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On May 01 2013 01:30 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:25 Jibba wrote:On May 01 2013 01:19 Yergidy wrote:On May 01 2013 00:32 Shikyo wrote: I don't see how this is news-worthy(note I see how this is news-worthy but I should rather say, I don't understand why this is news-worthy. Hmmm ... or rather, this should not be news-worthy?)
Anyway good for him. If he was a girl no one would care. I agree. I don't know why everyone is acting like this is something groundbreaking. People don't care if someone is gay or not anymore and i'm willing to bet gays don't even care if so and so comes out, they are fine with who they are and someone "famous" (I put this in quotes cuz I don't know who the fuck this guy is) isn't going to change anything. Grey and red still ban same-sex marriage. Dark red bans same-sex civil unions as well. That is a whole different matter entirely. Just because someone doesn't agree with same sex marriage doesn't mean they are anti gay.... Most people are live and let live. Of course there are going to be some people who absolutely despise gays (I may make the assumption they may be gay themselves) but you always have some people who are in the fringes of the bell curve. Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:26 Klondikebar wrote:On May 01 2013 01:19 Yergidy wrote:On May 01 2013 00:32 Shikyo wrote: I don't see how this is news-worthy(note I see how this is news-worthy but I should rather say, I don't understand why this is news-worthy. Hmmm ... or rather, this should not be news-worthy?)
Anyway good for him. If he was a girl no one would care. I agree. I don't know why everyone is acting like this is something groundbreaking. People don't care if someone is gay or not anymore and i'm willing to bet gays don't even care if so and so comes out, they are fine with who they are and someone "famous" (I put this in quotes cuz I don't know who the fuck this guy is) isn't going to change anything. You really don't think people care if someone is gay or not? Tell that to every gay guy who gets shitty service at a restaurant or gets funny looks from people for holding hands with their partner. People who let this bother them need to learn not to give a fuck about what some people think of them. Sure it happens sometimes, but I am willing to bet that it isn't the majority of the time.
Ah so we're going to trot out the old "suck it up" argument. When gays are being discriminated against and it bothers them it's just cause they're too sensitive. Careful there, your privilege is showing.
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I'm straight and have absolutely no problem showering with gays. I have a problem showering with obese people but that's a different matter.
It is however time to call some of the bullshit in this thread.
Gay men not being attracted to straight men as a rule - that should mean straight men aren't attracted to gay women and straight women aren't attracted to gay men too right? Yeah... I know what you're saying, but come on, really?
Nudity not being a sexual trigger - again, come on! Did we not grow up in the same society? Were you raised in a nudist colony?
I'd have no problem showering with women but that's down to confidence and being comfortable with the situation and it's definitely not the same case for everyone.
Don't disregard the problems so easily - it's not easy for everyone. Must be hell being [the only] gay, openly or not, showering after gym class in school. Wtf, whoever went through that really has my sympathies. I wouldn't have been ready for that experience in my developing years, no way.
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On May 01 2013 01:54 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +Just because someone doesn't agree with same sex marriage doesn't mean they are anti gay... If you don't agree with same sex marriage yes you are anti-gay in a way. You tolerate them doing their things but you don't want them to marry. You don't want them to do something others do because they are gay, so it's anti-gay. It's pretty simple but alot of people deny that.
It's not that simple. I'm strictly against gay people getting married, because marriage has been formed to be a religious act in the first place and today still a huge part of it is religion (although the state has taken over the paper stuff). And if that religion mostly agrees on being against gay people, so be it, let them be. I'm all for allowing gay people to have a commitment that has the same rights as marriage, just gets called different to not step on the toes of christians. Because I believe in tolerating others and their beliefs as long as it does not hurt anyone.
So even though I would vote anywhere I can against same sex marriage, I'm not anti-gay in any way. It's not as simple as you put it.
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On May 01 2013 02:07 Cirqueenflex wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:54 Acertos wrote:Just because someone doesn't agree with same sex marriage doesn't mean they are anti gay... If you don't agree with same sex marriage yes you are anti-gay in a way. You tolerate them doing their things but you don't want them to marry. You don't want them to do something others do because they are gay, so it's anti-gay. It's pretty simple but alot of people deny that. It's not that simple. I'm strictly against gay people getting married, because marriage has been formed to be a religious act in the first place and today still a huge part of it is religion (although the state has taken over the paper stuff). And if that religion mostly agrees on being against gay people, so be it, let them be. I'm all for allowing gay people to have a commitment that has the same rights as marriage, just gets called different to not step on the toes of christians. Because I believe in tolerating others and their beliefs as long as it does not hurt anyone. So even though I would vote anywhere I can against same sex marriage, I'm not anti-gay in any way. It's not as simple as you put it.
It'd be awesome if people could even read like...2 posts above them to see that this point has already thoroughly been covered.
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Please, voting against same-sex marriage also means you are certain rights. I understand why you would want to vote against religious same-sex marriage but voting against civil marriage and still claim not to be anti-gay is stretching it.
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On May 01 2013 02:07 Cirqueenflex wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:54 Acertos wrote:Just because someone doesn't agree with same sex marriage doesn't mean they are anti gay... If you don't agree with same sex marriage yes you are anti-gay in a way. You tolerate them doing their things but you don't want them to marry. You don't want them to do something others do because they are gay, so it's anti-gay. It's pretty simple but alot of people deny that. It's not that simple. I'm strictly against gay people getting married, because marriage has been formed to be a religious act in the first place and today still a huge part of it is religion (although the state has taken over the paper stuff). And if that religion mostly agrees on being against gay people, so be it, let them be. I'm all for allowing gay people to have a commitment that has the same rights as marriage, just gets called different to not step on the toes of christians. Because I believe in tolerating others and their beliefs as long as it does not hurt anyone. So even though I would vote anywhere I can against same sex marriage, I'm not anti-gay in any way. It's not as simple as you put it.
Your tolerance of intolerance actually does hurt others. Nobody wants to civil union anyone, they want to marry.
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On May 01 2013 02:10 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:07 Cirqueenflex wrote:On May 01 2013 01:54 Acertos wrote:Just because someone doesn't agree with same sex marriage doesn't mean they are anti gay... If you don't agree with same sex marriage yes you are anti-gay in a way. You tolerate them doing their things but you don't want them to marry. You don't want them to do something others do because they are gay, so it's anti-gay. It's pretty simple but alot of people deny that. It's not that simple. I'm strictly against gay people getting married, because marriage has been formed to be a religious act in the first place and today still a huge part of it is religion (although the state has taken over the paper stuff). And if that religion mostly agrees on being against gay people, so be it, let them be. I'm all for allowing gay people to have a commitment that has the same rights as marriage, just gets called different to not step on the toes of christians. Because I believe in tolerating others and their beliefs as long as it does not hurt anyone. So even though I would vote anywhere I can against same sex marriage, I'm not anti-gay in any way. It's not as simple as you put it. It'd be awesome if people could even read like...2 posts above them to see that this point has already thoroughly been covered.
sorry, I spaced out on those 5 posts. My bad
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On May 01 2013 02:07 Cirqueenflex wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:54 Acertos wrote:Just because someone doesn't agree with same sex marriage doesn't mean they are anti gay... If you don't agree with same sex marriage yes you are anti-gay in a way. You tolerate them doing their things but you don't want them to marry. You don't want them to do something others do because they are gay, so it's anti-gay. It's pretty simple but alot of people deny that. It's not that simple. I'm strictly against gay people getting married, because marriage has been formed to be a religious act in the first place and today still a huge part of it is religion (although the state has taken over the paper stuff).
You need to do a little reading. Marriage was not formed as a religious act. It predates your religion. By a long while. Religion adopted it, and is now trying to claim a monopoly on it.
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On May 01 2013 02:01 Thrill wrote: I'm straight and have absolutely no problem showering with gays. I have a problem showering with obese people but that's a different matter.
It is however time to call some of the bullshit in this thread.
Gay men not being attracted to straight men as a rule - that should mean straight men aren't attracted to gay women and straight women aren't attracted to gay men too right? Yeah... I know what you're saying, but come on, really?
Nudity not being a sexual trigger - again, come on! Did we not grow up in the same society? Were you raised in a nudist colony?
I'd have no problem showering with women but that's down to confidence and being comfortable with the situation and it's definitely not the same case for everyone.
Don't disregard the problems so easily - it's not easy for everyone. Must be hell being [the only] gay, openly or not, showering after gym class in school. Wtf, whoever went through that really has my sympathies. I wouldn't have been ready for that experience in my developing years, no way. Hmm... Having played in alot of clubs in diferent sports, I took my shower with a gay for like 2 years (we were both 12 or something and played rugby).
A little interesting story about this gay friend of mine. I knew him since I was 5 and he was always womanish. Now we are both 18 and he only admitted he was gay like 1 year ago so I completely agree with you, it is really hard to live and admit it. His father is a mason and a volunteering basketball trainor. The type of people who aren't open-minded, proud and macho because he fucked with a bunch of stupid chicks from his village. So my friend told me that his father tried to make him meet girls and stuff but he instead of going out with them talked about "girly" things, he just wasn't attracted to them. Now you can't say it is easy to live with it, the guy had some serious arguments with his father and got shitted on by a ton of people after he admitted it. In his family only his mother supported him, what a bunch of retards. In the country-side where we both lived, people either shit on gays or don't say anything when others do. The mentalities are just awful in the older generation and the worsts transmitted it to their children.
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On May 01 2013 02:26 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 02:01 Thrill wrote: I'm straight and have absolutely no problem showering with gays. I have a problem showering with obese people but that's a different matter.
It is however time to call some of the bullshit in this thread.
Gay men not being attracted to straight men as a rule - that should mean straight men aren't attracted to gay women and straight women aren't attracted to gay men too right? Yeah... I know what you're saying, but come on, really?
Nudity not being a sexual trigger - again, come on! Did we not grow up in the same society? Were you raised in a nudist colony?
I'd have no problem showering with women but that's down to confidence and being comfortable with the situation and it's definitely not the same case for everyone.
Don't disregard the problems so easily - it's not easy for everyone. Must be hell being [the only] gay, openly or not, showering after gym class in school. Wtf, whoever went through that really has my sympathies. I wouldn't have been ready for that experience in my developing years, no way. Hmm... Having played in alot of clubs in diferent sports, I took my shower with a gay for like 2 years (we were both 12 or something and played rugby). A little interesting story about this gay friend of mine. I knew him since I was 5 and he was always womanish. Now we are both 18 and he only admitted he was gay like 1 year ago so I completely agree with you, it is really hard to live and admit it. His father is a mason and a volunteering basketball trainor. The type of people who aren't open-minded, proud and macho because he fucked with a bunch of stupid chicks from his village. So my friend told me that his father tried to make him meet girls and stuff but he instead of going out with them talked about "girly" things, he just wasn't attracted to them. Now you can't say it is easy to live with it, the guy had some serious arguments with his father and got shitted on by a ton of people after he admitted it. In his family only his mother supported him, what a bunch of retards. In the country-side where we both lived, people either shit on gays or don't say anything when others do. The mentalities are just awful in the older generation and the worsts transmitted it to their children.
There's this stereotype that Europe is tolerant and the US is homophobic. But the truth is that the difference between generations or urban/non-urban communities is much larger than the average difference between any two western countries.
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On April 30 2013 17:53 Xapti wrote:Show nested quote +Chris Broussard: I believe that’s walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ. So I would not characterize that person as a Christian because I don’t think the Bible would characterize him as a Christian. He's probably breaking a lot of laws written in the bible himself, he just probably wasn't paying enough attention to them (wearing mixed fibers, just to state one).
Lol I always bring this up when discussing religion and homosexuality. I always ask people why they don't protest mixed fabrics instead.
On May 01 2013 02:07 Cirqueenflex wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 01:54 Acertos wrote:Just because someone doesn't agree with same sex marriage doesn't mean they are anti gay... If you don't agree with same sex marriage yes you are anti-gay in a way. You tolerate them doing their things but you don't want them to marry. You don't want them to do something others do because they are gay, so it's anti-gay. It's pretty simple but alot of people deny that. It's not that simple. I'm strictly against gay people getting married, because marriage has been formed to be a religious act in the first place and today still a huge part of it is religion (although the state has taken over the paper stuff). And if that religion mostly agrees on being against gay people, so be it, let them be. I'm all for allowing gay people to have a commitment that has the same rights as marriage, just gets called different to not step on the toes of christians. Because I believe in tolerating others and their beliefs as long as it does not hurt anyone. So even though I would vote anywhere I can against same sex marriage, I'm not anti-gay in any way. It's not as simple as you put it.
Do you think people who wear mixed fabrics are going to the same place as homosexuals?
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When will we legalize incest marriage in Western countries? Brother and sister getting married makes more sense than gay marriage, because at least they can have their own babies. If they are both adults, with the ability to consent then why not?
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On May 01 2013 03:20 karpotoss wrote: When will we legalize incest marriage in Western countries? Brother and sister getting married makes more sense than gay marriage, because at least they can have their own babies. If they are both adults, with the ability to consent then why not?
As far as I'm concerned encouraging incest procreation is like encouraging child abuse. What the fuck does this have to do with gay marriage?
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On May 01 2013 03:20 karpotoss wrote: When will we legalize incest marriage in Western countries? Brother and sister getting married makes more sense than gay marriage, because at least they can have their own babies. If they are both adults, with the ability to consent then why not?
Reduced fertility both in litter size and sperm viability Increased genetic disorders Fluctuating facial asymmetry Lower birth rate Higher infant mortality Slower growth rate Smaller adult size Loss of immune system function
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i dont get why they have to openly say it ... i really NOT care who any sport star has sex with, women men dogs ... why is this so importent for everyone like "oh good" or "oh bad" ... only for fangirls perhaps who are sad now ? perhaps someone can explain me why its so importent for everyone who fucks who i like to know "is he a good player" then i like him, what he does in bed doesnt care me ANYTHING
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On May 01 2013 03:30 CoR wrote:i dont get why they have to openly say it ... i really NOT care who any sport star has sex with, women men dogs ... why is this so importent for everyone like "oh good" or "oh bad" ... only for fangirls perhaps who are sad now ? perhaps someone can explain me why its so importent for everyone who fucks who i like to know "is he a good player" then i like him, what he does in bed doesnt care me ANYTHING
There is still a lot of homophobia within the sports world and for someone to come out openly is going to bring that person a lot of heat and backlash, but it is a step forward in the acceptance of gays in the sports community. That's why it is news.
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I feel like this entire thing is detrimental. I don't know why someone coming out has to be a deal. The best thing that could happen for the LGBT movement is for it to stop being such a hyped up freaking thing. Someone should be able to come out without hours and hours of news coverage and their face plastered everywhere. If anything this is going to stop any other players from coming out because they fear their face being plastered across ESPN and being labelled as an activist and shit. I'm sure the thing these guys and girls want most is for them to be able to be thought of as anyone else, that it's not a big deal if they're gay or not and for the world to fucking move on.
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I like how this no-name scrub on the tail-end of his career just now decides to reveal he's gay.. talk about cashing in. Its not as if this is going to change anyone's opinions about homosexuality either - that will only happen if a big-name player with fans comes out. This is just a chance for the media and the NBA to pat themselves on the back for how "progressive" they are.
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On May 01 2013 03:30 CoR wrote:i dont get why they have to openly say it ... i really NOT care who any sport star has sex with, women men dogs ... why is this so importent for everyone like "oh good" or "oh bad" ... only for fangirls perhaps who are sad now ? perhaps someone can explain me why its so importent for everyone who fucks who i like to know "is he a good player" then i like him, what he does in bed doesnt care me ANYTHING Ahh, but this is the crux of the issue. A large number of US citizens think it their business what other citizens do in the privacy of their bedrooms and homes, and these very same people fight politically to have these people marginalized in a legal sense. There are substantial portions of the world population that actively fight to keep homosexuals and trans folk from enjoying the same rights as heterosexuals, and if tolerance doesn't speak up, intolerance will.
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