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On November 22 2015 09:40 Alcathous wrote: Only humans have the ability to be responsible beings. And we aren't. We allow Muslims to kill innocent people and we have a debate about animals? You got to be kidding me.
Man that...that is quite loaded.
Most of what you said was almost insane rambling but this comment here takes the cake. You seem to have this odd tin foil hat theory with vegetarians and women and you...apparently think all Muslims are bad. That uh...wow.
It shocks me that people can think like you do...and I like meat. The fact that you're technically on my side of this discussion frightens me.
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Don't worry, it's not like the vegan faction doesn't have their fair share of crazies.
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i have been vegetarian for now 2 years. one day in 2014, i decided i wanted to stop eating meat. i actually can't remember why or what prompted me, so i gave it a try for a few days.
low and behold, 2 years later, still at it. i do miss chicken fingers and burgers and bolognese pasta, but overall i do think i feel healthier and somehow morally more fulfilling. even if that's not very true...
edit: no matter the criticism, there's literally zero chance i will go vegan. i cannot give up eggs, cheese, and milk. no way sire.
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On November 09 2015 06:15 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 18:24 Artisreal wrote:On November 08 2015 14:26 Zooper31 wrote: Because we were meant to? Not sure what the question is really trying to get at. Sure we could treat animals more humane but that wasn't the question being posed. Humans were made to be omnivores and that's how we are, need meat and non-meat substances alike. If men used to rape women back in the day, does that mean it's alright to do it? You're really going to compare eating meat to raping women? I mean I guess I like eating women too...
Seems he tries to make some fallacious argument. It is not about the act, but about the logic behind branding both of them as immoral.
About 100,000 years ago, it wasn't wrong to rape women. And if you don't agree, why aren't you in Indonesia, jailing male Orangutans? See? You are lying. You do agree. Just too PC to admit it. Fact is, if not for rape, you wouldn't be here right now. We all have ancestors that were born out of rape, if you go back far enough. In fact, rape still happens today more than we like to admit. Look at the birth rate in our western countries. It is dropping. Females get on birth control and they don't get pregnant. Then look at third world countries or any country if you go back in time far enough. No birth control, they do get pregnant, over and over. Why? Are they being raped by their husband? Only when a woman gets access to birth control, she gets to control if she gets pregnant or not. Seems it is never about when to have intercourse or not. Now, I am also against rape. Rapist should be jailed and severely punished. But maybe even humans will go extinct without forced intercourse. In all these countries where women have access to birth control, population is shrinking.
Female Tactics to Reduce Sexual Harassment in the Sumatran Orangutan (Pongo pygmaeus abelii) http://www.jstor.org/stable/4602112?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents.
Rape is natural behavior. We just don't do it anymore. Eating meat is also our natural behavior. We are also allowing homosexuality now because we recognize it is natural because we observe it in all animals where we look for it. Yet at the same time we have people saying we should all become vegetarian. Only humans refuse to eat meat because of ethics. No other omnivore or carnivore shows similar unnatural behavior, only humans!
You can't have it both ways. We can't reject that what is natural, unless it is against the law.
I eat meat 5 or 6 times a week. I'd eat it every day if I had the money.
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On October 15 2015 07:28 Kukaracha wrote: Because it tastes good right? I'm a simple man, I like simple things, blahblahblah.
Here in France a video showing the insides of a slaughterhouse was just released. The level of violence and cruelty displayed are mind-blowing. You could be watching a wildlife documentary and think "wow not cool" when the pack of hyenas bleeds little by little a sick and tired buffalo. Then you watch this and feel like you've woken up from a really nice dream and that reality is really just a nightmare.
Isn't it interesting how differently we treat humans - animals themselves - and other animals? How we are really careful about not hurting anyone's feelings but yet we can lift an old horse up in the air and smash its head with a hammer until the skull shatters as if it was just an inanimate thing? Or, in a less shocking way, how we have "pet stores" where we basically keep babies in tiny unhygienic cages until a passerby has enough pity to give that little fellow a somewhat decent life?
We know pigs are very intelligent creatures, we know animals aren't that different from us, we've studied them and communicated in fascinating ways with gorillas, elephants and dogs who have shown us that they too feel emotions. Yet it still doesn't connect, it still doesn't translate into action. You can still grab a one month old kitten and smash it against a wall and it's nothing, nothing happened. Do that with a human and you're all over the news. Sure, we're different, but are we that different? Are humans everything and the rest nothing?
There is a scene where pigs are asphyxiated in a cage too small to fit them all. It's industrialized murder. If you industrially slaughter human beings through asphyxiation, it ends up in history books. If you do the same with pigs, nothing happens. Even if you can see them squeal and scream and screech to death as they convulse in that metal cage.
Even then, cheap BBQs are more important.
Video is NSFW I guess.
mod edit: video removed for being nsfw So you are against the environment animals live in when they are in factories? Very understandable but how is it related to eating meat itself?
This thread could be about responsible consumerism or about unhealthiness of meat.
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Dude. In your whole heap of rambling there is not a single coherent thought.
As far as i can tell, you seem to have this impression that women only have intercourse if they are forced to. I can't even understand how you manage to get some sort of rape statistic out of falling birthrates in western countries. There is simply no rational connection, especially if you even identified the fact that birth control is one major contributor to this effect. The simply fact of the matter is that sex is fun, and people will have sex. If they don't have birth control, they will get babies. If they do have birth control, they get to choose if they want to have babies. I don't see how rape suddenly comes into this argument.
Most of your ramble seems to be you trying to justify rape, as far as i can tell. "But maybe even humans will go extinct without forced intercourse." The fuck. I can't exactly tell what you want to get at. Do you want to justify rape? Or do you somehow feel that because we chose at some point that rape is unethical, it is utterly insane to choose that eating meat is unethical? I have real problems following your argument, because somehow you state some fact, and then you conclude that it is obvious that this leads to the exact opposite of what any sane person would conclude from them. Plus the constant weird misogyny everywhere in your arguments.
You also have this weird naturalistic fallacy in your argument where you equate "natural" with "good".
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I think humans just do what they want, just as animals just do what they want and that's why we still eat meat. If you get off on not eating meat you won't do so, if you do, you will continue eating meat.
Of course you can compare eating animals to slavery, genocide, torture and what not since they are sentient living beings who are just as well able to feel emotions as we humans do, although they can't express it in OUR LANGUAGE. If you see an animal screaming in pain what more communication do you need to verify it feels the same as a human would do? And which is the better form of communication?
150 years ago there were areas where nobody really cared for slavery and the way black people live - nowadays it's a big issue.
1000 years ago the crusaders slaughtered humans left and right and the single human life was not worth a lot, or in certain parts of the world this is still the case today.
So it's just a thing of time. If you don't have a bad conscience about eating meat NOWADAYS, it is because there is not a societal norm against it - at least not a strong one. As soon as there is, everybody will go batshit about the treatment of animals, just as people go batshit as soon as you compare slavery, holocaust or whatever to the mass production of meat and the respective measures to do it.
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