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Editted: Not sure if posting the basis is against the rules. If you would like to, How about I post the basis for this game?
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I've become uncertain as to whos lying....I'll await Haster's explanation of why I did what I did for personal reasons...Anyone else should be able to see it now....It's obvious. Especially since I've been arguing everyone votes....LMNOP's refusal to vote is one thing. D3/Ateddybear.
I'm not going to ignore that. And now LMNOP has become mafia in my mind.
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Clarification I just took out the links to the games that Ace based his set up on. Not sure if I'm allowed to post it...So I took the links out. If Ace says he doesn't mind I'll repost them.
Sorry for the edit.
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Disclaimer: This may be disorganized.
Honestly, it's an almost 50/50 shot to hit a mafia. I say lynch LMNOP, as he's the only one arguing I'm professional for tricking the town into believing I'm townie, and saving Zona to further my townie image. Not to mention trying to save L, and trying to save RoL. And actually...My almost lynch of Caller YESTERDAY IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. I tried for Caller yesterday, came OH SO FUCKING CLOSE, then failed to produce.
Oh, and an alternate way?
D3, LMNOP, Caller are mafia. D3 saved LMNOP, Caller saved himself and checked D3.
Me and Abenson are town.
JeeJee should post his role/country now, as it doesn't matter anymore. Game will be settled depending on the lynch today. Obv. don't say nukes/anti-nukes.
LMNOP thinks I'm mafia.
If we lynch a mafia today, we all but win.
These things right here are very important.
# d3_crescentia (or teddybear) - Hasn't posted # JeeJee (Probably Town) # ~Opz~ (Town) # Caller # haster27 # Elemenope # iNfuNdiBuLuM citizen # Iaaan # Abenson (Town)
I need to look at this hard. If Abenson, JeeJee, and I are town....And haster and Citizen are town...then LMNOP, Iaaan, Caller, and D3 are Mafia.
But...If Abenson, Myself, Caller, D3, JeeJee, and LMNOP (or Iaaan) are town. (Everyone up here, with the exception of D3, whom has been unable to state a position, has wanted citizen dead)
Haster, Citizen and Iaaan (or LMNOP) (But he voted for Citizen, the same as LMNOP seems to have wanted to vote) are mafia...Try and find a conclusion, based on the amount of support lynching Citizen gathered...Then find an equation that works. It's 6:3 that way given the support Citizens lynch has gotten. While if that is the case, we can mislynch. But I don't feel thats the case. Do you?
DO YOU SEE HOW IT DOESN'T ADD UP JEEJEE? If Caller is town, D3 must be confirmed, and LMNOP was completely content with Citizen killing himself, which was not an opposing position. Hell Citizen TRIED TO KILL HIMSELF. Iaaan Voted for citizen, then followed me QUICKLY on the withdraw.
@JeeJee Second post on this page, (the one thats just a quote that I ignored). Accuses me SEVERAL times throughout it.
"because the anti-nuke wasn’t used when citizen at 5 votes, both you and citizen are fucking mafia. "
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Maybe I should be more specific
Go read when L was being nuked repetitively. I championed saving him. BM saved him. I couldn't save him at the time because Abenson was the one granted with the Anti-nuke at the time. Abenson saved Zona.
Your out of order right there LMNOP. I breadcrumbed Abenson when I was the one being lynched, AT YOUR URGING. Lol. It's funny...Let's see what JeeJee says about the math though. Someone here is mafia.
I guess for me to be mafia, Citizen Haster Me and Abenson need to be mafia. And that be it with the mafia.... I like that. There's your addition that will work if you wanna use it. I think it's funny.
BM saved L, BECAUSE ABENSON WAS NOT ON TO LAUNCH THE ANTI-NUKE. I posted that REPEATEDLY in the thread, and even said "I was not the one given antinukes" to Versatile. Quit ignoring all my other posts that I've made to build your argument. I stated I had anti-nukes because...well I dunno about you, but I don't feel like getting fucking nuked. Caller claimed to not have anti-nukes to save his. Lolz? Argument only works for him?
Nikon claimed to have taken a hit. There was one night kill. Iaaan claimed vet too, but didn't claim to have been hit. Nikon reflected a nuke. Iaaan said vet had day time protection. So NATURALLY, putting two and two together, the average SK is a combination of a vet and a vigi, WITH their own win condition. Don't need to be mafia to figure that much out. Lol. You don't need to be mafia to see that.
Uhm.... I'm arguing you are mafia. You could of ARGUED for everyone to pull their votes off and think before lynching citizen. But you didn't post for those five hours, NOR did you do ANYTHING before you disappeared. We needed a strong argument TO STOP THE DAY FROM ENDING. And citizen had to go and fuck EVERYTHING up by voting for himself.
LMNOP before citizens death, because he doesn't seem to have a position at all in these posts....right? + Show Spoiler +On April 08 2010 14:31 Elemenope wrote:All I can say is: Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 12:09 citi.zen wrote: In fact, in this game I'm allowed to vote for myself, so here:
##Vote citi.zen
GG town. rage much? I don't know who to put my vote on. On one hand, we have Caller who has been relatively inactive and seemingly full of scum. Yet with this claim and the night kills up until now, his action does seem to make sense. If he seemed like a viable lynch target, why would mafia bother to hit him if they can get the town to waste a lynch by lynching him? Unless someone wants to directly counter his claim with a Japan claim. Then we have Citi.zen/infund who claimed Paranoid Gun Owner, but then says that the role consists solely of nuke-retaliation, which means the main point around the PGO ability has been taken out - hence, it shouldn't even be called PGO anymore. I'm more leaning that citizen/infund were lying because of that role point. Nikon claimed Veteran, was caught in a lie, and he ended up anti-town. China's ability to launch only retaliation nukes doesn't even seem like a PGO claim at all, I don't see why infund/citizen would claim as such unless it was to avoid night checks which can make sense. The whole nuking thing just seems more of like a nuke restriction, similar to a post restrictions in other games: just to be a hindrance for the person. I'll see what happens though for a bit since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time to mull things over. On April 08 2010 15:28 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 15:16 citi.zen wrote:On April 08 2010 14:31 Elemenope wrote:All I can say is: On April 08 2010 12:09 citi.zen wrote: In fact, in this game I'm allowed to vote for myself, so here:
##Vote citi.zen
GG town. rage much? I don't know who to put my vote on. On one hand, we have Caller who has been relatively inactive and seemingly full of scum. Yet with this claim and the night kills up until now, his action does seem to make sense. If he seemed like a viable lynch target, why would mafia bother to hit him if they can get the town to waste a lynch by lynching him? Unless someone wants to directly counter his claim with a Japan claim. Then we have Citi.zen/infund who claimed Paranoid Gun Owner, but then says that the role consists solely of nuke-retaliation, which means the main point around the PGO ability has been taken out - hence, it shouldn't even be called PGO anymore. I'm more leaning that citizen/infund were lying because of that role point. Nikon claimed Veteran, was caught in a lie, and he ended up anti-town. China's ability to launch only retaliation nukes doesn't even seem like a PGO claim at all, I don't see why infund/citizen would claim as such unless it was to avoid night checks which can make sense. The whole nuking thing just seems more of like a nuke restriction, similar to a post restrictions in other games: just to be a hindrance for the person. I'll see what happens though for a bit since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time to mull things over. You are also correct: everything makes sense except for Inf's role-claim. Meeple's death when Caller visited him was a coincidence, as were many other things Caller has since managed to perfectly explain by changing his story every day. Even his behavioral analysis was spot-on every time: I was trying to defend myself by accusing him, even though at that point there were no accusations on me. Not to mention the martyrdom - that's a clear sign of a mafia, as seen in prior games. So don't bother thinking about any of that - it's cool, just vote. OpZ told you to, and he's confirmed town, right? Just do it - these guys are legit. I am more leaning towards you lying about your role claim because...you know....you are. Why would you have a Paranoid Gun Owner role when you lack the absolute function of a Paranoid Gun Owner that makes him so Paranoid and a Gun Owner. Your role with what infund and you have claimed may as well be Pussy who won't fire nukes first rather than Paranoid Gun Owner as it definitely pertains a lot more to what your role is supposedly. Fishball has claimed tracker: he tracked where caller went, as per every single tracker out there in mafia. Opz and Abenson are Masons, and as such, they can communicate with each other, as per every single mason out there in mafia. Nikon was SK, and as such, he killed people at night, as per every single SK out there in mafia. Infund/you are Paranoid Gun Owner, and as such, you don't kill people who visit you at night [even by your own admission], as per....no paranoid gun owner, ever? On April 08 2010 21:24 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 19:43 ~OpZ~ wrote: Citizen Caller Iaaan ~OpZ~ Citizen
Caller Citizen Haster27
Can we get our votes on to citizen before the nuke lands?
I'd rather his lynch be already set up.
Nuke lands at 2:03 KST FYI
Just need one more to lynch.
We have til 5:03 KST til nuke lands. I'm not quite sure what clock you're looking at. Also: you have Abenson to call on a vote for Citizen if you truly believe citizen to be scum. I'm also willing to believe as such, but would like to hold my vote a bit unless there's anything else he or haster want to say. On April 09 2010 00:51 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 00:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: Really? Damn...So add JeeJee to my vote for Citizen list... You know, if you want to say something, it'd be preferable to say it as soon as possible.
1)If Abenson isn't mafia, I'm not mafia? 2)Who have you championed saving specifically? 3)Lol. If you didn't have any anti-nukes would you say that unless you were being nuked and trying to get a townie to waste theirs like Caller did? Lol.
Oh, and I'm assuming D3 is mafia for Saving you LMNOP.
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Yes, I lied about the nuke landing early to get people to vote, But LMNOP was so kind as to correct me. I even messaged Ace to remind him a nuke was in the air, because...well he seems to have gotten less flavorful, and interested (But it has come back, how nice) and I wanted to make sure that he didn't just see majority and lynch right away. I believe JeeJee needs to launch a nuke at me soon, AMIRITE?
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My nuke on Iaaan is fake btw.
But Haster seems to have noticed what I did perfectly. Abenson could very well have done without saying I told him to nuke when the day began, but there you go. He said that, preventing the lynch of citizen.
No. I didn't antinuke to stop citizen from getting lynched. Abenson nuked to PREVENT citizen from getting lynched.
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Pretty clear I'm putting my complete faith in Caller being Mafia. Followed quickly by LMNOP and D3 (or maybe Iaaan).
It's gotten pretty tiring arguing with JeeJee cuz he is probably town. Sadly me and him have very differing beliefs. So if you hear me JeeJee, if you are mafia, you probably will still win, because I can't justify lynching you. Also...Your role if you don't mind.
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On April 09 2010 23:40 JeeJee wrote: yeah, we have iirc 5.5hr til i have to nuke? roughly. 10min less or so
actually lmnop does bring up an interesting point that not all masons need be townie aligned. i haven't considered this possibility at all based on behavior but will still see for completeness' sake how it affects the math, if at all (although tbh i don't think it will)
That's it? No opinion? No response to haster's post? Nothing?!
Abenson has a mind of his own. Hence mine and his different votes. He followed my against JohnnySpazz, but every point he made was his own. Completely and totally. Are you honestly suggesting I am the mafia in the group or Abenson is? Let me remind you, I was about to die. I breadcrumbed HIS name. So if there is a mafia between me and him, it is HIM. But I don't feel that is the case.
He saved Zona. I didn't urge this. I suggested to him Zona might be DT and he agreed. He even messaged it to Ace early, and said he tried to "un-antinuke" at one point because he wanted to save it. I just told him, Zona and Haster27 were the first to defend us when we claimed Mason. I figured we owed Zona one for this, but I didn't say that to him. I'm glad he did anti-nuke it though. And we both were betting he was the cop. Oops, he was Vigi...Guess we were wrong there...
We also haven't been very far from each others opinions. We just haven't voted for the same targets. I'm against bandwagoning for the most part. So. Basically. If one of us is an EVIL MASON, it is him. But I don't feel that is the case. I feel we only were granted a tracker. No DT.
No Bus Driver has stepped forward. So please. Please gosh jolly green fucking giant, PLEASE explain how Caller makes sense?
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On April 09 2010 23:56 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 23:29 ~OpZ~ wrote: Maybe I should be more specific
Go read when L was being nuked repetitively. I championed saving him. BM saved him. I couldn't save him at the time because Abenson was the one granted with the Anti-nuke at the time. Abenson saved Zona.
Your out of order right there LMNOP. I breadcrumbed Abenson when I was the one being lynched, AT YOUR URGING. Lol. It's funny...Let's see what JeeJee says about the math though. Someone here is mafia.
I guess for me to be mafia, Citizen Haster Me and Abenson need to be mafia. And that be it with the mafia.... I like that. There's your addition that will work if you wanna use it. I think it's funny. Incorrect. If you were mafia; then citizen, you, and any two of iaaan/citizen/jeejee/haster are mafia. You being mafia has no bearing on Abenson being mafia at all. Show nested quote +BM saved L, BECAUSE ABENSON WAS NOT ON TO LAUNCH THE ANTI-NUKE. I posted that REPEATEDLY in the thread, and even said "I was not the one given antinukes" to Versatile. Quit ignoring all my other posts that I've made to build your argument. I stated I had anti-nukes because...well I dunno about you, but I don't feel like getting fucking nuked. Caller claimed to not have anti-nukes to save his. Lolz? Argument only works for him?
Nikon claimed to have taken a hit. There was one night kill. Iaaan claimed vet too, but didn't claim to have been hit. Nikon reflected a nuke. Iaaan said vet had day time protection. So NATURALLY, putting two and two together, the average SK is a combination of a vet and a vigi, WITH their own win condition. Don't need to be mafia to figure that much out. Lol. You don't need to be mafia to see that. HOW CAN YOU KNOW NIKON ACTUALLY TOOK A HIT UNLESS YOU AS MAFIA KNOW YOU HIT HIM? The only way you could know Nikon was third party instead of mafia is if you were mafia. Nikon could've thrown a hit on Versatile as well as mafia, or Nikon could've elected to not use his hit as strange as that may be. It's not natural at all to assume SK is a combination of vet and vigi. Are you daft? Show nested quote +Uhm.... I'm arguing you are mafia. You could of ARGUED for everyone to pull their votes off and think before lynching citizen. But you didn't post for those five hours, NOR did you do ANYTHING before you disappeared. We needed a strong argument TO STOP THE DAY FROM ENDING. And citizen had to go and fuck EVERYTHING up by voting for himself.
LMNOP before citizens death, because he doesn't seem to have a position at all in these posts....right? I had already said that Caller's position makes more sense than citizen's position. Nobody is arguing that. Your claim that I was content in citizen dying is that since I was on at the time that the nuke was going to land, and did absolutely nothing, then obviously, I'm fine with him dying. That's an illogical conclusion for numerous reason.For one: I'm of the opinion that claiming he can only launch retaliatory nukes, claiming PGO, then saying that he doesn't have any night-retaliatory action is a lie. There's no sense in that at all. Secondly, after I do my first post where I say "since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time", right after, you even quote me, and say that you'll launch a nuke to extend the day even further. Given your track record for the previous day, am I suddenly supposed to deny your claim? Thirdly: my last post was at 0:51, 5 complete hours before the nuke hits. And I come back one hour after the nuke hits. Yet this obviously means that I am content with citizen dying. You have not given a logical response to this other than your belief, which may I remind you: citizen says we're not supposed to rely on, that I was on from 11:25 on April 08 to 05:58 of April 09, almost 24 hours for a shitty mafia game. Are you serious? If you're going to bring in time into this to try to out me, then you're going to have to bring in the whole timeslot rather than just a specific section that makes you look better. Show nested quote +1)If Abenson isn't mafia, I'm not mafia? 2)Who have you championed saving specifically? 3)Lol. If you didn't have any anti-nukes would you say that unless you were being nuked and trying to get a townie to waste theirs like Caller did? Lol.
Oh, and I'm assuming D3 is mafia for Saving you LMNOP.
1) Not correct. 2) L for one, considering at the start of the day, a lot of people were interested in lynching him because of his effect on past games when I said that his past games should have no bearing on the outcome of this, so it's a faulty reason for lynch. I specifically say Show nested quote +I do think that L's pro-town and these nukes toward him are out of spite rather than for scum tells; I'd like to see L saved When Nikon and Xelin launch nukes at Zona, I say that this was a bullshit move. Show nested quote +So I come back, and I see that Nikon nukes Zona. What the fuck? All I see for the reasoning behind this is one little disagreement, which isn’t a disagreement at all as they’re two separate things. Show nested quote +Oh just refreshed the page and I see that Nikon says the nuke is fake. First off, what the fuck? There were many people obviously against the nuke and on top of that, there’s quite a decent time frame for an antinuke to get fired. So potentially, you just wasted an anti-nuke. How can you even assume that the nuke *hasn’t* been shot down already? Oh look, two people who you seem to value so highly. 3. If you had anti-nukes for town use, wouldn't you save nemy or Zona the second time he had a nuke launched at him? Lol.
Check Caller's games. Secret Nazi had extra night lives. http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Serial_killer
Serial Killer is generally considered to be one of the hardest roles to win with. To compensate for this, some mods have been known to give Serial Killers extra abilities, such as making them immune to either some or all night kills, or having them show up as innocent to Cop investigation. Stop arguing about SK. I've done argued the point mafia could of hit versatile also (when Nikon was still alive, just after the night ended), BUT versatile seemed pretty fucking scummy to everyone. You included. I think Nikon was trying to help us then.
I'm arguing, out of all the posts you made, you never told anyone NOT to vote for citizen. And to use the remaining time to think instead. No. Instead you FURTHERED THE BANDWAGON AGAINST CITIZEN. Are YOU daft?
On April 09 2010 23:57 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 23:34 ~OpZ~ wrote: My nuke on Iaaan is fake btw.
But Haster seems to have noticed what I did perfectly. Abenson could very well have done without saying I told him to nuke when the day began, but there you go. He said that, preventing the lynch of citizen.
No. I didn't antinuke to stop citizen from getting lynched. Abenson nuked to PREVENT citizen from getting lynched. This is faulty right here for one good reason: No town member would throw a vote out in a lylo situation if they weren't completely sure of who they were voting for.
Then Iaaan and JeeJee are mafia. Correct? They through their votes out in the lylo situation.
Did you ignore my statement that I had no anti-nukes? Oh. maybe you actually believed me in the last 20 or so pages when I said I had some. Lol. I acted like I did. Maybe I explicitly claimed them. But everyone seems to be ignoring Haster's post. No comment from anyone?
I would of saved L if I could. I PM'd ACE ASKING if I could control Abensons anti-nukes. I PM'd Chezinu to try and get him to take over Abenson's role. (Abenson was gone for something, asked to be replaced, I couldn't save L myself, because I have no Anti-nukes) There. Now you can have a draw LMNOP. Since you had to know that. I have no anti-nukes. Not a single one.
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On April 10 2010 00:13 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2010 00:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:On April 09 2010 23:40 JeeJee wrote: yeah, we have iirc 5.5hr til i have to nuke? roughly. 10min less or so
actually lmnop does bring up an interesting point that not all masons need be townie aligned. i haven't considered this possibility at all based on behavior but will still see for completeness' sake how it affects the math, if at all (although tbh i don't think it will) That's it? No opinion? No response to haster's post? Nothing?! Abenson has a mind of his own. Hence mine and his different votes. He followed my against JohnnySpazz, but every point he made was his own. Completely and totally. Are you honestly suggesting I am the mafia in the group or Abenson is? Let me remind you, I was about to die. I breadcrumbed HIS name. So if there is a mafia between me and him, it is HIM. But I don't feel that is the case. You were about to die? Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 03:36 Ace wrote: With 22 alive, it is 12 to lynch.
L(7) tree.hugger Versatile Abenson Fishball RebirthofLegend ~Opz~ d3_crescentia
~Opz~(4) Xelin Nikon Elemenope iNfuNdiBuLuM
Abenson(7) Iaaan Zona haster27 johnnyspazz JeeJee meeple Amber[LighT]
Bill Murray(2) Caller nemY
Amount of Nukes Fired: 0 Radiation levels - very low
Day ends at 12 AM ET at the current time Yeah. You were in great fucking danger of dying. Abenson and L were the only ones in danger of dying. Consider: A) You are mafia aligned Mason B) Abenson is townie aligned Mason When Abenson is a likely candidate for a lynch, you breadcrumb his name into a post and state that he is a mason along with you later in the day. This way, if Abenson gets lynched, oops, he pops townie Mason, people think you’re town. If he doesn’t get lynched, then you both ride on the fact that you’re Masons, and you can tell which way Abenson should vote in a decisive situation such as this, and the town will believe your claims to be valid thinking that you’re both townie aligned Masons as posited on day 1. Show nested quote +He saved Zona. I didn't urge this. I suggested to him Zona might be DT and he agreed. He even messaged it to Ace early, and said he tried to "un-antinuke" at one point because he wanted to save it. I just told him, Zona and Haster27 were the first to defend us when we claimed Mason. I figured we owed Zona one for this, but I didn't say that to him. I'm glad he did anti-nuke it though. And we both were betting he was the cop. Oops, he was Vigi...Guess we were wrong there... So then why was neither Zona nor nemy saved again? Show nested quote +We also haven't been very far from each others opinions. We just haven't voted for the same targets. I'm against bandwagoning for the most part. So. Basically. If one of us is an EVIL MASON, it is him. But I don't feel that is the case. I feel we only were granted a tracker. No DT. Um, do you not understand the power of a Mason? They have one less person to convince in order to get a majority lynch on someone. This is a huge advantage. The fact that you two aren’t even taking advantage of this until the very last game-deciding vote is quite suspicious. And no DT? Have you been paying attention to the game at all? Show nested quote +No Bus Driver has stepped forward. So please. Please gosh jolly green fucking giant, PLEASE explain how Caller makes sense? Why don’t we just have the nuke stealer step forward. Oh wait. Then JeeJee and Abenson were lying obviously. Sexy little out of context quote there. Did you miss the votes for me that weren't counted by Ace in because the votes were switched before Ace made another count? =D I was tied with L, then people pushed for Abenson. The people on my jumped off me and onto him. People for L went later.
Nice....I've done explained that part of the game once WAY earlier.
Oh. We took advantage of it today. We have discussed EVERY vote amongst each other. Abenson isn't as active as me, if you haven't noticed.
Discussed Zona and Nemy in later post. We are clearly out of antinukes.
I had nuke, Abenson had Anti-nuke. one/one
If I was mafia, I wouldn't care if a lynch majority occurred....and I keep trying to make one happen
Anyway I guess the game ends today. I'm not extending again, and no lynch = mafia win. GG guys. I'm going to work at 12. And I said that last night. Choke.
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JeeJee. I'm tired, I gotta work. I've explained my trap. If you don't see it I don't know what to think. Could I possibly convince you to vote for LMNOP then? One of us posting right now is atleast mafia. Be it Haster, LMNOP, Citizen, or You.
I personally am going with Me, You, Haster, Citizen, and Abenson being town.
Or is it Me You Abenson D3 Caller? Neither way leaves room for LMNOP, and both ways have 5 "Confirmed" townies. LMNOP is mafia by the numbers according to Callers alignment check of D3, BY THE LOGIC YOU WANT TO GO BY.
Let us Lynch LMNOP. If Haster and Citizen are right, Then LMNOP is mafia. If Caller is right, LMNOP is mafia. THERE IS NO WAY GIVEN THE NUMBERS (IF you aren't Mafia) FOR LMNOP TO BE TOWN. (Unless there are really only 3 fucking mafia, or no mafia, but if there is no mafia, we might as well lynch LMNOP anyway.)
Do you also keep ignoring my calls for your role claim on purpose?
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##Vote Elemenope
He is mafia by numbers.
If Caller is truthful, Elemenope can't be mafia unless their is three mafia, and we continue to accept JeeJee as Town. Remember, Caller "checked" D3. Abenson, Myself, Caller, D3, JeeJee If Haster and Citizen are right Citizen, Haster, Abenson, Me, JeeJee
Otherwise we are not in a lylo situation and can be wrong.
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On April 10 2010 00:40 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +Anyway I guess the game ends today. I'm not extending again, and no lynch = mafia win. GG guys. I'm going to work at 12. And I said that last night. Choke. Wait, don't we have the votes for Caller already? Can we get an official count? Me you haster Abenson does not a majority make.
I say we lynch LMNOP.
Numbers don't lie. And JeeJee won't Role claim.
I'm going to work. Be back in 8 hours.
And citizen, since you can't launch real nukes....Please Nuke Iaaan Also.
-_- either you'll do us a favor, by proving you can't launch nukes, or b)prove Iaaan isn't a veteran.
Bye.
Also, Everyone please vote LMNOP as per this post.
On April 10 2010 00:43 ~OpZ~ wrote: ##Vote Elemenope
He is mafia by numbers.
If Caller is truthful, Elemenope can't be mafia unless their is three mafia, and we continue to accept JeeJee as Town. Remember, Caller "checked" D3. Abenson, Myself, Caller, D3, JeeJee If Haster and Citizen are right Citizen, Haster, Abenson, Me, JeeJee
Otherwise we are not in a lylo situation and can be wrong.
It makes sense if you think about it. JeeJee and Abenson were the first to claim nuke theft. Maybe JeeJee and Abenson are both Mafia and use it to confirm JeeJee? Only other possibility I can come up with. But I'm taking it as Abenson is town, and told me the truth. Then JeeJee is town too. So he must be on the list including me and Abenson. If we are in a lylo, LMNOP and IAAAN are both mafia. With the other mafia to be decided between Citizen/haster, and Caller/d3 (who are absent from the discussion at hand).
If we aren't in a lylo, we can be wrong. All we need to do is lynch LMNOP and we should have a perfectly clear picture, BECAUSE HE CAN'T BE TOWN IF JEEJEE IS TOWN.
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"as a sidenote to opz -- i have only been skimming you versus lmnop for the reason that if my judgment is correct here, there is at least one mafia between lmnop/iaaan, and very likely both of them are. am i reading this correctly, did he accuse you of being mafia?"
Good, then you don't mind lynching LMNOP with me?
Citizen, we need 5 votes for the majority, not 4. And if lynching LMNOP will convince JeeJee, I'm fine with it. I've done explained he can't possibly be town no matter what if this is Lylo
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On April 10 2010 01:03 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2010 00:57 ~OpZ~ wrote: "as a sidenote to opz -- i have only been skimming you versus lmnop for the reason that if my judgment is correct here, there is at least one mafia between lmnop/iaaan, and very likely both of them are. am i reading this correctly, did he accuse you of being mafia?"
Good, then you don't mind lynching LMNOP with me?
Citizen, we need 5 votes for the majority, not 4. And if lynching LMNOP will convince JeeJee, I'm fine with it. I've done explained he can't possibly be town no matter what if this is Lylo The only problem is this: I am 100% sure Caller is lying, since he claimed to have confirmed me as a red, which I obviously know I am not; I was and still am comfortable getting lynched myself to give the town indisputable information about Caller and his fake claims. LMNOP I cannot be certain of. Probable perhaps, but far from certain in my book. Citizen. The math. Benefits. Him being mafia. NO MATTER WHAT.
-_-
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On April 10 2010 01:20 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 23:55 JeeJee wrote: to be fair i haven't gotten your clear stance on citizen's roleclaim lie. what do you make of it? at least answer this; i have done my best to explain my position as clearnly as possible. this still stands unanswered by opz, which irks me the most because this is what i base my whole argument on citizen's lynch about. it has been standing unanswered this entire time, even after i started ignoring all of my other points/queries in an effort to get your official stance on this one so there is no confusion with other points, yet somehow this still remains unanswered. please please PLEASE answer this. give me your official statement here. I have done my best to answer every single thing about my position and i believe i have done so. please return the favor by answering this one thing IF we LYNCH LMNOP AND HE IS MAFIA, like I've proved, THEN THERE WE GO. We know Citizens color. Lynching LMNOP PROVIDES JUST AS MUCH INFORMATION as Caller, Citizen.
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On April 10 2010 02:51 JeeJee wrote: hold on let me get this straight if we're in lylo, lmnop has to be mafia, and if we're not, it's okay if we fuck up since it's not lylo? my question is, why do you ignore a lying roleclaimer in favor of someone who may not be mafia at all, just because if he isn't, we can make a mistake? do you realize this means this time next day will be the same except we will have one less townie arguing? and instead of 1/3 town being mafia, it will be almost half?
@citizen i have all the answers to that post; i am surprised you misinterpretted my position yet again, but i have to run to a meeting. i will be back in 1hr10min +/-10min, well before any nuke deadline. so BE HERE LMNOP HAS to be Mafia. There is no way around it. Caller claims he checked d3. Caller claims citizen is red. That's two right there townie. Me and abenson, thats four. You, (whom got the same clue for nuke steal that Abenson got) thats Five. There are 9 players. LMNOP has to be mafia if caller is telling the truth.
If Caller is lying, Haster and Citizen want Caller dead. Haster could of just voted Citizen and ended it. If haster, Citizen, Me, Abenson, and You that is 5 vs 4. LMNOP isn't on either list.
Now, unless the Nuke stealer is like in the Mafia Scum games, and is an "Arms Dealer" that is actually town aligned...But I haven't heard no one say they've been receiving nukes like the Arms Dealer role does. So unless there is 3 mafia, LMNOP is mafia. -_-
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On April 10 2010 03:36 haster27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2010 02:51 JeeJee wrote: hold on let me get this straight if we're in lylo, lmnop has to be mafia, and if we're not, it's okay if we fuck up since it's not lylo? my question is, why do you ignore a lying roleclaimer in favor of someone who may not be mafia at all, just because if he isn't, we can make a mistake? do you realize this means this time next day will be the same except we will have one less townie arguing? and instead of 1/3 town being mafia, it will be almost half?
@citizen i have all the answers to that post; i am surprised you misinterpretted my position yet again, but i have to run to a meeting. i will be back in 1hr10min +/-10min, well before any nuke deadline. so BE HERE Where did lylo come from? I thought ~OpZ~ said LMNOP was Mafia no matter either citizen or Caller was lying, which makes him a perfect compromise. Hell, you even agreed he has to be Mafia if Caller is correct: Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 23:45 JeeJee wrote: let me rip the mafia to shreds
iaaan haster citi.zen lmnop
Currently there are 4 Mafia 5 Townie. (44.4%) Next day there will be 3 Mafia 4 Townie. (42.9%) Where did 1/3 and half the Town argument come from? (unless I am failing at numbers again.) Moreover, the fact that Town has to vote together does not change, and getting four Townies to agree with each other will definitely be easier than getting five Townies to agree with each other. However, I agree with your statement that it is beneficial to get Caller/citizen issue resolved now- and I am eagerly waiting how laaan and d3_cresentia will place his vote. Hopefully it will be enough to break this stalemate. I'm not going to vote for caller again tonight. I've outed LMNOP as guaranteed mafia. He dies tonight as far as I'm concerned. I will not resolve the Caller debate until LMNOP comes up red. That gives us insight, as he was for Citizens lynch. So if LMNOP is mafia, Caller is by association mafia.
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On April 10 2010 05:06 d3_crescentia wrote: Since the discussion earlier today has been all about Citizen/Caller, here's what I'm thinking. Citizen's PGO claim doesn't make any sense in consideration of what PGO usually is, and I'm thinking that there's some other hidden something to his role. On the other hand, we have Caller, who has spouted a bunch of BS about how he's Israel/Japan/Bratislava/whatever, as well as being an Insane Cop. I'm not sure of Caller's true alignment, since he might easily be mafia making shit up about people - and because he's an alignment cop he would have the information about who is town/not if he were mafia, since alignment cops don't get any details on roles.
Then we've got the heat thrown on Elemenope. If anyone has any questions regarding my anti-nuke, it's because 1) we had an anonymous North Korean nuke (which I thought was a RED attack) and 2) he had been posting fairly town-aligned up until recently. Now that things have changed, well, who knows what he could actually be.
If the argument between citizen/Caller is going to go on any further, here's what I suggest: citizen will attempt to nuke Caller/Elemenope, and if he's PGO (by his description) I'm guessing we're still going to go through the motions of nuclear launch, but it'll land a dud. If Caller attempts to pull any crazy BS, we'll simply either 1) lynch him or 2) anti-nuke if he decides to nuke.
Yes, I'm quite aware this plan is going to raise ToD... but the problem is that we can't afford to NOT nuke at this point in time. The town needs 100% accuracy over the next 4 days if we're going strictly by lynching. I'm assuming we have 3 nukes until we hit the Danger Zone, and unless Ace is going to dick us over hard then WE need to make use of these last three.
One more thing - in a normal mafia game, the town would have lost by now, even with 100% lynch accuracy. It's only because we have nukes/special roles that we're still here.
So, my question - what happens when citizen attempts to nuke Caller? The day gets extended by another 24 hours, but a normal missile falls? Or does citizen implode on himself?
Let's shift gears for a second here, back to the player list:
CONFIRMED: ~OpZ~ [Canada, Mason] Abenson [United Kingdom, Mason] d3_crescentia [Sweden, Town-aligned] - I'm confirming myself
UNCONFIRMED Caller (Israel/Japan, INSANE Alignment Cop) citizen (China, Paranoid Gun Owner)
JeeJee (???, Town-aligned?) haster27 (Portugal, Townie) Elemenope (Vietnam, Townie) Iaaan (Antarctica, Veteran)
The unclaimed: - Colombia, Nuke Stealer - Unknown, Bus Driver - Unknown, Roleblocker
First thing - JeeJee needs to step up and claim, so this list is complete. The next five on the list are immediately suspect. We can remove Caller/citizen right now since that's who we're discussing currently, so that leaves us with haster27/Elemenope/Iaaan. My gut feeling is that one of these is actually our Colombian nuke-stealer.
Iaaan's claim as Veteran has been virtually uncontested since we lynched Nikon, though this is something that we actually CAN confirm, were it not for our radiation levels - but at least we it's possible to actually account for this, if we need to confirm him. I'm thinking we actually DO need to confirm him, since his claim effectively takes him off as a nuke target. But given the amount of lying that's gone down in this game so far it's entirely possible that his role is completely different (i.e. scum).
My suspects at this point in time: haster27, Elemenope, Iaaan... and one of Caller/citizen.
I'd like to reserve my vote until the last moment, so... ##vote: abstain MAFIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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On April 10 2010 08:30 citi.zen wrote: It's not armed. In retrospect I should have nuked a 3rd party and then asked Jeejee to nuke me. Perhaps it's not too late, if Flamewheel rules we were "on hold" and that action should not count. I could Nuke OpZ to give him another option to retaliate, then jeejee would nuke me and put his money where his mouth is. Instead, Iaaan should nuke you, and you should nuke him. Plain and simple. I'm done with this. JeeJee has lost all credibility to me. You voting for yourself is retarded, and if you get do it, as you said to me earlier, YOU ARE LVP. -_-...I'm trying to kill a mafia I've explained is all but guaranteed. Abenson can change his vote if he likes, but I'm not...I'm thoroughly annoyed right now with all of you.
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