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On May 09 2010 05:19 Korynne wrote: I guess if that's what it comes down to. =(
If Falcynn is mafia I'm blaming it all on you Qatol. xD If Qatol turns out mafia then it's citi.zen's fault for clearing you. =P
With a good amount of you wanting me dead I don't suppose there's anything I can do about it. Foolishness has been wanting to get his hands on me for ages. xP
I guess I'm okay with this plan, I could always try to argue between me and Falcynn if/after OpZ turns out town.
So we all good with lynching OpZ then? (other than OpZ, of course. xD)
I'd like to hear if OpZ has a roleclaim before he is lynched. Arrgghhh this is why I want to kill you, you shouldn't be wanting to die just like that, especially if you're innocent. You should be far from okay with this plan.
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On May 09 2010 04:47 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 23:29 citi.zen wrote: LOL @ foolish(ness).
So... with Zona red I am more inclined to think Qatol is town. Not sure who I like as red and on weekends I always have less time. Opz seems like a good candidate, and am OK lynching foolishness too. We decided that the final lynch or lose situation is slightly easier if we don't kill Foolishness now. You are probably taking the mafia hit tonight (because of your numbers), so please pick all 3 hits you want to see done. That leaves 4 players for our first 2 hits: Korynne, OpZ, Falcynn, and myself. If you want to take me off the list too, that leaves Korynne, OpZ, and Falcynn. Please pick 2 of them. Then add Foolishness to the list and pick 1 more player. Apparently Foolishness can't shoot himself. Unfortunate. That said, the two I would like to see take a hit are Korynne and OpZ. Sorry OpZ, I know we are using you a bit. However, do you see what kind of situation we are placed in? You, Korynne, and Falcynn will likely each push for the other 2 to die right now. That leaves the other 3 of us to figure out who to lynch/CompVig. I just don't see Falcynn being able to make the night hit on JeeJee. (I checked his posts and basically all of his posts in the last week have either been here or in a blog about his film. I think his activity levels are at least the same on TL as they are here.) That leaves me with Korynne and OpZ. I'm okay with dealing with you two in either order. However, I'm thinking I want OpZ to go first because of Korynne's CompVig claim. Yes, I realize that OpZ claimed he also went for it and missed, but Korynne claimed first. I think it is more likely that she does not have a role. Meanwhile, with OpZ's newfound interest in the BP role, I think there is a possibility that he has said role. If we want to kill the two, we need to lynch him and shoot her. It can't be the other way around. The only reason I can see for going after Falcynn is in the hopes that he has the Jack role. So I guess I'm advocating this order: OpZ, Korynne, Foolishness. Thoughts citi.zen? Foolishness? Well, obviously I'm not okay with this plan as it involves killing me. And isn't it fortunate that I can't shoot myself?
Pertaining to the parts of the plan that do not involve me, however, I agree that if we're going to lynch Opz we should do it during the day instead of at night. I posted earlier that I was skeptical about Opz because he claimed he picked a role without reading the thread, which I think is incredibly odd. Looking at the role list, it's easy to see that CompVig is one of the best roles to choose from, and given he was 6 on the draft list it doesn't seem sensible to choose it.
Falcynn's recent inactivity has me thinking he might be mafia. I don't think he has a role though because he doesn't strike me as the type to lie about having one. I've also noticed that in a lot of games he plays as if he was a first time noob, and says things like, "but I'm just a noob at this game so I don't know any better", and "this is just my noob perspective". And every time he says these things he's innocent (I can think of two games off the top of my head); I remember because I always think he's mafia when he says stuff like that, but he turns out innocent every time. The overall point I'm making is that this game I don't think I've heard him say anything of the sort, and thus he's deviating from his normal innocent play.
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On May 09 2010 06:17 Korynne wrote: Regarding the Falcynn thing though, I'm pretty sure he's said that. Falcynn's basically said: I was away for my filming thing [insert a bit of advertising for it] The other thing was that he did mention the whole well I'm trying to contribute people complained about that in previous games and I always agree with people etc etc. I can find that post for you if you don't find it Foolishness, but he does mention something like I'm trying to participate more kinda thing.
Why do you keep going back to the same thing Foolishness? So if I say OH MY GAWD I DONT WANNA DIE DONT KILL ME you'll be okay with not lynching me? I mean if you keep repeating that it's scummy then it's not like as a scum or a townie I would want to keep doing that if I wanted to get rid of your suspicions. But seriously I don't see the point here, it's like when XeliN was like omg you didn't claim town to me so you suspicious. But like, who cares, it's not like as a townie or as a mafia I would pick differently in my opinion. If I'm doing something so obviously scummy and I keep doing it then like, it's just me doing it... you can't really take anything out of it other than your first instinct of that's scummy, and nothing I can do now will change that.
Like I said, I'll wait 'til after OpZ is lynched to deal with defending myself and what nots. Let's get this first one over with. Everyone's pretty much like yeah okay Foolishness is going to be lynched tomorrow, it's not like you're jumping on defending yourself either. So should I assume you're mafia because you're doing what you said is scummy? >_> I am defending myself in my posts. I know I told everyone not to read page 44, but if you look near the bottom at my post where I outline what would happen if Zona was alive and I was mafia with him, we almost had the game instantly won. Now factor in the fact that I miscounted the number of townspeople, so we'd actually be in a much better position. Obviously we'll have to redo the counting to see the result, but the overall point is I wouldn't have modkilled my mafia buddy if I was indeed mafia like everyone suspects.
I'll be okay with not lynching you if you actually tried to defend yourself instead of passively agreeing to this town plan that involves killing you.
At the same time, the reason I'm not heavily defending myself in my posts is for the same reason you said above in your last paragraph. You said you'll wait until after Opz is lynched to defend yourself. I'm more or less just going to wait until tomorrow to defend myself as well. Everyone seems to have agreed to hold off on killing me until tomorrow, and I figure we're better off discussing who might be mafia now while everyone's alive then worry solely about me defending myself. Unless ya'll think it's pertinent that I defend myself ahead of time we should be thinking about potential lynches.
Consequently, if we've all agreed to the plan to lynch Opz, kill you at night and lynch me tomorrow, Opz should be defending himself and you should wait until after he's lynched to defend yourself (and I do believe that's what you just said you would do).
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On May 09 2010 09:21 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2010 06:29 Qatol wrote:On May 09 2010 06:20 citi.zen wrote: ## vote OpZ## Could you contribute more on secondary suspects at some point please? It doesn't have to be now, but it has to be before the next day post. Oh, and ##vote OpZ## Yup, after the lynching. Why not now? Gonna wait until we all decide who to lynch so you don't accidentally slip up?
Is Opz at majority already?
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On May 09 2010 11:29 Qatol wrote: Korynne/Foolishness: vote please. Right now we aren't lynching anyone unless Ace decides to count Korynne's pseudo-vote on page 46. As I just outlined, it is in the best interest of the town to lynch right now. That answer's my question I guess
##Vote ~Opz~
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My vote is still on Korynne
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On May 10 2010 05:29 Korynne wrote: If you absolutely hate me Foolishness you could always just compvig me since either way you're getting lynched tomorrow. =P And then you'll feel miserable when mafia wins
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Or you'll feel good if you are the mafia.
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On May 10 2010 07:11 Korynne wrote: Why would I feel good if I was mafia and instigated you to kill me... And yes, if you killed me when Falcynn was mafia I would be like... oh shi- xD No I mean when you kill me tomorrow and I turn up clean, you'll feel good because you won the game.
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On May 10 2010 10:32 Korynne wrote: Psh, kill the self promoter! xD
I honestly don't know what to do at this point. I know I'm not mafia, and I don't sense like you're all /that/ mafia... and like Foolishness I've been suspicious of all game... citi.zen or Qatol will probably be killed tonight... bleh, guess we'll find out how things go... I'd laugh really hard if I turned up dead after night's end. I'd also pay good money to see the reaction on everyones' faces.
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On May 10 2010 11:18 Korynne wrote: I don't think it's useful for mafia to kill you tonight. If I'm mafia, killing you tonight = me citi.zen Qatol = me dead If you're mafia, you obviously won't kill yourself xD If Qatol's mafia, killing citi.zen = qatol, me, foolishness = either you or me die If citizen is mafia, kill Qatol = citizen, me, foolishness = either you or me die If Falcynn is mafia, then we win tonight.
So basically, if Qatol or citizen is mafia we've pretty much lost the game I would think... but that's kind of like a we got out-thinked or some shit. It's basically between me and Foolishness tomorrow, and either citi.zen or Qatol will be dead tonight.
I mean if we no-lynch the first day, then mafia pretty much has to kill foolishness tonight to prevent us from getting a third kill tomorrow before we die.
So yeah... You forgot to mention the part about who you would kill if you were mafia. Didn't want to give it away before the day post came out eh?
In all honesty I'm pretty sure you would've killed Qatol or citizen though, I'm just being sarcastic there.
Korynne, are you and I both going to eliminate citizen as potential mafia here? As far as I know, you're my top suspect, and I'm your top suspect, just want to make sure we don't overlook the obvious here.
The important point to bring up about citizen is probably Qatol's number logic. It seems silly to think two of the mafia members would both pick twelve as their first number. HOWEVER, we do know for a fact that people went as far as picking their roles without reading the thread, so it is possible that a mafia could have picked his numbers without checking in with his buddies first. I don't find it particularly likely knowing citizen and Zona are both frequent players though.
citizen do you want to roleclaim something? Now's the time to do it. You've been one of two people who haven't said anything the entire game about their role or what they chose.
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Ahhh I am so screwed.
I want to say that none of my actions could coincide with being mafia. I'm going to reiterate this scenario as I tried to before on page 44 (which nobody must read):
If I was mafia, it makes no sense for me to modkill my mafia teammate, who we all know was the pardoner. Assuming a best case scenario, let's say that Hobbes got modkill but Zona did not. That means there would be 2 mafia and 5 townspeople alive. It seems pretty easy to see that if the town did not lynch a mafia member, it would be game over (assuming there's no saves or extra hits thrown in there). Now if you guys decided to lynch Zona, he'd be able to pardon himself (not sure if this is actually a legit move, but I think it is...) and it would go straight to nighttime. After night there'd be 2 mafia and 3 townspeople alive. If you lynched Zona again, and I'm pretty sure you can't pardon the same person twice, there'd be 1 mafia and 3 townspeople. But it would go to night, I'd kill 2 people, and there'd be 1 mafia and 1 townsperson alive, and I would win.
If we were in this situation were there was 2 mafia and 5 townspeople, and I was indeed mafia with Zona, the ONLY way the town could win is by choosing to lynch me first, so that you could kill me the next day and then kill Zona. Given that you guys unanimously decided to leave me alive until the end, that wouldn't have happened. So we would have had the game pretty much instantly won.
Even assuming that Zona wouldn't be able to pardon himself, you guys would have had to lynch him in order to win, and then subsequently lynch me.
The point I'm trying to make here is: Why would I give up being in a nearly instant win situation if I was the mafia?
I was already under scrutiny by Qatol and Korynne before the modkills, it doesn't make sense for me to have tried to modkill those guys when it was pretty clear I would be dead in another day or two.
I'd also like to point out that if I had killed Qatol last night I'd only be incriminating myself further. Qatol seemed incredibly sure I was mafia, me killing him is basically saying "yup...I'm mafia". WHY WOULD I DO THAT?
None of the actions so far make sense if I was mafia. If I was mafia, that basically means I gave up playing days ago and just said "...well fuck it" as nearly everything I've done is asking for myself to get killed.
I'm not the mafia.
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For you citizen:
On May 08 2010 12:05 Qatol wrote: Ace, Hobbes hasn't posted in something like 2 days 6 hours. Zona hasn't posted in almost 2 days. Can we get a warning or something here?
On May 08 2010 12:07 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2010 12:05 Qatol wrote: Ace, Hobbes hasn't posted in something like 2 days 6 hours. Zona hasn't posted in almost 2 days. Can we get a warning or something here? I like just killing them both. I said to kill them, Qatol said give a warning. 3 hours is hardly anytime to post.
On May 10 2010 21:15 citi.zen wrote: If you are red korynne you are incredibly awesome. I mean... from the post about the roleblocker to the choice of 5 as your second number when all reds thus far chose 1 - it would all have to be an amazingly deep game. And if I go there I can persuade myself of anything ( hello Qatol).
Foolishness on the other hand I can easily see as red. From the first post about qatol crying after he got outsmarted to the last two posts, leaving himself room to vote for me if korynne will - it's all pretty scummy.
I'll take the simple explanation for once. How does a choice in a second number reflect innocence?
I think you're misinterpreting me not voting. I asked Korynne if she had any inclination to you being mafia, and I gave my reasons why I don't think you are mafia. I'm analyzing all sides of this puzzle because I'm innocent. Yes, I've been harping on Korynne all game, so of course she's still my number one pick, but I considered you as an option in case I got ahead of myself.
That said, Korynne hardly said anything in regards to you except "Yeah, I agree, I don't see how citizen is mafia". Don't you think it's odd that she's not taking it into consideration? Her attitude is "hurry up lets kill Foolishness", and not "Well I'm nearly certain it's Foolishness, but let's make sure citizen is legit as well". I wasn't trying to get Korynne to vote for you, I'm trying to figure things out.
Also, you seem to imply that this was my "plan" of some sort, to try to get you lynched. Considering you have voted for Qatol to be lynched for 2 days this game, wouldn't it make more sense for me to kill Korynne and leave Qatol alive (I vigi'd Falcynn incase there was any confusion) and then try to convince you "yeah Qatol's sure scum, you are right"?
This brings me back to my original point that if I was mafia none of my actions (particularly my kill choices) make sense. I've already laid out that if I was mafia, Zona being alive gave us a really really good chance of winning, and I would have no reason to throw that away given how much suspicion I was under. The night kills don't reflect what I would be doing if I was mafia; all the night kills just point more and more fingers at me. Isn't it a bit odd for me to incriminate myself? It's because I'm town.
On May 10 2010 22:40 Korynne wrote: Well I'm confirmed green since I didn't vote for Foolishness. So Foolishness, do you have any argument for citizen or should I hammer you now? I don't see how this means you're green. Please explain.
On May 10 2010 20:45 Korynne wrote: Well I know I'm not mafia. =\ I get kinda the same vibe from foolishness as I did from the other few people we lynched, as in like it feels like they're innocent.
But I really can't see how it's citi.zen. =\ That would be so lame... especially considering the fact that mafia would've had to go like 12 12.
Any last words Foolishness? D= (I mean if I was mafia you'd be dead by now, so like I think that makes me innocent? >.<) Another point I'd like to bring up about your last paragraph here. If you were mafia you wouldn't kill me because you know the town wants to lynch me. Also, you killing me at night is basically telling the town that you are mafia (think about it this way. I make a bunch of posts saying why I think Korynne is mafia. I press the fact that I think Korynne is mafia into the next day. Then I turn up dead after night.) It's really common idea for the mafia to try to kill those who want them dead. Last year's summer mafia game, the mafia killed myself and Caller first night because we both thought Pyrry was mafia (and he was). The difference is this late in the game you can't kill those who are calling you out because it makes you look really sketchy.
And now I don't even know why I mentioned all this. Why would Korynne kill me if she knows the town is probably going to lynch me? Would you have killed me last night if you were mafia? Of course not.
I'll be back later to say more.
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On May 11 2010 03:14 Korynne wrote: What do you mean this means nothing? Citi.zen voted for Foolishness, if I was mafia, I would vote for Foolishness and then win the game. What's there not to get here... so clearly I am now town and Foolishness should present his case against citi.zen, because clearly you're the main suspect here.
What do I think about it? Foolishness obviously is compvig, this was confirmed when BM said he is inventor. I was sitting around going well why would what bill said mean anything, and then realized that it has something to do with a roleblocker, hence I pointed that out in the ban thread since BM seems to keep saying his post doesn't tell town anything.
Like I said, if me not voting for Foolishness immediately after citi.zen votes for him doesn't clear me as townie, I don't know what would other than lynching me. -.- Just because it's majority lynch does not mean the day ends when a majority is reached. The rules specifically say "Day last 24 hours". Also consider that each day prior to this has always been 24 hours (give or take a few) and hasn't just ended when a majority was reached. I don't see how this confirms anything.
I would also think it against the spirit of the game to have majority lynch when there's so few people. It seems reasonable that a person should at least get a chance to say something to defend him/her self. This is beside the point though.
On May 11 2010 04:28 Korynne wrote: Well now that citi.zen is settled.
#1 Foolishness convince me why citizen looks more suspicious than you. #2 We lynch Foolishness today.
Looks like I get to be the confirmed townie that gets to decide if we win or lose this game, woo. >_> You look more suspicious.
I'm going to look at it from this point of view. Who would have the mafia killed last night if each of us were mafia. I vigi'd Falcynn as voted on by the town. This leaves 4 players: Foolishness, Korynne, Qatol, citizen. We know that Qatol died.
1) I'm mafia: I'd kill Korynne. citizen has voted Qatol the past two days, it would make sense for me to capitalize on this and hope citizen would still want to kill Qatol. 2) Korynne is mafia. Korynne would want me alive because she knows I'm top candidate for lynch. Thus her choices are Qatol or citizen. Citizen may have a role as he hasn't claimed or not claimed anything. It would probably make more sense to hit Qatol in case citizen turned out to be a veteran or a bulletproof or something. Plus, hitting Qatol makes me look more guilty as it would seem I'm trying to kill the person who suspects me most. Hitting citizen would produce the same result (Qatol would try to kill me) but the added risk that he's some role makes Qatol safer. 3) citizen is mafia. Citizen would kill Korynne. Citizen knows that Qatol is about to come out with some analysis against me, and based on Qatol's numbers, I would be the only one left to lynch that makes sense.
It seems to me that Qatol's death would only follow from Korynne being mafia. ##Vote Korynne. If I was mafia, I'd have no reason to hit Qatol as I'd want to play off of citizen's suspicion that Qatol is mafia. Me killing Qatol is basically asking for myself to get lynched. I'm a townsperson.
citizen, I want you to take a look at the broader perspective of Korynne and I trying to get each other lynch. Starting days ago, I provided reasons why I think Korynne is mafia stemming from her behavior as the game went on. I stand by what I said in that I think Korynne is mafia, and I have thought that since those posts were created.
Korynne, while doing a good job in defending herself, has yet to actually say anything incriminating about me. Think of it this way, if Korynne really was innocent, as soon as day started, she would think, "okay, Qatol had some analysis sealing the deal on Foolishness. Let me try to reproduce that". Yes, she isn't Qatol, nor maybe she hasn't considered any of this, but the fact is there's very little analysis about myself being mafia.
You've seen her posts as soon as day starts. Don't you think that her attitude seems like, "let's hurry up and lynch foolishness" instead of trying to find reasons to back her claim? It seems very odd to me. I brought up possible arguments that you are mafia because I want to make sure I'm voting for the right person. As I said before, I laid out reasons why you could be mafia, but then ruled you out as a possibility. Korynne has not done any of this, and instead is just "going with the plan" so to say. Why do you think all her posts have been 9 lines or less this day so far? I recall her making much longer posts when I was calling her out earlier in the game.
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I'd like for you to also notice something about Korynne's behavior:
On May 11 2010 03:14 Korynne wrote: Like I said, if me not voting for Foolishness immediately after citi.zen votes for him doesn't clear me as townie, I don't know what would other than lynching me. -.-
On May 10 2010 22:40 Korynne wrote: Well I'm confirmed green since I didn't vote for Foolishness. So Foolishness, do you have any argument for citizen or should I hammer you now?
On May 10 2010 20:45 Korynne wrote: Well I know I'm not mafia. =\
On May 10 2010 10:32 Korynne wrote: I honestly don't know what to do at this point. I know I'm not mafia, and I don't sense like you're all /that/ mafia... and like Foolishness I've been suspicious of all game... citi.zen or Qatol will probably be killed tonight... bleh, guess we'll find out how things go... Notice the constant "I know I'm green...", "I know I'm innocent..." talk. While most of these posts occurred recently, this has been recurring throughout the game.
I think you have been around long enough to know that is usually a mafia sign. If not, I can point you to a game where L was saying the exact same things when he was mafia.
On May 11 2010 04:28 Korynne wrote: Looks like I get to be the confirmed townie that gets to decide if we win or lose this game, woo. >_> Are you not bothered by this the way I am? There's hardly a defense of her innocence, and there wasn't even one when we decided to vigi Falcynn instead of Korynne. She is not defending herself because she probably doesn't want to screw up, which is why she has a hasty attitude (I mentioned this earlier). I'm trying to explain to you that this is exactly what I was pointing out days ago. She is continually pointing the decision to her, and that she could have majority lynched me if she wanted to a few hours ago (even though this is not how it works).
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On May 07 2010 10:57 Ace wrote: Day 3 vote count - With 12 alive it is 7 to lynch!
DarthTheinAn(7) Radfield Qatol Korynne JeeJee citizen Foolishness ~Opz~
Korynne(2)
Foolishness [NyC]HoBbes
citizen DarthTheinAn
DarthTheinAn will be lynched at 12:23 AM ET/ 13:23 KST (~3 hours from now). Any roles that can act between now and then may do so.
By the way, I voted for Darth at a time that would almost get him lynched (I actually think the vote count is wrong here because I distinctly remember casting my vote thinking that it would be majority). So now I as the mafia was responsible for 2 of my teammates' deaths (I could have just gone mia and not changed my vote easily).
None of the mafia's actions are fluent with me being mafia. Remember that you saying I'm mafia means you think I gave up a scenario where the mafia nearly had an instant win. Nobody would give that up.
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I'll be back before day ends
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On May 11 2010 07:37 Korynne wrote: citi.zen's the one who's all hasty and omg let's lynch foolishness.
I am 90% sure the day "ends" when you reach majority vote. As in like, day might continue to 24 hours just so people don't get screwed up schedules and have to wake up at like 4am to play.
I'm not defending myself because I was under the impression that once majority is reached then we lynch that person when the day is over. Ace can you clarify on this point?
If I have the let's hurry up and lynch foolishness attitude I would've done it already given my impression of the game. I'm the one saying does Foolishness have anything to say etc. rather than what citi.zen is doing, which is well I'm voting for Foolishness and that's that.
I agree with you that the person should have the ability to say something, which is why I said let's hear from Foolishness and I haven't voted yet.
I was under the impression that everyone would want to kill citi.zen or Qatol, since they seemed most town.
citi.zen already said don't lynch qatol. Qatol said he thinks Foolishness is the last mafia. So way to use old information to support your innocence...
If I was mafia I would've killed citi.zen because he hasn't been saying much so he could be all over the place (not to mention Qatol said he thinks Foolishness is the last mafia). Just like how last game I killed hobbes instead of XeliN because even though XeliN jumps on me a lot, hobbes is quiet so I don't know what he's thinking. If citi.zen or Qatol was mafia they would just kill off the other one because you and me are a lot more suspicious than either of them.
What I don't get, Foolishness, is that you've never actually came out and said you were compvig. Even after it was pretty much completely obvious.
Also if we follow Qatol's number theory, [1][1] would be a rather reasonable thing to pick, a) in case everyone or most people picked duplicates, b) to remove vets like L or BM claiming 1,1 and then owning shit. Also, we clearly said foolishness pick roleblocker and let me take compvig. So you just arbitrarily stole that role from me, making you very scummy looking and you've just kind of avoided that whole conversation of why you decided to take compvig. You still picked 1,5 am I correct? The second number doesn't matter so much as the first according to the number theory. I think you are as just as much guilty as I am if we look just from a number perspective. That's why I haven't used that as an argument.
I think it's foolish for both of you to expect me to blindly agree with your plan and pick roleblocker. While my instinct did say that Qatol was innocent, it was too early in the game to go following one's plan. What if both Qatol and you had been mafia and this was part of some scheme? What if Qatol was mafia and was doing it to make sure his mafia team got the roles they wanted? There were too many possibilities, I wasn't about to go following his plan.
He even pointed out in a post that I get "paranoid" in mafia games and cited an example of a previous game where I lied about knowing a vigilante. BM even said in the thread he didn't want to take Inventor, and I'll honestly tell you I was highly considering taking it because I didn't think he would.
And I repeated it again and again that announcing my role only benefits the mafia. And nobody argued that point with me. Perhaps half the town claiming green was the reason you were able to kill all the blue roles so fast.
On May 11 2010 07:41 Korynne wrote: My entire oh look I'm confirmed green statement today is based on the fact that I thought (not sure correctly or incorrectly at this point) it just requires majority to lynch. So sure, if Ace says lynch only occurs at the end of the day whether majority is reached or not, then I take back the confirmed town statement.
I don't understand why you're so eager on pushing for my lynch and don't look at citi.zen at all. Right now look at it from my perspective. citi.zen stated that he's definitely voting for you. So you should try to convince me to vote for citi.zen, and that's all I've been asking for you to do (as in present your point regarding citi.zen). This repeatedly attacking me thing doesn't get anywhere because it's not like I'm going to vote for myself over you...
The only reason I haven't voted for you is to hear your case against citi.zen I did make a case for citizen. I'll give you that it wasn't the most thought out accusation, but I said why it could be the case that citizen is mafia, then I ruled it out based on the numbers. And all you had to say in regards to it was:
On May 10 2010 20:45 Korynne wrote: But I really can't see how it's citi.zen. =\ That would be so lame... especially considering the fact that mafia would've had to go like 12 12.
Why are you waiting for me to point something out? Why don't you try to make a case against him? You haven't even made a case against me; your entire reasoning for killing me is more or less "that was the plan from yesterday" and "Qatol thought you were mafia".
I can remake my arguments against citizen without thinking too hard about it. I honestly think you're mafia, but if you are able to defend yourself and tell me why I should vote for citizen over you, then I will change. I am voting for you because mafia's night kills are fluent with what your goal would be. I outlined the scenario's above how it does not make much sense for citizen or I to kill Qatol. This is what I'm trying to say in my defense: that the mafia's actions are not what I would do, and that the mafia's actions reflect what Korynne would do. That's why I keep bringing up points like the modkill on Zona.
I'll tell you right here why I was suspicious of citizen. If you can elaborate more I will gladly listen. I don't feel like I have much of a chance to prove my innocence but if I can at least figure out which one of you is mafia I'll feel better.
I thought citizen had barely made a contribution for the first half of the game. Until Radfield died, I pegged him as the SK. Normally citizen is a very active town poster, and is not afraid to post his thoughts regarding who he thinks is mafia. I found his behavior this game contrary to what I normally see of him when he's town (flamewheel's mafia game sticks out in my mind). What also bothers me is that he has not claimed a role so far. With three of us left, the game is obviously going to end, it makes more sense for him to claim, because I'm under the impression he has something to hide. We agreed early game that some roles are better for the mafia than others. If he claimed a more town favored role, then that could help show his innocence (I do realize he could lie about this though).
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 11 2010 09:38 citi.zen wrote: Korynne, there is no case he can make.
He let me live because Qatol was about to vote for him anyway, as he states above. I was finally comfortable trusting Qatol, after going through 100x complicated scenarios where he was red. In the end it just didn't make sense to think his early game conversations with Zona and Darth were staged - they were too long and detailed. There was no reason for the mafia to go through that trouble and risk making mistakes - it never happens like that. So me + Qatol alive = Foolishness dead. He also knew in my first post, and a few times afterwards I picked on you, so he figured he'd have a good chance convincing me.
I also think you are right about the day ending when it does - look at the dialog between me and Qatol before we lynched Scamp (I think) - I tried to change my vote but it was too late.
I am not in a hurry to lynch Foolishness. Just make the right call in the end though.
I certainly don't recall you picking on Korynne, although there's no way for you to know that. And it's not like you are vocal about your opinions this game. After you voted for Qatol twice don't you think I would have tried to convince you to kill Qatol if I was mafia? How could I figure I could convince you to kill Korynne? None of this adds up right.
Ugh, I don't even know which one of you to vote for anymore.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 11 2010 07:37 Korynne wrote: citi.zen's the one who's all hasty and omg let's lynch foolishness.
And now I want to vote citizen for this reason. And because it doesn't look like he's trying at all when he's writing his posts. Now korynne is looking innocent. I'm pretty sure if I switch votes you will just use that against me though. I don't even know anymore.
I know one of you is sitting there grinning evilly and the other is going to be like "...oh shit" after I get lynched. I'm at least going to feel better if I figure out which one of you two is mafia.
citizen being mafia really does not make sense with the whole numbers. Although he hasn't claimed any role, and has talked about the roleblocker quite a lot. But nobody has claimed to be roleblocked.
Arghh I'm like half angry because I don't know what else I can say here. >.<
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