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Yay!! People actually payed attention to my epic invention idea!! =D
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On May 05 2010 08:27 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: I have a slightly different stance: Do not claim unless you have something to contribute. My claim told us that the copycat is likely in mafia hands (or at least a townie working against the town). Korynne's claim was important too because it told us that someone in the first 2 players is playing against the town. Just giving us your role isn't important or useful. You need to be able to give the town important information by roleclaiming.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance. At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered. I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him. Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: Your plan for voting on CompVig kills is solid, except I think we should be doing it during the night. Often the lynch gives information. I'd rather make that kill when I'm as informed as possible. As you said earlier, Korynne probably tried to take CompVig. It was the role we assigned to her. I would be very surprised if she tried to take anything else. This means that CompVig is somewhere in the first 2 roles. I'm more worried that Inventor slipped. I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day. And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: On May 04 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I have just been informed I would have to only give my newspaper to one person. I had considered this, and as a result I will be inventing someone else like a gun to give someone. I am not 100% sure what it will be yet.
Okay, Bill has just confirmed that he has taken inventor. I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: 2 things of note: 1. The invention of a cell phone. This does NOT confirm Bill Murray's innocence yet. There is still a mafia use for a cell phone. Cell phones are frequently used to detonate bombs. If we start seeing bombs given out, then the inventor (probably not Bill) is mafia. Otherwise, the inventor (Bill) is innocent. This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: How about we day vigi Sidesprang and then look at lynching Foolishness? That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:54 Qatol wrote: Oh another thing I want to know: was anyone roleblocked last night? We need to know if there is a roleblocker out there. Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point. You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: Falcynn seems scummiest to me.
The compusive vig is interesting because people really want to see what happens with it, but why I can't say. If the mafia has CV as well as day vig that's a lot of KP that's going to be pointed our way. I also don't really see how the CV is that beneficial to the town. Sure, it's like a double lynch, but this isn't a big game and the mafia KP is very small. Why is it good to double-lynch all the time? Better than having it in mafia hands, I guess, but I don't see it as that good a thing.
I do like having a CV-directing discussion because there's also a serial killer out there as well. The thing about the serial killer is that he wants to help town until the very end. Perhaps he'll start targeting townies if we get a few mafia really early, but that's the only reason why he'd try and kill town (unless the tracker is discovered). He'll lose if the mafia win, so he needs to kill mafia, and he needs to kill them first. We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia). Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: I don't see how killing Sidesprang gives any great information. If he flips green then someone in the top ten is lying? Yeah, I could have told you that without lynching him, since I can tell you that right now. Multiple people in the top ten are lying, all the vanilla claims should have made that obvious.
While looking at the numbers is interesting and all, talking about mafia taking the same numbers and the like is silly. It's especially silly as a defense. People could, y'know, be lying about their numbers.
All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted. If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: Bill never explained what that phone was supposed to do, did he? Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right? Why have you been talking about comp vig in the third person...If korynne picked at comp vig and got plain townie...either you or bill picked it.
Johnnyspazz does seem suspicious...but not everyone comments on every plan...
Hell, ask citizen, I pm'd him either before/after the game started (not sure at the time, and didn't mean to but I got dupe'd). I sent him 4, BEFORE I even understood we had to pick two numbers. Sorry I've been busy for a lil while, but damn. Didn't have time to read all the plans before the game began, and I sent Ace both numbers (citizen told me I needed two numbers actually...-________-)
Dunno...Sorry for the fuck up, but bleh....Goes as far as I can to clarify I didn't read the thread to hard then or the OP...I mixed up who was assisting the host. I can even direct you to the post that dupe'd me.
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On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote:Foolishness, let me address your post in pieces: Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 08:27 Foolishness wrote:On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: I have a slightly different stance: Do not claim unless you have something to contribute. My claim told us that the copycat is likely in mafia hands (or at least a townie working against the town). Korynne's claim was important too because it told us that someone in the first 2 players is playing against the town. Just giving us your role isn't important or useful. You need to be able to give the town important information by roleclaiming.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance. At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered. Yay another person trying to "subtly" poke holes in my credibility. Having fun over there with your buddy ~OpZ~? Show nested quote + I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him.
Agreed. I feel much better about johnnyspazz, but after the day 1 voting fiasco, I don't trust the town to get their act together in time on anyone except sidesprang. I also think there is a decent chance that he is mafia. At the very least, he hasn't been helpful at all. I'm willing to gamble on this one. Show nested quote +Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia. Except you have something to contribute. If you took anything other than CompVig, you should have already roleclaimed because then we have a confirmed mafia in the first 3 players. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: Your plan for voting on CompVig kills is solid, except I think we should be doing it during the night. Often the lynch gives information. I'd rather make that kill when I'm as informed as possible. As you said earlier, Korynne probably tried to take CompVig. It was the role we assigned to her. I would be very surprised if she tried to take anything else. This means that CompVig is somewhere in the first 2 roles. I'm more worried that Inventor slipped. I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day. Fine. I nominate johnnyspazz. We can worry about the higher people on the list later. Show nested quote +And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: On May 04 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I have just been informed I would have to only give my newspaper to one person. I had considered this, and as a result I will be inventing someone else like a gun to give someone. I am not 100% sure what it will be yet.
Okay, Bill has just confirmed that he has taken inventor. I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not. Really? You think Bill would lie about taking the inventor role? Here's the thing: If he's innocent, it doesn't help the town for him to lie about his role. It just makes us lynch people around him whether or not we actually have solid reads on them. I would hope that he is smart enough to see that. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: 2 things of note: 1. The invention of a cell phone. This does NOT confirm Bill Murray's innocence yet. There is still a mafia use for a cell phone. Cell phones are frequently used to detonate bombs. If we start seeing bombs given out, then the inventor (probably not Bill) is mafia. Otherwise, the inventor (Bill) is innocent. This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: How about we day vigi Sidesprang and then look at lynching Foolishness? That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople. On May 05 2010 06:54 Qatol wrote: Oh another thing I want to know: was anyone roleblocked last night? We need to know if there is a roleblocker out there. Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point. Actually, that is wrong. Either you are town and legitimately got roleblocked (telling us there is a mafia roleblocker out there) or you are mafia and did not get roleblocked (telling us that there is no mafia roleblocker out there). I'd like to be able to figure out which of these cases is the truth. Show nested quote +You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night. In which case nobody except the mafia will claim to be roleblocked and I'm happy. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: Falcynn seems scummiest to me.
The compusive vig is interesting because people really want to see what happens with it, but why I can't say. If the mafia has CV as well as day vig that's a lot of KP that's going to be pointed our way. I also don't really see how the CV is that beneficial to the town. Sure, it's like a double lynch, but this isn't a big game and the mafia KP is very small. Why is it good to double-lynch all the time? Better than having it in mafia hands, I guess, but I don't see it as that good a thing.
I do like having a CV-directing discussion because there's also a serial killer out there as well. The thing about the serial killer is that he wants to help town until the very end. Perhaps he'll start targeting townies if we get a few mafia really early, but that's the only reason why he'd try and kill town (unless the tracker is discovered). He'll lose if the mafia win, so he needs to kill mafia, and he needs to kill them first. We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia). I think Amnesia is a useless townie. He's too prominent to be mafia. I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia want to use him as a scapegoat. johnnyspazz > Amnesia Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: I don't see how killing Sidesprang gives any great information. If he flips green then someone in the top ten is lying? Yeah, I could have told you that without lynching him, since I can tell you that right now. Multiple people in the top ten are lying, all the vanilla claims should have made that obvious.
While looking at the numbers is interesting and all, talking about mafia taking the same numbers and the like is silly. It's especially silly as a defense. People could, y'know, be lying about their numbers.
All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted. If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill. And I think we need to clear the DayVigi from our suspect list. That would be easier if they took their shot. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: Bill never explained what that phone was supposed to do, did he? Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right? We can't do anything BUT trust that it did what it was supposed to do at this point. But he really needs to be giving something else out: tracking kits, vet lives, dt kits. I would say meth bombs except I'm still not sure that Cell Phone isn't a detonator. Hey hey hey home boy, you're all over the map. You just supported my night light....and now give like a million other ideas? Meth Bombs work nice I suppose...Kill sk/comp vig/mafia...
But I just like my idea better...it's original. And I've defended the thought of killing you?! How have I attacked you Qatol? Or poked holes in your credibility...Hell I have yet to fully analyze any of your posts fully.
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P.s. Qatol, you are kinda being all over the map tho...
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On May 05 2010 09:01 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 08:55 ~OpZ~ wrote:On May 05 2010 08:27 Foolishness wrote:On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: I have a slightly different stance: Do not claim unless you have something to contribute. My claim told us that the copycat is likely in mafia hands (or at least a townie working against the town). Korynne's claim was important too because it told us that someone in the first 2 players is playing against the town. Just giving us your role isn't important or useful. You need to be able to give the town important information by roleclaiming.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance. At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered. I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him. Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: Your plan for voting on CompVig kills is solid, except I think we should be doing it during the night. Often the lynch gives information. I'd rather make that kill when I'm as informed as possible. As you said earlier, Korynne probably tried to take CompVig. It was the role we assigned to her. I would be very surprised if she tried to take anything else. This means that CompVig is somewhere in the first 2 roles. I'm more worried that Inventor slipped. I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day. And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: On May 04 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I have just been informed I would have to only give my newspaper to one person. I had considered this, and as a result I will be inventing someone else like a gun to give someone. I am not 100% sure what it will be yet.
Okay, Bill has just confirmed that he has taken inventor. I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: 2 things of note: 1. The invention of a cell phone. This does NOT confirm Bill Murray's innocence yet. There is still a mafia use for a cell phone. Cell phones are frequently used to detonate bombs. If we start seeing bombs given out, then the inventor (probably not Bill) is mafia. Otherwise, the inventor (Bill) is innocent. This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: How about we day vigi Sidesprang and then look at lynching Foolishness? That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople. On May 05 2010 06:54 Qatol wrote: Oh another thing I want to know: was anyone roleblocked last night? We need to know if there is a roleblocker out there. Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point. You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night. On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: Falcynn seems scummiest to me.
The compusive vig is interesting because people really want to see what happens with it, but why I can't say. If the mafia has CV as well as day vig that's a lot of KP that's going to be pointed our way. I also don't really see how the CV is that beneficial to the town. Sure, it's like a double lynch, but this isn't a big game and the mafia KP is very small. Why is it good to double-lynch all the time? Better than having it in mafia hands, I guess, but I don't see it as that good a thing.
I do like having a CV-directing discussion because there's also a serial killer out there as well. The thing about the serial killer is that he wants to help town until the very end. Perhaps he'll start targeting townies if we get a few mafia really early, but that's the only reason why he'd try and kill town (unless the tracker is discovered). He'll lose if the mafia win, so he needs to kill mafia, and he needs to kill them first. We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia). On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: I don't see how killing Sidesprang gives any great information. If he flips green then someone in the top ten is lying? Yeah, I could have told you that without lynching him, since I can tell you that right now. Multiple people in the top ten are lying, all the vanilla claims should have made that obvious.
While looking at the numbers is interesting and all, talking about mafia taking the same numbers and the like is silly. It's especially silly as a defense. People could, y'know, be lying about their numbers.
All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted. If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill. On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: Bill never explained what that phone was supposed to do, did he? Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right? Why have you been talking about comp vig in the third person...If korynne picked at comp vig and got plain townie...either you or bill picked it. Johnnyspazz does seem suspicious...but not everyone comments on every plan... Hell, ask citizen, I pm'd him either before/after the game started (not sure at the time, and didn't mean to but I got dupe'd). I sent him 4, BEFORE I even understood we had to pick two numbers. Sorry I've been busy for a lil while, but damn. Didn't have time to read all the plans before the game began, and I sent Ace both numbers (citizen told me I needed two numbers actually...-________-) Dunno...Sorry for the fuck up, but bleh....Goes as far as I can to clarify I didn't read the thread to hard then or the OP...I mixed up who was assisting the host. I can even direct you to the post that dupe'd me. -__-... Really? Then why was his first post afterwards his numbers? But then you aren't exactly clean to me either. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the mafia had 4 of these 5: you, johnnyspazz, foolishness, jeejee, sidesprang Wanna make a wager? First let me show how you were wrong...
Post that duped me (he has since edited it) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120729¤tpage=4#75
Very next post by citizen. (Not his numbers) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120729¤tpage=5#85
Now, how about when I die, you agree die next? Or lets kill sidesprang, and day vigi foolishness. You sure seem to be screaming scum to me right now, Qatol. As I've said, you're all over the map and need to calm down. I know everyone else see's it. I don't need six pages worth of posts and contradictions to show it.
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I can quote some of yours, and I highly doubt you'll be an idiot misguided townie with your attack on me. Just reread some of your own statements. I've defended you, not attacked you. While I didn't notice Johnnyspazz was posting other places, and I'm happier killing foolishness or korynne because CLEARLY one of them is lying about CV. I picked it too, and foolishness calls me stupid for picking it. I picked it because...well...Vig really isn't that insanely powerful. Dt's are more important in my opinion. I just felt I'd be better sitting around and slaughtering individuals. I wanted to power to murder. I wanted to feel like the mafia! But sadly...I fucked myself and should of picked Jack. Or Meth. I spoke about my role because if everyone feels like USING the comp vig, then we might as well know who he is right?
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BM, if you invent something like meth kit, call it a smart trap, security camera. Like have it cancel the action, and PM the name of the person who committed the action to the individual. (I dunno if meth kills DT's that visit, but I suppose it would be more balanced it the person visiting wasn't killed...)
I think it was a better idea than my night light.
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I'm going to change my vote to sidesprang if no one else gets enough votes...
-_- Not getting Korynne lynched, so one possible liar lives.
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##Vote Sidesprang##
Roleblocker clearly wasn't gotten by the mafia...or they are retarded. BM/Foolishness would of been roleblocked? Why? Because uh, hello?! They pretty much are guaranteed roles? (Atleast we know BM has a role)
And if BM was mafia, and roleblocker was taken, then that explains it. If BM's invention goes to another mafia killed target, I say we lynch BM. Easy enough for him to hand out cell phones to mafia targets.
Or we just force BM to give Qatol/Foolishness a meth lab/security camera (I like my idea, what can I say). I say Qatol because...well...just because.) (Lethality detector - tells you if the person directly touching your name in the draft order is capable of killing)
Foolishness I only pushed for your death because you weren't posting....And korynne's claim...But I was more pushing for her death....
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Hey guys...should we ask the copy cat to protect BM tonight?
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Okay...sorry...haven't been on in a few days at all. I'm about to reread the thread when I get home. Today was my final day, and I was doing two papers last night.
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Hey hey hey....I've only read from my last post page (prior to the one before) but I notice Foolishness is insanely good at ignoring things directed at him, and good at quoting the same poster later and using him to attack someone, (he did with bm). I've quoted several posts, but I want to get to the last page before so I can consolidate it (I still remember being banned by plexa)
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On May 06 2010 03:48 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +Also, to be clear, I was not imagining a one time use dt kit. I meant an invention that permanently gives someone dt abilities. Show nested quote +it's a one time deal, radfield, it doesn't work like that. i just had that clarified.
Those are DT kits...I know you can read, because you were epic at confusing me like a fuck last game. Even had Citizen lynching himself....
On May 06 2010 04:17 DarthThienAn wrote: Well the DT kit is a one time thing... I don't know if that applies to ALL inventions though.
My security camera didn't need to be permenant, just prevent action and tell who visited and prevent action.
On May 06 2010 07:39 Radfield wrote:I'd like to bring this back to our compvig hit. At this point it seems like everyone who has posts an opinion has said to hit Johnnyspazz. Personally I don't find him all that scummy, so I'd like to propose a possible second target. At first I was suspicious of Falcynn, but I checked though his history and the main thing that jumped up was that he voted second on the sidesprang lynch, so he seems slightly in the clear. But you know who does strike me as scummy? Scamp. I'm not familiar with his posting in other games, so this might be the norm, but he has accused just about everyone in this game of being mafia. Lets check out some posts Show nested quote + I, for one, am not afraid of a mafia copycat. If we get a mafia with a day 1 lynch then they had the role anyway. And even if we lose an exceptionally powerful role we'll still know where it is. I think it might be best to push for BM or Foolish right away, the only problem is whether or not I trust Korynne. Right now I'm not sure.
Show nested quote + Personally, I'm wondering if there's a good reason not to lynch Foolishness right now.
This one is taken slightly out of context, but still somewhat incriminating. He followed it with: Show nested quote + All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted.
Show nested quote + Sounds to me like Qatol is mafia. I'll add him to my list with Falcynn.
vote: Sidesprang
Finally puts a vote on Sidesprang, AFTER a majority was reached(I think) So what do we have here, early on he pushes for a quick lynch of either BM or Foolishness, while downplaying the importance of the CopyCat. We now know that the copycat was in mafia hands. He puts a hard or soft FoS on pretty much any active poster he can: BM, Foolishness, Korynne, Falcynn, Qatol and myself. This is not an open and shut case, but I'd love for a few other people to take a close look at him. Also I am not yet recommending we switch our compvig vote. Lets stick with Johnnyspazz for now unless more people agree with me on Scamp. ##CompVig Johnnyspazz## I said you might be mafia too...Dunno though, that was when you were posting earlier...It's a little different now...But I'm still gonna remain wary of you. Qatol is rather riding you hard...
On May 06 2010 07:03 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 06:38 Foolishness wrote: So wait, first BM says I'm mafia and I'm going to kill him at night, then he says he's entrusting the laptop to me to find a mafia? Let's try to be more wishy-washy please. he's just trying to be 100% safe. if you were mafia-aligned, then you would stack the mafia hit and compvig hit to get past medic protection to kill him. if that is the case, then the item he gives you will end up countering your compvig hit somehow. if you are town-aligned, then you just use the item to role check someone. Johnny Spazz calling foolishness out on foolishness being epic fail and not reading the Laptops restrictions. It was a semi decent idea by BM that got blasted by Qatol and everyone else, even though it confirmed BM, forced Foolishness to target someone else.
On May 06 2010 10:56 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 08:15 Radfield wrote:On May 06 2010 08:07 Bill Murray wrote: i dont need to prove shit to you Bill, to avoid getting lynched you need to prove to everyone, not just Qatol, that you are pro-town. You have a very, very powerful ability, that is very deadly to the town if it's in mafia hands. Unfortunately for you, the person you passed out the phone to died the same night. This sucks for you, because it's suspicious by it's very nature. This is why tonight, you need to make an invention that is very obviously pro-town, so we can all go "phew" looks like Bill is very unlikely to be mafia. If you invent something obscure again, against the direct wishes of the town, what other option are you leaving us? Look at it from our point of view, we HAVE to be sure the inventor is on our side. The only way to be sure is if the inventor is following instructions from the towns collective judgement. How else can we be sure? This THIS is Foolishness not claiming, or stating his intentions to follow the plan. THIS is what i'm talking about. Idea...Korynne claims to of picked CV, picked something else to have role. Korynne also is unconfirmed whether he got vanilla or not. Foolishness won't acknowledge role alignments, (but If I was mafia, I wouldn't of killed him either. I'd let him keep hitting town.)
On May 06 2010 10:54 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 10:07 Scamp wrote: Bill Murray seems to be doing everything he can to get me killed. I think BM has gone back and forth between about 4 people so far for who he thinks is most obviously mafia. Don't worry, it'll blow over in another few hours at the current rate. ...-_- Example of Foolishness popping in and out ignoring everything.
On May 06 2010 12:08 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 08:22 Qatol wrote:On May 06 2010 08:10 citi.zen wrote:On May 06 2010 07:50 Qatol wrote:On May 06 2010 07:46 citi.zen wrote: I do not want the discussion about names distract us from the function. Invent a gun_that_only_kills_Mafia. Or a grenade, so medic or bullet proof or vet does not stop it. Grenade is a horrible idea. We do not want anything that can kill townies. We do not want anything bomb-related because of the cell phone. The gun I can accept. Not if the name says it, right? Anyway, it should flat out kill, regardless of vet/protection status, and only kill reds. Can we agree this is better than a kit? Sorry, I totally misinterpreted. A weapon that can kill SK or mafia is fine by me. I'm okay with Bill wanting to make it detonate if that player attacks him as well. But I don't see why it can't be a gun with bulletproof piercing rounds. I guess I'm just arguing semantics though. You entire stance on this issue is extremely shaky. First you don't want a gun. Then you are OK with it, but would simply make it bullet-piercing (even though that still allows a medic-protected red to live, presumably). Then you are "ok" with the gun detonating if the attacker hits Bill - yet the whole freaking point of the gun is that it CAN ONLY KILL REDS - so if Bill is town making the gun he should have no need for it to detonate, since IT CAN'T KILL BILL ANYWAY. This is very shaky reasoning about a very simple matter, totally out of character for you Qatol. Thank you for noticing this Citizen. He's been posting and flipping out about a gun, saying BM would lie, but we've done decided how to set the request up. BM had a good invention idea, that I think should only be passed out once. We have been ignoring the importance of proving foolishness. Korynne seems to be a good kill...But I dunno...
On May 06 2010 12:25 Zona wrote: I don't think we have the momentum to switch the compvig vote away from johnnyspazz tonight, but still, here are some considerations for the future:
Falcynn doesn't have many posts, and most of his statements are just questions about the game or agreement with plans others have posted. His excuse is that he's working on a film-making contest and thus is busy. The only interesting thing of note is his offer to sacrifice himself so that the alignment cop could use him to determine sanity, but nothing has come of that.
Almost everyone but Foolishness himself now acknowledges that he's the compulsive vig. We'll see tonight whether or not the compulsive vig will follow the town's direction. A lot of his early posts include doubts about the public roleclaims during the phase when most of the town was talking about them. Pretty abrasive too, but he's been like that in previous games. We'll learn more when we see the comp vig results.
Among the players still living Jeejee has few posts. He thinks he knows Hobbes's role as he was unable to get what he picked, and first expected something from it "he sure isn't doing shit with it" but then changed his mind:
"i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue."
Actually given this statement I think it's JeeJee's job to keep an eye on Hobbes. And Hobbes should be thinking from his end of things if what JeeJee's saying adds up.
Scamp has been pretty accusative all game. He's noted Falcynn and Qatol as mafia on his "list" and at one point said "Personally, I'm wondering if there's a good reason not to lynch Foolishness right now." But he's also taken a lot of contrary opinions to the town concensus which I think in itself is a good thing, as we should be open to various possibilities and not just focus on one interpretation of things. One interesting thing that occurred earlier in the game is Qatol's insistence that Scamp pick doctor.
Opz hasn't said much recently...neither has Korynne, who was pretty active early on.
Today was the day of my finals. Sorry. I was busy last night and earlier today. I'm out of school now tho. =D (Noticing I'm becoming a suspect...just reached the last page...)
On May 06 2010 12:34 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 12:08 citi.zen wrote:On May 06 2010 08:22 Qatol wrote:On May 06 2010 08:10 citi.zen wrote:On May 06 2010 07:50 Qatol wrote:On May 06 2010 07:46 citi.zen wrote: I do not want the discussion about names distract us from the function. Invent a gun_that_only_kills_Mafia. Or a grenade, so medic or bullet proof or vet does not stop it. Grenade is a horrible idea. We do not want anything that can kill townies. We do not want anything bomb-related because of the cell phone. The gun I can accept. Not if the name says it, right? Anyway, it should flat out kill, regardless of vet/protection status, and only kill reds. Can we agree this is better than a kit? Sorry, I totally misinterpreted. A weapon that can kill SK or mafia is fine by me. I'm okay with Bill wanting to make it detonate if that player attacks him as well. But I don't see why it can't be a gun with bulletproof piercing rounds. I guess I'm just arguing semantics though. You entire stance on this issue is extremely shaky. First you don't want a gun. Then you are OK with it, but would simply make it bullet-piercing (even though that still allows a medic-protected red to live, presumably). Then you are "ok" with the gun detonating if the attacker hits Bill - yet the whole freaking point of the gun is that it CAN ONLY KILL REDS - so if Bill is town making the gun he should have no need for it to detonate, since IT CAN'T KILL BILL ANYWAY. This is very shaky reasoning about a very simple matter, totally out of character for you Qatol. The original gun we were talking about could kill innocents. I hadn't thought of a gun that cannot kill innocents until someone else had brought it up. I'm okay with a gun that can't kill townies. Bill still has to give the gun to someone else to use. While it can't shoot him, he is giving it to someone we basically know has KP (though he hasn't acknowledged it). Thus he wants it to be able to detonate if that player shoots him even through other means. This idea also protects him in the future if he happened to give a gun to the mafia because if the mafia hit him, the gun blows up one of their members.
No the original gun idea COULD ONLY KILL REDS. It's on a page in the 20 - 28 range. You attacked it immediately acting as if it could kill town or red. Trust me, I've just red the argument...
On May 06 2010 12:50 citi.zen wrote:I actually like JeeJee's pay in this game. First time for everything I guess. Good suggestions on invention, calling BS when he sees it, not bad. Here's a good example on the ongoing invention fiasco, where Qatol seems to keep raising half-baked objections: Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 05:42 JeeJee wrote:On May 06 2010 04:53 Qatol wrote:On May 06 2010 04:47 citi.zen wrote:On May 06 2010 04:15 Qatol wrote:On May 06 2010 04:08 citi.zen wrote:On May 06 2010 03:06 JeeJee wrote:On May 05 2010 23:34 Radfield wrote:I have to disagree with you Citizen, sidesprang was lynched because several things pointed to him being the mafia copycat. The only other real option was him being a very bad townie. But moving on. JeeJee has information right now that pretty much no one else does. i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here either that or hobbes is mafia for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it. then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here Now that sidesprang is gone, JeeJee is claiming that he tried for a role and failed to get it. Which means that someone above him has his role. He also is claiming that whoever that person is, is failing to use it in a pro-town manner. I've looked through the roles, and I really can't figure out which role he could be talking about though. DayVig is the only one that seems likely. As far as who might have the role? In my mind the options are Opz, Falcynn or Hobbes. Bm and Foolishness have inventor and CV, if Korynne was lying about her pick then Foolishness would have outted her, Qatol is almost certainly telling the truth about trying for CopyCat, and everyone else is dead. Another possibility is that Foolishness and Korynne are both mafia, but I think this unlikely. So JeeJee, if you truly think that whoever took your role is anti-town, then you should role claim, because you will likely lead us to a mafia. However, I leave the final judgement up to you, no point in outing a pro-town player's role. you are correct, i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue. what's the plan with inventions this night? i'm still leaning towards alignment kits. maybe you can get creative and get a gun with special bullets .. if you hit a mafia, they die, if you hit a townie, nothing happens. its like an alignment kit with bullets, whooo =) I love the invention suggestion. How can this harm the town? Swift justice + lasting info. Call it... the silver bullet gun. DT kit v. 2.0. Easy. Do you trust Bill not to make a regular gun but have the same name? How about he makes another one after that? And then the mafia all fire their guns the same night. This is your strangest comment yet Qatol. If you do not trust Bill this entire discussion is worthless. It makes no difference if you ask him to make invention X or Y - if he works for the mafia he will make what he wants or change the properties of the invention how he wants. I don't get it. Actually, it makes perfect sense. The thing is, if Bill is working for the mafia, he will want to give out as many inventions as he possibly can before we catch him. To do that, he has to give out inventions which seem to be helping the town when they will actually help the mafia in the long run. If we are asking him to give out guns, what is to stop him from giving out his "guns" to mafia members and either claim that they went to people who just died or just say they went to the mafia members? Then the mafia can just go on a shooting spree in a few nights and close out the game. this doesn't make sense if he claims the gun went to a mafia and thats why it hasn't been used, then he should call out said mafia and we lynch him, lol Well said, no idea how Qatol missed that one too. Glad to know a few people caught it also...Qatol is missing a lot...-_-
On May 06 2010 12:55 Falcynn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 12:25 Zona wrote: Falcynn doesn't have many posts, and most of his statements are just questions about the game or agreement with plans others have posted. His excuse is that he's working on a film-making contest and thus is busy. The only interesting thing of note is his offer to sacrifice himself so that the alignment cop could use him to determine sanity, but nothing has come of that.
I'm actually done with the contest, that was on Friday/Saturday, I was only using that reason for why I missed the role claims. My activity here is mostly due to the fact that I usually don't have much to contribute other than agreeing with others =/ In flamewheel's game (mafia XXII) I was criticized for not saying much and was told that even if all I do is agree with others, then at least say so as that appears less scummy and helps the town by knowing where the townies stand. So even though I usually don't have anything new to add to any discussions, I figured I should at least take the advice from last game and get involved with the discussions, even if all I do is agree with people. Anyways, I'm going to go ahead and just say (even if it makes me seem scummy) that I agree with lynching BM or calling for him to be CV'd if he makes some other obscure item that goes against what all the other townies have said. The gun that only kills mafia sounds like a great idea, but really, as long as BM invents something that shows he's at least listening to us rather than just taking things in his own hands would do a great deal to make him less suspicious. Right now, it seems BM is doing a good job (probably not intentionally, but that's beside the point) in dividing the town and distracting us. How many "Liqui-" Gazette threads have you made? And you usually only agree, but are beyond epic at detective work....Something's rotten here.
On May 06 2010 13:03 Zona wrote: Actually the more I think about it the more I like the gunpowder detection kit idea. The tracker role is able to see the serial killer when the serial killer goes out on the kill, so there is a way for the serial killer to be detected - as long as functionality doesn't depend on the serial killer's alignment itself. A gunpowder detection kit will detect not based on alignment, but ability to kill - so I'm expecting that it would be able to detect the serial killer's guns.
A gunpowder detection kit - that's what I suggest the inventor invent. MY OTHER IDEA...
God, I should of been inventor...Lol Or at least a similar invention to mine earlier. I dunno, not very much content, just highlighting and making some points on some posts I find somewhat important. Qatol is kinda missing a lot of facts, Zona isn't posting much, Qatol is ALIVE (?!), Zona is ALIVE (?!?!?). Sry but some just doesn't make sense. (Also, Zona, you made a post a while back I dunno if I quoted it, but I remember I liked it...pretty sure you are notched pro town, i just don't feel like rereading again...I'm tired)
On May 06 2010 19:09 Radfield wrote:I have been shot at and saved by the medic. Good work medic. Likely scenario:Foolishness kills Jspazz, Mafia shoot at me, SK kills Bill Murray. If you think about it, BM was a bigger threat to the SK then anyone else in the game. Considering that the only way the SK can get found is either the tracker or BM's inventions. Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 15:50 Bill Murray wrote: good game guys. i was going to not invent anything as if i was a mafia i'd obviously invent something and give it to the mafia. by way of not inventing anything, i was proving to you all i was innocent.
i hope you all win. Wow, the likelihood of us lynching you for this move was decently high... oh well How would you know who shot at you? Sk could have...
The mafia and SK coulda stacked on BM. Seems nice to claim you got hit. Qatol not getting his again...This is kinda ridiculous.
On May 06 2010 03:13 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 23:14 citi.zen wrote: Sidersprang wasn't lynched because he was terribly suspect, but because he didn't really reply + we thought we might get more info on other people from lynching him. We got lucky with our lynch, which is great, but remember the mafia KP is the same whatever happens.
For tonight, I still like alignment kits as our invention - the chance of hitting a red by shooting into the crowd are now even lower. Alternatively - what do we think of making some meth-bomb-like item which would not kill all visitors, only the shooter? If enough townies have those the reds eventually kill themselves.
I need to review people's posts relative to Sidersprang. I can't believe I missed this earlier. No bombs please. I don't trust that day 1 cell phone not to be a detonator. Please let's just stick with something that prevents hits. We are losing town members too fast. I like the security camera/trip wire idea suggested earlier if ace allows it (prevents the hit and shows you your attacker). Otherwise, just something that turns a player into a veteran would be quite useful.
Thank you for your appreciation of my idea.
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On May 07 2010 07:57 Ace wrote: By the way, Bill Murray you'll be banned from future games for posting game relevant information after death. You should have known to keep your mouth shut.
We would of none this anyway...But bleh....he shouldn't of said it...
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On May 07 2010 08:18 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2010 08:07 Radfield wrote: We only have a few hours left till lynch time, so it's time to hone in on people. At this point we have several different routes to go, and several different suspects. The key in my mind, is lynching someone who gives us info towards aiming our CV hit. So if you're going to propose to lynch someone, I'd like to know who you're going to vote for the CV hit if they flop red or green.
I'll reiterate my current stance: Lynch Darth, if red CV scamp, if green CV JeeJee. The reason being, I think one of Darth and JeeJee are mafia, so if not Darth then JeeJee. And if Darth is red, then we follow up with our second most suspicious person Scamp.
If we lynch Korynne, what do we do if she turns up green? CV Foolishness? Not likely. If she turns up red who do we CV? Darth? JeeJee? Scamp?
I'd like to hear other peoples thoughts along this line of thinking. I'd also love to hear what Zona has to say. With 12 in the game we need 7 to lynch. We need to learn from our lynchings, I'm not saying my plan is the best, but I just want everyone to think in terms of a long-term plan. So don't bother criticizing my Darth plan, just come up with a better one.
Also, if we don't get a mafia tonight, we are basically forced to lynch Foolishness tomorrow in an effort to buy time. We don't need to discuss this yet, but lets keep it in mind.
Fine, I'll bite. I agree that he is suspicious and we need to lynch someone right now. ##Vote: DarThienAn##Though citi.zen never ceases to amaze me with his ability to come out of nowhere and vote. I want to try something out tonight. ##CompVig: citi.zen##This is just a theory, but I think he is the serial killer. Why? Well go back and look at his discussion of inventions. He specifically emphasizes inventions that not only the town, but the SK would also be immune to (immune to alignment checks, guns that can only kill MAFIA not guns that CANNOT KILL INNOCENTS) Finally, I'm hoping that the SK will work with us tonight (and they very well might if I'm off base on this). In that case, I'd like them to hit either Scamp or JeeJee based on how this lynch comes out.
What? -_- Comp Vig should not hit my good buddy Citizen. I'd miss him mucho...He points out Qatol's mistakes. Would make sense for Qatol to want him dead. I PROPOSE QATOL IS SK.
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On May 07 2010 08:48 Radfield wrote: There is flaw in our plan Qatol. By putting down all these follow up names(Scamp, Citizen, JeeJee) it's likely they just won't vote for Darth. Hobbes has stated he's gone for the night.
That means to get 7 we need Zona, Opz, Falcynn(where did you go????) and Foolishness to all vote in favor of Darth. If Darth IS mafia and one of those 4 are mafia, then they can stop the vote from going through. However, there is the chance that someone may be Floridian too, which could push us over.
I propose that if Scamp, Citizen or JeeJee vote for Darth, then we hold off on voting them off the island. Prove your pro-townness and vote off Darth! Voting Darth doesn't prove my pro townness...remember Darth wants me dead.
-_-
So if I'm mafia, and he's mafia, and he's drawing attention to me...but wait...if he's town and I'm mafia/town it makes me more suspicious?! OMG!! What do I do gais!!!?
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On May 07 2010 08:22 Radfield wrote: The thing with Foolishness is, it doesn't really matter if he's town or mafia aligned. At some point his CV hits will become a dangerous detriment to the town and we'll have to lynch him just to stay alive. We also have to lynch him before it becomes possible for him and the mafia to make a double hit and gain a huge advantage.
Other than that we keep him alive for the extra kills until we're down to one mafia, then we lynch him. There's just no reason to have a CV with only one mafia around. or let him be mod killed for not killing...(Is that a bannable mod kill?!)
We could just use that to our benefit....Ya dig?
On May 07 2010 09:01 Korynne wrote: Right, it's okay if mafia isn't everyone else's priority in life but I'm the one being the suspect for it. >_>
Most of your posts are like 5min posts, I even went through them again afterwards to make sure. They're mostly like 1-5 lines long and are like conversational rather than analysis. I'm taking my information from zbot so it's not updated with your entire afternoon writing stuff, but I mean given that everyone is accusing you today it would be rather silly to sit back and read and not post long defenses. Though my bad on the explanation on not voting sidesprang, it was in the johnnyspazz long pots so I skimmed and didn't catch it. hey hey hey...No...People have lied before...
-___-...I just wish my life wasn't this sad and that I'd actually be lieing...
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On May 07 2010 09:13 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2010 09:08 ~OpZ~ wrote: Hey hey hey....I've only read from my last post page (prior to the one before) but I notice Foolishness is insanely good at ignoring things directed at him, and good at quoting the same poster later and using him to attack someone, (he did with bm). I've quoted several posts, but I want to get to the last page before so I can consolidate it (I still remember being banned by plexa) Perhaps I should play like you and make a claim about someone and not back it up with any evidence? And I should also not read the thread, because other people aren't important. Thanks for your input on who we should lynch, really helps us here. Maybe you should read my post where I say I wasn't done yet....? Or how about where I said I was making a bigger post? Or how about how I was reading the thread?
Hi? Did you miss all that? I was actually talking about radfields questioning of you, and you ignoring it, then two pages later quoting radfield and saying "This."
Oh...I believe my post of notes has that in it...Like I said it would...Hi Foolishness. Quit your bitching.
On May 07 2010 10:03 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2010 10:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:On May 07 2010 08:48 Radfield wrote: There is flaw in our plan Qatol. By putting down all these follow up names(Scamp, Citizen, JeeJee) it's likely they just won't vote for Darth. Hobbes has stated he's gone for the night.
That means to get 7 we need Zona, Opz, Falcynn(where did you go????) and Foolishness to all vote in favor of Darth. If Darth IS mafia and one of those 4 are mafia, then they can stop the vote from going through. However, there is the chance that someone may be Floridian too, which could push us over.
I propose that if Scamp, Citizen or JeeJee vote for Darth, then we hold off on voting them off the island. Prove your pro-townness and vote off Darth! Voting Darth doesn't prove my pro townness...remember Darth wants me dead. -_- So if I'm mafia, and he's mafia, and he's drawing attention to me...but wait...if he's town and I'm mafia/town it makes me more suspicious?! OMG!! What do I do gais!!!? That part wasn't directed at you Opz. I assume you will vote for Darth because it makes sense to you. I don't really suspect you much right now. The pro-townness part was for those people who I most suspect are mafia. Lol...Well if I voted for Korynne, I'd be supporting the guy who wants me dead...But the guy who wants me dead is either town or mafia...I'm town, so if he's town, I shouldn't want him dead, and I shouldn't think he's mafia just because he wants me dead. Darth, I really don't know what you are...I still have some time unless a majority has been reached I think...
On May 07 2010 10:05 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2010 10:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:On May 07 2010 08:22 Radfield wrote: The thing with Foolishness is, it doesn't really matter if he's town or mafia aligned. At some point his CV hits will become a dangerous detriment to the town and we'll have to lynch him just to stay alive. We also have to lynch him before it becomes possible for him and the mafia to make a double hit and gain a huge advantage.
Other than that we keep him alive for the extra kills until we're down to one mafia, then we lynch him. There's just no reason to have a CV with only one mafia around. or let him be mod killed for not killing...(Is that a bannable mod kill?!) We could just use that to our benefit....Ya dig? That's actually not a bad idea, although it really depends on the situation. There may be a time when we simply can't risk him being mafia and getting off a double kill. I have good idea's some games... Notice my invention idea's have been praised. I'm actually trying to consider ways to balance them. Mine was ambiguous. Anyone visiting was revealed + action cancelled. Bill coulda added it must be used the night it was received without telling us, and then said the security camera was a dt check or something -_-...seriously I wish I was inventor now...Too bad it's gone.
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On May 07 2010 10:19 Foolishness wrote: It's not worth my time to respond to you. Because you didn't feel it was necessary. I mean we already are sure, but the fact of the matter is you felt your will for a role that was essentially already revealed was necessary to hide when it was in the open. Korynne would be a worthless lynch, so I will vote Darth. If she is vig, or any role, than foolishness is mafia.
##Vote Darth##
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On May 07 2010 10:19 Foolishness wrote: It's not worth my time to respond to you. And also smart ass, MY INPUT was INTENTLY focused on my Civ and Lit/Humanities essays. I'm sorry mafia hasn't been my prime concern, I know it isn't yours, because I'd wager you have under 12 posts more than me since I've started posting again today.
I personally am all for having you killed. You're going to do nothing but wind up hurting the town, and I think it's already obvious you'll have to die for the greater good eventually.
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On May 07 2010 10:26 Scamp wrote: Oh never mind. I think I just got crazy double-vote ninja'd. But I do like how you see Foolishness had no reason to hide that he was taking comp vig?
-_- We don't even need that role to win. It's more of a hamper than anything. Korynne could still be mafia, just not have received an extra roll in the draft because of Foolishness.
But Foolishness being mafia makes more sense.
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I think that one thing is a good catch there Qatol....
But...it may just be seeing something that isn't there....But I think this might definitely be important. I think we should comp vig on that idea actually...I think it should be Zona too actually. His choice of 12 (I should probably read qatol's number plan) is a decent number to of tried to get a good early pick.
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