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For a quick overview somebody already listed the spells you can get with Nefarian.
Nefarian mostly has a fun factor though. I'd like to use him in control warrior.
The other drakes seem pretty good, though their upsides seem really situational.
Muster for Battle into Volcanic Drake might become a thing. Imp-losion and Imp Gang Boss are also good I think.
It could even have some synergy with the new Dragon Egg. Even Hunters might run it to use with unleash the hounds to get board presence after clearing aswell.
People mention Drakonid Crusher in rush decks but I think it could just as easily fit in a big minion deck like handlock.
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On March 27 2015 17:02 TriZ wrote:For a quick overview somebody already listed the spells you can get with Nefarian. Nefarian mostly has a fun factor though. I'd like to use him in control warrior. The other drakes seem pretty good, though their upsides seem really situational. Muster for Battle into Volcanic Drake might become a thing. Imp-losion and Imp Gang Boss are also good I think. It could even have some synergy with the new Dragon Egg. Even Hunters might run it to use with unleash the hounds to get board presence after clearing aswell. People mention Drakonid Crusher in rush decks but I think it could just as easily fit in a big minion deck like handlock.
I really doubt Drakonid Crusher could ever work in rush decks.
A) Its 6 mana thats really late for a rush deck
B) Does nothing the turn its played which makes the card pretty terrible
C) Is a BGH target in an archetype that doesn't run BGH targets
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Looks fun, but not that viable, i guess well have to see.
Casual mode Mountain.
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On March 27 2015 17:20 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 17:02 TriZ wrote:For a quick overview somebody already listed the spells you can get with Nefarian. Nefarian mostly has a fun factor though. I'd like to use him in control warrior. The other drakes seem pretty good, though their upsides seem really situational. Muster for Battle into Volcanic Drake might become a thing. Imp-losion and Imp Gang Boss are also good I think. It could even have some synergy with the new Dragon Egg. Even Hunters might run it to use with unleash the hounds to get board presence after clearing aswell. People mention Drakonid Crusher in rush decks but I think it could just as easily fit in a big minion deck like handlock. I really doubt Drakonid Crusher could ever work in rush decks. A) Its 6 mana thats really late for a rush deck B) Does nothing the turn its played which makes the card pretty terrible C) Is a BGH target in an archetype that doesn't run BGH targets
Yeah I probably should've said even likelier to fit in big minion decks, because of all the things you mentioned.
But I would think you'd have to keep in mind that rush decks flood the board so it would be having to choose between BGH and a board clear which probably you can't do both at the same time.
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On March 27 2015 17:41 TriZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 17:20 Drazerk wrote:On March 27 2015 17:02 TriZ wrote:For a quick overview somebody already listed the spells you can get with Nefarian. Nefarian mostly has a fun factor though. I'd like to use him in control warrior. The other drakes seem pretty good, though their upsides seem really situational. Muster for Battle into Volcanic Drake might become a thing. Imp-losion and Imp Gang Boss are also good I think. It could even have some synergy with the new Dragon Egg. Even Hunters might run it to use with unleash the hounds to get board presence after clearing aswell. People mention Drakonid Crusher in rush decks but I think it could just as easily fit in a big minion deck like handlock. I really doubt Drakonid Crusher could ever work in rush decks. A) Its 6 mana thats really late for a rush deck B) Does nothing the turn its played which makes the card pretty terrible C) Is a BGH target in an archetype that doesn't run BGH targets Yeah I probably should've said even likelier to fit in big minion decks, because of all the things you mentioned. But I would think you'd have to keep in mind that rush decks flood the board so it would be having to choose between BGH and a board clear which probably you can't do both at the same time.
As a rush player i've found that board clears really don't bother me as opposed to taunts / minion removal 
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Neferian against druid, about one in five hundred to draw sr:fon combo. I'm giving it three weeks before we see it on trolden.
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On March 27 2015 18:23 IcemanAsi wrote:
Neferian against druid, about one in five hundred to draw sr:fon combo. I'm giving it three weeks before we see it on trolden.
Poor HearthFunny never gets recognition its always Trolden that gets mentioned
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I think Nefarian would be much better If the text would add, "these spell costs 0 mana".
Then you can get some value on the same turn you played him...
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On March 27 2015 19:37 Douillos wrote:
I think Nefarian would be much better If the text would add, "these spell costs 0 mana".
Then you can get some value on the same turn you played him...
You can always get Preparation + Sabotage or similar
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Volcanic Drake can really be played on control decks with board clears or zoo-style decks.
Both type of decks can easily kill 3+ minions one one turn and then being able to play a 6/4 almost for free is pretty good.
Is really common having to board clear on one turn and then you don't have mana to play anything, giving initiative back to your opponent. With Volcanic Drake you can clear the board and play a 6/4 minion for free.
it opens the door to way bigger comebacks and swing moves.
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On March 27 2015 19:37 Douillos wrote:
I think Nefarian would be much better If the text would add, "these spell costs 0 mana".
Then you can get some value on the same turn you played him...
0 mana flamestrike/pyroblast sounds fair.
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On March 27 2015 22:24 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 19:37 Douillos wrote:
I think Nefarian would be much better If the text would add, "these spell costs 0 mana".
Then you can get some value on the same turn you played him... 0 mana flamestrike/pyroblast sounds fair.
Since when was playing against Fuckin' Nefarian fair?????  )))))))))
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Comparing Nefarian to the other 9 cost dragons...
Ysera seems better in a number of ways. Harder to kill, immune to BGH, and dream cards are more likely to help you win the game then random spells. Nefarian does draw 2 immediately (one more than Ysera if they both die in one turn) and put the opponent on a shorter clock, which isn't nothing, but I'd be surprised if Nefarian edged out Ysera in a slow control deck, which is what Dragon decks seem likely to be.
Onyxia has an identical body, and instead of 2 spells in hand gives you a board of 1/1's, comparable in some ways to immediately casting a spell like Muster for Battle or Dark Wispers. Is a board of 1/1's better than 2 random spells in hand? Hard to say, but given that Onyxia never sees competitve play, even if Nefarian is better that might not be enough.
Alexstraza is an identical body and in many cases equivalent to also drawing and casting a massive damage (or in some cases, self-heal) spell. Even if the deal 15 damage scenario doesn't happen all the time, you're usually dealing some amount of damage or getting in some self-healing, and the fact that it happens the turn you play it makes it a much stronger tempo play than simply adding cards to hand. Even against Mage, your odds of drawing spells that will deal more damage to face than a good Straza battlecry seem fairly low, so I'm having a hard time envisioning Nefarian replacing Alexstraza
I dunno, even if Dragon decks become a thing (which I'm not ruling out, now having seen some of the strong synergies they're getting), I think it will result in the classic Dragons seeing more play rather than Nefarian.
I think that the most exciting card in this preview, by far, is Volcanic Drake. Cheating out minions for cheaper than normal is an extremely powerful effect that absolutely wins games, and the potential cost reduction on this card is insane.
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10 out of 13 neutrals released so far. Nothing meta changing imo. 
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On March 28 2015 03:58 Inzan1ty wrote:10 out of 13 neutrals released so far. Nothing meta changing imo.
Hardly anyone picked Sludge Belcher as a meta-changing card prior to Naxx, but it absolutely was. Predicting ahead of time what cards will shift the meta is tricky (unless they're blatantly OP like Dr Boom)
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Most of the cards revealed so far seem pretty fun to use but not actually good for competitive play, these three included
I really like the idea of playing Nefarian on a thief Priest deck, specially considering I could get the Deadly Poison + Blade Flurry combo... Oh! Wait! I don't have any weapons Totemic Might, Savagery, Sense Demons and Bestial Wrath are the only other useless cards I can think of that you can get with Nef, though. Everything else can be used, even if just to draw a card or deal 1 damage.
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In terms of cards that I expect to be used competitively, both the 3/5 for 3 mana and the 5 mana fire elemental seem very solid, and I'd be surprised if we don't see any Dragon decks popping up to take advantage of them, which will presumably also run some cards like Hungry dragon
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I'm most hyped for that new mage minion actually.
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well this nefarian guy could be a counter to fatigue mage, decent against mage overall. also against priest i guess. but vs every other class he's shit. i think he will see a little play. a little.
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On March 27 2015 19:37 Douillos wrote:
I think Nefarian would be much better If the text would add, "these spell costs 0 mana".
Then you can get some value on the same turn you played him...
I was thinking along the same line. Something similar to an unstable portal:
Nefarian
Battlecry: Add 2 random spells to your hand (from your opponent's class). They costs (1) less.
Now that could see some playtime.
Blizzard please.
On March 28 2015 08:14 Kabras wrote:
well this nefarian guy could be a counter to fatigue mage, decent against mage overall. also against priest i guess. but vs every other class he's shit. i think he will see a little play. a little.
Remember that the cards go into your hand, not your deck. So it won't really counter fatigue mage.
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Nefarian is decent, since he is an Ancient of Lore for Spells only. at 9 Mana with +3+3 compared to the 7 Mana AoL. I can see him in a Dragon Druid deck, even replacing one of the AoL´s to thin out the non-Dragons.
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