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On March 13 2010 17:09 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2010 16:58 Fishball wrote: Uh, why the hell would you lynch JeeJee.
I'm wondering this as well. Although any discussion of this choice now will be tinged by the fact he was town, I would still like to hear your thought process that led to this decision. What are the things you considered scummy (behind his last minute voting stuff?) And also, what are your cases against your other possible lynch candidates Malongo and Versatile? Well, since it's day 1, probably not real cases, but what led you to consider them relatively more scummy than everyone else?
The reason for jeejee is simple.
As town, attempting a very last minute vote swing is insanely stupid. Just doing it yourself can be retarded, but getting others on board is terrible. L, much like myself, has put himself out into the open far to much so early if he was mafia. Just as I have. Him attempting this last second vote although maybe not the shadiest of things, was insanely terrible play, and also shows he will push his own agenda before that of a town concensus. That behaviour is insanely counter productive.
My reasoning for versatile and malongo is just been a lack of substantial posting that I would expect out of both of them. Especially if they are town. Day 1 is usually hard to get red, so I am not sure on either of them, but just expect more.
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On March 14 2010 11:21 Ace wrote: someone actually killed Vivi Night 1?
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Rofl, why would you hit vivi day 1
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K, I will be spending parts of tonight, and tommorrow after work (im doing a morning shift, should be home early afternoon PST) and get a list going of people who have done some rather shifty behaviour the last few days. I will try to have some of that post up tonight, but i may drop part of it in the morning before work, and the rest after.
As for the mafia hits, Massive hilarity.
I will have a more comprehensive post up hopefully soon, but as I said, may take me awhile to do.
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Xelin/malongo are two on my list atm for lack of decent posting.
and sidesprang/madnessman for being retards
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On March 14 2010 13:44 madnessman wrote:I have a question. Mafia KNOWS L is a confirmed blue role. And yet they don't kill him. Does nobody else find this odd? Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 04:59 L wrote:On March 14 2010 04:47 Iaaan wrote: I am disappointed that jeejee died, even if I can see how his vote switching was suspicious. Definitely going to be interesting to go back and look at his posts, I remember that he was very persistent at calling people out. Don't see how you can be disappointed that a green who actively tried to fuck with the town is gone via the day 1 lynch. This was probably one of the best day 1 lynches in history. Just because people don't want you in a mayoral position... How does them make them trying to "fuck" with town? How can they be fucking with the town if we don't even know for certain that you're blue? Maybe you're mafia and they're actually doing the town a favor? It's pompous posts like this that caused me to change my vote. And to those questioning my voting patterns... We have three of the most experienced players ALL RUNNING FOR MAYOR AND ALL CLAIMING BLUE. How can I vote with absolute certainty and without any qualms whatsoever when this is quite suspicious, and I am filled with uncertainty and suspecting that one of them might be lying..but don't know which one?
Not believing people's claim is all find and good. Its normal to not believe till someone proves it. However, when people literally at the very last few minutes of a vote attempt to swing it. It appears scummy. If a green is doing it, its still a bad move.
L is right, JeeJee's stunt was terrible. It doesn't matter that L would have or wouldn't have been in office from it. By causing a vote swing that late shows terrible play. It just can't be tolerated, ever.
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On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote: From what I've seen so far, I think that: I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's.
As a DT, any people who show up as red to a check will be instantly released. Anyone who is blue I will first push to prove their role, Once it is proven they will join the town circle. Any greens I find I will most likely just put in contact with other greens, and give them important information as needed. The list of blues however does not get publically announced, nor who has what role. That just gives free shots to mafia. The less they know, the better. At least for now.
On March 15 2010 06:29 Versatile wrote:
also, don't randomly call out players as potential lynch candidates and then not respond when they address your allegations. if you couldn't be bothered to follow up, it reads like you were trying to get a bandwagon going on someone who wouldn't be around to defend themselves.
As this could easily refer to me. I mentioned the post that I am currently in the middle of typing up, and someone asked me for people I believe could be red, as such I gave names.
Within the next hour I will have my post up on who I think is red and why. Just need the bit of time to sort my thoughts.
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On March 15 2010 08:08 XeliN wrote: well if BC was telling the truth about his role there is no reason he should not disclose who he has checked, instead of writing their specific role he could simply say "checked X and result was either Red//Townie" posting blue roles would be bad because it gives the mafia information but I can't see how it would not be beneficial to share the results in that way. I don't think it's right that he can get away with claiming DT and not provide any evidence that he is, seems dodgy to me.
Because in a game like this, the information I gather isn't something you want posted immediately. For instance. I say x and y are clear. guess what that means, the mafia knows people Who I am most likely directly talking with. The list I am building with confirmed townies + blues is one of those things that giving to the mafia or publically giving will allow blue snipes to happen alot faster. Suffice to say, two people are already cleared, and with greens dead, I currently have a list of 6 town aligned members of the 20 we originally started with.
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On March 15 2010 08:40 citi.zen wrote: Agreed, no public circle now. It can easilybe killed off . Also, please remember bus drivers will always come up blue, even when Mafia aligned
Well aware of this fact, you can never confirm their alignment, but can easily confirm the role.
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On March 15 2010 08:40 XeliN wrote: That seems fair enough and Incognito would probably call you out quite quickly if you were lying on that, you still haven't given reasons why you listed me as a potential lynch candidate though?
its coming in a post im writing, it will be up in about 20
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Random list of suspects
These are people that currently seem fishy in some sense that make them stand out in my mind. I will attempt to do my best at giving a reason why.
To start with Xelin + Show Spoiler +He has been “active” thus far. As in he ran in the election, although it went no where. On March 11 2010 07:30 XeliN wrote: I'm going to put myself forward for office, wasn't going to as I have an essay due tomorrow and didnt expect to be able to pay attention to this but seems like I'm going to be able to due to my laziness//need to procrastinate.
I think I am good at analysing peoples allignment from their posts, and is something that I've gotten better at the more games I've played.
DT's being able to rolecheck elected also means that I could be trusted early on and co-ordinate with blues to get us a decisive win early on.
Also i'd quite like to play an elected position simply because I have not had the chance before and it would make the game more exciting (for me).
Elect XeliN ! Keep that bolded statement in mind. He basically wanted to be checked to co-ordinate with blues. Cool idea right? However, it puts him the center of the town circle. Seems like something anyone would want. Seems kinda legit until you On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote: From what I've seen so far, I think that: I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's. Note: this abenson quote is because of the following On March 13 2010 02:52 XeliN wrote: Also L if you get voted in don't lynch Bill it would be a waste, going over the thread I would lynch Abenson On March 12 2010 07:17 Abenson wrote: Declaration: I think it's really hard for me to post anything BUT 1-liners unless I have something important or I am trying to argue a point or protecting myself. Therefore from now on I will simply post 1-liners in order to state my mood/thoughts on the current matter
P.S. I'm kinda lazy to update my post in the archives
Town or Mafia this is just plain unhelpful, also I'd like to restate something I wrote way long ago that no-one really responded to. We need to put in place and agreed rule whereby people who are exceptionally inacitve or do not contribute are lynched. Forces the Mafia to post and forces town to try to participate, win win. thoughts?
He specifically wanted to lynch abenson if elected. However, (keep in mind the abenson quote I posted above), he then agrees with him found On March 15 2010 08:08 XeliN wrote: well if BC was telling the truth about his role there is no reason he should not disclose who he has checked, instead of writing their specific role he could simply say "checked X and result was either Red//Townie" posting blue roles would be bad because it gives the mafia information but I can't see how it would not be beneficial to share the results in that way. I don't think it's right that he can get away with claiming DT and not provide any evidence that he is, seems dodgy to me. This is what confuses me. He actively wanted to kill abenson, yet agrees that all DT info should be handed over to town. In this case he does want me to name who I’ve cleared, but not their role (ok, seems kinda cool I guess) except of how bad an Idea it is. Lets spell it out simply. If someone is red, they get called out immediately, but as soon as you give a list of “cleared” players, especially this early, the mafia just has to continiously shoot them to prevent a town circle of any kind forming. So in short, my main reason for suspecting him, he wants information/be in control of information that as town, he should know how it should be used, while at the same time agreeing with the person he wanted to kill if he had been elected. Not a lot to go on really at the moment, but enough to keep me looking at him. Also as a minor note, he hasn’t kept his archives up to date at the time of this post, something minor but worth noting for reference later.
D3_cresentia + Show Spoiler + This is based on my experience when I was a host and he played in my game. He was very active in my game as a town member, very active, and he also got elected. However, this game he has been fairly inactive and the posts he has made have generally been few and not very contributing.
Simply put, I expect more out of him as his performance the last time I watched him play town was much better than it is now.
Abenson + Show Spoiler +
The kid is posting nothing helpful, and is playing the exact same he was in the game with two mafia families that the kid was red in. Simply put, he is either a terrible player who can’t play without appearing scummy, or is mafia.
~opz~ + Show Spoiler +Kid is fishy as fuck. I don’t want to quote his posts in the archive thread, but just go read the ones he has, seriously. He starts off moderately helpful, seems like a good start to the game. Proceeds to then try and toss L under the bus, not very serious but still there. Now, the important part of a post to bring up On March 12 2010 02:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh, and Vivi for Mafia aligned bus driver. That's my guess for this game. Hide nested quote - On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote: If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades.
Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate.
That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia.
We can't afford medic protection on them. maybe bus driver....But we can't protect them. Protection is for the BG's... The town will be forced to play this without our "vets" that we love.
GG, L, Incog, BC. If any of you live without being mayor (one of you most certainly will live through atleast one night), I shall be greatly surprised.
Deadly format for cruelty, but face it everyone, we all must step up and go after the mafia. Even if they aren't here to help us. So, with that said, if the vets would like to post some ideas that we should follow to win with this format, please do!
First, he pins Vivi as the bus driver. He specifies mafia bus driver, however, concentrate on the role itself. I point this out for two reasons. The only reason someone would off vivi so early (the guy is an odd day 1 choice) is they figured I was giving him information, or he was blue. This FoS pointed at vivi seems odd given the game play. Next, he mentions that with this format, the town will most likely be forced to play without the “vet” players. And if any of us live day 1 he would be surprised. Keep in mind this line of thought. By L/myself/incog not dying (in this case more L as incog and I have bg protection) he can now come out and say the only way L wouldn’t take a hit is if he was mafia, or the like. The post feels like a placeholder to allow him to instantly jump on the three of us should any of us not die right away. After that post he again accuses vivi of being the bus driver, as well as L of being gf. This is the second time putting FoS on vivi (confirmed green via death), and now L. Both of these have not been followed by any sort of reasoning to it, but just seem to be “contributing” posts. He then has some random posts, one of which states that he should be getting checked by a DT. Why would he think this, and if he is green as he says he is, why would he want to be checked so quickly while in the same post claiming he will be afk potentially for a few days, or for a lot longer as he might get arrested. He could really have had a shitty life situation (possible), however, the fact he was claiming he was getting a DT to check him seems weird if he was vanishing for days, he wouldn’t want to be checked if he wasn’t going to be able to play for awhile.
This is a general starter. There are a few others I have my eye on, but as I don’t have anything other than a general feeling without grounds, better not off trying to go anywhere with it.
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On March 15 2010 09:38 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2010 08:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Random list of suspects These are people that currently seem fishy in some sense that make them stand out in my mind. I will attempt to do my best at giving a reason why. To start with Xelin + Show Spoiler +He has been “active” thus far. As in he ran in the election, although it went no where. On March 11 2010 07:30 XeliN wrote: I'm going to put myself forward for office, wasn't going to as I have an essay due tomorrow and didnt expect to be able to pay attention to this but seems like I'm going to be able to due to my laziness//need to procrastinate.
I think I am good at analysing peoples allignment from their posts, and is something that I've gotten better at the more games I've played.
DT's being able to rolecheck elected also means that I could be trusted early on and co-ordinate with blues to get us a decisive win early on.
Also i'd quite like to play an elected position simply because I have not had the chance before and it would make the game more exciting (for me).
Elect XeliN ! Keep that bolded statement in mind. He basically wanted to be checked to co-ordinate with blues. Cool idea right? However, it puts him the center of the town circle. Seems like something anyone would want. Seems kinda legit until you On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote: From what I've seen so far, I think that: I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's. Note: this abenson quote is because of the following On March 13 2010 02:52 XeliN wrote: Also L if you get voted in don't lynch Bill it would be a waste, going over the thread I would lynch Abenson On March 12 2010 07:17 Abenson wrote: Declaration: I think it's really hard for me to post anything BUT 1-liners unless I have something important or I am trying to argue a point or protecting myself. Therefore from now on I will simply post 1-liners in order to state my mood/thoughts on the current matter
P.S. I'm kinda lazy to update my post in the archives
Town or Mafia this is just plain unhelpful, also I'd like to restate something I wrote way long ago that no-one really responded to. We need to put in place and agreed rule whereby people who are exceptionally inacitve or do not contribute are lynched. Forces the Mafia to post and forces town to try to participate, win win. thoughts?
He specifically wanted to lynch abenson if elected. However, (keep in mind the abenson quote I posted above), he then agrees with him found On March 15 2010 08:08 XeliN wrote: well if BC was telling the truth about his role there is no reason he should not disclose who he has checked, instead of writing their specific role he could simply say "checked X and result was either Red//Townie" posting blue roles would be bad because it gives the mafia information but I can't see how it would not be beneficial to share the results in that way. I don't think it's right that he can get away with claiming DT and not provide any evidence that he is, seems dodgy to me. This is what confuses me. He actively wanted to kill abenson, yet agrees that all DT info should be handed over to town. In this case he does want me to name who I’ve cleared, but not their role (ok, seems kinda cool I guess) except of how bad an Idea it is. Lets spell it out simply. If someone is red, they get called out immediately, but as soon as you give a list of “cleared” players, especially this early, the mafia just has to continiously shoot them to prevent a town circle of any kind forming. So in short, my main reason for suspecting him, he wants information/be in control of information that as town, he should know how it should be used, while at the same time agreeing with the person he wanted to kill if he had been elected. Not a lot to go on really at the moment, but enough to keep me looking at him. Also as a minor note, he hasn’t kept his archives up to date at the time of this post, something minor but worth noting for reference later. D3_cresentia + Show Spoiler + This is based on my experience when I was a host and he played in my game. He was very active in my game as a town member, very active, and he also got elected. However, this game he has been fairly inactive and the posts he has made have generally been few and not very contributing.
Simply put, I expect more out of him as his performance the last time I watched him play town was much better than it is now.
Abenson + Show Spoiler +
The kid is posting nothing helpful, and is playing the exact same he was in the game with two mafia families that the kid was red in. Simply put, he is either a terrible player who can’t play without appearing scummy, or is mafia.
~opz~ + Show Spoiler +Kid is fishy as fuck. I don’t want to quote his posts in the archive thread, but just go read the ones he has, seriously. He starts off moderately helpful, seems like a good start to the game. Proceeds to then try and toss L under the bus, not very serious but still there. Now, the important part of a post to bring up On March 12 2010 02:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh, and Vivi for Mafia aligned bus driver. That's my guess for this game. Hide nested quote - On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote: If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades.
Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate.
That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia.
We can't afford medic protection on them. maybe bus driver....But we can't protect them. Protection is for the BG's... The town will be forced to play this without our "vets" that we love.
GG, L, Incog, BC. If any of you live without being mayor (one of you most certainly will live through atleast one night), I shall be greatly surprised.
Deadly format for cruelty, but face it everyone, we all must step up and go after the mafia. Even if they aren't here to help us. So, with that said, if the vets would like to post some ideas that we should follow to win with this format, please do!
First, he pins Vivi as the bus driver. He specifies mafia bus driver, however, concentrate on the role itself. I point this out for two reasons. The only reason someone would off vivi so early (the guy is an odd day 1 choice) is they figured I was giving him information, or he was blue. This FoS pointed at vivi seems odd given the game play. Next, he mentions that with this format, the town will most likely be forced to play without the “vet” players. And if any of us live day 1 he would be surprised. Keep in mind this line of thought. By L/myself/incog not dying (in this case more L as incog and I have bg protection) he can now come out and say the only way L wouldn’t take a hit is if he was mafia, or the like. The post feels like a placeholder to allow him to instantly jump on the three of us should any of us not die right away. After that post he again accuses vivi of being the bus driver, as well as L of being gf. This is the second time putting FoS on vivi (confirmed green via death), and now L. Both of these have not been followed by any sort of reasoning to it, but just seem to be “contributing” posts. He then has some random posts, one of which states that he should be getting checked by a DT. Why would he think this, and if he is green as he says he is, why would he want to be checked so quickly while in the same post claiming he will be afk potentially for a few days, or for a lot longer as he might get arrested. He could really have had a shitty life situation (possible), however, the fact he was claiming he was getting a DT to check him seems weird if he was vanishing for days, he wouldn’t want to be checked if he wasn’t going to be able to play for awhile. This is a general starter. There are a few others I have my eye on, but as I don’t have anything other than a general feeling without grounds, better not off trying to go anywhere with it. Yo, I got a few questions for you. I think some answers will help clear up a lot of confusion with the town right now, cause right now, the town's a shitstorm of inactivity. 1) Who do you want to lynch today? You got elected as mayor, you claimed (through one person or another) that you are the DT. I'm assuming you did not find a mafia with your check or you would have said so right? It's impossible for me to know by what you're doing right now. You voted for Abenson, you put Abenson in your "random list of suspects" (more on that later). So do you want the town to lynch Abenson? I have no idea what you think of things right now. Maybe you really want to lynch L cause you think he's scum? You should probably say something. This brings me to the next point: 2) Why are you being a crappy leader? You accepted your role as mayor, you even claimed (you said you were going to claim if vivi had not done for you) so you could get into office. There, it's done. Now do something about it! You haven't done much of anything since being elected, and hey if I do say so myself, you weren't doing much before elections either. Right now, L is doing a better job of being mayor than you are, he's actively voicing his opinions and arguing with people. That's good for town. You sitting in your mayoral chair whacking off waiting until your next DT check isn't helping the town. This is assuming you even are the DT, and hey guess what it looks kinda sketchy now. There is a point that needs to be addressed to the town. L claims he has a circle of 3(?) blues, BC said he claimed to people and has hinted he knows blues, Incog claims he knows a bunch of blues as well. There are more blues going around than there are probably in the game. If you all were really blue, why haven't you coordinated together? If all of you were legit, I'd expect this game to be near over for the mafia because you probably know over half the town is innocent. Why isn't this happening? Why are none of you telling us who to lynch (exception of L here). Somebody's full of shit with you three. At least one of you is lying about the information you know. Based on what you three have individually said, this game should be nearly over. Why are we still playing and why are we guessing on who to lynch today? BC I'd like to remind you of the game past (forgot which one off the top of my head) where you got elected mayor and couldn't control your town and Pyrry led the mafia to victory. That game you made it seem like you knew a bunch of blue roles, knew exactly what you were doing to lead the town to victory, and you didn't. I had to take over as pseudo mayor that game because everyone realized you had no information. Right now I'm starting to feel the same way (although I'll give you it's still early in the game). But if blues start dying and we fail to lynch mafia, I hope you're willing to be held accountable. Your mayor of this town. Do something about it.
Finally you come out and post. Stop hiding away from the world so much.
A) I am currently on a tossup between abenson and ~opz~. My current vote was placed purely in the off chance shit happened and I was away from my computer for the entire vote duration. Unlikely, but required regardless. As for L, he seems town sided, but I believe another day + a check on him will clear that up.
B) I am doing very similar job that I do in every game. I garner info then post with it. You mention L is doing a better job, but most of the posts were defending my own lynch target, followed by him wanting BM to die. I gave my reason on the lynch kill, and as I haven't yet made up my own mind on who I want dead, its safer to not push at someone yet? My job this game is to clear innocents and narrow down the red. Any information from this that won't fuck the town over by handing a list of people to mafia will be handed to the town, simple as that. Just as if you were about to lynch someone I've cleared, I would stop it there.
As for the game in question that you are referring to. Keep in mind that the mafia convinced 2 people to stack votes on me to off me, and that the mafia who screwed the entire town over, was someone I had been advocating to kill off from almost day 1. You stepping up to be pseudo mayor wasn't even because I wasn't trying, it was because due to circumstances involving L's death combined with one failed analysis on a player led to me discrediting myself.
On March 15 2010 09:42 Foolishness wrote: Not to mention, your "random list of suspects" and your "general feeling without grounds" is total bullshit. What does that even me? "Oh hey guys this is who I think we should lynch...but I actually have no idea or any information so just do whatever I'm sure it'll work out". That's honestly what it sounded like when I read your post.
And what do you mean "better not off trying to go anywhere with it"? If you honestly cared about the town winning, you would try to go somewhere with it. You would try to make these people speak up and defend themselves. You would stop these people from being inactive. Your post basically said "I think these people are suspicious....but it's cool if they don't say anything about it".
Intuition isn't something you can just explain. Or I would just say x seems mafia because I sense he is, believe in the power.
As I have stated earlier in this thread, the DT's job is to build the list of confirmed townies + find red. We all agreed the best spot for a DT was in an elected position. So I am playing exactly as I said I would. If you don't like it, well you knew exactly what you were getting based on my opinions of how the DT should play before I claimed.
On March 11 2010 05:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As for mayoral elections.
I, BloodyC0bbler, am running for office.
With the setup of this game, and the fact elected positions can be RC'd, the elected positions are far more likely to end up in townie hands. This is a good thing, and I believe it is in our best interests to make sure town can get in.
I believe that I would be a good candidate because I have many games worth of experience, a few as an elected official, and others where I have have helped in the pinning of reds. I believe that from this experience I will be able to help the town quickly and hopefully bring about a swift end to the mafia.
The Plan: The plan is simple. Whoever is elected (in this case I would love it to be me), but regardless, whoever is elected. The dt or dt's will both check the elected officials. I would say if your a dt and numbered 1-12 on the list, check the mayor, 13-25 check the pardoner. Instantly we have information. If they are a blue role you write it down. If they are red, speak up to someone (possibly wait a day to find a green person in a check). Reveal the findings, person dies. If they are green, keep them on a seperate list.
Soon as you get two greens, RC them, and tell them who you checked and start a circle. If you get blues. Keep that info to yourself until you need it proved. If you find a dt, make them check someone (most likely one you've checked to confirm), medic prot someone, vig hit someone, etc...
Anyone who flips red dies. first half of my candidacy post.
As I feel confident on lynch targets, or as I find reds via checks, the more Centered I will be. However, as the DT, if I start randomly forcing lynches on people who flip green, I'll be offed.
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On March 15 2010 10:19 ~OpZ~ wrote: And to further suspicion against myself, BC, you missed a post. I asked who was RC'd by our "detectives," you and L, specifically. I don't like how L flip flopped around his claim. "other dt." I'm not condemning him, I just agree with bm, and citizen, L looks suspicious as fuck.
Read the thread, specifically the last page and top of this one and you will see why the RC findings arent released.
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On March 15 2010 10:24 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2010 08:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Suffice to say, two people are already cleared, and with greens dead, I currently have a list of 6 town aligned members of the 20 we originally started with. 6 would be, yourself, vivi, fulgrim, and the person you dt checked....that's 4....Not 6... Others could be lying. =/ The others claimed via pm maybe?
vivi fulgrim jeejee
myself, busdriver, and the person i checked.
simply put, 6
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swapping my vote off abenson, as people have given almost no reason why they are following my vote on him, let alone the fact my case wasn't strong. Moving to malongo with incog
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On March 16 2010 01:18 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2010 17:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: swapping my vote off abenson, as people have given almost no reason why they are following my vote on him, let alone the fact my case wasn't strong. Moving to malongo with incog wtf is this shyt. you get a bandwagon going on someone and then change your vote without calling for others to change their vote as well? when you're the reason many of them are voting that way? we should be lynching you for being the most worthless mayor.
A bandwagon started on someone I said I wasn't fully sold on, then a bunch of people hop on that train without explaining the reason. Especially given the case against him, there should have been more reasoning by others for the vote. As barely anyone has given a reason, it seems more likely that hes green getting pushed into death.
The fact people will hop on any bandwagon I make without a reason for it other than "well he did it" is a terrible reason. If people want to justify their vote for abenson, or swap to someone else and explain it sure. But don't just follow my lead to avoid actually playing. Thats pure laziness.
As for why I opted to swap to malongo, Incog made some good points essentially calling malongo out, and the guy hasn't even showen up to defend himself. That is less actively and far less helpful than the guy everyones currently jumping on.
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On March 16 2010 10:34 Versatile wrote: also BC. wth is this trash about, "oh i found a townie, but i'm not releasing their name"?
that's bullshit. guess what? the mafia already knows who is town and who is mafia. this is not new information to them, but it is to us, the town. if you are a DT, and you found a green person, let us know so we don't, among other things, LYNCH THEM BY ACCIDENT.
mafia's weakness: numbers. our weakness: information. so keeping things a secret is not useful to the town.
The moment you go to lynch them I WILL TELL YOU SO.
At the moment all I've cleared sadly for you are blues. I am not telling you who they are, and I have already confirmed I am in contact with a driver.
You at the moment don't need to know more than that. You don't need to know who I am talking to at the moment either.
This debate happened pages ago. It seems very interesting that the same people are pushing to get information on who I have cleared. If this was three days from now, when I have a larger list of people and takes time for the mafia to kill them all, possibly not a bad idea. Early on however means they can kill them faster than I can check. If they are green or blue is irrelevant. Soon as their name is down, mafia knows they are cleared.
The fact you keep pushing this same idea is baffling. I get that you want me to prove my role, I do get it. By releasing a list of names for mafia to off however is insanely stupid. Your actions while challenging me are great. I do encourage the town to do so till I am proven, however, you constantly pushing for my death + publically giving all the information I have more implies that your not playing with the towns best interests at heart.
Get off your high horse and stop demanding shit. DT info is fed via mouths, or in the case they get elected and proven (yes you can claim I'm not proven yet), they give what they can safely to town, and can give the rest to trusted confirms.
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On March 16 2010 10:51 Bill Murray wrote: Why wouldn't they be? I am a confirmed townie.
No your not a confirmed townie. Anyone pming you is retarded
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On March 16 2010 10:58 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I know I'm a townie. Rolecheck me if you want to mister mayor.
Sadly for you, my check is going elsewhere. Maybe tommorrow.
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On March 16 2010 11:01 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 11:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Sadly for you, my check is going elsewhere. Maybe tommorrow. Tell us - are you looking for mafia or are you looking to build a town circle? You haven't responded at all to my proposed plan, with reasoning, for you. At the very least BC, as mayor you should be discussing what people propose. I am very displeased at how little you are interacting with the town's opinions in public.
Most of the towns opinion is reiterating the same arguments. Some I have dealt with once, and see no point repeating.
As for Who i am checking. I have had another player RC a role I have already found. As the chances of two of them are insanely low, it means potentially one is lying. Once that is done, findings will be released.
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On March 16 2010 11:09 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 11:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Most of the towns opinion is reiterating the same arguments. Some I have dealt with once, and see no point repeating. Well for one thing, you haven't said anything about my proposed plan, one way or another, which was specifically meant for you. Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 11:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As for Who i am checking. I have had another player RC a role I have already found. As the chances of two of them are insanely low, it means potentially one is lying. Once that is done, findings will be released. Good to have you on the record on how you plan to use your powers. I will follow up on this the next day.
You have mentioned how you would want me to act yes. However, at this time (as i have stated before) the way I am going about it is by far the safest option. I don't know what else you want me to say. I am following a set path that I proposed from day 1 even before I claimed on how a DT should act.
I can appreciate the criticism of it, but you knew what you were getting.
I do agree with one of your previous posts however that if the mafia wanted to get rid of me, they would really be pushing for it.
On March 16 2010 10:31 Versatile wrote: ummm, no @ BM.
i agree with whoever said malongo being red was luck. he wasn't even playing.
as for our next lynch target: town, if you don't recognize that someone between BC, L and incog is mafia, i will once again have to refer to the collective as a bunch of dingbats.
clearly, something is not adding up. at least one of them is mafia. and if we lynch one of them, we're guaranteed a red popping up.
my suggestion would be BC. and if incog threatens to pardon, we should kill incog first.
Posts like that for instance.
This is a game many red have played before. Rather than catch someone actually giving away a tell as red, they instead just say "elected officials" are red and off them.
Let me put something as a general perspective. Mafia rarely runs multiple candidates. It does do this, but rarely. Malongo was one of those runners, then just died. Chances of any of the other candidates being red where although there, is not as likely in this game format. Remember, if one gets elected, you make him the gf and you go on safely. Run multiples in this format (even if both were to be elected) and one still gets flagged.
Think with your head please
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