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On January 27 2010 12:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Neither my or keit's behavior makes sense of both of us are mafia. If we were both mafia, it would make zero sense for him to accuse me in the first place, much less for me to strongly advocate his lynching.
If mafia are going to vote for mafia, wouldn't they bandwagon onto it rather than start the bandwagon themselves?
False. At this point, I think it is safe to assume that we, the town, are close to catching at least one mafia. For one mafia member to throw the others into the pit at this point by vehemently attacking him would remove suspicion on himself.
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On January 27 2010 13:37 derfboy wrote: Ng5's right. this next decision will determine the outcome of the game. we can't afford to go about this hastily.
i think we should double lynch mystlord and flamewheel first. the thick air strongly suggests mystlord (although the spelling is off, i'm sure most people have interpreted myst as mist). the evidence against keit doesn't incriminate him perfectly, but it works to some degree. i don't think we need to lynch him because he isn't active or a major contributor + he doesn't want to play, so he'll probably get modkilled. i don't remember what the flamewheel clue was, but it seems like a lot of people agreed that it pointed to him. if we lynch dochelvetica before all of them and he turns out blue, it would hurt us more. although the thin blade clue from night 1 seems to point to doc, the other clues are just as incriminating imo.
so if we don't get any mafia members in the double lynch, we'll go for dochelvetica, since the next most obvious clue points to him. if dochelvetica turns out red, it'd put us back into the game. if he's actually blue, gg. if we get 1 or 2 mafia in the double lynch, we can still go for dochelvetica if the new clues point to him or if someone provides an impeccable argument incriminating him.
i might be too trusting of DocH, but from what he's contributed, i think he deserves more time to prove himself innocent. also, even if dochelvetica is red, it won't matter that much if we keep him alive for another day or two because he's still a major contributor. if we can interpret what he says for ourselves, he'd still be helping us win. as long as we can lower the KP by interpreting the strongest clues, we'd be heading in the right direction.
Bolded parts are done by me for emphasis.
Bold 1: See 'Bold 2' for clarification. If you are all about not being hasty, you should be more thorough.
Bold 2: Us voting for the double lynch applies to tomorrow's day cycle, not today's. We cannot double lynch today. Again, at this point you should learn the rules, read the posts, analyze clues yourself, and essentially not contradict yourself.
Bold 3: This is a good point. No need to waste the lynch on Keit.
Bolds 3 and 4 are adjacent to one another.
Bold 4: Bandwagoner. Enough said. Call me aggressive on this, but the people who I have talked to know my stance on bandwagoning, especially when it's as clueless as this. If you're going to accuse, at least know why you are accusing.
Yes, this is a direct attack on derfboy, though people reading this cannot call me a "flamer." He is largely inactive, except for the voting, and based on opinion, that should make him suspicious. The fact that he pops up now in this pseudo-defense (stalling?) of DrH compounds the suspicion in my eyes.
Bold 5: At this point in the game, we as the town are in a dire situation. If we fail to act now, all is lost. Fanciful rhetoric aside, what I am saying is this: We have lost both our bodyguards. Therefore, the medics themselves have to protect the elected officials, and their protection may not be enough. Even if they do protect, the rest of the town is open, leading to potshots by mafia that could snipe other blues, even the medics themselves. On the other hand, this "incarceration" power can save two people--potentially, or it could end up locking blues away from their powers while the mafia runs free. In short, what I believe is that the risk of leaving the most active (and therefore for bandwagon'ed sheep, the most influential) poster (potentially mafia) alive and able to divide the town and cause medics to effectively lose their powers outweighs the loss of the incarceration power. Furthermore, I know it applies to others as well and not just DrH, but the colour of the lynched victim can shed light on those who affected/were affected by him.
If we do not act today/tonight, we lose.
Bold 6: Blind trust is a bad thing in this game. In response to the "he deserves more time" thing, he has 24 hours to present his case. Based on how much he has posted, his status as a writer, and his activity in this thread, if he has a defense he should be able to and (sensibly) post it.
Now people, this is the type of post I will be making as soon as I am able to free up more time. I will be going through all the inconclusive or extended (both opinionated and factual) to post both my own objective and opinionated ideas. For those of you who say "opinions are bad," this game is played with intuition as well as clues, and while the "gut feeling" is not as great as having solid, factual evidence, it is somewhere to start and can lead to better results.
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Darn it, citi.zen, your post beat out mine timing-wise
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Furthermore, derfboy, why do you advocate lynching Mystlord and myself when your vote is under keit?
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Oh and on that point, thank you for all the streams Mystlord.
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Seriously, who is this "free" guy >.>
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I thought of something: So obviously there are red herrings in the clues (or at least, things that we have misinterpreted), as we have been accusing townies and killing them.
But, for the mods, if they will deign to answer: We all know the unfortunate position of the miller, he who perceives himself to be town but is thought of as not. Does he get clues written about him, as if he were a mafia member?
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Ah... okay. That clarifies things for me.
Thanks for the (ridiculously) quick reply, Incognito!
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I can sympathize with the college stuff--it definitely consumes your life. Good luck with everything else as well, such as the piano recital.
To clarify a few things: You can abstain from voting, which will keep you "active" and prevent you from being modkilled.
My clue was not 'agreed upon' by both DrH and meeple, as meeple found tredmasta more of a candidate for mafioso from that clue than he did me.
The fact that DrH missed the mist clue isn't the main reason, if you read citi.zen's post on page 74. It is merely one of several factors.
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On January 28 2010 08:19 Nikoner wrote: OK, to me it seems that the case against Dr. Helvetica is fairly closed by the majority.
However, with our apparent less than stellar clue interpretation so far, I do not feel like the double lynch is warranted yet, unless you guys are 100% sure that with tomorrow's clues we will be able to find out a mafia person.
I think at this point, even if the town does score a victory tonight, we are still basically all-inning. Did you guys see the Kwanflow?
ALL IN! => Is the game over? => No (where we stand) => ALL IN!
With four days of clues and a decreasing number of people in the game, we have a higher chance each day of striking.
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Yeah, with 2 down it's definitely so, since then the next clues will point out even more. Best case scenario though, we get THREE mafia (small probability) and reduce KP. But, yeah.
T-minus two hours(ish) now. Here goes nothing, zerglings.
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Hey, I mean he played a good game...
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On January 28 2010 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 12:05 citi.zen wrote:On January 28 2010 12:00 Ace wrote:On January 28 2010 11:48 flamewheel91 wrote: Hey, I mean he played a good game... agreed. Well play Dr.H. It was pretty hard for the town to catch you imo. What I still don't get is why they did not kill me on night 2. Then none of this mess would have happened :-) I can shed light on these sort of things when the game is over.
I would like that. Post-game analysis would provide for a lot.
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Wait, 3? Funny how much difference one event can make, eh?
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Yeah Incognito, I thought the sheriff can't do that... in the rules:
Sheriff You won first place in the election. Bravo! You cannot be Role Checked by a DT. You are able to PM me during the day with a player to be incarcerated that night. Incarcerated players cannot use any powers the night they are incarcerated. If a mafia is incarcerated, they do not contribute to the determination of Mafia KP (Kill Power), so Mafia KP may be lowered. An incarcerated player cannot be killed the night they are incarcerated. If the Sheriff is lynched, no player may be incarcerated that night. You only get 2 incarcerations. You may not incarcerate yourself. The same player cannot be incarcerated twice. You cannot incarcerate a player during Night 1.
Bolding done by me. So... yeah.
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I post to throw my support behind meeple.
Will be doing my own silent analysis.
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Dual attempt: clarification and affirmation of what citi.zen has said (to bump it here) as well as a few updated things:
The case against Hyperbola.
The first inkling:
On January 20 2010 12:58 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 12:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 20 2010 12:45 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:On January 20 2010 12:40 meeple wrote: If anyone knows alternate meanings of names that could be of significance, you should state them. Just in case other people don't know them. For example:
Ng5 could be construed as a chess movement reference Ng5 as a chess movement could suggest calculating/cold If that would put Ng5 under suspicion, then what about ghote? I google the name after seeing the beatle lyrics in his profile (possible reference to Apple) and Ghote is a detective in a series of novels. A detective would have that sort of calculating/cold nature, and there is also the possibility of the apple reference pointing to him. I think those types of classifications are too vague... Hyperbola is a math term, so that could be construed as cold and calculating as well.
A first day clue, but as we've seen most of those were pretty vague.
Connection between Hyperbola and DoctorHelvetica, a confirmed Mafia member:
On January 20 2010 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 12:58 meeple wrote:On January 20 2010 12:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 20 2010 12:45 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:On January 20 2010 12:40 meeple wrote: If anyone knows alternate meanings of names that could be of significance, you should state them. Just in case other people don't know them. For example:
Ng5 could be construed as a chess movement reference Ng5 as a chess movement could suggest calculating/cold If that would put Ng5 under suspicion, then what about ghote? I google the name after seeing the beatle lyrics in his profile (possible reference to Apple) and Ghote is a detective in a series of novels. A detective would have that sort of calculating/cold nature, and there is also the possibility of the apple reference pointing to him. I think those types of classifications are too vague... Hyperbola is a math term, so that could be construed as cold and calculating as well. Maybe. The apple reference is what stood out to me the most, so I think I just really want to connect that to something. Although it definitely is, something. The StimiLant/Tea connection seems the most solid to me though.
As we know that DoctorHelvetica is mafia, the fact that he accepts but shoves aside the case against Hyperbola is suspicious.
Hyperbola's "clue" analysis:
On January 21 2010 03:34 Hyperbola wrote:Hello everybody, how's it going. As there are no real viable suspects to lynch yet I have decided to compile some clues I was thinking about: 1. “The killer blocked Kennigit's blade with an apple that had had fallen out of the refrigerator and swiftly proceeded to shove the remains of the apple down Kennigit's throat before throwing him out the window.”This clue in particular caught my eye. Something of importance along the lines of an apple, forbidden fruit maybe? Anyways... possible suspects: skronch - Really no other reason than his name. As he does not have any text or images in his profile, his name is the only thing that could be used as a clue. And “skronch” sounds like the sound one makes when eating the apple. The_Master – A little weak but blocking a knife attack with a fruit and then killing the assailant with it takes a lot of skill. Besides his name, his quote is: “[CPL]Master on team Prodigies!” 2. “Two newcomers strode inside.”This one I actually have a firm belief on. Abenson – His profile text. + Show Spoiler +Hello! I'm Abenson, an E-/D-/D zerg player who just started playing Starcraft December 2009... I'm actually a noob, so please bear with me if I ask stupid questions or seems inexperienced :D
Note: Iccup ID: xNoobZerg This seems to suggest that he is very new at the game, a newcomer. 3. “With that, he launched himself forward at the three town leaders, lifting his fists and taunting them with strange barbaric noises.” citi.zen – I don't mean to infringe on anyone's campaign but his quote: Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam. Sounds like someone babbling something nonsensical. I wasn't able to find a translation so correct me if I'm wrong. StimiLant – Again, not much to work with in his profile. Sounds like the person screaming was using stimulants? 4. “The second Mafia member glared at Qatol in disgust and contempt. "Vile, dirty scum," he muttered, shuddering.”meeple – This one is a bit of long shot + Show Spoiler +A marine approached a hooker Who had once been quite the looker (Well before a thousand took her), "Carnal bride, On the planet of Tarsonis, Whores are known to earn a bonus If they cast protection's onus Far aside."
That pecuniary offer From the horny private's coffer Held appeal. She let him boff her Very long. In their frenzied copulation, She released an infestation On his dong.
Once their sex was interrupted With his manmeat thus corrupted, Sunken colonies erupted At its base. The marine observed his error With a look of pallid terror On his face.
Having waived his sole protection, He was led by his erection By the Swarm, in the direction Of his watch. Twenty soldiers of his nation Perished in precise formation To the massive conflagration From his crotch.
Should you seek a lady's graces, Plasma-shield your nether places, Sheath your psi blades, cast a stasis On your probe. If you can't resist temptation, Just resort to masturbation. Don't disrobe. The poem in the profile briefly focuses on an old prostitute that infested the marine's cock. That's all I got. I think we should really come to a decision soon though.
Skronch flipped green. Abenson flipped green. Flimsy connections for The_Master, citi.zen (confirmed green), and meeple (clue convicting meeple is cluechecked and tied to DrH). StimiLant: tea is just as important or more important than the screaming, but this part of the analysis is later vouched for by mafia DrH.
Feeding the wolves:
On January 24 2010 07:01 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 06:33 789 wrote:This + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2010 14:31 flamewheel91 wrote:And this is not as strong of a correlation? makes me think it is unlikely that both flamewheel and kane are both mafia. Why would flamewheel seemingly throw another mafia under the bus (assuming he is mafia for this point, not accusing) to attempt to save himself. I also read through the clues again, unfortunately I got nothing. I think it would be wise for everyone to take at least one more crack at the clues to spur some more discussion before decisions are made. You know there's such a thing as reverse logic? Throwing another mafia to the wolves will make people doubt he is guilty. This last clue against kane is pretty strong. I'd say, for now, he actually is our best target.
kane flipped green. Feel free to continue analyzing me. A mafia member WAS thrown to the wolves, but much much later and only after a combined effort to bring him down from the town.
Knight captures pawn:
On January 27 2010 06:36 Ng5 wrote:Show nested quote + Hearing the commotion when 789 fell to the ground, Zona followed after him to check that everything was all right. He gasped in horror when he came upon the bloodstained corpse of 789 stretched out on the grass. He knelt over the body, trying to ascertain the cause of death. The grass beneath his knees felt surprisingly wet, soaking through his jeans, and Zona noticed that even the air was gradually growing harsh and stifling. He was starting to have difficulty breathing. The thick air stuck to the back of his throat and filled his nostrils, making him feel dizzy and drowsy. He tried to fight the sensation but couldn't and keeled over, unconscious. A man with a scarf wrapped around his face appeared above him, looking perfectly at home in the oppressive atmosphere. Silently bending down, the man ended Zona's breathing problems for him by taking off the scarf and looping it around his neck tightly, cutting off his windpipe until he breathed no more.
Hyperbola? The grass was surprisingly wet and his throat and nostrils were filled. Dizzy and drowsy. Drowsy? And dizzy? Drowning does make you dizzy and it's drowsy. Yet an animal living in water is like... fish in water. And the scarf... Look at the animal. When the tentacles are not open it could seem like it's face is masked or something. Yet when it's strangling it's prey it's face becomes uncovered and opens up!
Hyperbola's picture is that of a squid with a shell eating a crab. The mouth is open, and tentacles (scarves) are strangling. Water. Nice catch, Ng5.
The best defense is... oh wait, this isn't even defense:
On January 29 2010 05:35 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2010 02:24 citi.zen wrote:Since our mafia guys continue to be silent (I guess at this point they have said enough/nothing left to argue), I'll cover the rest of the list sometime today as well. That way, if I get lynched tonight it will not matter one iota. Hyperbola1. Clue link: please review his profile pictures, then read this: Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death. 2. Forum postsFirst mention of him as a suspect - our Mayor: On January 20 2010 12:58 meeple wrote:On January 20 2010 12:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 20 2010 12:45 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:On January 20 2010 12:40 meeple wrote: If anyone knows alternate meanings of names that could be of significance, you should state them. Just in case other people don't know them. For example:
Ng5 could be construed as a chess movement reference Ng5 as a chess movement could suggest calculating/cold If that would put Ng5 under suspicion, then what about ghote? I google the name after seeing the beatle lyrics in his profile (possible reference to Apple) and Ghote is a detective in a series of novels. A detective would have that sort of calculating/cold nature, and there is also the possibility of the apple reference pointing to him. I think those types of classifications are too vague... Hyperbola is a math term, so that could be construed as cold and calculating as well. Guess who wrote the very next post? Why, the ever-present DrH of course! This is what he tells us: On January 20 2010 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 20 2010 12:58 meeple wrote:On January 20 2010 12:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 20 2010 12:45 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:On January 20 2010 12:40 meeple wrote: If anyone knows alternate meanings of names that could be of significance, you should state them. Just in case other people don't know them. For example:
Ng5 could be construed as a chess movement reference Ng5 as a chess movement could suggest calculating/cold If that would put Ng5 under suspicion, then what about ghote? I google the name after seeing the beatle lyrics in his profile (possible reference to Apple) and Ghote is a detective in a series of novels. A detective would have that sort of calculating/cold nature, and there is also the possibility of the apple reference pointing to him. I think those types of classifications are too vague... Hyperbola is a math term, so that could be construed as cold and calculating as well. Maybe. The apple reference is what stood out to me the most, so I think I just really want to connect that to something. Although it definitely is, something. The StimiLant/Tea connection seems the most solid to me though. Right, my mistake there are other stronger clues. Lets move it along then, since we next have Hyperbola's only "real" attempt to solev the mystery. Check out the high powered arguments he finds, many days into the game: On January 21 2010 03:34 Hyperbola wrote:Hello everybody, how's it going. As there are no real viable suspects to lynch yet I have decided to compile some clues I was thinking about: 1. “The killer blocked Kennigit's blade with an apple that had had fallen out of the refrigerator and swiftly proceeded to shove the remains of the apple down Kennigit's throat before throwing him out the window.”This clue in particular caught my eye. Something of importance along the lines of an apple, forbidden fruit maybe? Anyways... possible suspects: skronch - Really no other reason than his name. As he does not have any text or images in his profile, his name is the only thing that could be used as a clue. And “skronch” sounds like the sound one makes when eating the apple. The_Master – A little weak but blocking a knife attack with a fruit and then killing the assailant with it takes a lot of skill. Besides his name, his quote is: “[CPL]Master on team Prodigies!” 2. “Two newcomers strode inside.”This one I actually have a firm belief on. Abenson – His profile text. + Show Spoiler +Hello! I'm Abenson, an E-/D-/D zerg player who just started playing Starcraft December 2009... I'm actually a noob, so please bear with me if I ask stupid questions or seems inexperienced :D
Note: Iccup ID: xNoobZerg This seems to suggest that he is very new at the game, a newcomer. 3. “With that, he launched himself forward at the three town leaders, lifting his fists and taunting them with strange barbaric noises.” citi.zen – I don't mean to infringe on anyone's campaign but his quote: Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam. Sounds like someone babbling something nonsensical. I wasn't able to find a translation so correct me if I'm wrong. StimiLant – Again, not much to work with in his profile. Sounds like the person screaming was using stimulants? 4. “The second Mafia member glared at Qatol in disgust and contempt. "Vile, dirty scum," he muttered, shuddering.”meeple – This one is a bit of long shot + Show Spoiler +A marine approached a hooker Who had once been quite the looker (Well before a thousand took her), "Carnal bride, On the planet of Tarsonis, Whores are known to earn a bonus If they cast protection's onus Far aside."
That pecuniary offer From the horny private's coffer Held appeal. She let him boff her Very long. In their frenzied copulation, She released an infestation On his dong.
Once their sex was interrupted With his manmeat thus corrupted, Sunken colonies erupted At its base. The marine observed his error With a look of pallid terror On his face.
Having waived his sole protection, He was led by his erection By the Swarm, in the direction Of his watch. Twenty soldiers of his nation Perished in precise formation To the massive conflagration From his crotch.
Should you seek a lady's graces, Plasma-shield your nether places, Sheath your psi blades, cast a stasis On your probe. If you can't resist temptation, Just resort to masturbation. Don't disrobe. The poem in the profile briefly focuses on an old prostitute that infested the marine's cock. That's all I got. I think we should really come to a decision soon though. Poor guy can't even find a translation of my profile quote! I am sure he tried to google it, read previous posts trying to find anything about it and so on, he must have tried to click that damn wikipedia page explaining the quote. Unfortunately he came up with NOTHING, so naturally the whole thing sounds nonsensical and barbaric. Good solid find, worth posting together with the other gems! Now, at the time, I read his big post and scratched my head. Guess who tried to 'splain it to me: On January 21 2010 04:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 21 2010 03:58 789 wrote: I think we need to go more into outter space. I accuse myself ... let's see uh... there number of victims last night was 3, and there are 3 numbers in my name. That's concrete proof that I'm mafia, lynch me up boys.
But yeah, whoever the mayor ends up being doesn't have much to go on for the first lynching. Hopefully day 2 will have some nice clues for us. lol. well, the mayor will go with whoever fits best. I'd say that is hobbes at this point, maybe stimilant. On January 21 2010 03:57 citi.zen wrote:Waw, going back over your post Hyperbola I find nothing useful there! You leave out important things others already said and seem to go on these side-lines without any apparent reason. I mean, after all the conversations we've had, for bad guy one you offer this: skronch - Really no other reason than his name. As he does not have any text or images in his profile, his name is the only thing that could be used as a clue. And “skronch” sounds like the sound one makes when eating the apple.
The_Master – A little weak but blocking a knife attack with a fruit and then killing the assailant with it takes a lot of skill. Besides his name, his quote is: “[CPL]Master on team Prodigies!” I am puzzled. I think he's trying to add new speculation rather than pontificate on old ones. We've already said about everything there is to say about hobbes/ghote/etc. at this point, so it's good that he is avoiding redundancy. Thanks DrH, that explanation really helped. Nail Hyperbola, that is. If this is not enough read his posts after page 74... see how he reacts. Byebye Hyperbola, you are getting 2x lynched with keit, right after Mystlord is getting vigilante hit. I'm not the mafia, mmk?
Nothing more to add to that?
And finally, the new night's clue: Also on his way home from the Thirsty Pony Pub, JohannesH had reached his apartment building and was climbing the steps in his apartment building. Even though he lived on the sixth floor, he enjoyed the exercise of taking the stairs and hated waiting for the elevator. The exertion cleared the alcoholic fumes from his head and he cheerfully arrived on the sixth floor, anticipating no hangover the next morning. However, all his good cheer vanished when he saw who was waiting for him outside his door. The Mafia member lumbered toward him. JohannesH cried out in terror and ran back toward the stairway, virtually flying down the stairs. With that big burden he's carrying, there's no way he can catch up to me, he thought. As he reached the ground floor, panting from his breakneck escape, he heard an ominous ding! from the elevator. The doors slid open to reveal the Mafia member. His shock and horror froze him in place, and he couldn't react quickly enough as his attacker slid behind JohannesH and strangled him to death.
Bolding done by me. Once again, strangling. Heavy burden? Think the shell on the squid.
Final thoughts: Most of this has already been stated. Just filling in the holes here. Vote Hyperbola off as one of your next candidates for the double.
The game ends soon. Good job town.
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