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Foolishness, let me address your post in pieces:
On May 05 2010 08:27 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: I have a slightly different stance: Do not claim unless you have something to contribute. My claim told us that the copycat is likely in mafia hands (or at least a townie working against the town). Korynne's claim was important too because it told us that someone in the first 2 players is playing against the town. Just giving us your role isn't important or useful. You need to be able to give the town important information by roleclaiming.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance. At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered. Yay another person trying to "subtly" poke holes in my credibility. Having fun over there with your buddy ~OpZ~?
I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him.
Agreed. I feel much better about johnnyspazz, but after the day 1 voting fiasco, I don't trust the town to get their act together in time on anyone except sidesprang. I also think there is a decent chance that he is mafia. At the very least, he hasn't been helpful at all. I'm willing to gamble on this one.
Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia. Except you have something to contribute. If you took anything other than CompVig, you should have already roleclaimed because then we have a confirmed mafia in the first 3 players.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: Your plan for voting on CompVig kills is solid, except I think we should be doing it during the night. Often the lynch gives information. I'd rather make that kill when I'm as informed as possible. As you said earlier, Korynne probably tried to take CompVig. It was the role we assigned to her. I would be very surprised if she tried to take anything else. This means that CompVig is somewhere in the first 2 roles. I'm more worried that Inventor slipped. I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day. Fine. I nominate johnnyspazz. We can worry about the higher people on the list later.
And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: On May 04 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I have just been informed I would have to only give my newspaper to one person. I had considered this, and as a result I will be inventing someone else like a gun to give someone. I am not 100% sure what it will be yet.
Okay, Bill has just confirmed that he has taken inventor. I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not. Really? You think Bill would lie about taking the inventor role? Here's the thing: If he's innocent, it doesn't help the town for him to lie about his role. It just makes us lynch people around him whether or not we actually have solid reads on them. I would hope that he is smart enough to see that.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: 2 things of note: 1. The invention of a cell phone. This does NOT confirm Bill Murray's innocence yet. There is still a mafia use for a cell phone. Cell phones are frequently used to detonate bombs. If we start seeing bombs given out, then the inventor (probably not Bill) is mafia. Otherwise, the inventor (Bill) is innocent. This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: How about we day vigi Sidesprang and then look at lynching Foolishness? That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:54 Qatol wrote: Oh another thing I want to know: was anyone roleblocked last night? We need to know if there is a roleblocker out there. Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point. Actually, that is wrong. Either you are town and legitimately got roleblocked (telling us there is a mafia roleblocker out there) or you are mafia and did not get roleblocked (telling us that there is no mafia roleblocker out there). I'd like to be able to figure out which of these cases is the truth.
You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night. In which case nobody except the mafia will claim to be roleblocked and I'm happy.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: Falcynn seems scummiest to me.
The compusive vig is interesting because people really want to see what happens with it, but why I can't say. If the mafia has CV as well as day vig that's a lot of KP that's going to be pointed our way. I also don't really see how the CV is that beneficial to the town. Sure, it's like a double lynch, but this isn't a big game and the mafia KP is very small. Why is it good to double-lynch all the time? Better than having it in mafia hands, I guess, but I don't see it as that good a thing.
I do like having a CV-directing discussion because there's also a serial killer out there as well. The thing about the serial killer is that he wants to help town until the very end. Perhaps he'll start targeting townies if we get a few mafia really early, but that's the only reason why he'd try and kill town (unless the tracker is discovered). He'll lose if the mafia win, so he needs to kill mafia, and he needs to kill them first. We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia). I think Amnesia is a useless townie. He's too prominent to be mafia. I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia want to use him as a scapegoat. johnnyspazz > Amnesia
Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: I don't see how killing Sidesprang gives any great information. If he flips green then someone in the top ten is lying? Yeah, I could have told you that without lynching him, since I can tell you that right now. Multiple people in the top ten are lying, all the vanilla claims should have made that obvious.
While looking at the numbers is interesting and all, talking about mafia taking the same numbers and the like is silly. It's especially silly as a defense. People could, y'know, be lying about their numbers.
All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted. If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill. And I think we need to clear the DayVigi from our suspect list. That would be easier if they took their shot.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: Bill never explained what that phone was supposed to do, did he? Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right? We can't do anything BUT trust that it did what it was supposed to do at this point. But he really needs to be giving something else out: tracking kits, vet lives, dt kits. I would say meth bombs except I'm still not sure that Cell Phone isn't a detonator.
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On May 05 2010 08:55 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 08:27 Foolishness wrote:On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: I have a slightly different stance: Do not claim unless you have something to contribute. My claim told us that the copycat is likely in mafia hands (or at least a townie working against the town). Korynne's claim was important too because it told us that someone in the first 2 players is playing against the town. Just giving us your role isn't important or useful. You need to be able to give the town important information by roleclaiming.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance. At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered. I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him. Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: Your plan for voting on CompVig kills is solid, except I think we should be doing it during the night. Often the lynch gives information. I'd rather make that kill when I'm as informed as possible. As you said earlier, Korynne probably tried to take CompVig. It was the role we assigned to her. I would be very surprised if she tried to take anything else. This means that CompVig is somewhere in the first 2 roles. I'm more worried that Inventor slipped. I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day. And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: On May 04 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I have just been informed I would have to only give my newspaper to one person. I had considered this, and as a result I will be inventing someone else like a gun to give someone. I am not 100% sure what it will be yet.
Okay, Bill has just confirmed that he has taken inventor. I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: 2 things of note: 1. The invention of a cell phone. This does NOT confirm Bill Murray's innocence yet. There is still a mafia use for a cell phone. Cell phones are frequently used to detonate bombs. If we start seeing bombs given out, then the inventor (probably not Bill) is mafia. Otherwise, the inventor (Bill) is innocent. This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: How about we day vigi Sidesprang and then look at lynching Foolishness? That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople. On May 05 2010 06:54 Qatol wrote: Oh another thing I want to know: was anyone roleblocked last night? We need to know if there is a roleblocker out there. Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point. You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night. On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: Falcynn seems scummiest to me.
The compusive vig is interesting because people really want to see what happens with it, but why I can't say. If the mafia has CV as well as day vig that's a lot of KP that's going to be pointed our way. I also don't really see how the CV is that beneficial to the town. Sure, it's like a double lynch, but this isn't a big game and the mafia KP is very small. Why is it good to double-lynch all the time? Better than having it in mafia hands, I guess, but I don't see it as that good a thing.
I do like having a CV-directing discussion because there's also a serial killer out there as well. The thing about the serial killer is that he wants to help town until the very end. Perhaps he'll start targeting townies if we get a few mafia really early, but that's the only reason why he'd try and kill town (unless the tracker is discovered). He'll lose if the mafia win, so he needs to kill mafia, and he needs to kill them first. We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia). On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: I don't see how killing Sidesprang gives any great information. If he flips green then someone in the top ten is lying? Yeah, I could have told you that without lynching him, since I can tell you that right now. Multiple people in the top ten are lying, all the vanilla claims should have made that obvious.
While looking at the numbers is interesting and all, talking about mafia taking the same numbers and the like is silly. It's especially silly as a defense. People could, y'know, be lying about their numbers.
All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted. If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill. On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: Bill never explained what that phone was supposed to do, did he? Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right? Why have you been talking about comp vig in the third person...If korynne picked at comp vig and got plain townie...either you or bill picked it. Johnnyspazz does seem suspicious...but not everyone comments on every plan... Hell, ask citizen, I pm'd him either before/after the game started (not sure at the time, and didn't mean to but I got dupe'd). I sent him 4, BEFORE I even understood we had to pick two numbers. Sorry I've been busy for a lil while, but damn. Didn't have time to read all the plans before the game began, and I sent Ace both numbers (citizen told me I needed two numbers actually...-________-) Dunno...Sorry for the fuck up, but bleh....Goes as far as I can to clarify I didn't read the thread to hard then or the OP...I mixed up who was assisting the host. I can even direct you to the post that dupe'd me. -__-... Really? Then why was his first post afterwards his numbers? But then you aren't exactly clean to me either. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the mafia had 4 of these 5: you, johnnyspazz, foolishness, jeejee, sidesprang
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On May 05 2010 09:28 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 09:01 Qatol wrote:On May 05 2010 08:55 ~OpZ~ wrote:On May 05 2010 08:27 Foolishness wrote:On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: I have a slightly different stance: Do not claim unless you have something to contribute. My claim told us that the copycat is likely in mafia hands (or at least a townie working against the town). Korynne's claim was important too because it told us that someone in the first 2 players is playing against the town. Just giving us your role isn't important or useful. You need to be able to give the town important information by roleclaiming.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance. At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered. I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him. Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: Your plan for voting on CompVig kills is solid, except I think we should be doing it during the night. Often the lynch gives information. I'd rather make that kill when I'm as informed as possible. As you said earlier, Korynne probably tried to take CompVig. It was the role we assigned to her. I would be very surprised if she tried to take anything else. This means that CompVig is somewhere in the first 2 roles. I'm more worried that Inventor slipped. I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day. And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: On May 04 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I have just been informed I would have to only give my newspaper to one person. I had considered this, and as a result I will be inventing someone else like a gun to give someone. I am not 100% sure what it will be yet.
Okay, Bill has just confirmed that he has taken inventor. I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: 2 things of note: 1. The invention of a cell phone. This does NOT confirm Bill Murray's innocence yet. There is still a mafia use for a cell phone. Cell phones are frequently used to detonate bombs. If we start seeing bombs given out, then the inventor (probably not Bill) is mafia. Otherwise, the inventor (Bill) is innocent. This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote: How about we day vigi Sidesprang and then look at lynching Foolishness? That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople. On May 05 2010 06:54 Qatol wrote: Oh another thing I want to know: was anyone roleblocked last night? We need to know if there is a roleblocker out there. Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point. You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night. On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: Falcynn seems scummiest to me.
The compusive vig is interesting because people really want to see what happens with it, but why I can't say. If the mafia has CV as well as day vig that's a lot of KP that's going to be pointed our way. I also don't really see how the CV is that beneficial to the town. Sure, it's like a double lynch, but this isn't a big game and the mafia KP is very small. Why is it good to double-lynch all the time? Better than having it in mafia hands, I guess, but I don't see it as that good a thing.
I do like having a CV-directing discussion because there's also a serial killer out there as well. The thing about the serial killer is that he wants to help town until the very end. Perhaps he'll start targeting townies if we get a few mafia really early, but that's the only reason why he'd try and kill town (unless the tracker is discovered). He'll lose if the mafia win, so he needs to kill mafia, and he needs to kill them first. We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia). On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: I don't see how killing Sidesprang gives any great information. If he flips green then someone in the top ten is lying? Yeah, I could have told you that without lynching him, since I can tell you that right now. Multiple people in the top ten are lying, all the vanilla claims should have made that obvious.
While looking at the numbers is interesting and all, talking about mafia taking the same numbers and the like is silly. It's especially silly as a defense. People could, y'know, be lying about their numbers.
All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted. If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill. On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote: Bill never explained what that phone was supposed to do, did he? Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right? Why have you been talking about comp vig in the third person...If korynne picked at comp vig and got plain townie...either you or bill picked it. Johnnyspazz does seem suspicious...but not everyone comments on every plan... Hell, ask citizen, I pm'd him either before/after the game started (not sure at the time, and didn't mean to but I got dupe'd). I sent him 4, BEFORE I even understood we had to pick two numbers. Sorry I've been busy for a lil while, but damn. Didn't have time to read all the plans before the game began, and I sent Ace both numbers (citizen told me I needed two numbers actually...-________-) Dunno...Sorry for the fuck up, but bleh....Goes as far as I can to clarify I didn't read the thread to hard then or the OP...I mixed up who was assisting the host. I can even direct you to the post that dupe'd me. -__-... Really? Then why was his first post afterwards his numbers? But then you aren't exactly clean to me either. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the mafia had 4 of these 5: you, johnnyspazz, foolishness, jeejee, sidesprang Wanna make a wager? First let me show how you were wrong... Post that duped me (he has since edited it) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120729¤tpage=4#75Very next post by citizen. (Not his numbers) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120729¤tpage=5#85Now, how about when I die, you agree die next? Or lets kill sidesprang, and day vigi foolishness. You sure seem to be screaming scum to me right now, Qatol. As I've said, you're all over the map and need to calm down. I know everyone else see's it. I don't need six pages worth of posts and contradictions to show it. -___- I can quote some of yours, and I highly doubt you'll be an idiot misguided townie with your attack on me. Just reread some of your own statements. I've defended you, not attacked you. While I didn't notice Johnnyspazz was posting other places, and I'm happier killing foolishness or korynne because CLEARLY one of them is lying about CV. I picked it too, and foolishness calls me stupid for picking it. I picked it because...well...Vig really isn't that insanely powerful. Dt's are more important in my opinion. I just felt I'd be better sitting around and slaughtering individuals. I wanted to power to murder. I wanted to feel like the mafia! But sadly...I fucked myself and should of picked Jack. Or Meth. I spoke about my role because if everyone feels like USING the comp vig, then we might as well know who he is right? I never said anything about you and your role selection. I'm fully aware citi.zen made that post. I was talking about johnnyspazz?
On May 02 2010 01:29 johnnyspazz wrote: I picked [8][4]. Good call darth It was his first post after the game started.
And we can play your little game of chicken if you really want, but I'm definitely innocent. Or do you not remember the plans where I was likely checked out by the role cop and/or tracker? Do you really think I would be contributing the way I have if I were mafia?
Anyways, I will try to be more focused in my accusations. Sound good? Lynch sidesprang, compvig johnnyspazz I'll leave it at those two.
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On May 05 2010 10:08 Korynne wrote: Or actually, correction, stop trying to lynch me because you think I am mafia.
It is perfectly legit to lynch me to confirm what I say about Bill/Foolishness. No, it isn't. If you are really legit, we have better ways to find out about Bill/Foolishness. If we lynch you, it should be because we think you are mafia. No other reason.
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On May 05 2010 10:39 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 08:59 Korynne wrote: Also flamewheel it's okay, apparently everyone on the internet is assumed male unless proven. xP
But seriously Foolishness if you are town, you should claim either compvig or not compvig. If I was mafia and I was lying, then I would already know you are not compvig. If I was mafia and telling the truth, and BM is mafia with me, then I would already know if you are compvig. If I was mafia and BM is town, then I doubt BM has the coordination to pull off another townie pretending to be inventor instead of him. If I was town, and mafia knows I'm town, then they know that I'm probably telling the truth, and they will know you and BM's role.
So telling us whether you are compvig or not compvig only benefits town. So basically, if you claim compvig, everything's okay for now other than wtf why did you steal my role. If you claim not compvig then you and BM are under heavy scrutiny (or at least will be when I am revealed town). Have you not read anything Qatol or I have said about NOT claiming as claiming only helps the mafia? I said in my post, I will claim if it is necessary and bring impertinent information to the town. Right now me claiming does no good, so I'm not going to. You can be upset that you didn't get your role (if you're even telling the truth here), but that doesn't mean you have to force me to claim and help the mafia (but who am I kidding, you already did that yesterday, great job there btw). Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Yay another person trying to "subtly" poke holes in my credibility. Having fun over there with your buddy ~OpZ~?
Why do you care so much about this fact? Why are you putting so much emphasis on YOUR credibility? Nobody other than yourself knows that you are innocent (unless someone checked you or something), and yet you expect us to just blindly believe everything you say? You're sounding more and more like BM as the game goes on. You're honestly expecting everyone in the town to just believe everything you say. Saying this is what is causing me to doubt your credibility, not anything else you say. Furthermore, my paragraph in which I said those things had NOTHING to do with your credibility. It was about people lying in general, and I just picked you as an example. There are huge benefits in this game to lying about what role you got or what numbers you picked, no matter what side you are on (I can clarify this point if need be). I'm trying to raise this point up because people are just believing anyone is saying. At this stage in the game, some things are not adding up right with what everyone is saying. Somebody has to be lying, somebody who's talking a lot probably. There are things left unsaid that need to be answered (what did BM's invention actually do?). Opz wants to kill me and you're calling us buddies? o.O Maybe I want credibility because I'm sick and tired of being ignored? (notice how early I tried to focus on a lynch on day 1 yet we still managed to have a no lynch? People didn't even really argue about it? They just focused on the roles and didn't even worry about the lynch.) (additionally, notice that nobody other than opz has even mentioned that analysis of johnnyspazz - how is the guy this slippery when he isn't even posting?) Anyways, I'm done with this. Just don't stop reading my posts. If you disagree with the logic in them, point it out like Zona did earlier. Dismissing them out of hand or saying that I am expecting you to just follow them does not help anyone. If you aren't persuaded, tell me why.
Please clarify your point about why you would want to lie about your numbers if you're innocent.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Except you have something to contribute. If you took anything other than CompVig, you should have already roleclaimed because then we have a confirmed mafia in the first 3 players. Which is what I'm skeptical about when I mention this. In any other mafia game, it's not very well in a townspersons' interest to lie about their role. In this game it is very well in their interest. You claimed you picked copycat and didn't get the role. What I think is equally as likely (I'm not accusing you) is that you picked some other role instead. Let's assume for a moment that you are town. Given how much you emphasized in the thread you were taking copycat, it goes without saying that probably nobody below you picked it (and thus can't counter confirm your choice). Then after the picks were done you said in the thread, "hey guys I didn't get my role...wtf" (I'm paraphrasing obviously). Now the mafia think you're a green townie and won't bother hitting you. If you picked a good town role (a cop, medic, tracker, or something) you're in a great position to just do your thing for the next few days. What I'm trying to say is, even if I come out with information that says "hey guys...either BM or Korynne is lying", that doesn't necessarily mean one of us is mafia. I'll reserve my judgment on this until I see the first CompVig hit. But if they aren't following the town, you NEED to speak up.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Really? You think Bill would lie about taking the inventor role? Here's the thing: If he's innocent, it doesn't help the town for him to lie about his role. It just makes us lynch people around him whether or not we actually have solid reads on them. I would hope that he is smart enough to see that. BM said before the picks went out that he didn't even want the inventor role. I think it's possible that nobody on the list picked inventor. Or if you're lower on the list, you picked inventor and got it, would you really come out and say so? Maybe, but if I was low on the list, and was actually the inventor, I'd be very very very scared about claiming. Hell I had second pick on the draft and I'm scared to claim as it is. And you're 'if' statement there says "If he's innocent,...". What if he's not? I'm just trying to account for all possibilities here, because it seems to me nobody else is. And I think that it is impossible that nobody picked the inventor because we saw a cell phone made. After Bill said that he was trying to make a town circle and something about being able to PM on day 4. After Bill was talking about making a town circle. It sure seems to me like he has the role or is working with the person that has it. And yes, if I were the one with the inventor role, I would roleclaim. Why? because it means we have found someone actively working against the town (Bill).
Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Actually, that is wrong. Either you are town and legitimately got roleblocked (telling us there is a mafia roleblocker out there) or you are mafia and did not get roleblocked (telling us that there is no mafia roleblocker out there). I'd like to be able to figure out which of these cases is the truth. I'm kinda confused by this. What I originally meant was that claiming you got roleblocked says nothing of whether you have a special role or not. You mention that either a town or mafia member could claim to get roleblocked, and what I was saying is that if someone claims to get roleblocked, it doesn't reveal much information. This would only help later in the game if they died or if someone had checked them or something. All I want to know is whether we have a roleblocker out there working against us. Personally, I'd like to know what the mafia can do. Maybe it won't matter, maybe we wind up in a situation where we should have a DT roleclaim while we drop our medic on them. I'd like to know if that is an option.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 10:08 Korynne wrote: Or actually, correction, stop trying to lynch me because you think I am mafia.
It is perfectly legit to lynch me to confirm what I say about Bill/Foolishness. No it's not, we don't have time to waste like that. Lynching you to confirm what one of BM/me is says nothing about who's mafia (other than you cause you're dead and we find out). Also, that kinda talk is mafia like (the whole "fine if you don't believe me, just go ahead and kill me, then you'll see). Agreed on this point.
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On May 05 2010 11:33 johnnyspazz wrote: ##Vote Sidesprang## after reading through everything, i agree that sidesprang would be a good lynch target
why aren't people using the compvig vote idea that was brought up earlier in the game? Okay so you read through everything. You agree that the logic on sidesprang is a good target. Why are you still not saying anything? No impressions? No analysis? You point out that we aren't using the compvig vote idea, but then you don't even suggest a target? This sort of posting behavior is exactly why I am calling you out.
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On May 05 2010 11:55 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote:On May 05 2010 10:39 Foolishness wrote:On May 05 2010 08:59 Korynne wrote: Also flamewheel it's okay, apparently everyone on the internet is assumed male unless proven. xP
But seriously Foolishness if you are town, you should claim either compvig or not compvig. If I was mafia and I was lying, then I would already know you are not compvig. If I was mafia and telling the truth, and BM is mafia with me, then I would already know if you are compvig. If I was mafia and BM is town, then I doubt BM has the coordination to pull off another townie pretending to be inventor instead of him. If I was town, and mafia knows I'm town, then they know that I'm probably telling the truth, and they will know you and BM's role.
So telling us whether you are compvig or not compvig only benefits town. So basically, if you claim compvig, everything's okay for now other than wtf why did you steal my role. If you claim not compvig then you and BM are under heavy scrutiny (or at least will be when I am revealed town). Have you not read anything Qatol or I have said about NOT claiming as claiming only helps the mafia? I said in my post, I will claim if it is necessary and bring impertinent information to the town. Right now me claiming does no good, so I'm not going to. You can be upset that you didn't get your role (if you're even telling the truth here), but that doesn't mean you have to force me to claim and help the mafia (but who am I kidding, you already did that yesterday, great job there btw). On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Yay another person trying to "subtly" poke holes in my credibility. Having fun over there with your buddy ~OpZ~?
Why do you care so much about this fact? Why are you putting so much emphasis on YOUR credibility? Nobody other than yourself knows that you are innocent (unless someone checked you or something), and yet you expect us to just blindly believe everything you say? You're sounding more and more like BM as the game goes on. You're honestly expecting everyone in the town to just believe everything you say. Saying this is what is causing me to doubt your credibility, not anything else you say. Furthermore, my paragraph in which I said those things had NOTHING to do with your credibility. It was about people lying in general, and I just picked you as an example. There are huge benefits in this game to lying about what role you got or what numbers you picked, no matter what side you are on (I can clarify this point if need be). I'm trying to raise this point up because people are just believing anyone is saying. At this stage in the game, some things are not adding up right with what everyone is saying. Somebody has to be lying, somebody who's talking a lot probably. There are things left unsaid that need to be answered (what did BM's invention actually do?). Opz wants to kill me and you're calling us buddies? o.O Maybe I want credibility because I'm sick and tired of being ignored? (notice how early I tried to focus on a lynch on day 1 yet we still managed to have a no lynch? People didn't even really argue about it? They just focused on the roles and didn't even worry about the lynch.) (additionally, notice that nobody other than opz has even mentioned that analysis of johnnyspazz - how is the guy this slippery when he isn't even posting?) Anyways, I'm done with this. Just don't stop reading my posts. If you disagree with the logic in them, point it out like Zona did earlier. Dismissing them out of hand or saying that I am expecting you to just follow them does not help anyone. If you aren't persuaded, tell me why. Please clarify your point about why you would want to lie about your numbers if you're innocent. Yeah, after thinking about it, I don't think there's any reason to lie about your numbers, especially now that the draft's far over and we kinda have an idea of who's what. I can be sympathetic of you being tired of being ignored. However first day you were here early, then you just disappeared for a long while, which didn't help your cause (yeah I know you were sick, but if you hadn't been and had been around during this time we'd be in a much different position about you methinks). And contrary, I haven't dismissed any of your posts, more of I'm questioning your attitude. I'm not persuaded because it seems to me you're taking up a BM attitude here: "guys, it's obvious I'm greener than grass, you should listen to me". Frankly, it's not obvious to us (although your constant activity right now helps). That's why I kept mentioning of thinking things from everyone's perspective, and to think of all possibilities, however ridiculous. As for Jspazzz, I will agree on your point that he is filler-posting and has yet to make a contribution of his own. Looking through past games quickly, I'd say he's about as active as during BM's game (a little less maybe) and about as active as during flamewheel's game. Both times he was green. I'll need to look through more games for a better consensus on that. If nobody has any better idea on who the CompVig should kill then we should go with that, especially if Amnesia gets modkilled. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote:On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Except you have something to contribute. If you took anything other than CompVig, you should have already roleclaimed because then we have a confirmed mafia in the first 3 players. Which is what I'm skeptical about when I mention this. In any other mafia game, it's not very well in a townspersons' interest to lie about their role. In this game it is very well in their interest. You claimed you picked copycat and didn't get the role. What I think is equally as likely (I'm not accusing you) is that you picked some other role instead. Let's assume for a moment that you are town. Given how much you emphasized in the thread you were taking copycat, it goes without saying that probably nobody below you picked it (and thus can't counter confirm your choice). Then after the picks were done you said in the thread, "hey guys I didn't get my role...wtf" (I'm paraphrasing obviously). Now the mafia think you're a green townie and won't bother hitting you. If you picked a good town role (a cop, medic, tracker, or something) you're in a great position to just do your thing for the next few days. What I'm trying to say is, even if I come out with information that says "hey guys...either BM or Korynne is lying", that doesn't necessarily mean one of us is mafia. I'll reserve my judgment on this until I see the first CompVig hit. But if they aren't following the town, you NEED to speak up. On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Really? You think Bill would lie about taking the inventor role? Here's the thing: If he's innocent, it doesn't help the town for him to lie about his role. It just makes us lynch people around him whether or not we actually have solid reads on them. I would hope that he is smart enough to see that. BM said before the picks went out that he didn't even want the inventor role. I think it's possible that nobody on the list picked inventor. Or if you're lower on the list, you picked inventor and got it, would you really come out and say so? Maybe, but if I was low on the list, and was actually the inventor, I'd be very very very scared about claiming. Hell I had second pick on the draft and I'm scared to claim as it is. And you're 'if' statement there says "If he's innocent,...". What if he's not? I'm just trying to account for all possibilities here, because it seems to me nobody else is. And I think that it is impossible that nobody picked the inventor because we saw a cell phone made. After Bill said that he was trying to make a town circle and something about being able to PM on day 4. After Bill was talking about making a town circle. It sure seems to me like he has the role or is working with the person that has it. And yes, if I were the one with the inventor role, I would roleclaim. Why? because it means we have found someone actively working against the town (Bill). Right, my bad on that, there must be an inventor. However, if BM didn't take inventor and it fell into the mafia hands, they might have incentive to keep quiet about it. And I still say BM could have picked a cop with a "i'm going to win this game for the town when i come out with all this information day 3!!!!" attitude. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote:On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Actually, that is wrong. Either you are town and legitimately got roleblocked (telling us there is a mafia roleblocker out there) or you are mafia and did not get roleblocked (telling us that there is no mafia roleblocker out there). I'd like to be able to figure out which of these cases is the truth. On May 05 2010 10:39 Foolishness wrote: I'm kinda confused by this. What I originally meant was that claiming you got roleblocked says nothing of whether you have a special role or not. You mention that either a town or mafia member could claim to get roleblocked, and what I was saying is that if someone claims to get roleblocked, it doesn't reveal much information. This would only help later in the game if they died or if someone had checked them or something. All I want to know is whether we have a roleblocker out there working against us. Personally, I'd like to know what the mafia can do. Maybe it won't matter, maybe we wind up in a situation where we should have a DT roleclaim while we drop our medic on them. I'd like to know if that is an option. Fair enough. The reason I'm taking this attitude is because I want people to think for themselves and realize that what I'm saying makes logical sense. The only true leap of faith I've asked of anyone so far was that I tried to take and didn't get copycat. I realize that this one is a leap of faith which I'm hoping my behavior will speak for. Other than that, I am hoping that my posts make sense from a logical point of view. Have I said anything else which you think requires a leap of faith? It means that the logic hasn't come through entirely, and that should be rectified.
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On May 05 2010 12:43 Zona wrote: Alright - I'm here and back to vote. Looks like no better target appeared, so sidesprang it is. Counted things up quickly though and I think sidesprang is already at majority of 9 votes, from: radfield falcynn citi.zen hobbes korynne scamp foolishness johnnyspazz opz
but just in case I've miscounted I'll throw mine down - probably just symbolic though.
##Vote: sidesprang
We should all join the compvig vote now, though, so there's no ambiguity. From my quick read of the new posts it seems johnnyspazz is the leading candidate? I voted for him too, it was just mixed into my super long post, so you might have missed it. I'll post it again just to be sure. [b]##Vote: sidesprang
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On May 05 2010 18:58 Bill Murray wrote: im the inventor radfield how can you even doubt that
medics protect me That depends. Are you going to cooperate with the town now and make one of the devices we have suggested? Or are you going to continue to make cell phones?
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First, an updated number list. + Show Spoiler [Bid list] + 1. Bill Murray - [17] [4] 2. Foolishness - [1] [1] 3. Korynne - [1] [5] 4. Falcynn [1] [5-20] or [4] [1] - hasn't claimed 5. [NyC]HoBbes - [4] [1] 6. ~OpZ~ - [4] [14] 7. d3_crescentia - [4] [14] 8. Caller - [6] [1] 9. sidesprang - [6] [1] Couldn't have lied about his numbers 10. Qatol - [6] [1] 11. JeeJee - [6] [1] 12. DarthThienAn - [8] [1] 13. johnnyspazz - [8] [4] 14. Amnesia [8] [4-20] or [10] [1] - hasn't claimed 15. Radfield - [10] [1] 16. Scamp - [10] [11] 17. Zona - [12] [1] 18. citi.zen - [12] [3]
Falcynn SERIOUSLY needs to come forward with his numbers. Groups: + Show Spoiler [Group 1] + + Show Spoiler [Group 2] + Foolishness Korynne Falcynn
+ Show Spoiler [Group 3] + Falcynn Hobbes ~OpZ~
d3_crescentia
+ Show Spoiler [Group 4] +
Caller
sidesprang Qatol JeeJee
+ Show Spoiler [Group 5] + DarthThienAn johnnyspazz
Amnesia
+ Show Spoiler [Group 6] + + Show Spoiler [Group 7] + Now this should presumably clear group #4. However, I'm still not entirely sure that JeeJee belongs IN group #4. Notice that he claimed his numbers after both DarthThienAn and I claimed ours. He could have gotten into the same spot in the drafting order with the numbers [8][1]. This is further complicated by johnnyspazz's presence in group 5. On the one hand, he didn't come forward with his numbers until after both Radfield and DarthThienAn came forward with theirs. On the other, it would be a horrible risk for him to lie about his numbers and then have Amnesia come foward with a contradicting set. I think it is unlikely that he lied about his numbers.
So there you have it. Logically, only one of johnnyspazz or JeeJee can be the mafia from group 5 (and I think it is one of them because I still think that Darth is the SK). Anyone want to make a case for hitting one of them over the other? We HAVE to CompVig one of them tonight.
Also, Zona, I seem to have broken the archive thread by accidentally typing a [ instead of a ] earlier. Could you fix it lest I make that thread ridiculously long?
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On May 06 2010 02:55 Falcynn wrote: My draft numbers? [1][7]
I didn't read the thread before I put in my numbers, and I was preparing for the filmrace so I never bothered checking if the town was organizing someway of having people pick numbers. Sorry if my numbers turned out to be anti-town. It isn't that. It's just that having a complete list helps the town significantly. Short version is that having the numbers lets us group players. We think it is unlikely that the mafia deliberately picked the same numbers. Therefore, if you find a mafia in a group of people who picked a certain number, you won't find another one there and can check off the rest of the group as mostly-confirmed town/SK. I really wish we had gotten Amnesia's numbers before he was modkilled.
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On May 05 2010 23:14 citi.zen wrote: Sidersprang wasn't lynched because he was terribly suspect, but because he didn't really reply + we thought we might get more info on other people from lynching him. We got lucky with our lynch, which is great, but remember the mafia KP is the same whatever happens.
For tonight, I still like alignment kits as our invention - the chance of hitting a red by shooting into the crowd are now even lower. Alternatively - what do we think of making some meth-bomb-like item which would not kill all visitors, only the shooter? If enough townies have those the reds eventually kill themselves.
I need to review people's posts relative to Sidersprang. I can't believe I missed this earlier. No bombs please. I don't trust that day 1 cell phone not to be a detonator. Please let's just stick with something that prevents hits. We are losing town members too fast. I like the security camera/trip wire idea suggested earlier if ace allows it (prevents the hit and shows you your attacker). Otherwise, just something that turns a player into a veteran would be quite useful.
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On May 06 2010 03:06 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 23:34 Radfield wrote:I have to disagree with you Citizen, sidesprang was lynched because several things pointed to him being the mafia copycat. The only other real option was him being a very bad townie. But moving on. JeeJee has information right now that pretty much no one else does. i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here either that or hobbes is mafia for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it. then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here Now that sidesprang is gone, JeeJee is claiming that he tried for a role and failed to get it. Which means that someone above him has his role. He also is claiming that whoever that person is, is failing to use it in a pro-town manner. I've looked through the roles, and I really can't figure out which role he could be talking about though. DayVig is the only one that seems likely. As far as who might have the role? In my mind the options are Opz, Falcynn or Hobbes. Bm and Foolishness have inventor and CV, if Korynne was lying about her pick then Foolishness would have outted her, Qatol is almost certainly telling the truth about trying for CopyCat, and everyone else is dead. Another possibility is that Foolishness and Korynne are both mafia, but I think this unlikely. So JeeJee, if you truly think that whoever took your role is anti-town, then you should role claim, because you will likely lead us to a mafia. However, I leave the final judgement up to you, no point in outing a pro-town player's role. you are correct, i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue. what's the plan with inventions this night? i'm still leaning towards alignment kits. maybe you can get creative and get a gun with special bullets .. if you hit a mafia, they die, if you hit a townie, nothing happens. its like an alignment kit with bullets, whooo =) Absolutely not. The mafia want to speed this game up. It's the only way they win. We already have some good suspects right now. We do NOT need alignment kits. And I'm not sure the person with the gun won't die immediately. Please stick to something that keeps players alive.
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On May 06 2010 03:34 JeeJee wrote: ^ you realize inventions just last one night right? so if bill guesses wrong (which is quite likely, ask any doc) no info is gained, no townie is saved. with an alignment kit we have persistent information. Where did you get that? I don't see any indication that inventions last one night.
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On May 06 2010 03:48 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +Also, to be clear, I was not imagining a one time use dt kit. I meant an invention that permanently gives someone dt abilities. Show nested quote +it's a one time deal, radfield, it doesn't work like that. i just had that clarified. Okay wow. That was apparently buried in the thread somewhere? I'm still unsure how that would interact with a vet ability. One DT check =/= one night of vet armor (because the player can use the DT check any night). However, if you are right about that, then I'll agree with you that we should be looking for an alignment check kit or possibly a tracking kit.
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On May 06 2010 04:08 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 03:06 JeeJee wrote:On May 05 2010 23:34 Radfield wrote:I have to disagree with you Citizen, sidesprang was lynched because several things pointed to him being the mafia copycat. The only other real option was him being a very bad townie. But moving on. JeeJee has information right now that pretty much no one else does. i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here either that or hobbes is mafia for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it. then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here Now that sidesprang is gone, JeeJee is claiming that he tried for a role and failed to get it. Which means that someone above him has his role. He also is claiming that whoever that person is, is failing to use it in a pro-town manner. I've looked through the roles, and I really can't figure out which role he could be talking about though. DayVig is the only one that seems likely. As far as who might have the role? In my mind the options are Opz, Falcynn or Hobbes. Bm and Foolishness have inventor and CV, if Korynne was lying about her pick then Foolishness would have outted her, Qatol is almost certainly telling the truth about trying for CopyCat, and everyone else is dead. Another possibility is that Foolishness and Korynne are both mafia, but I think this unlikely. So JeeJee, if you truly think that whoever took your role is anti-town, then you should role claim, because you will likely lead us to a mafia. However, I leave the final judgement up to you, no point in outing a pro-town player's role. you are correct, i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue. what's the plan with inventions this night? i'm still leaning towards alignment kits. maybe you can get creative and get a gun with special bullets .. if you hit a mafia, they die, if you hit a townie, nothing happens. its like an alignment kit with bullets, whooo =) I love the invention suggestion. How can this harm the town? Swift justice + lasting info. Call it... the silver bullet gun. DT kit v. 2.0. Easy. Do you trust Bill not to make a regular gun but have the same name? How about he makes another one after that? And then the mafia all fire their guns the same night.
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On May 06 2010 04:21 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 04:15 Qatol wrote:On May 06 2010 04:08 citi.zen wrote:On May 06 2010 03:06 JeeJee wrote:On May 05 2010 23:34 Radfield wrote:I have to disagree with you Citizen, sidesprang was lynched because several things pointed to him being the mafia copycat. The only other real option was him being a very bad townie. But moving on. JeeJee has information right now that pretty much no one else does. i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here either that or hobbes is mafia for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it. then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here Now that sidesprang is gone, JeeJee is claiming that he tried for a role and failed to get it. Which means that someone above him has his role. He also is claiming that whoever that person is, is failing to use it in a pro-town manner. I've looked through the roles, and I really can't figure out which role he could be talking about though. DayVig is the only one that seems likely. As far as who might have the role? In my mind the options are Opz, Falcynn or Hobbes. Bm and Foolishness have inventor and CV, if Korynne was lying about her pick then Foolishness would have outted her, Qatol is almost certainly telling the truth about trying for CopyCat, and everyone else is dead. Another possibility is that Foolishness and Korynne are both mafia, but I think this unlikely. So JeeJee, if you truly think that whoever took your role is anti-town, then you should role claim, because you will likely lead us to a mafia. However, I leave the final judgement up to you, no point in outing a pro-town player's role. you are correct, i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue. what's the plan with inventions this night? i'm still leaning towards alignment kits. maybe you can get creative and get a gun with special bullets .. if you hit a mafia, they die, if you hit a townie, nothing happens. its like an alignment kit with bullets, whooo =) I love the invention suggestion. How can this harm the town? Swift justice + lasting info. Call it... the silver bullet gun. DT kit v. 2.0. Easy. Do you trust Bill not to make a regular gun but have the same name? How about he makes another one after that? And then the mafia all fire their guns the same night. Is there a way we can confirm Bill as town? Or anyone for that matter? I'm inclined to think Radfield for one is town, as he led us to sidesprang, who turned out to be mafia. Call it luck if you want, but no way that mafia would kill each other with only 4 in the game. If you believe my list theory, then I am somewhat confirmed (I was in a group with sidesprang). However, because it was my theory, I won't go there. Radfield is the other player I would agree is almost certainly town. He has had very good logic this entire game and the sidesprang catch was very good. I guess I'm okay with Radfield getting a gun with a silver bullet. But I don't trust anyone else with it, and I'm worried that he may not survive the night.
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On May 06 2010 04:37 Bill Murray wrote:quit filling people's heads with absolute SHIT. seriously.you're saying there's NO CHANCE you and jeejee did that on purpose for a ploy to look innocent? you're saying there's NO CHANCE one of you isn't the serial killer? give me a damn break Really? What about my claim is shit exactly? I have already said that I am not going to clear myself with my own theory. I have already said that JeeJee very well could have lied about his numbers because he claimed them after I claimed mine. I have said that this list only clears out mafia, not the Serial Killer. Hell, even in that statement I said "presumably." For god's sake, at least give me civility if you won't give me the benefit of the doubt AFTER we JUST caught the mafia with the copycat role. What exactly is your problem? And tell us, what are you inventing?
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On May 06 2010 04:47 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 04:15 Qatol wrote:On May 06 2010 04:08 citi.zen wrote:On May 06 2010 03:06 JeeJee wrote:On May 05 2010 23:34 Radfield wrote:I have to disagree with you Citizen, sidesprang was lynched because several things pointed to him being the mafia copycat. The only other real option was him being a very bad townie. But moving on. JeeJee has information right now that pretty much no one else does. i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here either that or hobbes is mafia for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it. then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here Now that sidesprang is gone, JeeJee is claiming that he tried for a role and failed to get it. Which means that someone above him has his role. He also is claiming that whoever that person is, is failing to use it in a pro-town manner. I've looked through the roles, and I really can't figure out which role he could be talking about though. DayVig is the only one that seems likely. As far as who might have the role? In my mind the options are Opz, Falcynn or Hobbes. Bm and Foolishness have inventor and CV, if Korynne was lying about her pick then Foolishness would have outted her, Qatol is almost certainly telling the truth about trying for CopyCat, and everyone else is dead. Another possibility is that Foolishness and Korynne are both mafia, but I think this unlikely. So JeeJee, if you truly think that whoever took your role is anti-town, then you should role claim, because you will likely lead us to a mafia. However, I leave the final judgement up to you, no point in outing a pro-town player's role. you are correct, i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue. what's the plan with inventions this night? i'm still leaning towards alignment kits. maybe you can get creative and get a gun with special bullets .. if you hit a mafia, they die, if you hit a townie, nothing happens. its like an alignment kit with bullets, whooo =) I love the invention suggestion. How can this harm the town? Swift justice + lasting info. Call it... the silver bullet gun. DT kit v. 2.0. Easy. Do you trust Bill not to make a regular gun but have the same name? How about he makes another one after that? And then the mafia all fire their guns the same night. This is your strangest comment yet Qatol. If you do not trust Bill this entire discussion is worthless. It makes no difference if you ask him to make invention X or Y - if he works for the mafia he will make what he wants or change the properties of the invention how he wants. I don't get it. Actually, it makes perfect sense. The thing is, if Bill is working for the mafia, he will want to give out as many inventions as he possibly can before we catch him. To do that, he has to give out inventions which seem to be helping the town when they will actually help the mafia in the long run. If we are asking him to give out guns, what is to stop him from giving out his "guns" to mafia members and either claim that they went to people who just died or just say they went to the mafia members? Then the mafia can just go on a shooting spree in a few nights and close out the game.
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On May 06 2010 04:49 Bill Murray wrote: and by "claim" i meant "this clears list 4" because it really doesn't clear anything. if you would have said "this makes it much less likely that jeejee and i are mafia, but we could still be a serial killer so you cant trust anyone if you are town-aligned" I would completely agree.
I am also not trying to be an asshole, it comes naturally, and I am grumpy in the morning Okay, I will agree with that statement. I thought "presumably" covered it. Sorry, I apparently wasn't clear. This list pulls some suspicion off myself and JeeJee as far as being mafia, but does nothing towards us being Serial Killer. Good?
On May 06 2010 04:51 Bill Murray wrote: furthermore, i DO feel like your list is useful. i DO feel like you are pro-town, but i DO want to win so i'm trying to take into account every possible scenario.
I am considering giving foolishness a laptop that will enable him to do an alignment check Please don't call it a laptop. Please call it an alignment check kit. You need to be more transparent with what your inventions do. Remember, our only descriptions of your inventions come from the names themselves. A laptop just has WAY too many potential uses other than alignment checks.
Also, why foolishness? We don't know if we trust him at all until he makes a night kill.
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