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Sandtrout
Profile Joined July 2011
243 Posts
December 18 2011 22:30 GMT
#261
I once had a somewhat lucid dream... it was really strange, because a few "dream minutes" after I realised that I was dreaming and after I influenced my environment (which was really awesome), my brain seemingly decided that I shouldn't know that I was dreaming. So I dreamt that I woke up, it was so realistic that I had memories of doing something before I went to sleep (not what I really did before going to sleep but something completely different), going to sleep, dreaming and then waking up. Close before realizing that this was still a dream, my brain woke me up again and I was in my third dream which was structured similarly to the dream before but again with a different story. Obviously my brain had confused me enough with that because I was unable to recognize that I was still sleeping.
I never was able to have another lucid dream after that

About the lucid dream itself:
I was outside with a few friends when suddenly meteorites fell from the sky... they were all scared but then I realized that it wasn't real and told them "don't worry, it's just a dream". After that realization I could influence the meteorites like turning them away from us and changing their appearance (turning one into a ball of pure gold for example).
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
December 19 2011 00:55 GMT
#262
Never had a lucid dream before. I've come close, to the point of where I can kind of dictate where I want my dream to head too, but I can't say make myself start doing jumping jacks or something. It sounds really interesting though, but I'd feel like I would just ruin it by making myself have an orgy or something.
Gonna keep checking back on this thread, hopefully I'll get lucky and have one soon.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
Friedrich Nietzsche
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany171 Posts
December 19 2011 01:00 GMT
#263
The Matrix movie has a very well-thought description of dream, society, and erality in general.

What if we are all in a collective dream-state? And lucid dreaming is actually rare glimpses we have on the world as it really is? The real question is, as in Inception, will we even bother to wake up to that reality if the dream is so good?
Nicht!
Nancial
Profile Joined July 2011
197 Posts
December 19 2011 01:22 GMT
#264
I think I've never had one in my life :D
except for that case where I was having sex and suddenly I noticed my dick was huger than usual and for a few seconds I was more or less conscious in that dream XDDD mmmm doesnt matter, had lucid dream sex.
NtroP
Profile Joined July 2010
United States174 Posts
December 19 2011 01:27 GMT
#265
On December 19 2011 10:00 Friedrich Nietzsche wrote:
The Matrix movie has a very well-thought description of dream, society, and erality in general.

What if we are all in a collective dream-state? And lucid dreaming is actually rare glimpses we have on the world as it really is? The real question is, as in Inception, will we even bother to wake up to that reality if the dream is so good?


Research out of body experiences to learn more about that.
lizzard_warish
Profile Joined June 2011
589 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 01:34:14
December 19 2011 01:33 GMT
#266
Only had one lucid dream that didnt end immediately upon me realizing it, with the semi ability to control things. I was just walking around in some kind of village, and it dawned on me that it was all fake. So, naturally, I decided I'd use my godlike powers to create a harem and have sex, figuring the vibrancy of the dream may create a rather fun experience. Unfortunately my being aware didnt lead to much control, I just wasnt aware of how to "make" someone. Instead, I decided id walk along the path I was and have sex with the first girl my mind conjured up, which I did, though it time skipped, I felt nothing, and to be honest, I woke up just as things got interesting.

It felt like maybe a minute, minute and a half? That was about a month ago, since then ive had increasing realizations that im dreaming, though it either results in me having no real conscious thought [essentially: ah, this is all fake > proceed to interact with dream as normal] or I wake up soon after.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
December 21 2011 01:29 GMT
#267
(I did a TL search for dreams and found this thread) I don't know if it was a "lucid dream"

Today I dreamed that I found a shitload of Korean money on the ground next to an ATM machine. I didn't give the money to the police... fuck that I got bills to pay! It was a lot of 50,000 WON bills and some 10,000s and 5,000s on the ground. I looked around to see if anyone was watching and then grabbed as much of the money off the ground as possible. When I finally woke up I was mad as hell though because it felt so real.

Hopefully it's a sign because I'm broke...
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
December 24 2011 16:14 GMT
#268
On December 21 2011 10:29 Silentness wrote:
(I did a TL search for dreams and found this thread) I don't know if it was a "lucid dream"

Today I dreamed that I found a shitload of Korean money on the ground next to an ATM machine. I didn't give the money to the police... fuck that I got bills to pay! It was a lot of 50,000 WON bills and some 10,000s and 5,000s on the ground. I looked around to see if anyone was watching and then grabbed as much of the money off the ground as possible. When I finally woke up I was mad as hell though because it felt so real.

Hopefully it's a sign because I'm broke...


hate those dreams... when i find something and wake up like "that money was useful"
Yes im
Cirqueenflex
Profile Joined October 2010
499 Posts
December 24 2011 16:32 GMT
#269
i sometimes dream of puzzles (like a locked room escape or other stuff) and then try to solve the riddle all night long. And when it gets close to morning i give myself the brilliant (and realistic) solution to a problem i considered unsolvable. Then i wake up and am amazed how my unconcious part is so much smarter than the concious part of my brain :p
Give a man a fire, you keep him warm for a night. Set a man on fire, and you keep him warm for the rest of his life.
Stropheum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1124 Posts
December 24 2011 16:47 GMT
#270
As far as inducing lucid dreams, I found it works best when you're basically as healthy as possible, mentally and physically.

You need a good sleep schedule, where you can wake up naturally and not be tired. Also you need a good diet and exercise regularly, or at least it helps. After that, you either need to figure out how to induce them from a waking state or find ways to trigger them mid-dream. Just so you know, triggering them is a lot easier but they don't last nearly as long.

If you learn how to induce lucid dreams from a waking state (which is the scariest thing I've ever experienced) then your lucid dreams can last for several perceived hours, whereas when I've triggered lucid dreams mid-sleep, you spend a lot of your REM cycle dreaming before you become lucid, so obviously your perceived experience wont' be as long.

Some helpful things to do are to regularly flick the light switch off and on every time you enter a room and always check digital clocks. This is because in dreams, you cannot actually control dramatic light shifts, and digital clocks never seem to read correctly. If you can witness this phenomena and tell yourself that you're dreaming without waking up, you'll immediately have total control of your dream.

Inducing from a waking state is a lot harder. You basically have to allow yourself to fall asleep while being aware of the fact that you're falling asleep. The only way I can describe the sensation is that you feel like there's this large black mass trying to engulf you, and you have to just allow it to happen. Once you enter your REM cycle the dream world literally realizes itself in front of your eyes. It's pretty incredible, but I've only done it successfully once, but it was my best lucid dream ever.
smokeyhoodoo
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1021 Posts
December 24 2011 17:06 GMT
#271
I have lucid dreams pretty frequently. Luckily I get them naturally, many people must resort to certain techniques and exercises to experience them. Telekinetic powers are pretty sick.
There is no cow level
Jabroney
Profile Joined December 2011
United States17 Posts
December 24 2011 17:43 GMT
#272
Even if you are aware that you are dreaming that doesn't mean you can control it noob.
U mad?
Stropheum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1124 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-24 19:15:18
December 24 2011 19:03 GMT
#273
On December 25 2011 02:43 Jabroney wrote:
Even if you are aware that you are dreaming that doesn't mean you can control it noob.

Are you talking to me? I've never had a problem controlling my dreams once I'm aware I'm dreaming. The trouble is staying awake once you realize you're dreaming, at least for me

Aside from night terrors, which is a different story altogether.
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
December 25 2011 08:53 GMT
#274
Just woke up from an amazing dream, i was in this beautiful place i remember visiting in a dream before, surrounded by flowers and trees in the top of a hill.. then i proceeded to jump from it and start flying towards a city, i felt so alive happy and in peace, even though i knew it was a dreaming it felt so good then later i woke up and the world was gray and cold, the thought of this being the dream and not reality run trough my mind.
Yes im
NIJ
Profile Joined March 2010
1012 Posts
December 27 2011 04:20 GMT
#275
so i haven't had lucid dream in yrs. i figured i'd practice my dream recall again and get it rolling again.

last night i had a sleep paralysis within a dream, when i woke into another dream. it was friggin weird and eerie as shit. Ive had sleep paralysis before, but never IN a dream lol. And I was almost lucid before the the paralysis and during. Got too weirded out and excited during sleep paralysis stuff and woke up fer real. damn.

Act of thinking logically cannot possibly be natural to the human mind. If it were, then mathematics would be everybody's easiest course at school and our species would not have taken several millennia to figure out the scientific method -NDT
Wargable
Profile Joined April 2011
United States107 Posts
December 27 2011 04:24 GMT
#276
I don't think I'd ever had a lucid dream till after i saw this thread. This morning I woke up to my alarm and then went back to sleep cause I'm on break. Then in my dream I remember specifically thinking, "If I had woken up, I wouldn't be experiencing this part of my dream, I'm glad I went back to sleep." Haha felt wierd.
"That brings my piss to a boil."
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-27 09:21:25
December 27 2011 09:15 GMT
#277
I had the weirdest experience when I woke up. I was still tired, so I closed my eyes and went back to sleep. I then started hallucinating that my cat was on the bed and that I could feel pressure on the bed from her walking. I could see the door was closed and wondered how she got into my room, and was wondering if she was really even there, I realized I was hallucinating. Suddenly i got hit with a huge wave of sleep paralaysis/tingling sensation, noises, and I was awake the entire time. I don't remember if my eyes were open/I was truly awake, but it felt like I was awake. It would happen a couple minutes after closing my eyes, the hallucination would be brief followed by sleep paralysis and I'd fight it off to wake up again. It was pretty eerie. Tried to fall back asleep a few more times to have the exact same thing occur, except the hallucinations started getting more vivid, like I'd just see my cat and dog walking around my room. The last time I fought to get back up I just got out of bed, it was too creepy.

Had to look it up later and its hypnagogia. Was pretty unnerving when I was in bed. Kind of wish I stayed in bed to experiment. Although I was pretty aware and terrified that I might hallucinate something scary like the grunt from Amnesia suddenly busting through my door. Probably the main reason why I woke up. LOL
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
December 27 2011 09:51 GMT
#278
This is just a theory I have and I don't know what science says about this kind of thing. But I think that if you take interest in lucid dreaming in different ways (such as this thread or youtube videos or movies) that you will be more likely to experience them. Most of my dreams as they are now are of things that happened or are related to something I've thought about during that day. It might possibly be the brains way of remapping memories and useless information or something but it feels quite accurate. Sure sometimes the dreams seem random but many of the times I've had lucid dreams have been after seeing something about it online or in a movie. I think that you remembering something about a lucid dream can make you realise that you are in fact in a dream.

When I was a teen I tried to have sex sometimes in my lucid dreams but it never worked. Later I tried to focus on peaceful things like flying or hoovering through a huge field or moving forces of nature with my own hands etc. But it was many years since I had a lucid dream now. Hopefully revisiting this thread will make me have new ones.

If indeed there is a correlation between a younger age and lucid dreaming (which this thread kind of seems to enforce) I would be really interested to see what contributes to that according to science. Dreams are to me the msot fascinating thing about the human body.
TheToaster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States280 Posts
December 27 2011 11:13 GMT
#279
On December 19 2011 01:47 carwashguy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2011 19:54 TheToaster wrote:
The theory that a lot of neurologists have been moving towards is that ACTUAL lucid dreaming occurs extremely rarely. What they mean by that is people often recall lucid dreams under statistical studies where they were being observed. But in reality, brain activity suggested that these people weren't fully immersed into the REM sleep cycle, and therefore only "half asleep" or "half dreaming" where the influence of reality might still somewhat exist.

Other times evidence suggested the dreamer was actively going through REM sleep, hinting at the possibility for lucid dreaming. But soon after becoming lucid, the dreamer would fully wake up. This basically suggests that lucid dreaming only seems to manifest itself when the brain is either about to become active or already partly has.

Remember that time scales within a dream can be heavily distorted when compared to reality. An entire lucid dream might only occur during the 20-30 minutes before you wake up. So lucid dreaming might just be a sleep cycle, such as waking up, that is taking a "detour" of sorts.

Which neurologists? Do you have any literature concerning these beliefs? I ask because I've never read about this whole "lucid dreams and weren't fully immersed into REM" business.

But then you go on to say "Other times evidence suggested the dreamer was actively going through REM sleep." What does that mean? That the other lucid dreamers weren't really in REM sleep some how? Waking up soon after becoming lucid is a problem that occurs very frequently with beginners. It's happened to me a lot. I've improved on it by staying calm (the adrenaline rush from becoming "aware" can bolt you awake). I've also found it useful to focus on the five senses (look around at the details, listen for sounds, feel a wall, etc) and become fully immersed into the dream.

When you say "suggests that lucid dreaming only seems to manifest itself when the brain is either about to become active or already partly has," this is very vague. In a broad sense, the brain is active during any dream. However, lucid dreaming might indicate dorsolateral prefrontal cortex activation. In his book The Dream Drugstore (2001-pg 97) Allan Hobson proposed that lucid dreaming is the result of DLPFC activation during REM sleep, and that working memory resides in the DLPFC which is deactivated during sleep and results in the bizarreness and mute executive functions associated with dreams.

As for your last paragraph, there's no scientific evidence that time dilation actually occurs in dreaming. In fact, there's only evidence of the contrary. Dr. Stephen Laberge did an experiment where lucid dreamers counted down to ten and then did an eye signal (you can control physical eye movement while lucid dreaming). The length of time this required in waking life corresponded with dream time.


I'm not about to produce some massive citation list just to prove what I said. That's the difference between an online forum and a college paper. I get a degree for writing college papers, but I get nothing from convincing strangers on a forum.

Even so, what I said was mainly recollection of what my friend told me and things I scanned over on the internet. So anything I said shouldn't even be taken literally. I tend to have a certain authoritative tone in everything that I write, and that's probably what caused you to flip out. Just take what I said for what it's worth, which isn't much.
Oh, get a job? Just get a job? Why don't I strap on my job helmet, squeeze down into a job cannon, and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies!
acrimoneyius
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States983 Posts
December 30 2011 12:08 GMT
#280
On December 07 2011 08:33 LennyLeonard wrote:
Advice needed*
A little background to my lucid dream experience:
I discovered lucid dreaming about a year ago, I was very intrigued by the concept and tried to have one of my own. It did not go well at all back then and after a while I stopped trying. About 2 months ago I watched a film call "Waking Life" which i a fantastic film about dreams, and one part that really stuck with me is how to tell if your dreaming, by looking at a clock or trying to change the lighting, which is not possible in a dream supposedly. This re inspired me to lucid dream, but one again to no avail. Then, a couple of weeks ago I randomly had my first lucid dream, then another this morning.
Lucid Dream #1
+ Show Spoiler +
Last week I indeed had a lucid dream. I was all of a sudden in my room, I don't recall how i got there but it was just me in my room all of a sudden. Apparently in my dream I found this funny too, I don't know what tipped me off but for some reason I suspected I was dreaming. With much uncertainty I tried turning the lights off, but it was impossible. I was overwhelmed with excitement; for the first time i was conscious during a dream! The first thing I could think of to do was fly. So i through my arms up like super man (no lie) and tried to fly. That is when the room began to disappear until it was just me in a blank white room. End of dream.


Lucid Dream #2
+ Show Spoiler +
This morning my cat woke me up sometime between 3-5 by meowing outside my door. When I woke I was angry for a second, until i realized that i had another lucid dream. I was overwhelmed with joy. This time around was a bit more long and vivid, but it was quite similar but i remember a little more to it this time. I was talking to my uncle (odd because I rarely see this uncle) and I literally asked him "what to you know about lucid dreams?" JUST like in the film, Waking Life which i find really odd. I remember he was really enthused that I asked him. It gets a little vague from here. I remember my uncle went off about lucid dreams for a long time meanwhile I kept trying to ask him a question I thought was very important (although i cant remember what it was, or what my uncle was talking about at this point.). From here is gets more vivid. I was in my basement with somebody, presumably my uncle, it was pretty dark and no lights were on, yet i could still see the figure of a human, and it did not seem weird (at first) that we were interacting in the dark. Again, something tipped me off. I feel it was the lack of lights, but i cant say for certain. I asked whoever it was to hit the light switch, I cant explain how we knew where it was but we did. When the figure hit the switch no lights came on or anything. At this point I realized i may be dreaming, so i tried flipping the switch and nothing, I got excited, and flipped the switch on/off numerous times. Once I realized 100% I was dreaming, i was instantly in my room which is odd because last time i was just suddenly in my room as well. The lighting was still dark and of course, i tried to fly. This time i actually started to fly but i did not get far at all when the room again began to fade, this time to black. I was much more aware this time around and i was consciously fighting it. As I was fighting 'The Fade' there were these weird splotches of ultraviolet sort of like the patterns you see when you rub your eyes really hard. In the end the fade won. End of dream.


TL;DR Two lucid dreams that end shortly after I realize I'm dreaming and try to fly. The first was short and i didn't know how i got to the point of lucidity, the second much more vivid and longer. But ended all the same, except the first faded to white, the second to black. More than likely based on the lighting.

I need your help TL! I REALLY want to explore the possibilities this brings. Have any of you had similar experiences? Any tips on how to do exciting things that are not connected to the dream i was having before the realization of lucidity would be greatly appreciated!!+ Show Spoiler +


Fuck, I know what everyone is talking about when they say sleep paralysis is scary. Many a time I have had shit whispering behind me or loud wind rushing. I don't ever recall seeing anything (phew).

I actually had about 4 dreams last night that I all remember, one of them being lucid and one being a nightmare. In my nightmare I could control the intensity of the light with two knobs (I remember this really vividly, because the walls were pulsating as if they were taking breaths) inside a small shower with a foam ground. I don't know if I would have been able to fully turn the light off if I had tried, as I was just trying to find the most comfortable light intensity (my eyes are really sensitive to light in real life, I have to put towels over my lamps if they're too bright). The fucked up thing was that I think I scared myself out of lucidity as someone opened the door to my shower and I couldn't see who it was, so I became preoccupied with the dream guiding me instead of guiding the dream.

The lucid dream I had was about starcraft. It was cool because I just willed my field of vision into view instead of clicking on a minimap frantically. The field of view and distance kept changing (but not by much). It was a different kind of lucid dream cause my perspective was fixed into a starcraft world as an RTS commander, but I could still control my units very easily.

Specifically it was a TvT on a map that looked like if desert oasis and dual sight had a baby (snow tileset, mostly open ground). I remember opening marine heavy, him straight to marine/tank. I won't describe all the details cause they're boring, but I recall some of the battles in great detail. The last one was him gunning for my third base and I was already setup for a flank. As the battle happened, he had an inconsistently pitiful amount of units (my dreams are biased and like it when I win)

I've had better lucid dreams, but I don't remember them because they happened a while ago. The best way I found to keep lucidity is to stay really calm and confident (almost arrogant) as you're realizing the dream.
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