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Patch 10.8: Live on Apr. 15. 2020
Team Fight Tactics Patch 10.8 Live on Apr. 15, 2020
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Reddit wasn't joking when someone said the new FPX Lee skin looks like Ezreal. All the skins are hard to look at, the abilities are semi transparent and have pretty different shapes to the base skin. Feels like all the Lux skins, pay to win because opponent can't see anything.
- Aphelios nerfs do very little: he hits uber hypercarry by lv 13, where he can outheal any form of DPS and 3 shots anything not a tank. Now he doesn't burn through tanks with 18% ArPen, but Riot refuses to nerf him properly.
- Eve doesn't need more damage lmao
- Kalista 2 armor nerf, lmao
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Why are they buffing tier 2 adcs while nerfing tier 1s? Why nothing for Sivir, Lucian, Draven, Kog (or Lulu), Jinx or Cait? Tristana got something, but people say it's mostly a solo lane Trist buff anyway.
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On April 15 2020 20:01 Sent. wrote:
Why are they buffing tier 2 adcs while nerfing tier 1s? Why nothing for Sivir, Lucian, Draven, Kog (or Lulu), Jinx or Cait? Tristana got something, but people say it's mostly a solo lane Trist buff anyway.
Kog is always a headscratcher. Even if they buffed him to OP levels he wouldn't hit 100% simply because comp design around him is so conditional.
No reason Riot doesn't keep him semistrong for competitive at all times.
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On April 15 2020 20:01 Sent. wrote:
Why are they buffing tier 2 adcs while nerfing tier 1s? Why nothing for Sivir, Lucian, Draven, Kog (or Lulu), Jinx or Cait? Tristana got something, but people say it's mostly a solo lane Trist buff anyway.
If I have to assume one by one, they are probably careful with sivir, coz she wraps the whole meta around her when strong. Any buffs to lucian and he goes mid and top, he is a good solo laner even now. Draven has his niche where he is all right imo. Kog is also all right now in his niche, any buffs and he might burst out of control. Aren't jinx and cait ok for soloQ? and the pro scene will always pick the 2 best adc providing that they all do the same thing (give or take)
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On April 15 2020 19:07 DarkCore wrote:Reddit wasn't joking when someone said the new FPX Lee skin looks like Ezreal. All the skins are hard to look at, the abilities are semi transparent and have pretty different shapes to the base skin. Feels like all the Lux skins, pay to win because opponent can't see anything. - Kalista 2 armor nerf, lmao
I have plenty of moments where I am confusing champions and effects lately. Some that I can immediately remember are: jumping on Lux thinking its Master yi, being ganked by Ekko thinking that it is Pyke, wondering wtf is Pyke doing top minute 3? Confusing Syndra's ability with Ekko's Q and others.
If I could switch skins off, I would do it, even though I have a fair amount of skins purchased
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the pro scene will always pick the 2 best adc providing that they all do the same thing (give or take)
My main problem is with nerfing Aphelios and Senna while buffing Xayah because I'm worried about the return of Xayah/Kai'sa domination in pro play. Not too much though, as I think those two are more fun to watch than the newer adcs.
And yeah, took me 5 seconds to guess FPX Lee Sin is actually Lee Sin.
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On April 16 2020 05:26 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2020 19:07 DarkCore wrote:Reddit wasn't joking when someone said the new FPX Lee skin looks like Ezreal. All the skins are hard to look at, the abilities are semi transparent and have pretty different shapes to the base skin. Feels like all the Lux skins, pay to win because opponent can't see anything. - Kalista 2 armor nerf, lmao I have plenty of moments where I am confusing champions and effects lately. Some that I can immediately remember are: jumping on Lux thinking its Master yi, being ganked by Ekko thinking that it is Pyke, wondering wtf is Pyke doing top minute 3? Confusing Syndra's ability with Ekko's Q and others. If I could switch skins off, I would do it, even though I have a fair amount of skins purchased
YES PLEASE
ive wanted this feature forever. i have 0 skins though other than the ones riot gives for free
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Riot will (obviously) never have a feature to turn off skins, since that's the main form of exposure. And the new skins are becoming more and more extravagant, think they've really relaxed the design rules on clarity and use of semi-transparent effects. Maybe there's a mod for it...
Why are they buffing tier 2 adcs while nerfing tier 1s? Why nothing for Sivir, Lucian, Draven, Kog (or Lulu), Jinx or Cait? Tristana got something, but people say it's mostly a solo lane Trist buff anyway.
ADC role is broken. Small buffs -> Suddenly champion is OP, Small nerf -> Champ sees 0 playrate because someone else is better in every single way. Instead, Riot seems to let the newest ADC hang around just long enough for the next ones to be released (in pairs, like Xayah/Kai'Sa and Aphelios/Senna, for 'diversity') before they get nerfed. From a role perspective, ADC is the least diverse position because everyone is required to deal good DPS, so there's almost always a few champs that have the best safety/damage ratio while everyone else is crap. Especially because everyone dogpiles bot the first chance they get, can't play Kog when enemy Orrn and Elise are going to dive you the moment you leave the tower.
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A lot of that honestly has to do with how skilled pros are at diving. Towers are not strong enough most of the time. If you are diving a full HP toplaner or duo with just a big wave + jungler the game is not balanced properly.
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I don't think ADC is necessarily in a bad spot. I just think that we're at a point in LoL's life where it is much more difficult to play ADC than it has been in the past and I think that perhaps lower level players should just not be playing ADCs every game as the bot carry. Like you look at ADCs and the top level carries across the world make the role look so broken because it is; guaranteed undodgable hyper scaling damage is fundamentally uncounterable and has to come at a cost.
I guess part of that is that I'm not an ADC player, but like... For the entirety of LoLs life low level tops, mids, and junglers have had a vastly different champion pool than top level players. Even up till the top of plat no one has a problem with people telling junglers that they should be playing Warwick, Trundle or Sett instead of Nidalee, Gragas, or Taliyah. No one has a problem with you telling low level tops to play like Jax, Darius, or Garen instead of Ryze, Jayce, or GP. No one has a problem with telling low level mids that they should play stuff like Annie, Malzahars, or Lisssandra instead of LeBlanc, Azir, Akali etc.
So, as far as I'm concerned... ADCs that don't have the game knowledge and mechanics to successfully stay safe and out of range while continuing to auto attack shouldn't be playing stuff like Ezreal, Aphelios, or Kaisa and should be playing stuff like Veigar, Varus, or Heimerdinger instead. I don't exactly think that's unreasonable, but maybe that's just me.
And frankly, I also don't mind stuff like kogmaw being bad in certain metas. One day soon assassins don't be so ubiquitous and everyone will be playing hypertanks and control mages and suddenly he'll be op as shit if he's even remotely able to survive here in the assassin's meta. I think we should be encouraging diversity, not trying to homogenize the pool.
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On April 17 2020 00:58 cLutZ wrote:
A lot of that honestly has to do with how skilled pros are at diving. Towers are not strong enough most of the time. If you are diving a full HP toplaner or duo with just a big wave + jungler the game is not balanced properly.
That's just been an over the seasons kinda thing. Riot has actually buffed the everliving shit out of towers over the years because of laneswaps and so on providing a lot of unsurvivable Xv1 opportunities. If we still had the towers from before those days, nobody would ever play champs without ranged waveclear at high levels because they wouldn't even have a chance.
I think part of it is also the various abilities that drop tower damage and all the extra mobility. When you can save a flash to get out, makes life a lot easier.
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On April 16 2020 05:26 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2020 19:07 DarkCore wrote:Reddit wasn't joking when someone said the new FPX Lee skin looks like Ezreal. All the skins are hard to look at, the abilities are semi transparent and have pretty different shapes to the base skin. Feels like all the Lux skins, pay to win because opponent can't see anything. - Kalista 2 armor nerf, lmao I have plenty of moments where I am confusing champions and effects lately. Some that I can immediately remember are: jumping on Lux thinking its Master yi, being ganked by Ekko thinking that it is Pyke, wondering wtf is Pyke doing top minute 3? Confusing Syndra's ability with Ekko's Q and others. If I could switch skins off, I would do it, even though I have a fair amount of skins purchased
What I wouldn't give for just having the option to disable Arcade Riven that skin force me to play without sound as it literally gives me a headache since I'm sound sensitive... :-/
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I think part of it is also the various abilities that drop tower damage and all the extra mobility. When you can save a flash to get out, makes life a lot easier.
I generalize that statement to conditional tankiness, i.e. some mechanic that lets you somehow tank the tower for surprisingly long even in the early game. There are a lot of champs that can tank 2+ tower shots more than their actual health would lead you to believe. Pretty sure that's a reason G2 runs Panth jungle, opponents always have to worry about how easy it is for him to ult you under tower and tank 5 tower shots.
What I wouldn't give for just having the option to disable Arcade Riven that skin force me to play without sound as it literally gives me a headache since I'm sound sensitive... :-/
You can full mute a player to disable the emotes, no? I do this for all the edgy Lulu players who spam their taunts the entire game. Or do you mean the ability sounds? That sucks.
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On April 17 2020 17:20 DarkCore wrote:Show nested quote +I think part of it is also the various abilities that drop tower damage and all the extra mobility. When you can save a flash to get out, makes life a lot easier. I generalize that statement to conditional tankiness, i.e. some mechanic that lets you somehow tank the tower for surprisingly long even in the early game. There are a lot of champs that can tank 2+ tower shots more than their actual health would lead you to believe. Pretty sure that's a reason G2 runs Panth jungle, opponents always have to worry about how easy it is for him to ult you under tower and tank 5 tower shots. Show nested quote +
What I wouldn't give for just having the option to disable Arcade Riven that skin force me to play without sound as it literally gives me a headache since I'm sound sensitive... :-/
You can full mute a player to disable the emotes, no? I do this for all the edgy Lulu players who spam their taunts the entire game. Or do you mean the ability sounds? That sucks.
Lulu and nami laugh are a gift from god.
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On April 17 2020 17:20 DarkCore wrote:Show nested quote +I think part of it is also the various abilities that drop tower damage and all the extra mobility. When you can save a flash to get out, makes life a lot easier. I generalize that statement to conditional tankiness, i.e. some mechanic that lets you somehow tank the tower for surprisingly long even in the early game. There are a lot of champs that can tank 2+ tower shots more than their actual health would lead you to believe. Pretty sure that's a reason G2 runs Panth jungle, opponents always have to worry about how easy it is for him to ult you under tower and tank 5 tower shots. Show nested quote +
What I wouldn't give for just having the option to disable Arcade Riven that skin force me to play without sound as it literally gives me a headache since I'm sound sensitive... :-/
You can full mute a player to disable the emotes, no? I do this for all the edgy Lulu players who spam their taunts the entire game. Or do you mean the ability sounds? That sucks.
It's the ability sounds. The skin was the primary reason I perma banned Riven until her Dawnbreaker skin came out, the few times I didn't banned her I had to beg my teammate that wanted to play her to not use the skin. 
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On April 17 2020 20:20 AdsMoFro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2020 17:20 DarkCore wrote:I think part of it is also the various abilities that drop tower damage and all the extra mobility. When you can save a flash to get out, makes life a lot easier. I generalize that statement to conditional tankiness, i.e. some mechanic that lets you somehow tank the tower for surprisingly long even in the early game. There are a lot of champs that can tank 2+ tower shots more than their actual health would lead you to believe. Pretty sure that's a reason G2 runs Panth jungle, opponents always have to worry about how easy it is for him to ult you under tower and tank 5 tower shots.
What I wouldn't give for just having the option to disable Arcade Riven that skin force me to play without sound as it literally gives me a headache since I'm sound sensitive... :-/
You can full mute a player to disable the emotes, no? I do this for all the edgy Lulu players who spam their taunts the entire game. Or do you mean the ability sounds? That sucks. Lulu and nami laugh are a gift from god.
There is a special place in hell for people like you, I wish 10 Disco Nunus upon you.
It's the ability sounds. The skin was the primary reason I perma banned Riven until her Dawnbreaker skin came out, the few times I didn't banned her I had to beg my teammate that wanted to play her to not use the skin.
That sucks man, I sometimes play without headphones and the game is so hard, and it's required vs someone like Sion or Pyke.
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On April 17 2020 03:21 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2020 00:58 cLutZ wrote:
A lot of that honestly has to do with how skilled pros are at diving. Towers are not strong enough most of the time. If you are diving a full HP toplaner or duo with just a big wave + jungler the game is not balanced properly. That's just been an over the seasons kinda thing. Riot has actually buffed the everliving shit out of towers over the years because of laneswaps and so on providing a lot of unsurvivable Xv1 opportunities. If we still had the towers from before those days, nobody would ever play champs without ranged waveclear at high levels because they wouldn't even have a chance. I think part of it is also the various abilities that drop tower damage and all the extra mobility. When you can save a flash to get out, makes life a lot easier.
Power creep definitely is a thing. I think the only champion that can do early dives relatively easily, and sacrifices enough for it is Elise. I think she pays a pretty high cost in the mid and lategame for her very strong earlygame, maybe you could make a case for Olaf as well. But its not like you don't see Gragas+Ornn dives earlygame.
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Today I randomly stumbled upon footage of "Mobile Legends", game looks about as good as LoL itself, which seems hilarious to me.
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