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public education in the u.s. is a huge failure and a sad sad problem (talking about pre-university).
a lot of universities aren't much better, in general, but there is opportunity. there's opportunity everywhere, really, but the idea that it helps everyone who "cares" or "tries" is pretty much a lie. how many of you sat through over a decade of education on science, history, math, literature, and probably know, well, 5% of that? 1%? honestly, you know what you do, and that's it. and that's the problem. in the end you aren't doing very much besides spitting things back out on tests and night-before assignments. it is a competition, an obstacle course, not an education. now occasionally you get the exceptional teacher who manages to put you into a state of learning, and maybe you got 1 of those, maybe 5, maybe 0. the people who got lucky in that department always come and defend the education system, not realizing that if they had a few different teachers they would have got absolutely nothing out of the whole decades of shit.
i see people about to get their bachelors' who are pretty much incoherent when it comes to basic history, reading, writing, speaking. they memorized facts before a test and know a couple of formulas. they did some poor, worthless papers and got B's on them. that's what a bachelors means these days. so look at what you're turning in. that's what represents you, not the degree. the degree means you are willing to suffer and not ask questions, and just about everyone is getting them.
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On January 22 2006 11:31 MoltkeWarding wrote: I don't know but if it really told you that government supported education began over 1000 years ago in Prussia it's pretty off base.
The earliest instance of what may vaguely be called government-sponsored schools AFAIK were the Palace schools of the Merovingian and Carolinian monarchs. Modern government-sponsored education began no earlier than 200 years ago. 1000 years ago education was under the dominion of either the church or the monestaries, while appreticeship education began with the guilds. The University was founded around 900 years ago, in Italy, and was guild that gradually came under the influence of the church, and not of any central government.
And Prussia did not exist 1000 years ago -.-.
Erm i'll check the numbers again, bad memory ><
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Make all children finish eating up their vegetables before leaving the table. Mhm! Parents are usually much too lenient in this regard, and it's time for some proper government iron fist spanking!
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Government should force you to give all your hard-earned money to the poor(er). No, really, I'm serious. Or am I? The government should not force you to give to charity (social security, disaster victims, etc) by using taxes.
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On January 22 2006 15:56 mitsy wrote: public education in the u.s. is a huge failure and a sad sad problem (talking about pre-university).
a lot of universities aren't much better, in general, but there is opportunity. there's opportunity everywhere, really, but the idea that it helps everyone who "cares" or "tries" is pretty much a lie. how many of you sat through over a decade of education on science, history, math, literature, and probably know, well, 5% of that? 1%? honestly, you know what you do, and that's it. and that's the problem. in the end you aren't doing very much besides spitting things back out on tests and night-before assignments. it is a competition, an obstacle course, not an education. now occasionally you get the exceptional teacher who manages to put you into a state of learning, and maybe you got 1 of those, maybe 5, maybe 0. the people who got lucky in that department always come and defend the education system, not realizing that if they had a few different teachers they would have got absolutely nothing out of the whole decades of shit.
i see people about to get their bachelors' who are pretty much incoherent when it comes to basic history, reading, writing, speaking. they memorized facts before a test and know a couple of formulas. they did some poor, worthless papers and got B's on them. that's what a bachelors means these days. so look at what you're turning in. that's what represents you, not the degree. the degree means you are willing to suffer and not ask questions, and just about everyone is getting them.
It depends on what you are studying. I am studying one of those stupid engineering program and most of my classes are all exams. One quiz per week and a final or 2 midterm and a final. So you kind have to know the stuff. For the most part you are right. The eduaction systems are a complet bs. It's sole purpose to make us in to some mechnical parts for the machine.
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On January 22 2006 17:43 inkblot wrote: Government should force you to give all your hard-earned money to the poor(er). No, really, I'm serious. Or am I? The government should not force you to give to charity (social security, disaster victims, etc) by using taxes.
I dont see how you can give the money to the poor directly. For example how do you know who need money the most? And how can you find the person and give money to him?
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On January 22 2006 18:12 Person514cs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2006 15:56 mitsy wrote: public education in the u.s. is a huge failure and a sad sad problem (talking about pre-university).
a lot of universities aren't much better, in general, but there is opportunity. there's opportunity everywhere, really, but the idea that it helps everyone who "cares" or "tries" is pretty much a lie. how many of you sat through over a decade of education on science, history, math, literature, and probably know, well, 5% of that? 1%? honestly, you know what you do, and that's it. and that's the problem. in the end you aren't doing very much besides spitting things back out on tests and night-before assignments. it is a competition, an obstacle course, not an education. now occasionally you get the exceptional teacher who manages to put you into a state of learning, and maybe you got 1 of those, maybe 5, maybe 0. the people who got lucky in that department always come and defend the education system, not realizing that if they had a few different teachers they would have got absolutely nothing out of the whole decades of shit.
i see people about to get their bachelors' who are pretty much incoherent when it comes to basic history, reading, writing, speaking. they memorized facts before a test and know a couple of formulas. they did some poor, worthless papers and got B's on them. that's what a bachelors means these days. so look at what you're turning in. that's what represents you, not the degree. the degree means you are willing to suffer and not ask questions, and just about everyone is getting them. It depends on what you are studying. I am studying one of those stupid engineering program and most of my classes are all exams. One quiz per week and a final or 2 midterm and a final. So you kind have to know the stuff. For the most part you are right. The eduaction systems are a complet bs. It's sole purpose to make us in to some mechnical parts for the machine.
Higher education (ie; college, grad school) is actually quite decent in the US. Mitsy; the fact that students retain nothing they learned is NOT due to the education system solely, but is also due to the actions of the students. Those smart and motivated enough to fully utilize the US educational system will benefit greatly.
Person514cs; The "eduaction systems" are not "complet bs" for those that apply themselves. In the US, you can go to any school you want if you're intelligent/ motivated enough and money is not an issue at all. One of the main reason the world powers are considered so is because of their advanced education systems. Some third world countries do not have any sort of education system and many of their universities cannot be entered without LARGE sums of money.
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On January 22 2006 15:56 mitsy wrote: public education in the u.s. is a huge failure and a sad sad problem (talking about pre-university).
a lot of universities aren't much better, in general, but there is opportunity. there's opportunity everywhere, really, but the idea that it helps everyone who "cares" or "tries" is pretty much a lie. how many of you sat through over a decade of education on science, history, math, literature, and probably know, well, 5% of that? 1%? honestly, you know what you do, and that's it. and that's the problem. in the end you aren't doing very much besides spitting things back out on tests and night-before assignments. it is a competition, an obstacle course, not an education. now occasionally you get the exceptional teacher who manages to put you into a state of learning, and maybe you got 1 of those, maybe 5, maybe 0. the people who got lucky in that department always come and defend the education system, not realizing that if they had a few different teachers they would have got absolutely nothing out of the whole decades of shit.
i see people about to get their bachelors' who are pretty much incoherent when it comes to basic history, reading, writing, speaking. they memorized facts before a test and know a couple of formulas. they did some poor, worthless papers and got B's on them. that's what a bachelors means these days. so look at what you're turning in. that's what represents you, not the degree. the degree means you are willing to suffer and not ask questions, and just about everyone is getting them.
The degree means a lot actually. It means you completed a certain set of courses getting above a certain grade in your major and in some cases minor. It also means you have dedication, a good work ethic and are somewhat well rounded because you have to take generals. Talking about what the person actually learned on a personal level is a different issue. Some classes are introductory to just give you a general idea of the subject and some classes are more in depth requiring 2 or 3 prerequesites. In a graphics class my group and I developed a basic 3d game engine which took a month and a half to complete. I learned a lot from that and other projects like it throughout my college education.
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On January 22 2006 18:33 oPtioNaLk wrote: Higher education (ie; college, grad school) is actually quite decent in the US. Mitsy; the fact that students retain nothing they learned is NOT due to the education system solely, but is also due to the actions of the students. Those smart and motivated enough to fully utilize the US educational system will benefit greatly. what a load
i said: u get a degree without getting anything out of it.
u said: well some students don't.
no shit.
Person514cs; The "eduaction systems" are not "complet bs" for those that apply themselves. In the US, you can go to any school you want if you're intelligent/ motivated enough and money is not an issue at all. One of the main reason the world powers are considered so is because of their advanced education systems. Some third world countries do not have any sort of education system and many of their universities cannot be entered without LARGE sums of money. and another
proof you don't know history
On January 22 2006 18:53 HowitZer wrote: The degree means a lot actually. It means you completed a certain set of courses getting above a certain grade in your major and in some cases minor. It also means you have dedication, a good work ethic and are somewhat well rounded because you have to take generals. Talking about what the person actually learned on a personal level is a different issue. Some classes are introductory to just give you a general idea of the subject and some classes are more in depth requiring 2 or 3 prerequesites. In a graphics class my group and I developed a basic 3d game engine which took a month and a half to complete. I learned a lot from that and other projects like it throughout my college education. and another
i said: u get a degree that proves nothing, classes mostly worthless
u said: well some students learn, and some classes are good sometimes
whoopy fricken shit.
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