on at night. So at most 1 person dies per day/night cycle, which prolongs the game which should be good for townies. We're not really using lynches to find mafia as much as like, forcing mafia+town down to 1KP. And we never let a mafia go unlynched unless it's GF. This is a perfectly awesome idea unless we have no roleblocker or roleblocker is mafia'd. Is it just me, or is Korynne suggesting we don't use our only KP as a town? The plan sounds fun, and I'm all for breaking games if the mod doesn't care, but not using the lynch sounds straight up not-town-aligned to me, and if it keeps being done, i'm probably gonna have to push a policy lynch..... and i'm NOT a policy lyncher. On July 01 2010 13:27 Korynne wrote: Dude you people don't get it! Mafia choosing not to kill anyone is good! Normal situation: We lynch X during the day, mafia kills Y during the night. This situation: We don't lynch X during the day, mafia kills Y during the night. (we don't lynch X and X can't be mafia) We don't lynch X during the day, mafia doesn't kill at night and we lynch X the next day. (Mafia doesn't get to kill Y) We don't lynch X during the day, mafia can't kill at night. (we lynch X, X is mafia) Use your brain peoples. -.- Simple logic here. DROWNING IN WIFOM The mafia can just, like, not send in a kill............. wifom wifom wifom wifom jeez korynne, your play is super scummy so far. On July 01 2010 13:30 Korynne wrote: Um, it gives us more townies around. We could always actually lynch someone if we think they are GF. But if we think someone is mafia this is the way to go. The awesome part about this idea is that if we have a town-aligned roleblocker, it means that mafia cannot escape lynch but we just have more townies around. Also: I'm okay with lynching vet or GF. Since there's probably only one vet, and losing a vet is not a big deal. And like, killing GF by using the fact that he can't die to one night kill actually makes this plan even better! Losing a vet is not a big deal????? ........... On July 01 2010 13:30 YellowInk wrote: Moving on to 'how do we win?' As should be clear, the godfather needs to be the primary target. Also keep in mind that the mafia don't know who the godfather is. This means the mafia may take out the godfather for us. How do we accomplish this? Activity levels in the early game are absolutely crucial. I don't care what you're saying, I just want you talking. If you were a noob-level godfather, you might choose to say almost nothing. The mafia aren't going to hit you because you're not helping the town - they are glad to have inactives hanging out. With an anti-inactivity policy in effect, you're forcing the godfather to talk. So the level 1 godfather would be talking at some moderate amount, but the godfather doesn't want to help the town either, so there are traditional tells to watch for. Being aware of this, just like watching for usual scum, we want to keep a close eye on the middle-of-the-road players that are contributing minimally but being active in the thread. The level 2 godfather might be very active to escape any such scrutiny, though probably not spouting out a plan like I am here. But we don't even force the godfather to play at this level unless we force everyone to talk. Now since we KNOW almost everyone is town aligned right now, we can rightfully expect almost every single player to be active in thread and putting forth their ideas. Therefore, any player that is playing sub-optimally right now needs to be lynched. If we don't get rid of the inactives now, we'll be plagued with them the rest of the game - and even a DT check won't save their face since they can get recruited. If we force the godfather to be active, they may get hit by the mafia. If the godfather remains inactive or suspiciously unproductive, we'll lynch for it. Speaking of DTs, yes, it is worth outing yourself immediately to finger the godfather. Then, once the godfather is dead, we'll be at a somewhat informed state of the game and be able to immediately go after scum. Hopefully we'll take out a couple scum along the way anyhow - but this should not be a priority. After all, lynching a scum and having one recruited from our ranks is a net loss to us. Lets get to it, shall we? REALLY like this post. YellowInk stepping into the spotlight typically = town. The only problem with this setup, though, is that town now doesn't = town later necessarily. We will not be able to settle into "confirmed and obv town" until we lynch the Godfather. Before that happens, we will be living in the limbo of questiotown. On July 01 2010 13:34 youngminii wrote: You're ignoring the fact that the GF will be recruiting twice as fast, relative to the amount of deaths going on. Also, consider this scenario: N1: We vote to roleblock L. Mafia kills BM. People trust L and vote to roleblock someone else. N2: GF recruits L. It simply won't work. Jeez. This guy is experienced. youngminii, I really like your play. On July 01 2010 13:35 DCLXVI wrote: Umm... all of this is fine except the GF recruits another mafia each night so the KP is essentially 2. I don't understand how you think that the mafia not killing someone is a good thing in this scenario - we roleblock someone GF recruits (please not a blue role) no deaths show we lynch a townie overall we lose two townies with no chance of hitting a mafia. The only possible benefit is a lucky blue role like DT finding mafia Yes prolonging the game is a good thing, but not at the expense of having more mafia recruited while killing 0 of them. How are we not wasting lynches on townies in this situation? We are only killing townies. I was questioning your ability, but you really let it shine in this post. With the setup such as this, we need to lynch the godfather NOW. That is a 3rd reason for double lynch along with me attempting to confirm myself as town, and me basing it mainly off of a random lynch > no lynch per helping town. On July 01 2010 13:48 YellowInk wrote: Alright, just one last word before I head out for a few hours. The best thing every single town aligned person can do is talk. The preference is to talk productively - we're not going to find the godfather or scum today unless we get super lucky. This is the day you can trust almost every single person around you. Make plans. Talk about how the setup works. If you don't talk in a productive manner, you will be lynched. I will be grading you. Furthermore, if your 'productivity' slacks off later in the game it could be because you've been recruited. If we don't have a strong baseline for good activity right now, we won't be able to read it later in the game. Either way we lynch you. So everyone needs to voice their thoughts and provide new ideas. Every single one of you. HOHOHO LOL i hope i get an A! jeez. YellowInk for Mayor! oh wait... lol On July 01 2010 14:30 L wrote: I'm lookin' at it :3. I see some pretty large problems with it, specifically that mafia KP is 1, which means that a no-hit night is a fantastic way to frame someone. Additionally, there's a problem in that the roleblocker needs to somehow get information into the thread about who he's chosen to roleblock unless we use a set rotation and the moment he does he's gonna get stolen. I also don't see how we can run a rotation if the roleblocker himself might be put into the lineup, because that would be a bit off. The only workable alternative is that we have the roleblocker come out into the open and we chain-jail him. We can only really do that on day 1 because if we don't, that would be a very, very good place for mafia to gambit and contest the block. There's also the coroner issue; unless the mafia kp meter is hovering at a breakpoint, killing a mafia won't even be known. Even if we shoot the real roleblocker, the mafia stand in might simply pretend he's blocked someone random and have his team put a no-hit list in. Put simply, we will not know how many mafia members there are, and whether or not a particular kill of ours is effective until blues step up. The moment another group of blues step in, our jailor won't be able to protect them all from recruit/hits. That's kinda the catch this game; unlike a game wherein mafia would be outted by a gambit, here we might have an early coroner kill, then zero certainty regarding roles thereafter. Thank you for realizing that the mafia could just no hit in this scenario. On July 01 2010 14:41 citi.zen wrote: Lots of confusion here, but I guess that's par for the course. A few thoughts: 1. I like the enthusiastic idea of "going for the GF first" - but without confirmation from a blue role it ain't happening, unless we get exceptionally lucky. 2. Thank god no more "naive" or "paranoid" DTs in this game. Given #1, extending the game gives the blue roles more time to gather information. Korynne's RB idea does this by a very little bit, I don't dislike it so far. 3. Chez and L suggest using the mason / lover pairs... A single mason probably works better since you don't stand to lose two people at once. As Chez says though, they probably know best & can decide together. 4. The mafia "team" is most vulnerable at the beginning, when it numbers 1 or 2 players. This likely impacts their recruitment patterns - ie go for "safer" recruits earlier. 5. youngminii - are you paying attention even a little bit to this game? I like his posting style. Him contesting Korynne earlier felt very town to me. Other than YellowInk, I would be more sure of him than anyone else for bein a townie. FoS on Korynne so far for some of the scummier early posts. You did well in the last few pages to make me think that you're not the godfather, though. Traitor, maybe, Godfather? I don't think so. Pretty sure you'd be lurking. Believe it or not, the reason I first picked up on you possibly being scum was you posting like this "Three lines like this all of them with spaces in between" I noticed you posted like that sometimes when you were mafia, but i'm just gonna be suspicious of you. I am not going to randomly vote someone else as it would be a common scum tell, believe it or not, and would clear korynne - SOMETHING IM NOT TRYING TO DO. I would now, after responding to some of the posts I found interesting in the thread, like to explain to you why I wasn't recruited. I got lynched day 1 last game, so the mafia are hyper-aware of the fact that I am highly lynchable as I act out and like to piss people off to get information out of them. There is no way in hell that I would ever recruit myself day 1 in this setup. Day 3? 4? sure. If i'm not lynched by that point via policy i'm probably one of the most obvious town players there are. This combined with me doin' that funky double lynch vote should confirm me nearly people i think might be town youngminii yellowink bumatlarge people i think might be scum korynne acrossfivejulys (for his 3rd vote on a wagon) On July 01 2010 14:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: ##Vote: ElyAs As a result, I am going to keep my vote where it is. I just noticed this. I didn't want to vote someone new as to not give a red flag myself (good players might think they're noticing something that isn't there) At least from what i've noticed, AcrossFiveJulys is a good lynch, as he has the only scum tell so far. | ||
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a random day 1 lynch might win the game for us your plan would ruin the game for us the fact you are pushing for a plan which draws the game out where the mafia have unlimited recruitment nights.................................... just stop now if you aren't red. | ||
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On July 01 2010 16:45 BrownBear wrote: Is that a compliment? But I'm slightly confused. You have this awesome big long post responding to a bunch of people, including MAJORLY pointing FoS at Korynne... then you decide to lynch A5J for a jeep tell, saying he's the only obvious scumtell so far? Wut? I wasn't going to address this, even though I desired to earlier, as I wanted to "only make good posts", but since Korynne irritated me enough to take me away from attempting my goal, and i've broken it, i'll respond to this now. Korynne, though acting oddly, may not be scum. If you noticed in my post I label her as a "traitor" in all likelihood. Her acting this way might just be that she has a weird new role, so I would not want to lynch her as much as FoS on her because she is likely to be traitor, coroner, jailkeeper, roleblocker, whatever moreso than likely to be godfather as there are just simply more chances of being town than of being godfather and acting the way she is. the way this game is set up we need to keep what blue roles we have, and all of you guys shouldn't claim unless a single mason can, assuming we have a jailer to keep them locked up and protect them. We could possibly do this with a DT later, too, right? I want to preserve our blue roles, so if you're a townie, it might be advisable to fake a claim and get recruited. My pushing for AcrossFiveJulys is because I feel like he took us into seriousland with his scummy 3rd vote...................... in the RVS. This essentially ended the RVS. I am a fan of the Random Voting Stage, as it fits my style of play. It may just be that A5J doesn't realize. Ignorance is bliss... If people would have listened to me last game, though, we would have probably won. The case on A5J is stronger than anyone else's case so far His play is also fitting of how the Godfather would play, and he is of a caliber to be selected (I DONT CARE IF IT WAS "RANDOM") Plain and simple, A5J is possible scum, and as he made the game serious, let's put pressure on him and make it more serious. I'm not saying "lynch him" 100% lets make him post more scummy voting like he did is proof that he has been actively lurking imo. that is scummy too. his 3rd vote on a wagon not only taking us out of RVS is also literally a scumtell found here: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP's_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia I have more experience than a lot of you, and more experience than any of the "more experienced" of you in the past couple months. I have been playing in a game that I have been in for over 3 months. I know how scum play right now, and A5J fits the description. Put pressure on him, force a claim, and lynch him if he is a liar. | ||
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On July 01 2010 17:23 Korynne wrote: How does that ruin the game?? We have to lynch, so we lynch who we think is godfather and we roleblock who we think is most likely to be mafia. Just stop arguing with me with poor logic now if you aren't red. (Legit complaints are addressed, ex when someone brought up the fact that we might not have a roleblocker, or suggesting extending it to two days because roleblocker can block for no more than two nights in a tow, etc.) mafia can recruit night 7 8 9 10 whatever korynne just drop it. | ||
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Your plan is like communism, though, it looks good on paper but won't work. heed my words | ||
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What do you think about lynching A5J, Yellow? | ||
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What do you think about lynching A5J, Yellow? | ||
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On July 01 2010 18:53 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: BM, are you just mad that I trashed you in your HP thread? You've been gunning to lynch me since the moment the day began lol. If you really think that being 3rd to vote for elyas is scummy, I will justify it in the same way I did right before the vote post: elyas has been an inactive and useless player in both games I've played with him, so if someone's gonna die today I'd choose him. Of course, if I hear a good argument for someone else I'd change my vote in a heartbeat. If you just think I'm a likely person to be recruited due to my perceived skill level and name recognition in relation to everyone else in the game (most have been saying middle of the line), then I would say you probably have your head on straight. Go ahead and keep pressuring me, I can take it. On that note, one person we should keep an eye on is citizen. He is a decent player, but is very quiet even when he's town. He'd be a good person for mafia to recruit. 1) don't reference ongoing games 2) quit making up lies, i only pushed for you after i noticed your scummy vote in the RVS. you are likely scum, so i am voting for you. 3) though I agree with you on citi.zen, he is probably a blue role. Coroner imo. You, on the other hand, are the Godfather. | ||
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@A5J I am also irritated you ended the RVS at all in the first day of day 1 that is serious scummy behavior also when you post "I will justify it in the same way I did right before the vote post: elyas has been an inactive and useless player in both games I've played with him, so if someone's gonna die today I'd choose him. Of course, if I hear a good argument for someone else I'd change my vote in a heartbeat." the fact that you feel like you need to justify yourself to me is also an indication that you are worried about how the thread will perceive you. you are worried that you may do something that will make you appear scum, and you don't post a lot, but when i pressure you you feel the need to defend yourself in case you might get lynched tomorrow morning (which you will).You really didn't defend yourself all that well, you didn't really defend why you made the voting so serious, and you probably didn't even realize how your active lurking and scummy voting was making you appear. | ||
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On July 01 2010 19:18 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: I can reference an ongoing game that you are the MOD of (in other words, you are not PLAYING) and that I spoke in publicly if I want if I believe it's influencing your behavior, thanks. hi! I suppose you forgot you wrote this, it's not like you voted immediately when the day started for me: Wow BM, you must be an amazing scum hunter. Deciding who the god father is before they've even posted! Let's all get behind BM! I have a very serious question for you: really? REALLY? are you kidding me? You've deduced that citizen is the coroner? lmfao. I know how he plays as blue. I don't know how you play as red, but you are beginning to give me townie vibes. I do not want you to think that I have in any way voted for you because of my game. Why would I care that you were a lover and died in my game? I find it funny you are still upset about it. I am trying to scumhunt. I am sorry that I had to pressure you and see how you reacted. If you've actually read my play as town, this is what I do. Korynne is acting VERY funny this game, and in line with her scum meta. I am going to omgus her for that shifty vote with no explanation. | ||
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hope that clears up my previous voting. i am now voting for korynne because i've had FoS on her already, and she is spazzing over it. possible blue/red. still getting the traitor vibe from her which could be explaining why she is so creeped out that i hit the nail on the head if she flips traitor i'm going to be sooooooooooooooooo stoked and find it funny that i'm a mind-reader | ||
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On July 01 2010 19:18 Korynne wrote: I'm going to bed, should be awake before the end of the day, but voting just in case. xP Voting for BM because I get a funny feeling from him like I mentioned before. He's actually contributing like a normal person, which freaks me out. Which would be a shame if it turns out he's just a regular townie/blue role trying to step up his game. BM if you link me to a game in the past where you've played "normally" I'd definitely retract my vote. It's not like a real serious vote, like I said, I'm going to bed, so like, figured I'd vote just in case. squirm | ||
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On July 02 2010 01:00 Korynne wrote: Like honestly BM, if you've read any of my games, you know that other than the game where I was scum in your game (though that doesn't really count because that was f11) I've tried to propose some sort of lengthy strategy at the beginning of the day. Also I was going to bed, you're way too sensitive to the vote on you and you don't usually seem like the OMGUS kind of person. Like I said, which you have not addressed in any way, you're playing differently this game than all others. You could at least have said, well gee thanks I try to help out for real now and I get voted on for that? You just completely ignored that part of my post. So yeah, heavy FoS on you. What's wrong with my idea? If we implement it we can do up to 3 actions a day instead of just 1. Actions: #1 Roleblock a mafia, this can block all 3 KP if we hit the mafia. I highly doubt mafia is going to pretend to not kill anyone when a townie gets blocked, they could just kill that townie and 2 others. Even when mafia has 1 KP it's between not killing and letting the one guy (we chose) die, and just killing the person that they feel like is most detrimental to town. #2 DT check a GF, since that's the only way we can find the GF and a GF to DT trade is like, absolutely worth it especially since we have a system for mafia now. #3 Lynch an inactive, since we have to lynch everyday, if the roleblock and DT check don't work out then we just lynch an inactive, like we can do today since we haven't started DT checking and roleblocking. So how do we implement this plan? #1 Pseudovote in this thread for mafia and GF, like ##mafia: A ##GF: B #2 At night, roleblocker blocks the person who got the most votes for mafia (even if they don't agree on the person being mafia, and of course they don't have to roleblock themselves, but they can't roleblock anyone else at night if they are the one designated to be roleblocked) and detective checks the person who town voted on as most likely to be GF (with the same clause as above, except if the town voted for the DT then he can check whoever he likes) #3 In the morning, if the DT found GF, we lynch GF. If no night kills happened, we lynch the person that was roleblocked. If neither of those happen, then we lynch an inactive (they don't contribute to us very much, and they're harder to read, and this forces people to talk) We can also vote for double lynch if there's a lot of people we want to kill (like we got a GF and there was no night kills, vote for double lynch the next day). This way we get through 3 things a day. Now for everyone who doesn't understand how this is beneficial to us, let me spell it out for you. Above method: Up to 3 actions a day Normal method: We have to choose to either lynch someone we think is mafia (to lower their KP), choose to lynch someone we think is GF (to stop the recruiting), and probably have no power to threaten the inactives because we're too busy hunting scum. Okay peoples? This sounds like a wonderful idea. heavy fos on me after i made a half page post putting heavy fos on you first? your play is trash. | ||
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On July 02 2010 01:17 Korynne wrote: Bill you're laughable at your accusation of me. I'm acting funny and that's in line with my scum meta? The only game I was scum was your game, where it was f11 so there was no reason to make any let's break the game plans. And I'm pretty sure everyone in that game thought I was acting just fine and normal. The game I acted "funny" in might be the PYP where Foolishness (mafia) kept accusing me of being scum because of one thing I repeatedly say (well you can lynch me to find out since I'm vanilla and then you'll know for sure if Foolishness stole Comp Vig) that he's like omg that's so typical scum. And I was townie that game. So like, worst argument ever. -.- jeez, you're still on me? your play is so bad. how about you learn how to scumhunt? take notes. | ||
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"Now Double Lynch (proposed by BM). This is bad idea, and many people already spoke up why, but let me summarize the main points: 1) There are only two double lynch available in this game and should be saved until seriously needed, 2) Using double lynch at d1, when there are lack of information, only increases chance of bandwagoning scum slightly but greatly increase the chance of bandwagoning PR (since there are more of them) which is exactly what we do not want. I am curious to know the Bill Murray's reasoning behind his support- it is in responsibility of the plan proposer to explain why that plan is good idea, you know. maybe if you'd actually READ you would know why I did it. I provided 3 reasons. I'm going to vote for you until you can provide me with the 3 reasons I already provided for you in the thread. | ||
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On July 02 2010 03:48 Korynne wrote: I'm going to go ahead and get this started. ##GF: Bill Murray ##Mafia: citi.zen Like I said before, BM is acting really weird. But he seems to be contributing to town. So I say we DT check him. citi.zen is a good player, but he's quiet, so might be a good target for GF since he doesn't draw attention. you are OMGUS tunneling you know how bad that is? this is a sign of really bad play, korynne, i'm not joking with you it shows a lack of creativity in scumhunting, which indicates to me you only use half your brain. | ||
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On July 02 2010 04:12 Ace wrote: Policy Police! whee oo whee oo | ||
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she was super squirmy last night and now she's trying to get me killed because i suspect her this sort of omgus tunneling is indicative of scum | ||
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On July 02 2010 04:14 ElyAs wrote: Sorry ? You respond to me and you say I am inactive ? What is this I don't even On topic, I think the one proposing the plan should be checked. Most of the time it's a good way to stay under the radar. And at least if we know you are not the GF, we know you weren't trying to break the game in your favor. So : ##GF : Korynne Yea, if we do Korynne's plan, she is the guinea pig | ||
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On July 02 2010 04:56 Korynne wrote: I am not OMGUS tunneling. I said before, your whole attitude this game is very weird in comparison to previous games with you. How is that WIFOM?? If mafia doesn't choose to send in a kill then they are choosing to let the person we choose die, rather than them choosing someone to kill. I don't know about you but if I was mafia I'd rather kill who I wanted to kill than waste a night not killing anyone, then just let town lynch someone town chose the night before as scummy looking. we would not be sure which cup our poison was in basically either it's them not sending it in or us making terrible assumptions the game i am scum in mafiascum on we didnt send in a kill night 1, so korynne, your play is in line with current scum-meta and is probably being influenced by someone else regardless of whether or not you ar pming someone IN the game, you could be pming ace for instance and him guiding you on "how to play scum" perhaps scum meta currently = not sending in a kill night 1 from what i've weened this is what you are advising you are scum The only person who looks like a vet is the GF. If it was down to killing someone that was 50/50 GF/vet, I'd go for it. There's other power roles in this game, I don't see the significance of vet (actually I never quite saw why vet was any good). vet is a GREAT power role to roleclaim as medic or detective, soak a mafia hit, then go LULZ im the vet. Confirmed townie especially if you breadcrumbed. some mafia i guess you don't see that? It's EXACTLY how Ver would do it. Why don't you people get it? We're dragging it on by keeping more town players, not by letting mafia slip by. If we find a mafia and roleblock him, then he will die. The only thing we're doing by using my plan is keeping more townies alive. It doesn't matter if GF recruits them that night. Scenario 1: We RB the guy, GF recruits the guy. => one more mafia Scenario 2: We lynch the guy, GF recruits another guy. => one less townie, one more mafia keeping more townies alive doesnt mean they wont be recruited we have a dreamcatcher to soak whatever blue role we mislynch so keep your mouths SHUT. Oh that makes you look real town. Hey guys, we're doing this, we're not discussing, kthx. Still don't see how I'm acting oddly. Does anyone else agree with BM that I'm acting oddly? You pointed out something obvious, how does that explain your case. Hey BM, the sky is blue! Now just drop it! Also I lol at the fact you somehow decided citi.zen was coroner. OK, but why do you have to spam the thread quoting 2 posts YOU DONT EVEN RESPOND TO MAFIA GF LYNCH HER NAO Someone sounds a little upset. Totally unlike you in other games where you're begging people to keep you alive. And like seriously, chill. This is completely unlike you in any game. You're always chill, and now you're freaking all over the place. I'm not freaking out at all, im locked into my read. I am not going to waste away my read like I did last game with YellowInk I don't care if people don't believe me you are a very good lynch in terms of winning for the town if you are the godfather I'm going to say that someone is doing something, without providing reason for it, and it is in line with her scum meta, because in the only game she's scum, she totally fooled town by acting totally normal. You're the OMGUS here, not me. I was the mod of that game I am very in line with how you would be acting you are still my #1 suspect, but not worthy of a vote really because the town can't believe it. I'm creeped out because you're acting very different this game. If other people think you're acting normal then I'll drop it. I'm under the impression that if everyone thinks you're being different you're probably different, and if everyone thinks I'm acting different then I must be acting different and not noticing it. But as far as I can tell no one has told me I'm acting weird except you. You also stated earlier you were getting other vibes from me, very convincing arguments Bill, we'll win the game on your "vibes." I am acting different because my play has gotten a lot better. Moderating a large theme game gives you more perspective. YOU are the one acting funny, not me sis. I think you're the one squirming here BM, not me. You're freaking all over my votes, whereas I just voted for you and explained it wasn't even a serious thing. And I've already changed my vote today. You voted for me BEFORE you explained it. Get it straight or get out of my game. Is this what you consider to be one of the reasons I'm scummy? Honestly? More support for your trash talk please. Oh gee, you're so great at scumhunting now aren't you? I'm sorry, the important thing in this game isn't to find the truth, but to CONVINCE people of the truth. Your reasonings being a "vibe" and OMGUS and random accusations without support doesn't help your case in any way. Yes, I am. People just dont know to listen yet. Oops, looks like you'll have to keep voting for me then. I see absolutely no reason why you voted for me. Yet again, you act like you provided reasons before, when you provided them after I called you out on trying to push a mislynch because you are scum-driven Because putting things in bold makes them the truth. I am not OMGUS tunneling. I could care less if you were accusing me or someone else. I think you are acting weird. I already mentioned this when you were accusing A5J instead of me. Scumhunting isn't about "creativity," so keep spewing your bullshit. Oh, and I'm totally cool with only using half my brain, normal humans only use 10% anyway. "keep spewing my bullshit" lol someone is mad that I have them pegged and am going to get them lynched. your 10% is all on the same side, chick. 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Mafia do not lose goons over time Our KP is fixed THEIR'S ISN'T DON'T LET HER GET TO 5 MEMBERS AND POSSIBLY 3KP SHE IS BEING INFLUENCED BY ACE LYNCH HER IDIOTS | ||
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She's trying to do what Ace would do, honestly, this is what i feel. | ||
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[quote]vet is a GREAT power role to roleclaim as medic or detective, soak a mafia hit, then go LULZ im the vet. Confirmed townie especially if you breadcrumbed. some mafia i guess you don't see that? It's EXACTLY how Ver would do it.[/quote] Yeah, vet is a great power role to claim for the GF, because, oh wait, he does have 2 night lives. -.- How does medic or dt just arbitrarily soak a mafia hit? Also if they claim vet, then why shouldn't mafia just hit them again? They obviously have 1 night life left if they're vet. quit twisting my words. you cant even comprehend play when i spell it out for you GREAT POWER ROLE TO ROLECLAIM MEDIC OR DETECTIVE SOAK A HIT GO LOL IM THE VET I FOOLED YOU breadcrumb it previous and you're confirmed townie essentially in most setups The GF has 2 lives? Imba. I would normally feel like you are dissuading the town from lynching you via a town on town argument but you are seriously spazzing out and spamming way more than me even. | ||
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"Forgive me if I don't believe that halfway through your modded game where half the players are pissed off at you for not making the rules clear, a game that I'm not playing, you decide you have an epiphany and you're the best scum hunter in the world. Your play just magically got a lot better overnight? It was shitty in TMMM" My play was not shitty in TMMM at all It was much better than yours even Your shifty ass late day 1 vote looked soooo scummy, and I was actually trying to lynch a red team earlier in the day, something you prevented us from doing You really hurt the town that game, not me. It's not my fault that people don't know to listen to me yet. I'm sorry BM, I will provide my reasoning in the thread before I ever cast my vote, even if it is mostly just a placeholder before I go to bed. I'm sorry I broke your invisible rule of explaining myself in the thread before I go vote, even if I do explain myself within 5 minutes after I vote. You're not sorry, your play is. You should have stuck to trying to break the game. You also should realize that you need to give explanation before you vote after the RVS which was so rudely ended by A5J ( I think he's just a relatively inexperienced player ) abruptly and early. I am going to leave you alone for now, but realize that I will have my eye on you You are on my suspects list Bumatlarge is right. We need to put pressure on people who are good players and lurking. On July 02 2010 06:43 Korynne wrote: Uh, no it's not. If we find mafia, we still lynch them. When we don't find mafia, we lynch people we think are GF or inactive and not helping town. Ok, you're finally using your brain. We don't need a plan to draw out this game, though, we need a plan to draw out the GF. If we draw out this game then they can always restock on kill power (and get to THREE I THINK) which is terrible for us. Our Dreamcatcher loses their role if they are recruited, which is more likely the later the game goes. We lose KP and blue roles the later the game goes. The mafia don't lose KP. Your plan is still a crap shoot, and it feels like something Ace would try to do as mafia. I am not 100% you are scum, but if you keep going for this plan I will keep trying to lynch you. I really disagree that this plan will help the town. On July 02 2010 06:44 Korynne wrote: Right, so either way, you live. Good plan, good plan. What will it be later? BM: SORRY GUYS I'M ACTUALLY NOT THE GREATEST SCUM HUNTER THAT EVER LIVED, PLZ DONT KILL ME I'M TOWN, SRSLY!! you're funny. I actually have a plan on how we can win this game, but it doesn't involve math and wishful thinking. Sorry. Your plan is terrible for the town. On July 02 2010 06:25 Korynne wrote: I'm proposing a real plan. BM is shitting all over it with his spam like he does in every other game. He thinks that because he thought YellowInk is mafia in TMMM that now he's the greatest scum hunter that ever lived. I guess that means one in 8 random number generators is also the greatest scum hunter that ever lived. i'm shitting all over the thread? what color am i when i do that? how about you posting 4 times in a row? I'd consider that shitting all over the thread, too. You are a hypocrite. What "real plan" are you proposing? Let the mafia hit a high kill power? Why would you want that if you're not mafia? I'm proposing a real plan: Let's find the fucking godfather. | ||
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I would not be cool with it being L I would not be cool with it being chezinu I am not ok with it being YellowInk I am moderately cool with it being you I am not cool with it being bumatlarge I am not cool with it being DCLXVII I am not cool with it being myself I am not cool with it being Hesmyrr I am cool with it being youngminii if he doesn't post like he was earlier I am not cool with it being anyone outside of the game I am not cool with it being BrownBear, AcrossFiveJulys, Lakrismama, ElyAs, Rastaban, or thegilaboy. zeks? idk Divinek? Where has he been? Want to hear more from him. Let's just lynch Abenson. lol | ||
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On July 01 2010 14:53 L wrote: Well, 2 am = sleep time. BM, wut is this. I expect answers tomorrow mornin'. G'night. a wild L-dabeest appears | ||
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"People have thrown around Korynne, L, BM, and YellowInk as possible GF or mafia candidates. These guys are the 4 most active players in the thread," L has NOT been active until just now A lot of middle of the road players have also proven that they've failed to read my posts clearly. I called Korynne out on being a traitor like 7 pages ago or more. Get with the times. Her play could merely be her being excited at being a new, blue role. I'm not sure enough to lynch. A lot of my posts have also had a good deal of content, so drop the whole spammy shit. Also it's funny you're defending browney... is that your alt account? if it is, it's like flamewheel | ||
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On July 02 2010 09:53 L wrote: You say that, yet people failed to realize the same last game. Just sayin' bro, most people are bads. it's true. i'm not sayin' i'm good either, but at least i know how to read and be active. like earlier hesmyrr is trying to say i need to provide reasons for voting double lynch when i provided 3 if i was mafia, i wouldn't want to risk being an idiot, and i wouldn't want to act scummy. i would stick to 1 liners a lot more, and i sure as hell wouldn't vote double lynch. i figured that 10% chance of lynching the godfather is better than a 5%. 1/10 of essentially locking up a win day 2? not terrible odds. I figured it might be in line with a random lynch > a no lynch on day 1. Since all the policy and math people are disagreeing with me, I suppose I'm wrong on this. My 3rd reason I can't really remember, but I know I had one. I think it was something like "it'd be better to use them now than to not use them at all and perish as a town without having ever used them". Sort of like your qualms on mislynching multiple times. then I get brownbear claiming i'm spamming and worthless now, when i have been scumhunting more than anyone. | ||
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any detectives find the godfather? if someone rolechecked a townie what is their best option? they cannot pm them, so i'm assuming there is nothing for them to do but look for the godfather on the next night. i am pretty sure that we will have a few detectives. it would suck if the kid who just got modkilled was one of them. who are we going to lynch coming into day 2? korynne seems to be needing a replacement, so that is a good player slot to lynch. i am going to be putting my vote there somewhat because of this and somewhat as a placeholder in case something happens where i cannot change it. | ||
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On July 04 2010 13:38 youngminii wrote: DT can't check first night. Also, this post DOES seem a bit scummy. I don't really have any reasoning behind it so I'm just going to ignore this scummy vibe I'm getting. So... What now? dt cant check first night? i'm assuming we have multiple dts then. Hey, it's proof I'm not a detective LOL. my play is pretty scummy, i don't mean to do it. | ||
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On July 04 2010 15:16 youngminii wrote: @%I()M@%MU%($)Ty There's nothing WIFOMy about a mason claiming. You're making it out to be more than it is. is this a mason claim in itself? crazy text do i need a decoder for this? | ||
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On July 04 2010 15:21 Divinek wrote: it's ok bm we can be scum buddies no thx.. | ||
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On July 05 2010 07:52 youngminii wrote: So that if he dies, the other mason can step up and prove his masonhood by providing the key. Seriously, where have you been? this WOULD have been ok YESTERDAY. Now that there are 2 mafia? Fuck that. | ||
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Seriously, where have you been? | ||
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a) incompetent b) people who don't read the thread c) non-existent this leads one to believe that zeks COULD be mafia. it's too late to believe him, since he waited to post the key. NOW if we kill him, his mafia buddy (assuming he's mafia) could act as the other mason. Him waiting until now, and not doing it before the lynch, sealed the fate of L's plan not going into effect and YellowInk bein' proved right when he said zeks COULD be mafia. Hell, I'm one who BELIEVED him. I don't know how everything went with that, but he waited to the 2nd day to provide factual information with that key, so there is no way that I could believe someone who had the message that "key" provided. The fact that there's a "key" and a "website" that you need to use is almost proving to me that this is a scum-tactic employed by Chezinu. I am let in on his psyche a little bit having just been a pseudo-mason with him in that mafia game that was just run via f11 with the masonic teams. I can't prove anything, but it just makes me have FoS on zeks and chezinu for being potential scumbuddies. | ||
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On July 05 2010 09:18 Chezinu wrote: I wish I could pm you the answer I got. I decided to send the translation to Darth to reveal post-game to see whether it was right or not. But remember I shoot blanks a lot and I'm full of fluff. not as much this game... | ||
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To lynch on policy or to actually lynch someone who is scum... There is a difference in being scummy and scum. Abenson has actually been improving as a player, other than a misdeed here or a misdeed there. He reminds me of myself when I was his age + Show Spoiler + *LOL* I'm waiting to hear more from Ace and BloodyC0bbler. If they would get off of their IRC they might actually talk to us instead. I am saying this in all seriousness. They won't be sharing roles ( i don't think they do at least ), nor do I know if they talk about the setup, but I know they're friends. I'm sure they're talking, but i'm not sure if they're impeding upon the morality of the game. The fact that they aren't talking on here makes me believe that they honestly haven't been active. Ace is typically a chatterbox. BC is the one I'd be worried about more if he was Mafia. Ace would be if he made an off the wall play instead of playing straight forward like he did last game. I am worried about L, too, unless he is blue. Fairly certain he has a power role. The Mad Hatter might be better off getting himself lynched right now so that we can use his kill power (unless he has a bomb on me, in which case, what are you doing, you bloody idiot lol). If he hits the GF it would be huge. The goons or a traitor would be nice, but kinda gray. I would normally be against DT's claiming after getting a goon, but if you get one after this night it would help as it would not only take down their number but it would slow the growth of their KP which we need to keep going up as slowly as possible. I am fairly certain we have 2-3 DTs since they can't check night 1, they can be recruited, and we really need them in this imbalanced setup to even have a chance. the difference between 2 goons and 3 goons is one of ours dying in the night, is it not? That could be our detective... idk. The more information we have the more of an opportunity our hatter has. The Jailkeeper needs to continuously jail the person that they have already jailed. I'm assuming that they jailed zeks since he is a practically confirmed mason until there is a CC. Continue to jail zeks, ok? Roleblocker should go for a bigger name: Ace, BC, L, Chez, YellowInk | ||
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On July 04 2010 16:58 BrownBear wrote: Also, Korynne is leaving wut? And Coroner. Motherfucker. I voted for myself as a placeholder just in case of an emergency where I can't reach my computer. I'm working 17 hour days at the moment, so it's a possibility. Let's get some discussion going. To start out, Divinek: bumatlarge gf? Bumatlarge: Leaving and throwing random vote on Chez? Wtf? Generic comments Excuse for not being here and lurking Summary of last couple posts Plz explain, BrownBear... Lack of reading, or scumminess? You have proven to me earlier that you don't read every post. On July 05 2010 06:05 citi.zen wrote: I never thought Korynne was red, but you supposedly did, so I am curious: why the change of mind? has your analysis of Korynne changed, or do you view Ace as so much better than Korynne that keeping him alive is worth the extra risk? I did not ever think Korynne was red 100%. I remember having a suspicion of her being the traitor. I thought you were the coroner, though, so what do I know. Also, in response to the tail end of your question, yes, I do believe Ace is a good enough player to keep around in case he will help the town. Here's to hopin' he doesn't rolecheck some millers like that one game. On July 05 2010 07:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Just sifting through most of this thread, like to point out a few minor things as a newcomer into this game. L Is far less active than normal Citi.zen is less active than normal BM has made a few really odd plays (even for him) Between YI/BM/Korynne(ace now) one is highly like to be traitor, or just three people who can't agree. Will do something more concrete after work tonight, or if I can manage to get a well thought out post before it. au contraire we all had the same chance to be traitor as anyone else. :p I have 0% chance now. I'm not sold on YellowInk, though he did disrupt the mason claim. Wanting to hear more from Ace, but if he's the traitor, ooo wee lee dewyze. On July 05 2010 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, after talking to DTA he needs to update his OP with how dream catchers work. If a blue is recruited/or dies the dream catcher gets a random role. His OP states that it is only if a blue is recruited. So if Lakris' death post is truthful (ie hes not traitor/gf), we have to hope that a) there is another coroner or B) that whatever dream catcher (if we have one) hit that magical 1 in 6 chance of getting coroner. As such, any plans thought of from this point on should just ignore the possibilities of a coroner for now. Bleh what a fucked situation to walk into. I'd rather have a hatter or another detective personally. I would even take a roleblocker, jailkeeper, or Veteran over it. Coroner wouldn't be terrible, and it would help a LOT, but we can monitor the mafia's numbers via their KP. Even if they "withhold" a hit to mask their KP from us that is a benefit to us. On July 05 2010 08:11 Divinek wrote: ya you got me so pegged bro when i flip red im going to congratulate you on your excellent detective work What's funny is in this game, you might not be red now, but you can be later, and he might temporarily gloat about it if we notice mafia's KP going down.... or if we have another coroner! On July 05 2010 08:17 youngminii wrote: Do you still think Zeks is scum? Zeks is mason. There's like a 99% chance he is. There's absolutely no way the masons wouldn't have counterclaimed if Zeks wasn't mason. This has been argued a thousand times already. Now assuming Zeks is mason, which is 100% reasonable, the second mason can freely claim without fear of persecution because he has the ONE ONE KEY TO RULE THEM ALL. I can tell you why they wouldn't counterclaim. Perhaps they're a blue role. duh. He said he rolled on who was masons from the deck with the roles. Couldn't they be both blue roles and masons? Then it wouldn't help to just get the traitor or a goon if zeks is a goon. I'm not saying he's the Godfather, but this gambit wouldn't hurt scum if it's a goon or traitor necessarily. + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2010 12:33 DarthThienAn wrote: Side note cuz I know it will come up: Roles were given out randomly. Specifically, I took a deck of cards and designated X cards to be X roles, put in enough cards to equal 20, shuffled, etc. Then I took the signup list and put it into a randomizer (tournament style). Took that list top from bottom as my new 1-20. Started flipping cards and assigning roles chronologically with that new list. Shuffled 19 cards (no Godfather) with 2 sets of 2 designated cards for the Free Masons / Lovers. Repeated the flipping + assigning process. TL;DR - it were r4Nd0|\/|. On July 05 2010 08:41 youngminii wrote: Chez is right, BM your argument has massive flaws. 1. It has already been reasonably assumed that there are 2 masons by extrapolating the words of Darth. 2. What's wrong with using a key and a website? That's probably the most efficient way on encryption/decryption. 3. Why are you even blaming Chez? Is there some sort of meta I don't know about? 4. With all the confusion (some of which that was made by you, BM), I'm not surprised that Zeks posted the key on D2. Do you realise how hard it was for us to even decide who to roleblock? 5. Even an incompetent retard would know well enough to counter-claim. 6. The chances of having 2 inactive masons is astronomically low. 7. YellowInk, you and Divinek are running around in circles drowned in WIFOM and causing confusion. There is no need to cause so much confusion. Accept the fact that Zeks is mason and move on. Your posts and YellowInk's posts seem genuinely townie and confused. Divinek's posts seem scummy and they don't seem confused, they seem to be aimed at creating confusion. Hence, vote Divinek 1. Not as reasonable as you think if they can be both blue and mason... he probably is. 2. I hadn't heard of this until Chez, so I felt like he was the likely culprit. 3. see above^ 4. I don't believe I caused ANY confusion. Why slinging mud on me? My play has been squeaky clean. There shouldn't be a decision on who to roleblock. The roleblocker has a brain. 5. Like I've said, there would be instances where it wouldn't be smart to out yourself. 6. You must not have played on teamliquid before... quick day/night cycles bro 7. Give reference to this absurd claim, or shove it. + Show Spoiler + On July 05 2010 08:53 Chezinu wrote: !!!! I think I cracked zek's code! On July 05 2010 08:54 zeks wrote: what the fuck are you serious This whole spiel makes me suspicious as fuck of them being scum buddies. Zeks is inactive until chez tells him to post basically..... On July 05 2010 14:35 BrownBear wrote: I think BM is correct, but I also think that we're now entering the stage where the really really good players are going to start being recruited. Now that mafia has a couple players (and remember the GF can only recruit 5), the GF is probably going to want to add the best scum players possible. Take Ace, for example. Especially after his how-to-play-scum thread, I would be very surprised if the GF does not recruit him soon. We should probably take necessary precautions, unless Korynne was recruited already and he inherited that. Korynne was pushing a plan that would help scum in my eyes. Scum's power is to take away our blues and to gain KP. I like your post, and I agree that they will start recruiting the better players (if they haven't already) On July 05 2010 14:40 BrownBear wrote: On the flip side, what GF in their right mind would recruit Abenson? In normal games he's a liability for town, but in a recruitment game he might actually be an asset. yea.. it's the kinda WIFOM you can drown in. I'm drunk feelin'. On July 05 2010 14:52 youngminii wrote: Okay I just want to once again, strongly suggest that each and everyone of you go back and look over Divinek's posts. I'm sure you'll find his posts extremely scummy (at least starting Day 2). Now lynching Abenson is a policy lynch and I actually wouldn't mind if you guys chose to default to that, but I honestly believe there is a strong likelihood that Divinek is scum and that we should lynch him. We should stop dawdling around and actually start scumhunting. My scumdar was set off by Divinek and just because he says "lol im gonna laugh at u so hard when u find out im townie" does not mean he is a townie. In fact, that is one of the worst defenses you came come up with whether you are townie or scum. bingo. i agree with you. i also feel that way about bumatlarge. even if i'm arguing with you about zeks, minii, i believe you're town. not 100%, but pretty sure. going to get a player list and put my likely town down for now Player List: 1. Chezinu - Mild FoS. Tough to read. I read a power role. Detective perhaps. 2. BrownBear - Possibly a blue role. Possibly red. Definite power role imo. Blue/Red 3. YellowInk - Likely vanilla role from my perspective. Townie/Traitor/Goon 4. zeks - greenmason/red Mild FoS. Would like to see if he's actually a mason. 5. BloodyC0bbler - green/red TheGilaBoy struck me as townie, but possibly got recruited 6. Divinek - His play has been scummy, but he may not be scum. Goon/Townie 7. Bill Murray - green/red (i'm town now, but even I can be recruited later) 8. citi.zen - blue/red 9. L - blue/red 10. DCLXVI - no idea 11. Hesmyrr - green/blue 12. youngminii - green/blue 13. bumatlarge - green/red 14. Ace - townie/traitor 15. Abenson - blue/red 16. AcrossFiveJulys - blue/red 17. rastaban - green/red | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:26 BrownBear wrote: Job as a camp counselor. Working from 7 AM to 11 or midnight most days. Sometimes I just don't have the time to read everything, so I skim what doesn't look important. Sorry. Also, neither blue nor red. Green. eh, noone's perfect | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:27 youngminii wrote: Okay I can't really reference it but by confusion I mean all the arguments about Zeks and all the WIFOM going around etc. Which means I'm guilty of it too. Cool. But yeah since we have no one better to lynch (barring inactive policy lynching), gogo Divinek. divinek to me could just be the village idiot bumatlarge is much likelier scum in my eyes | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:28 youngminii wrote: Myeh I'm not seeing how Korynne's plan will totally benefit scum. I say this with absolutely no confidence. ok. say we roleblock and jail player A. player A is town. Scum kill 1 in the night, recruit one, kp raises to 2 player A lives we roleblock and jail player A. player A is town. Scum get blocked on their kill in the night, due to a number of potential reasons, recruit one, kp raises to 2 player A dies even if someone was jailed or if theres a rogue roleblocker.... doesnt seem fun for them we roleblock and jail player a. player a is town. scum forgo their kill, recruit in the night, kp raises to 2, guide our lynch, and we lynch player a for them so they get their night kill back while taking away our chance of even lynching the godfather at all 1/16 chance we chain-roleblock and jail the godfather, in which case i don't think it will even affect their killpower at all as it seems to me that goons and godfather are seperated i'm a poker player i like better odds than that furthermore, if we actually DO find a goon, and drag the game on... We have 16 players. We can be sure there are 2 mafia, 1 Godfather, and 1 Traitor in all likelihood. This makes it 12 vs 4 and already relatively imbalanced for them. Today: We mislynch. 11 vs 4 with 2 goons & 1 kp Tonight: mafia kill someone and recruit someone else. Tomorrow: 9 vs 5 with 3 goons & 2kp After Tomorrow Night: 6 vs 5 with 4 goons & 2kp. LyLo Fuck that plan, it lets them play the cards. It will enable them to gain KP For such a large theme game, they can REALLY hit their win condition fast. I'm not saying we didn't have a 5% chance of offing the GF and having 1 mafia, but then it'd be 5% followed by 5.26% which is slim to nil imo. We could use that 20th player slot we lost due to that browney kid not playing. 16 players left i think.. | ||
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if we roleblock a town, and they forgo a kill: player a is roleblocked, player a is town. mafia forgo their kill. People cry "this person is mafia!" the same they would is he was actually mafia, as the scum didn't send in a kill and essentially use their kill the next day and get more recruitment furthermore, if we roleblock a scum: player a is roleblocked. player a is scum with KP (12.5% likely.. assuming gf roleblock just blocks recruitment and not KP... i don't like 12.5% odds... I don't draw on gutshots often.) they don't kill someone in the night. People cry "this person is mafia!" the same they would if mafia didn't send in a kill on purpose. The fact that we roleblocked a goon doesn't mean they won't go up to 2 kp so it would be 11 v 4 (Counting GF and Traitor) assuming it's a goon and we lynch them say we roleblock another goon the next day... 13.3333% likely.... we lynch them... 10v4 still on the 3rd day even in the best case scenarios we lose numbers and they don't really lose numbers. I feel like this plan is continuously risking drawing out on the 6 or 7% that it takes to find the needle in the haystack. I'd much rather play it out straight forward than to muddy the waters this way. | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:46 youngminii wrote: Okay I almost failed my first year maths course so I'm just going to trust what you say. I don't understand why in your scenario the same person is being roleblocked and jailed. More than once too. Don't think it'll make a difference in that the plan is flawed. Well I didn't want to use the plan for multiple nights anyway, and did Korynne say why she wasn't going to be on? I don't remember seeing any "replace me, gotta go for a few days" posts by her. if you don't roleblock and jail them, they can be recruited, and it makes the whole argument invalid. you'd then have a "confirmed" recruited person which is risky business, tom cruise. | ||
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On July 05 2010 15:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Oh? I must have missed the common consensus of that agreement + I am seeing at least one person vehemently opposed to it. I will try to think of a better and more optimal plan if we must have one, but her idea is rocky at best in this setup. Combine in that if a roleblocker is recruited they become a mafia roleblocker, it is a rough role to rely on. Our best plan is a jailed detective doing safechecks, or people double jailing each other and preventing mafia kp on each other imo | ||
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I do not see any other way for us to win. If we roleclaim, the godfather has to either claim a blue role or a townie he will likely claim veteran or townie, in fact. hatter would be his safest claim in most setups in my opinion, but not in this one. in this one, hatter kinda wants to blow up quicker if he wants the town to win, so his "safest" claim is veteran. | ||
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We can't have a safehouse for our DT? Who says? With claims we can! If L is a jailkeeper and BC is a DT we can have BC staying on L's couch checkin up on the internet to see if YellowInk is money laundering. We could have a "veteran" claimer roleblocked if we have more than one vet claim! IMAGINE the POSSIBILITIES. Hatter putting bombs on "townies"? np. Veterans claiming Jailkeeper? NP NP. Dreamcatchers claiming when they get a role such as jailkeeper and detective? amazing. P.S. if you're the coroner say you're the traitor and laugh while linking to an article about Christopher Walken dancing on Broadway Claiming definitely pressures the Godfather through making him claim something he isn't. It would make him lie to exist, or lurk. Either one of them could potentially be dissected as scummy play. By pressuring him, we can kill him, and by killing him, we can eliminate that stupid ass recruitment factor. You have to cut the head off of the snake for it to quit growing in this sense. Roleclaiming in a limited factor, with certain roles still hiding (coroner, for instance), would possibly benefit the town through finding the godfather via a dt being kept alive or through having him make a mistake via the pressure. Roleclaiming will be more like actually fighting a war, using maelstrom and storm, as opposed to playing Russian Roulette. This is a GAME. It is meant to be FUN. Let's have fun and roleclaim together :p | ||
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On July 05 2010 16:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: IT could work except that you have to prove the DT before it works. You could theoretically have 4 people claim dt, and would basically have to choose who to believe to jail. A mass roleclaim can potentially lure people out, or put them in a hot spot to be caught, but without a coroner we are still screwed. (or we get really lucky lynch and notice mafia KP isn't rising). we might have 4 dts though lets hope none are paranoid or naive or whatever sucks | ||
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On July 05 2010 16:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok here is the jist of a general thought I have going. (this will hopefully defuse the use of a coroner for the most part.) All town aligned members claim their role on death in the way that lakris did. (note that GF, traitor and any mafia dead will lie) Now DT's this is important for you to note. Everytime someone claims, you mark it in your list. As it stands now, we can most likely agree that unless we got lucky last night we are sitting on 1 GF, 2 Mafia, 1 traitor. This is 4 anti town of our remaining 17, giving town aligned of 13. You know your own role. You also know the role of 1 other person to a 99%ish ratio. That means out of 17 players remaining, you now have a list of 15 to check, 14 after todays lynch. After every check you make a mark on your list of whos blue/green and red. Keep this in mind as people die and Claim a role, add it into your spreadsheet under a seperate column. If we have a coroner and you get lucky, a fair bit of your list will be filled accurately, then you can a) reveal what information you have which the town can then act on b) more accurately pin down red/gf I will now try to figure out some way to confirm a DT + keep them jail locked. I would hope that one mason is also somehow a DT as that would make life simpler. we have 17? i thought we had 16. One dude got MKed. I also don't think they could check night 1. other than that this is good advice and practice. thanks for the advice on using DT BC. | ||
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You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night, starting on Night 2, " | ||
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On July 05 2010 16:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: He makes no reference anywhere to sanity however I will be heading to bed soon, but I would strongly suggest people as they wake up to go look at the posts of people who have been semi lurking. With the 4th of july done and canada day done, we should be ignoring all excuses like "sorry social life called" as well, when you commit to a mafia game, you should be able to find some time in a day to play. I am keeping my vote on DCLXVI for now as out of every player in this game so far, he has rarely posted (at least to my memory) and seems to be rather under the radar. I endorse that sentiment. I feel as if he hasn't been doing anything at all. I hope he's our jailkeeper, if we have one, or our coroner, if we have a second one, and lakrismamma wasn't lying. | ||
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As a result, I do not see why you yourself are not pro-roleclaiming as your play is going towards | ||
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with our coroner dying we need this | ||
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lets pressure them into having to roleclaim townie or veteran. if they have the balls to claim veteran, hell, we get 50% likelihood. If all the mafia claim to be green, and we have 5-6 blue claims, then we have around 10 people to lynch out of. That makes it 10% to get the Godfather. If we have an extraordinarily high number of claims (like 3 hatters, lol) then we have 33% chance of hitting scum, and we don't really hurt our town KP. MUCH better than like 6% and a delay on finding your results every night, having to see your vig ( i know we dont have them, just a for instance) dying, and being demoralized. We need to come together and roleclaim and put pressure on the mafia. | ||
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Make is OBVIOUS to us green players too, so we can help you all put pressure on the mafia using our townie kp (the lynch!). You guys can jail the dts, roleblock big name players who have claimed in a group with an irregular number (like if 5 people claim dt). We need to do this NOW as opposed to later. Besides our blue roles actively lurking and acting obvious to the mafia (notice how they raped our coroner already), and us not getting our full use out of a coordinated town with ourselves split, we will be able to use innovative and cool strategies with claims. TL doesn't usually have a pro-town roleblocker, the jailkeeper, or w/e. We will be able to see new things with roleclaims. I wouldn't push an idea such as this, but we are fucked if we don't start going balls to the wall. By day 4 we are boned. We need to even vote on double lynch to be honest | ||
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On July 05 2010 17:07 youngminii wrote: If you think Korynne's plan gave too scum too much power, what are you doing considering mass roleclaim? Roleclaiming would only give scum complete and utter control of the game. They would know who's who and just pick off the most dangerous. It's uncalled for. Roleclaim in a dire situation such as lylo, not now. yeah, lets wait until all our medics die, and we dont have any tanks... THEN WE'LL STIM THAT'S SUCH A GOOD IDEA U GUYZ EVEN IF IM NOT PROVIDING ANY EVIDENCE AND CANT COUNTER THE MATH OF LYLO @ DAY4 ZOMG provide evidence as to why this is bad or a different plan ace and i are calling for a roleclaim | ||
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On July 05 2010 16:18 Bill Murray wrote: We are going to claim. This is gonna be cool. Claiming would help us coordinate the blues, would pressure the Godfather, and would just simply be more fun. We can't have a safehouse for our DT? Who says? With claims we can! If L is a jailkeeper and BC is a DT we can have BC staying on L's couch checkin up on the internet to see if YellowInk is money laundering. We could have a "veteran" claimer roleblocked if we have more than one vet claim! IMAGINE the POSSIBILITIES. Hatter putting bombs on "townies"? np. Veterans claiming Jailkeeper? NP NP. Dreamcatchers claiming when they get a role such as jailkeeper and detective? amazing. P.S. if you're the coroner say you're the traitor and laugh while linking to an article about Christopher Walken dancing on Broadway Claiming definitely pressures the Godfather through making him claim something he isn't. It would make him lie to exist, or lurk. Either one of them could potentially be dissected as scummy play. By pressuring him, we can kill him, and by killing him, we can eliminate that stupid ass recruitment factor. You have to cut the head off of the snake for it to quit growing in this sense. Roleclaiming in a limited factor, with certain roles still hiding (coroner, for instance), would possibly benefit the town through finding the godfather via a dt being kept alive or through having him make a mistake via the pressure. Roleclaiming will be more like actually fighting a war, using maelstrom and storm, as opposed to playing Russian Roulette. This is a GAME. It is meant to be FUN. Let's have fun and roleclaim together :p @youngminii: address this, and give me a way we can create a situation in which we have a 50% chance to lynch the godfather without a method such as this, please, then we'll talk. | ||
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On July 06 2010 01:43 YellowInk wrote: Alright, there has been a lot of poor thought process in this game, but this one takes the cake. If this were a normal game I would say lynch Bill Murray! But it isn't, so I'm not, read on... This is what you should be doing if you have a role. Since with Ace and BC entering the game there has been some renewed discussion, let me add some clarification to the idea of the 'modified Korynne plan'. The strength of Korynne's plan was that you could know who was being roleblocked without having to out the roleblocker. If you select 3 people and make the roleblockers block among them, you're getting the worst of both worlds. You're encouraging overlap between multiple roleblockers, and you're not getting the information of who was blocked. Roleblockers should stick to complete non-disclosure as indicated in the linked post above. To those who counter my hanging Abenson - I am not interested in hanging him because I think he's a likely recruit. I don't even care about hanging recruits right now! The godfather needs to be targeted first and foremost. The godfather needs to find a way to blend in. If Abenson is getting defended, then clearly his strategy is effective. Tomorrow will be the same - we're going to find someone who hasn't been contributing and hang them. Now back to our fine Bill Murray. He would be an excellent target for role blocking and mad hatter bomb laying. This is how we deal with people who are fresh recruits - not lynch! Lynches should be targeted at those whom you think are going to hit a godfather candidate and nowhere else until we get confirmation or choose to assume that the godfather is dead. Also note that just because Bill Murray is an excellent roleblock target doesn't mean that as a roleblocker you should definitely block him. With the state of the game, if I were a roleblocker, I'd probably put 30-60% on blocking him, 40-70% on blocking someone else of my choice. You always want to have some uncertainty in your decisions so that you can maximize your effectiveness since it is, of course, uncertain whether Bill Murray is red and whether there are other blockers besides yourself. Overlapping blocks on a town aligned or traitor BM is a significant loss for the town. I believe Abenson is still an excellent godfather candidate. Furthermore, if he is town aligned, we get the extra bonus of hanging someone who we won't be able to read should he be recruited in the future. I agree that Abenson would be an unlikely recruit for night 1 or 2, but night 4 or 5 if we're at each other's throats and he's still alive for some reason, he could be an excellent recruit. Regardless of if you agree with me about Abenson, you should choose your lynch based on who you think is likely to be godfather. While the choice of godfather was random, the players each choose their own play style to match their role. roleblock me and plant bombs on me? because i'm encouraging roleclaims? you make me sick. you are definitely a scum slot this game, or are at least acting like one. "overlapping blocks on a town aligned bm is a significant loss to the town" YA THINK? you're acting like a moron. You've been acting like a moron since your first few posts on day 1. Lets roleblock the guy who is trying to help the town and provide good ideas you're so smart yellowink i wish i could be as smart as you | ||
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"I cannot be sure that he is just an aggressive player normally, but this sort of play is not beneficial to the town. Trying to get everyone to reveal without the support of at least most of the town could force us into a bad position. Had other players posted their roles then the town might be forced into roleclaiming to protect the few who claimed. Even if he does think his plan is beneficial, it is dangerous to try to force that play especially without support." I disagree. I feel that if we don't have a roleclaim we're fucked. I might be wrong. On July 06 2010 07:34 youngminii wrote: DT definitely has higher priority than coroner. I agree at the LATEST we should roleclaim tomorrow, guys. DTs should be open with their findings. | ||
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On July 06 2010 08:32 citi.zen wrote: How can everyone completely ignore Chezinu? I mean... Abenson? Really? I can't help but laugh. Go read chezinu's posts this game before you vote... it's chezinu. who knows what he's up to. abenson's play feels weird to me. i don't mind this lynch. | ||
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hell, if you're dt, check me and confirm me for now too if you're jailer, jail someone repetitively. i'd jail someone like hesmyrr if i was jailer. if you're a roleblocker, try roleblocking abenson to see if L was lying | ||
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L basically roleclaimed detective, and his play is in line with his blue meta..... stfu. he claimed abenson's name backwards which means he was the detective, bro. wake up, and smell the coffee. if abenson is scum, and is roleblocked, they lose killpower roleblocker, block abenson we are NOT lynching him if mafia lose their KP. If they lose their KP we now have a roleblockable target. we keep him alive so we can roleblock him every night. | ||
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"If any mafia member is roleblocked, all mafia lose their killing power that night. " L claimed detective, put Abenson's name backwards Abenson has to be considered mafia therefore, we are roleblocking Abenson. Anyone who disputes this should be lynched. | ||
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Do we lynch him, and keep their numbers down, or do we keep him alive if our roleblock is successful for an easy roleblockable target? | ||
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On July 06 2010 16:34 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Do you even read the thread in between your nonsensical spamming? stfu kid get that personal vendetta shit out of here | ||
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On July 06 2010 16:37 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: It's no personal vendetta. Read your posts. Unfortunately, you've not done much besides confuse the town. at least i've made lengthy posts that have countered terrible plans go read my posts concerning how following the RB plan will lead to us constantly losing members and theirs staying the same (at 4... now 5 after tonight) or read about how in the free setup it feels like we're shifting towards we will be at 6v5 on day4 in lylo but noone wants to vote for double lynch.................................................. considering tomorrow is day 3 13 people 1 traitor, 1 gf, 3 goons after tonight 8v5 2kp tonight 6v5 tomorrow, and we don't have double lynch voted on, as i was the only one who realized we needed it unless we roleblock them it's lylo tomorrow time to roleclaim, like i've been saying for 5 pages | ||
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us having that modkill fucking hurts us bad if L was town | ||
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8v4 after the night's kill (if our roleblock fails) 7v4 if we mislynch in the day 5v5 with their recruitment and kp still pretty much lylo tomorrow even in the "good" scenario | ||
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On July 06 2010 16:43 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: so why don't you think the coroner action will go through? divinek is a liar imo i hope he's not, though. | ||
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that could just mean he's traitor. respond to my math | ||
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he wouldn't make a play like that as godfather. | ||
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On July 06 2010 23:09 citi.zen wrote: Yup, just ignore bm, as usual. Looking forward to the flip - finally some information . ignore me? more like ignore you your posts have been traitorous and shitty, and have provided about half the content i have get your head out of your ass, and you might understand the necessity of roleclaiming which i've been pushing (unless you're scum, which I wouldn't doubt, due to the way you've been playing) | ||
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On July 07 2010 05:11 BrownBear wrote: I actually think mass roleclaim is a good idea, YI, simply because of the numbers. Tomorrow, it will be 8 to 4 barring a very lucky roleblock. If we don't lynch a scum, when the next day rolls around, it will be 6 to 5. That's bad. Very bad. We need as much information as possible, and we need it right now. it could be even worse than that if they cap the hatter or if their kp is at 2... assuming it's at 1, though, as recruitment ends at the night regardless, it's roleclaiming time tomorrow as it will be lylo already (very fast for a large theme game) | ||
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On July 07 2010 05:25 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: and why are you so confident that none of the dead people are scum? L is probably scum, and if he is, as I've done the math for that (assuming it will be 2 goons which is asking for a lot) it ends up in lylo tomorrow with the exception of us having a crazy possibility... sort of like the possibility of algeria advancing needing help from us and england both losing... assume they're at 2 goons after tonight, with a traitor and gf, as in if L was a goon 9v4 then, not counting their hit 8v4 with the hit (and mind you, this is a decent scenario for us) if we mislynch it will be 7v4 going into the night, with a recruitment, and a hit 5v5 after the night = mafia win it's still lylo, and why i said "it's kinda like algeria needing help" if we mislynch and go into it at 7v4, we need them to fuck up to even survive, or they will be at 5v5 and we will lose. assuming L WASN'T a goon, at they're gonna be at 3 goons after the night: 7v5 tomorrow 6v5 with mislynch... same scenario except all they have to do is get either a) a hit or b) recruitment to even our numbers hence, we need to roleclaim madhatter, place your bombs on yellowink and citi.zen detective, snoop around Ace/BC and see if they're the godfather jailer, try jailing abenson | ||
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Him calling me out when I'm a townie and claiming townie which I do as townie in my meta is scummy as hell. He did so in his last post seen here: BM if I find out you are town this game I'm going to ::headdesk:: he then asks the town if there is "anything we need to discuss", which is a joke. I have taken the lead, and he is confused by it on how to win doing this as scum, so he is trying to divert attention away from me taking the lead by calling ME scum. It is really the opposite. He is scum, yellowink is going to be lynched tomorrow if I am killed in the night if yellowink isn't scum, and dies tonight, I have my eyes on ace or citi.zen | ||
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On July 07 2010 07:47 zeks wrote: All or nothing. Lets roleclaim. Force the issue on the mafia. I am still wondering why we didn't name claim earlier in HP mafia. fuck well, you all should have POWER CLAIMED at least. then you could know what everyone was capable of and lynched people who lied. i'm glad that you are pro-roleclaiming, and that there are other people for it as well: ace, divinek (since he claimed already) myself rastaban brownbear (iirc) ... i'm sure other people support this, too, if they are not idiots we are in a precarious position as it is. i am likely to be killed, since i am the voice of reason, and am trying to guide the town from the spotlight. YellowInk will probably have me offed so that he will be able to take my spotlight away | ||
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there will be 7 townies and 5 scum tomorrow it is lynch or lose if we do not get information, WE ARE NOT LYNCHING DIVINEK. HE IS A PAWN. WE ARE LYNCHING YELLOWINK. | ||
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I am the jailkeeper | ||
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YellowInk and YoungMinii are both mafia, 100% likely, and are forcing a mislynch since it's lynch or lose | ||
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if you are a detective, claim | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:16 Bill Murray wrote: We are roleclaiming I am the jailkeeper I'd also like to add I've jailed Hesmyrr 2 nights in a row | ||
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anyways, i know we don't just have 1 detective, so we need more claims | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:19 DCLXVI wrote: Well I was doubting youngminii for a while until citi.zen posted. So there should be 2 mafia left at the end of this day versus 10 of us. Do we wait to double lynch until our DT(s) have another night to investigate? not sure what to say about citi.zen saying BM is definitely town. I don't think that he would want to link himself to a recruit when he is so close to dying, but he did make that stupid statement. Does citi.zen normally play that badly? Would he be the type to think that he could help his recruit out of the situation or does he want us to kill a townie while he dies too? i doubt he is even the godfather | ||
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-> mislynch + night 9v4@tomorrow -> mislynch + night 5v5 - mafia win all this has done is increase lylo by a day | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:23 youngminii wrote: Lol okay in light of what just happened, I suggest the following strategy: We are fairly sure that I'm Detective and that citi.zen is GF. There is reasonable evidence that it is so. There is also the scumminess of BM's posts (why would he defend citi.zen after his blatant error?). He also tells DT to claim when I've already claimed. So, here's what I think. Jailer should jail me. I'll check BM. Roleblocker should block YI or some other person that people think is scum. That way, we can check BM and YI at once. I for one don't think YI is scum. I think BM might be scum. I think there's enough evidence to prove that I am really a DT and that citi.zen is a liar. I don't want to be roleblocked simply because that is wasting a DT check. i'll jail you i've been jailing hesmyrr, as i thought he was possibly blue | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:27 Chezinu wrote: but if you jail young, I can't place a bomb on him.. then ill jail citi.zen if that's your read is that your read, chez, because it IS mine. the fact citi.zen said "bm is TOWN" as opposed to "bm is a TOWNIE" makes me trust him some | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:29 BrownBear wrote: You are flailing so hard it's not even funny. You don't play this bad, BM. You are definitely scum. shut the fuck up brownbear, i'm a fucking jailkeeper | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:32 BrownBear wrote: Manner up and calm the fuck down. You are being a total asshole right now, and honestly, it's not called for. Take 5, walk away from the thread, then post a coherent defense post, longer than 1 line, and I'll listen. Until then, I'm going to just let you rage. you calm the fuck down kid | ||
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if you want to lose a jailkeeper, get me modkilled | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:31 DarthThienAn wrote: Bill Murray, less swearing please. oh, shit, sorry ill take 5 :\ | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:34 YellowInk wrote: I almost feel silly for doing this, but I don't want to see any accidental slip ups. Probably the last time I'll do this for a bit. We are not role claiming. too late im a jailkeeper | ||
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im going to get killed in the night 100% | ||
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you all are safe, as i will be targetted 100% i am our medic, after all and if NOONE COUNTERCLAIMS then im the only jailkeeper | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:39 YellowInk wrote: You're not going to get killed in the night 100% because the red knows we're going to lynch you for being red anyway. Besides, mafia rarely kill their own and certainly not in a 2vLots circumstance. dude, honestly, you're pissing me off if you are going to FALSELY CLAIM i'm red, at least claim some sort of evidence make a case on me ok kid? | ||
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before the night even ended, i said he was our lynch. i am the jailkeeper | ||
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YELLOWINK MAKES DIVINEK, AN IDIOT, "POP A CORONER" LOL YOUNGMINII, A RECENT RECRUIT, IS TOLD TO FAKE DT CITI.ZEN WE WILL NOT EVER HEAR IF HE WAS THE GF LYNCH YELLOWINK YOU GUYS | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The biggest issue with youngminii's claim is purely that its a mafia ploy to keep town away from hitting the real GF. Citizen has pretty clearly scum based off his lie. The situation is pretty clear Youngminii is one of the following A) legit and checked citizen, he flipped gf B) mafia scum and is trying to build credibility by sacrificing a comrade C) GF and sacrificing a goon to build credibility There is nothing else to it. Option A) is insanely likely, with a small chance of B or C. Also, double lynch at this point is only reasonable if we all agree on likely red targets. However, if citizen is indeed the GF, then the double lynches aren't needed. Off citizen, then lynch whoever is the most likely to be red tommorrow, then repeat. No. No. NO. WE LYNCH YELLOWINK GO RIGHT TO THE SOURCE. CUT OFF THE HEAD. | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:27 Divinek wrote: he didnt make me do anything, i had to do it cause i was gonna die without being able to use my ability god you're bad at everything You MAY think I'm "BAD", but that doesn't mean anything. My play is improving, believe it or not. bc just said the same thing, divinek. sorry i insulted you, bro, but they used you for this plan. it's actually a good plan, i would have fallen for it too bro. you are a confirmed blue, i am a blue too. let's NOT FIGHT. ok? | ||
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On July 07 2010 08:19 Bill Murray wrote: to reiterate: there are likely only around 9 townies and 4 scum there will be 7 townies and 5 scum tomorrow it is lynch or lose if we do not get information, WE ARE NOT LYNCHING DIVINEK. HE IS A PAWN. WE ARE LYNCHING YELLOWINK. | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:31 zeks wrote: ^ wtf when did I even talk about Abenson quote me on it Why are we unvoting double lynch everyone vote double lynch please kthx WHO SHOULD WE DOUBLE LYNCH THEN? YOU ALL WOULD MISLYNCH ON ME ... WAIT, NO, I'LL DIE TOMORROW NIGHT LOL FUCK I SHOULDNT HAVE CLAIMED JAILKEEPER NOW IM GONNA SOAK A HIT | ||
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I ask for the mad hatter to kindly not bomb me, as I am really blue. Why would I want to push a mass roleclam as a townie? I wouldn't do that. As townie, I just shift unnecessary and made up allegations at EVERYONE lol and try to "fish" for information. I am a pisces. as blue, i am a little more concise and serious. a little, mind you. i am blue this game. i am the jailkeeper. i have been jailing hesmyrr i have said i am not going to jail hesmyrr, and the mafia cannot know who i jail tho i am going to jail on of the following: hesmyrr citi.zen chezinu youngminii | ||
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that means they're going to kill me tonight if you are the other jailkeeper (i doubt we have one) then PLEASE TELL ME RIGHT NOW we can jail each other. otherwise, i'm following my above plan | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:40 youngminii wrote: Well citi.zen's gonna be lynched so there's no point jailing him. You should jail me as I'm DT, duhh no. you are mafia with yellowink and possibly citi.zen | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:42 zeks wrote: i trust youngminii and lynch on citi.zen its a 100% flip wtf if he lies we use a double lynch on him but i dont see why he'd lie if youngminii is a recruit why would he stick his boss out thats retarded there is no rationale of leaving a GF alive then we'll double lynch both YI and BM and we'll have peace yeah lynch our jailkeeper when i can be confirmed... that's smart. | ||
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I put myself out there as a townie with my anti nuke to save what i thought to be a blue i think citi.zen is blue, i trust my reads. i hope he really is the godfather, though, as yellowink has set his pack of wolves onto him and pulled the wool over your eyes i repeat i jailed hesmyrr 2 nights in a row. | ||
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thanks for confirming we have another jailer and that i am one gg | ||
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implied. | ||
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until someone counterclaims you will treat me as the jailer who is going to die tonight or be recruited | ||
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sorry to be so brash, guys, i love you all. | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:53 Chezinu wrote: Is the other jailer a dreamer? Yes. (i started as one) | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:57 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: LOLOLOL How did you jail Hesmyrr twice then? ? i started as one. are you dumb? | ||
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On July 07 2010 14:04 zeks wrote: citi.zen must be gf desperate but pathetic attempt to save him from BM - knew if GF died it'd be over um... 10v3 with 3 mafia.... uhhhhhhhhhh that's pretty good odds for mafia buddy why would i out myself? im trying to lend the town a different perspective. scummy=/=scum i am a scummy player i am not scum i am a power role, specifically, our jailkeeper. | ||
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if this is the case, definitely put a bomb on me, i'm a prime candidate for a night hit I do not need any more roleclaiming. I have 2 claimed detectives with which I can pick one to jail or continue to jail hesmyrr. unless chezinu wants to be jailed | ||
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On July 07 2010 11:43 citi.zen wrote: Not surprised at all. I told you fake claiming becomes a dominant strategy. The worst that can happen is you lose a goon, but the GF lives. Aka town lost tomorrow. I sort of don't get why me, but that's OK too. Was it that I ruined the lynching of the lovers? Was I too quiet this game? W/e, gg town - you can't win now. BTW - bm really is town, checked tonight. I checked L the other night. this to me screams detective notice how he said "TOWN" and not "TOWNIE"? | ||
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Not surprised at all. I told you fake claiming becomes a dominant strategy. The worst that can happen is you lose a goon, but the GF lives. Aka town lost tomorrow. I sort of don't get why me, but that's OK too. Was it that I ruined the lynching of the lovers? Was I too quiet this game? W/e, gg town - you can't win now. BTW - bm really is town, checked tonight. I checked L the other night." he can safely say i'm town because he KNOWS i'm town. I don't see why I didn't see it just based upon him being able to say "BM IS TOWN" without saying "bm probably is town" like I say Hesmyrr probably is town because I jailed him twice.. he can be recruited tho i am going to jail youngminii... | ||
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On July 07 2010 15:18 DCLXVI wrote: It took almost 10 pages of us telling you he lied and how for you to figure it out? I don't buy that, surely you can't be that oblivious. I brought up the point about C. calling you town about 8 pages ago, which all depends on his playstyle. The argument against you now is the fact that you spent 10 pages yelling and pointing fingers in all directions while ignoring what everyone else was posting. i don't always read what you type, admittedly | ||
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if you look back on prior pages, across5julys had to correct me on the lack of a night 1 check. it's just very awkward, and i'm not ever going to get use to that, so you all will continue having to correct me. the better players, ver, qatol, probably even incognito really love the mad hatter role, but criticize the way it is used. I hope it is in the hands of someone like Chezinu who has the ability to actually find reds. Otherwise, it is likely that the idiot hatter will be taking at least one blue out with him if he has a bomb on me. If you DO have a bomb on me, I advise moving it. My claiming was not to disrupt town. I am a veteran. I was looking to soak a hit from claiming jailkeeper. I feel safe claiming veteran now that we know who the godfather is (assuming youngminii isn't lying) | ||
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if im townie, which should i claim? jailkeeper if i'm jailkeeper, which should i claim? if im veteran, which should i claim? jailkeeper | ||
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let's move on to who would be good targets to lynch after citi.zen i can't believe i missed him claiming 2 detections lol | ||
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if you are scum, quote them if you are not scum, and are playing for the town, take my word and don't quote them | ||
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On July 08 2010 05:51 Hesmyrr wrote: No, you are fail and Furthermore, this was not a gambit at all. I have very good ideas for the town from this perspective. More on that later. | ||
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i just was feeling like yellowink might be red, forcing a mislynch, and should have taken everything on face value. I didn't read yellowink's spoilered post, but i don't feel I have to. I am NOT stifling discussion, as he is the one doing that. He doesn't even really understand how he does that, but simply when you try to force someone like myself to play a seperate way, it does that. I don't care how you all play. Play however you want. The only person who has been stifling discussion has been citi.zen for making such a huge mistake. I CREATED discussion by being an idiot and misinterpreting something that had happened while I was away. Sorry, guys. I am going to go forward in this game and do my best to help the town. I am going to question YellowInk and YoungMinii less about this past incident, as we can put the past behind us where it should be. It is not good to dwell on that, anyways. What we need to do going forward is simple. Let's play safe. Any detective other than YoungMinii, assuming we have 1 more, shouldn't come forward. Any jailkeeper out there shouldn't come forward. Chezinu is going to be a target for us possibly to save the game. we HAVE to vote double lynch tomorrow. | ||
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i have no connection with citi.zen whatsoever, and am actually voting him. i wanted to lynch yellowink before all of this happened, as i had found his play scummy this game. i'm sorry that i like to be in the spotlight, but i am not scum, so quit saying that i am and that i "need to be punished" or something because you are trying to push a policy lynch when we haven't even gone through to the night yet. and with that I'M being told I'm "stifling discussion"? you all are the ones pushing a policy lynch on a pro-town player! | ||
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"You say you're a scummy player, then you say you're a pro-town player. This contradicts." No, it does not. I said I'm scummy, NOT scum. Open your mind up YI. If you're going to play scummy (which is a valid playstyle), it will have certain repercussions. Double talk like this won't help your case, though. Your play style is not pro town even if you are town aligned. FUNNY THAT YOU JUST IMPLIED I'M TOWN ALIGNED. YellowInk just did that in the above post which I quoted for you all. This is scummy. It is scummy because he knows i'm town-aligned because he has a list of who is mafia got my FoS on you because of this, bro. "You had just gotten done saying that using citi.zen's info was WIFOM, now you're using it to defend yourself. This is scummy play. Not the good kind of scummy play that draws scum out to jump on you. The bad scummy play that just makes you look bad to everyone. There are many more examples like this throughout your thread." the entire case on me IS wifom. It's fabricated, probably by scum. These two quotes you quoted before saying this are both applicable. Citi.Zen and I have been bickering all game. I have been calling his play terrible and traitorous much like I have yours. I'm not worried about next game, BRA, i'm worried about this one. You're not going to sway the town against the one person who feels like he is honestly trying to save it. | ||
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On July 08 2010 11:35 youngminii wrote: He's a Jester, bastard modding at its finest. if i was the jester it would be an auto-win for me everygame | ||
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On July 08 2010 05:45 Bill Murray wrote: ##vote citi.zen we need to use our double lynch soon I voted citi.zen after seeing he claimed 2 dt checks with 1 checkable night I simply missed that | ||
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A5J might be a good lynch with me tomorrow, assuming you all are going to lynch me. I don't mind. I won't be lynched. You want to know why? YellowInk wants me dead. | ||
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I'm jailing Hesmyrr tonight. | ||
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On July 08 2010 15:30 YellowInk wrote: Since BM is so good at posting spam that this has been buried under 7 pages of uselessness in the last day, I'm going to leave this here on top. Nothing has changed from this in discussion except I believe Hesmyrr would rather see roleblocks go to BM and a coroner to claim and pop. I disagree with this and still believe the above plan holds to be the best. you know, you're spamming a lot too, bro. hypocrite. | ||
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hope mafia doesnt recruit yellowink if he isn't recruited already | ||
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i've sent my jailtarget, i am not saying who it is. i am not an idiot, and i am trusting who is town on their word... so maybe i am an idiot. mad hatters, i would suggest: yellowink myself (i might get hit tonight.. and if you die too... i don't know. maybe you'll take a mafia with me.) chezinu (i think he's the other mad hatter, and he has good judgment.) i guess i am the medic, being a jailkeeper, but i hope there is another one that hasn't been recruited that could save me so we could win by an even higher margin hopefully (in the scenario where we have two jailers we might be able to save people's lives from mafia hits). If we have another roleblocker, which i highly doubt, roleblock someone who you think has been recruited. I'd say BloodyC0bbler personally. It is not likely to be good to do it to hesmyrr, though that might not be bad, as he is likely town. Veterans make claims on being the other jailkeeper, or a detective, and try to soak a hit. Let's wrap this game up for the town, folks. good game we as a town kindly offer a re-game to you scummy people | ||
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On July 09 2010 17:21 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Actually, scratch that, don't jail youngminii because then won't be able to use his check. Either protect someone random or zeks, I'd say. Mafia will want to eliminate zeks at some point, since if he is kept around he's going to be very valuable to us for the remainder of the game since he'll always be a confirmed townie. are you dumb? of course he'd be able to use his check. jailkeeping isn't roleblocking. also, if you have a protective role, please protect me otherwise, i'm going to be dying. | ||
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hesmyrr is likely town, as i've jailed him twice. | ||
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On July 09 2010 20:19 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: You really think he's town? really? -.- he's either mafia and playing WIFOM with us posting like an idiot on purpose and making us think "hey, he wouldn't be posting THAT scummy if he were mafia, would he?", or he's mafia and just bad at not looking scummy. he's done nothing to help the town, in fact he's hurt us by confusing us and derailing useful discussion many many times. you haven't done SHIT. At least I've made some posts highlighting win conditions and advice to blues you've been fucking trolling the entire game. | ||
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this will not be 100% on their alignment, as everything changes if i die, remember me chezinu | ||
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Possible early recruit: 2. BrownBear 3. YellowInk | ||
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i was trying to get people to use doublelynches and realize it could be lylo or a scenario where we "need help" from power roles. alas, if so, memento mori. i would also apologize for my silliness to the rest of the town. i will try my best to play better and less scummy to impart my ideas to you all! it's just hard for me if you all don't believe me. if we had lylo or w/e, gg. well played wish the town would have rallied behind me. thanks yellowink | ||
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9v3.... not great i'll probably be hit, though, so there goes the jailkeeper i'm going to reiterate, i'll be forward-posting the name of the person i protected i will be protecting yellowink hesmyrr youngminii chezinu BC one of these so if youre a jailkeeper, jail m e or someone else plz. thanks. u also better change ur night action quick if ur doin one of these. | ||
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On July 10 2010 16:03 DarthThienAn wrote: Hey guys. =X My bad. Forgot, time zones and all. Uhh. Abenson is now dead Divinek is now dead Day 4 gogo 2 kills? night 0 .. lets assume recruited L night 1... 1 goon night 2... 2 goons night 3... recruited -> 3 goons this makes no sense to me as to why they would have the KP they do, and LOGICALLY there is either a townie KP role (night vig type shit/Hatter in effect), or we mislynched on citi.zen which makes it lylo. if someone used their night vig, please speak up | ||
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yellowink first, please, then we can vote doublelynch and lynch youngminii and someone we can hopefully find out to be mafia... unless ... well no, i don't see any unlesses. assuming citi.zen is GF and L is a recruitment we can scratch off (which he is, since he's dead) [s] night 1 night 2 night 3 - this just happened, and wouldn't count towards their KP, so they SHOULD have only killed 1 person. Alternate scenario, for shits and giggles: Abenson was a dreamcatcher, caught mad hatter, and only had time to place one bomb (on divinek, who he felt could have been recruited) | ||
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thank god i have to fear for the worst for the town, sorry youngminii lol | ||
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so... they're both town... and divinek was lover AND coroner/dreamcatcher that must have been cool. ABENSON: claim role in thread, unless you're VT, then give us a suspect! | ||
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Night 1 recruitment: ? Night 2 recruitment: ? Night 3 recruitment: ? Player List: Scummy/Lynchable: BloodyC0bbler - where the hell has he been? DCLXVI - lurking and inactive or unnoticeable for me AcrossFiveJulys - has been attacking me all game, and more scummy recently rastaban - hasn't done anything pro-town since day 1 Neutral: BrownBear - has been a little bit scummier lately, but maybe town Chezinu - too crazy to get a read on, but i don't want to lynch him Kinda innocent: zeks - mason with someone, likely A5J or Chezinu YellowInk - very pro-town play, other than his hatin' on me BrownBear - has been a little bit scummier lately, but probably town Likely innocents: Bill Murray - I'm the damn jailer, son Hesmyrr - Jailed him 2 nights in a row youngminii - Jailed him last night, and he DT checked me I am not ready to lynch A5J or pressure him in case he's the mason, so that leaves BC, DCLXVI, or rastaban in my opinion to lynch today. | ||
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10v2 then? seems like we got this in the bag. probably shouldn't doublelynch then | ||
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yellowink/brownbear/chezinu/bc are the only people i could see him recruiting cross-reference this with my assessment of everyone, and BC is the one on both lists therefore, i am voting bloodyc0bbler, but not double-lynch. | ||
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i will unvote for now, and let everyone else decide on this. i am by no means the sole brain | ||
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i am playing perfectly. you are getting my vote for this previous, scummy post also, your scenario 1 is wrong "90%) youngminii is a DT and we hung citi.zen the godfather, leaving us up against up to 2 goons" jailkeeper + roleblocker = chance of their being only 1 goon. get your facts straight. | ||
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On July 10 2010 18:09 youngminii wrote: You spelled my name wrong While I'm not ruling out BC as a townie, I'm not convinced he's scum and I think there are other people that we should concentrate on, namely BM's four. The best play on scum's end would be to get rid of the DT (ie. me). Scum knows that I'm DT but they also know they can't touch me because of the jailing. The only way they can get rid of me for now is to sacrifice their KP for two nights. Hence my suspicions lead me to YI. He's the one who suggested/pushed forward the idea to roleblock me. As scum, he knows I am a DT and the best way to neutralize my ability is to roleblock me, knowing that he can't touch me otherwise. Sacrificing KP is a major blow to scum so instead of that, blocking me is the best option. Now I would have liked to see what his reaction would have been after finding out I was roleblocked (maybe I should've faked it) but since that's too late, there's no other place for me to lay my accusations. So if we end up lynching someone other than YI (like BB) then my check will go to YI tonight. perfect. i'm jailing you again, so you won't be recruited if you aren't already. | ||
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On July 10 2010 18:47 Chezinu wrote: I think the other mason should claim to confirm my decoding ability and to narrow down our suspect list. you said it was a5j, but i'm assuming you are it and are asking for a claim as to derail suspicion from yourself in that regard. i don't really think that it is important, but it couldn't really hurt/help much right now. i doubt a mason would be killed over a jailkeeper or a detective that are out in the open, so it would probably be safe for zeks to tell us or for them to say so. i don't care either way. them being the other mason is NOT confirmable, is it? they could have been recruited+roleblocked. | ||
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On July 06 2010 10:08 Chezinu wrote: I'll save you! oh and as for roleclaiming: + Show Spoiler + I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the this town's dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all roles are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Mafia the sons of former blues and the sons of former greens will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the red state, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my followers will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their role but by the content of their character. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day the state of blue, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little red roles and blue roles will be able to join hands with green roles and walk together as one. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. rofl. you claimed dreamcatcher and i didnt CATCH it. | ||
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On July 05 2010 01:52 citi.zen wrote: It would make sense to have a second coroner, but that still only gives us a short window into who got killed. I don't see how we can win this without getting exceptionally lucky. I will vote for Chez next. His 12 player suspect list serves no purpose but to try to shift attention from himself - I see no reason not to include his name on that list. Then he tells the mafia to fake claim but to be sure not to kill him. He always plays crazy, but I'd feel like a moron if I ignored his behavior based on that. | ||
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On July 03 2010 09:58 L wrote: I'm not going to get modkilled, calm down. Work ends at 7EST, takes me between an hour or two to get home. LOL | ||
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On July 05 2010 10:53 citi.zen wrote: Ps: nice touch crossing out lakrismamma. One down, go team! this is what you're referring to from your fishing? if so, gj. Also, it's cool you detailed your strategy out here: On July 04 2010 17:09 Chezinu wrote: Remember: If you are a recruit, you need to act as scummy as possible to get yourself killed so that you can take a hit for the godfather.. but since town now knows this, you must act as the godfather! oh wait a minute.. Didn't I say a lot of townies will act like GF this game? Did I not say that we shouldn't act crazy and use code as a secret form of communication? wish i would have picked up on what you were doing sooner. very creative play. | ||
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what made you take off bumatlarge, korynne (ace replacing?), a5j (mason?), and brownbear when you went from 13->9? or 12->8 if you count lakrismamma's striped name off. funny seeing it go from 1/12 and less than 10% to 1/5 @ 20% on citi.zen from your list. would you go through your thought process on creating that? it seems amazing to me you were able to pinpoint so well | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + " On July 06 2010 09:12 Divinek wrote: "why dont you claim first bro rofl jk since there's no other way im going to be able to use my ability im coroner and abenson is my townie lover, so i dont know if that'll be enough to save us so i can atleast pop my check this night but at this point i dont think me and him have any other option if we want to stay alive i repeat im coroner and abenson is my lover so we both need to stay alive so i can pop tonight i figured i really didnt want to claim but you guys want to really kill either me or him and i dont want another coroner wasted so there you have it as for my guess for GF? im saying bumatlarge cause he hasnt posted much at all lately | ||
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On July 10 2010 19:41 Chezinu wrote: Are you asking to get lynched? Early game you supported stating the obvious. I supported stating the obvious this game since it was a new setup - I made this known earlier in the thread. yea. i wasn't sure if i wanted to lynch you until now. re-voting you. don't care if you're mafia or not. On July 11 2010 02:32 YellowInk wrote: Please state your suspicions rather than voting without reason. How am I to defend myself against such an accusation? It's not that you're guilty or innocent, it's that you're being a troll and are our lynch target sorry | ||
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" Also, BM - you were right, I was wrong. I'm willing to believe you are town, and I'm sorry. @ BrownBear: what are you sorry for, not being town? | ||
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]"Provide content, provide reasons, provide evidence, make a good case against me. Then I will counter and perhaps be convinced you are not scum." He doesn't have to do that at all. Just the feel of your posts this game feel like you believe that the town needs evidence to lynch someone who isn't providing any. We don't. Your world of policy is not constructive towards town play, and gets people lynched for the wrong reasons. That's why people hate the way that I play, because I encourage craziness which, believe it or not, if tolerated, is pro-town. When you get into policy-lynching over "VI" players (village idiots) like myself, abenson... johnnyspazz? i don't know who else. It's different person to person because everyone has different opinions, it really stifles the ability to properly get scum to flail and squirm because you are focusing more on "bad posters" and why someone is doing what they're doing, when to properly be town, and for this website to be better at being town, people need to focus on WHAT they're doing. I am not 100% you are scum, my gut tells me you are, which is good enough for me. I am hesitant to really lynch anyone at this point, as everyone is so likely town, though. I would not mind lynching someone who is more inactive and trying to hide, though. DCLXVI would be a good target in that regard | ||
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Semi-confirmed: Bill Murray youngminii zeks Hesmyrr the likely other mason: A5J confirmed by behavior in my eyes: BC YellowInk BrownBear Chezinu The person we are putting pressure on next: rastaban | ||
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This means that if BM really is jailkeep and jailed Hesmyrr night 1 and 2, Hesmyrr is clear. | ||
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this is assuming that i wasnt jailed in relation to being recruited, and that on n1, n2, or whatever nights he has been recruiting, that he wasnt roleblocked and his target wasnt jailed. you are not taking every variable into consideration here | ||
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On July 12 2010 02:25 YellowInk wrote: Sure. We lynch rastaban, who for whatever reason never trusted youngminii/BM despite it being our best route for victory. He had his bombs on youngminii and BM who then immediately die. Town can definitely lose from this kind of position. This is an extreme example, but there are other similar examples that can be made. This is also not a commentary on rastaban's choices or thoughts, just giving an example of someone who might get lynched since the town can't seem to settle on someone to hang. this post, regardless of whether or not he's "just using rastaban as an example" makes me want to lynch them both | ||
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i am going to have zeks lynched if he doesn't claim who the other mason is BC: i disagree again on whether or not the GF being alive = auto-win. He could literally be the only mafia if shit happened during the night to prevent his recruitments. Unlikely? Yes. Impossible? No. Nothing really to argue here. I agree with you, and I understand you were saying it is pointless to talk about that, but I will always account for possibilities if I realize them. i like the way brownbear, hesmyrr, youngminii, bc, chezinu, myself, and zeks have been acting. zeks less than the others because there is no fucking point in not disclosing who his partner is because the mafia will want to kill/recruit me/youngminii assuming youngminii isn't lying/mafia. i know i'm not. yellowink, get the fuck over how i post. | ||
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On July 14 2010 00:55 YellowInk wrote: Mafia got incredibly unlucky here. If the GF can stay under the radar till day 5 or so, it's practically unwinnable for town with the number of blues we had. This is why I was convinced we had at least two roleblockers - how can you honestly expect the GF to be found by the midgame? You need some way to draw the game out and have a reasonable chance for a town win without finding the GF in the early game. This kind of setup is just really swingy. Since mafia hadn't conceded and BM being ridiculous, when I was lynched I was convinced youngminii was mafia. I figured we were looking at a mafia victory. With all the lying that was going on in the town, I don't see how we could have won without the streak of luck even if it were a level game. Since most of you wouldn't tell me in thread, I'm curious what convinced you guys I was mafia? noone was convinced you were mafia we just wanted you to shut up | ||
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" Rofl, I just saw my post where I refute Bill Murray for saying "i'd jail someone like hesmyrr if i was jailer." That partial breadcrumbing was really dangerous looking at it now. Citi.zen knew the recruitment did not work against me for some reason, meaning either: 1) I was jailed, 2) I am the second mason. Bill Murray actively saying he would jail Hesmyrr should have told him that BM is likely jailer, making him ripe recruitment target. Either way it really didn't matter as youngminii checked citi.zen successfully, he would never get chance to recruit ever again." i did this in case someone did a coroner action in the night and saw i was jailkeeper. they could then see "well, he said he'd jail hesmyrr, so he probably did" if they wanted to read my posts after i died. | ||
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