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Then send to PM to Ace like this: ##I use my anti-nuke to shoot down Versatile's missile toward L. ##I use my anti-nuke to shoot down Versatile's missile toward Bill Murray. (being cautious here because I don't know why johnny anti-nuke did not work.) | ||
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I'm guessing anti-nukes and anti-missile defense is different then. I will never understand this set of rules. Anyone else who have not fired anti-nuke in day 1, please intercept nuke headed toward L and Bill Murray. | ||
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I agree with Elemenope in that these people should speak up about this situation. | ||
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Many are accepting his confession pretty leniently (which surprised me actually), so this is a food for thought. I find it highly unlikely that country such as NK, especially considering its abilities, do not have anti-town role; it is possible that Xelin, when ~OpZ~ pointed him out immediately with acceptable argument, panicked and tried to throw the suspicion off him by revealing himself, downgrading his perception from potential scum to one of those stupid foolish non-concensus-nuke-launching townies that is currently flooding the town. Current non-concensus nuker list Versatile Xelin tree.hugger (listed from top to bottom the greater need to lynch) | ||
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On March 28 2010 10:09 L wrote: Good fucking lord, chrome and/or TL is fucked right now. Couldn't get on in the last like 3 hours. ##nuke:Caller Away you go fake missiles. Away you go. Why don't you use FF? I assume those will work b/c I am having absolutely no problem with my Safari (mac). Also I think you can stop breathing down tree.hugger's neck for now- there are too many suspect & crazier non-concensus nukers present to bother about him right now. | ||
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* Fishball -Is consistent on his hate against L + Show Spoiler + He really hasn't made any noticeable moves, didn't he? Only impression I gathered from reading his 28 posts was just about how much amusement he is having from this anticipated-nuke-chaos and his hate against L -_-;;; Since there is not much to work about him, I'll skip him for now though it is possible he is Mafia adopting lurking strategy. * d3_crescentia -Against revenge-nuke policy due to possibility of retaliation nuke -Justifies inactivity in the grounds that "[after RoL nuked Caller] it has been a pissing contest between L and friends" -Against using anti-nuke to save L and Bill Murray (reserve them for late game) + Show Spoiler + He is another one of inactive player, with 16 posts. Above three statements seems to summarize his contribution in the thread pretty well. Once again, could be lurking Mafia like Fishball. He has also rejected revenge-nuke policy and using anti-nuke, but I am not sure he has done because he hates L or because he is anti-town. * tree.hugger (tries to nuke L) -Against person with anti-nukes from stepping forward. -Argues that if L is not mafia, he might be saved, while if L is mafia, he will definitely be saved; also states that this nuke might force L to be more "friendly and constructive". -Reverates between attempt to answer L's statement and attack of his character. -Declares his intention no longer to nuke -Argues against revenge-nuke policy. -Shows regret about Versatile's nuke, said his nuke satisfied his intentions already. + Show Spoiler + Now we come to the big leagues, cream of the crop; the people who already sinned against the Town by launching their illogical nukes against those who we now know as pro-town. My first point about him is in fact pro-town move. Nothing to say about that. However, I simply cannot comprehend his reason for launching nuke against L. It is basically saying nothing; so if L is saved, it could be from either Townie or Mafia, but because I expect townie to follow my words and not save obviously pro-town L from dying, he is Mafia? What? Also I cannot simply understand how launching nuke against L will make him more "friendly". Even to newcomer like me, looking at all the opinion anti-L players have about him, L is more likely to rage more rather than calm down when the nuke is launched against him. Good analogy: Will 6-pooling IdrA to teach him a lesson actually teach him a lesson, causing him to be good-mannered player thereafter? He being one of the unique players who attempts to criticize L in calm logical grounds, I cannot believe why he would launch something significant as nuke for such simple, illogical reasoning. Finally, let me say something obvious just in case some player did not realize this: Displaying willingness to concede to Town's will after launching nukes does not prove he or she is Townie. In fact, while angry Townie may keep trolling against the Town, it is mandatory for the Mafia to "turn over the new leaf" because otherwise, Town will be FORCED to lynch that person to prevent him or her from launching more nukes in rage. Instead, by showing desire to no longer launch nukes, they could possibly have respite for few days while Town lets off their collective sigh and try to lynch off other suspects. * Versatile (nukes L and Bill Murray) -"as far as someone nuking without town consensus, how about they get nuked by the person above/below them in the list? this would help in beginning to determine who may have what 'powers'"; later justifies this statement on the grounds that this stops multiple person from firing nuke simultaneously at the same time. -Stresses there must be game plan before nukes are launched in order to preserve town order. -Against using anti-nukes to save L (reserve them for late game), states that anyone revenge-nuking her will get counter-nuked as well. -Nuke L and BM -Launches slandering campaign against L -Proposes that anyone agreeing with her is likely Mafia -THE FAKE NUKE HITS HER. -Declares her intention no longer to nuke. -Suspect list iaaan caller amberlight nemy d3_Crescentia xelin nikon fishball + Show Spoiler + I strongly believe Versatile is Mafia for several reasons. Let me first point you to the first point I have against her. This is a direct quote. With second point, it seems like Versatile is pro-town player who is interested in keeping order at the Town. Yet at this moment, she is responsible for greatest chaos in this game and have caused death of two Town players. I cannot comprehend why she would metamorphosis into raging monster like this, only to "[turn] over a new leaf" when L is finally dead. Mafia players generally try to conceal themselves by following the atmosphere of the town (often vote bandwagoning); as same way, she could have tried to downplay significance of her nuke in all hate and panic caused by tree.hugger nuke launch. Also may I state that the idea she proposed is highly illogical. It adds unnecessarily complexity to the revenge-nuke plan, and the loss from following this plan (Mafia finding out who has nukes) far overpowers the possible gain (prevents two townie from launching nuke at the same time unintentionally). Since nuke seems to Town's main and possibly only source of killing besides lynching (statement justified by the fact that even RoL's special abilities has been executed by means of the nuke), any move trying to find out owner of nukes and anti-nukes is anti-town. Third, I certainly do not understand why she would have anti-nuked Bill Murray. I understand Townie taking action into one's own hands to get suspect he or she is 100% certain about, but why would one counter-nuke the person who is just trying to follow the protocol of revenge-nuke plan? Even if she is not Mafia, this move is so anti-town that I'll feel no guilt even if she flips Town after she is killed. Only one thing initially hesitated me from lynching Versatile, and it is that BM's nuke flying toward her has not been intercepted. But once upon thought, Mafia will not intercept the nuke going toward her even if Versatile was Mafia. Versatile is non-concensus nuker whose crusade against L has been proved to be soundly wrong. There is no reason for Town to save her, and in fact considering how much non-concensus nuker Town has, Townie would be relieved that BM's nuke will take their hands off the matter of having to deal with killing Versatile. Thus saving Versatile will be waste of anti-nuke b/c it will immediately make her clear suspect, and likely to be lynched off day 2. In fact I find that it will be more likely for Mafia to save her if Versatile had been Townie, so they can bandwagon against her day 2 and soak up the lynch. Thus this is my current suspect list: Versatile tree.hugger Xelin Now this is my plan. We should NOT nuke Versatile or tree.hugger day 1 because there is possibility they will retaliate-nuke. We should avoid possibility of having more nukes pointed toward non-suspect player because with so much anti-nuke fired the availability of anti-nuke has decreased significantly due to one anti-nuke from player per day rule (BM who died with anti-nukes demonstrate my point pretty well). Due to his special ability I do not believe Xelin to have multiple nukes so: Thus ~OpZ~ nuke Xelin day 1, then lynch Versatile day 2. HOWEVER IT SEEMS THAT OPZ NUKED TREE.HUGGER JESUS CHRIST. Okay, revision in my plan. Do not shoot down ~OpZ~ nuke, if tree.hugger do not retaliate nuke somebody nuke Xelin day 1, then we lynch Versatile day 2. | ||
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Point 2: The problem is if person A/B do not have nukes, they are going to say they do not have the nukes- which will continue on before we reach the person who has the nukes. However, at that point, the number of the players in the potential nuke-having Townies list for Mafia to pick from will have been reduced more than necessary. And yeah, ignore anti-nukes part. Point 3: It is neutral move. It cannot be proved as either pro-town or anti-town move unless the alignment of the players because even if you flip Mafia, the list you posted will simply be WIFOM'd to death. Point 4: I am assuming Mafia do not have that much anti-nukes here. If then, they will try to use anti-nuke more efficiently. Saving someone targetted by another one of non-concensus nuker Townie is more beneficial than saving someone who will clearly be under lot of suspicion after saving. However, I agree with your post, which is why my plan does not involve nuking you day 1. I will push you farther down the lynch list when new suspect appears. | ||
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On March 29 2010 02:40 JeeJee wrote: also, one point that i believe hasn't been brought up yet that's EXTREMELY telling versatile has been hit by a nuke. ok so she didn't die, but nobody knew the nuke was fake. or well, at least the town didn't. that means if verse is on the mafia team, the mafia would probably be inclined to anti-nuke unless they knew that verse had no more abilities or something. now since the nuke hit we can likely conclude one of the following: 1) mafia has no anti nukes 2) verse is not mafia 3) mafia was willing to sacrifice verse for whatever reason (i.e. verse was out of nukes) 4) mafia has some way to tell fake nukes from real ones 5) some 3rd party explanation as verse is being brought up time and time again as a day2 lynch target, i thought i would bring this up as well to paint the whole story. comments? Check my long post. | ||
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-states L being banned for 2 days is not good enough reason to vote for him. Impressive pro-town move earlier in the game. Has nothing to say about it. -advocates lynching rather than nuking non-concensus nukers. Neutral move -I agree with people voting L if in their eyes there is no-one who stands out as warranting a lynch. -against using anti-nuke on Caller Neutral move/not enough information -Abstain on RoL vote Neutral move -Anonymous nuke Elemenope Anti-town move; also, non-concensus nuking. -"What does FoS mean? and no, I did not launch this nuke on you, I personally would be happy to see it hit though." "Excuse me? I didn't even fire a nuke, and if I had I assure you I would have done it publically, i've already stated Elemenope as someone suspicious I wouldn't bother doing it in secret." (over-defensiveness?) You kept lying about your identity, even to the point of over-defensiveness (second quote). Also, food for thought: Wow Xelin claimed to be NK. I don't even know what is going on anymore. Many are accepting his confession pretty leniently (which surprised me actually), so this is a food for thought. I find it highly unlikely that country such as NK, especially considering its abilities, do not have anti-town role; it is possible that Xelin, when ~OpZ~ pointed him out immediately with acceptable argument, panicked and tried to throw the suspicion off him by revealing himself, downgrading his perception from potential scum to one of those stupid foolish non-concensus-nuke-launching townies that is currently flooding the town. -Suggests that if tree.hugger is red, Versatile is red as well. Neutral move/not enough information. In fact, this could be useful if tree.hugger flips red. If we bomb XeliN and see he is also red, Versatile is slightly less likely to be Mafia. I am not as sure about his scumminess, but we could get much information about Elemenope and even potentially Versatile by his flip. Of course, the decision to whether nuke him or not should definitely be made collectively. So should we nuke him, or do you guys think he is Town? | ||
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On March 30 2010 01:46 Nikon wrote: Don't put words in my mouth for your own convenience, Tree.hugger. Well, what esle could I post at this point? Several people launched nukes, we have dead players already, NONE of them were red. Logically, we start lynching them, unless something extremely juicy pops up. I thought that's universally understood, however YOU posted asking to post future plans, and then YOU posted asking for more information. How is that not contradicting is beyond me. WIFOM, was it? Nikon, I don't endorse your action. You are simply choosing to nuke Zona- who contributed highly to the town- simply because there are some "contradictions" between the number of posts he made. Going way to overboard. Hell, I tried to point out why tree.hugger and versatile could be Mafia and tree.hugger turned out to be green. I'm starting to realize maybe, yeah, this random endorsing nuke plan is bad yeah? | ||
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Actually, he did not seem to make any notable anti-town moves until he suddenly hurled a random nuke toward Zona like all non-concensus nuker does. I think he is being thought as more suspicious than others because most of the Town trust Zona as pro-town, perhaps even more so than L. I have already pointed out nuking simply because of contradiction is flimsy reasoning. At least other people have some reason or grudge that made them launch nukes- to contrary, I feel that Nikon came out of nowhere when he started his criticism of Zona and soon followed it up with nuke. As in, contradiction can be scum-tell, but just that it is strange that single contradiction has given Nikon enough conviction about him being scum to launch the nuke. "Let me spell it out for you. Five people are already dead, and it's only Day 1. All of them were town-affiliated. You can say that we're in a bit of a crisis right now."; This quote suggests that he is following the early town policy (extend the day as far as possible) while managing to sound hypocritical - because it is non-concensus nukers like him which pushed the town intio this position - at the same time. I don't know if I am overanalyzing this here, but this post could be attempt to paint himself as irrational Townie. One thing I like to note is that he is criticizing people for focusing on inactive players. After we find out his alignment we can use this to possibly detect how active the Mafia team actually is. Either way, I don't think I need to tell you that we need to lynch Mafia on day 2. This is critical since it will give us some groundwork, as we have no comment we with 100% certainty know had been spoken with anti-town intent. I suggest lynching Xelin as lowest priority for now because he is just as likely to be third party as Mafia, and simply lynching anti-town role who do not know the identity of other Mafia isn't going to be that helpful at all. For me, day 2 lynch should either be Nikon, Versatile, or one of the suspected inactives at very worst so we at least have idea what is general strategy of Mafia. I hope everyone else propose their lynch list so that when we finally go into day 2, we have concrete plan to follow instead of wandering aimlessly (followed by equally aimless nuke). Also, like I said in the previous notes, we should stop using nukes for day 1 at least. We should not give any more opportunities for scum to fire a shot at us until Japan and Sweden is able to use anti-nukes again. | ||
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On March 30 2010 06:27 Nikon wrote: The nuke is a fake. Rest easy. wait, what? | ||
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Courtesy of Kennegit. | ||
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