On December 17 2011 19:29 ImFromPortugal wrote: had a great dream tonight ... i was playing along with this song, i even got the drum beat correctly in my mind..
Thanks for the video man, checked this track out on amazon and they gave it away for FREE! Man this track is so awesome, cant stop listen to this!
I was once obsessed with all this lucid dreaming and aura and all this different stuff, was reading books like the autobiography of a Yogi (that book is the most depresing thing on earth I even thought that back then when I didn't know that it was wrong I mean you really want me to meditate this whole lifetime to only get o the next stage ??? and do the same there), well I went through a weird period in my life were I had lots of lucid dreams and I mean big deal I even had the waking up and still being in a dream thing, I had dreams where we would try to wake ourselves up out of the dream, it is really nothing special, but the stuffs so empty 9lik money is empty, like food is empty, i still enjoy money and food but tis empty) compared to what finally stopped me obsessing with all this weird stuff. The love and tangible presence of Jesus, i read a book called when heaven invades earth changed my life got a few amazingly accurate prohetic words and yeah never looked back and believe me I tried almost all that stuff meditating, auras, the secret (that book), all of it nothing compares to God's presence wow it makes me feel like this unexplainable joy of how much he loves me and you btw. most of youa re from USA right if u are get down to bethel church and have your life rocked. If not get your life rocked anyhow.
oh god lucid dreaming, I tried all this stuff a year or two back i was super excited, but could never get anywhere, all i'd do would be numb myself / etc. but i could never actually sleep. i'd also start breathing manually. which was annoying
i got close once: i was laying in bed then i turned around and there was my baby cousin sitting there, and i was talking to him, then i thought "wait what the fuck are you doing AM I DREAMING OH GOD THIS IS COO-" then woke.
Lol tonight had like 6 different dreams.. when i start paying 2 much attention to lucid dreaming this tends to happen, i start having lots and lots of different dreams.. i dreamed that some dudes were being attacked by a bear; dreamed that i brought the ring of power to mordor and gave it to Sauron..dreamed of shooting icmbs into random streets of my city and other random dreams... the funniest one was with Michael Jackson, i was thinking "so its true..he isnt really dead!" also found a guy that looked like Ghaddafi, i said to him "hi Ghaddafi" and the other guy sitting next to him laughed and said "hei look he is calling you Ghaddafi you gonna end up like him" i replied " we all have a bit of Ghaddafi inside, a bit of will a bit of revolutionary a bit of goodness.. but if you follow the path of greed and corruption we all end up like him" (it sounded better within the dream )
i think my main trigger for lucid dreams is when something supernatural is trying to kill me. and then it doesnt become a scary dream it becomes fairly fun. i guess my lucid dreaming is kind of amaturish since i cant control the enviroment but i can control weapons and gravity fairly well.
i also find that if i stay up all night and sleep during the day i tend to lucid dream
my most recent lucid dream i was in a swamp area shooting targets that looked like zombies for training. then when a real dead girl rose out of water i had no ammo but i summonded myself a chair and could keep pushing her around with it and then i started taking off her limbs which would grow back. also near the end i lowered gravity and was able to jump into trees and branches while this dead little girl was still persuing me the whole time.
thats about the extent most my lucid dreams get to but i know im dreaming and when i want to wake up i have no quarms letting the evil kill me
On December 18 2011 04:05 Fruscainte wrote: I tried Lucid Dreaming for ~3 months without any success. Sleep paralysis, all these other fancy acronyms and tricks and shit. Just never really worked. Then after I gave up, like a week later, I Lucid Dreamed by mistake. It wasn't even anything fancy, I sat down and pulled myself under the covers to go to sleep and closed my eyes. Opened them ~30 seconds later, got up out of bed to go take a piss, flicked the switch on (but the light did not turn on) did my business and went back to the light switch. When I tried to switch it off and realized it wasn't working, I just remember thinking: "Oh, I'm dreaming."
Then some really god damn trippy shit happened. I look up and there was a skull like staring at me. My throat tensed up and I couldn't breath. It felt like I was spinning at like a million fucking miles per hour as my vision in my bathroom spun around rapidly. Suddenly my body jolted up in my bed. I threw up all over my dick and pissed everywhere in my bed. That was ~2 years ago.
I don't try to Lucid Dream anymore.
i don't mean to laugh at you but the way you described what happened when you woke up was really funny xD
My imagination sucks and for that reason I hate trying to be aware and control my dreams because they always end up lame. I'll just settle for whatever surprise my subconscious has in store for me :3
One of my friends actually went on to study neurology at Johns Hopkins University, but in high school it was interesting to ask him about brain activities like this one since he seemed to know so much about the brain.
The theory that a lot of neurologists have been moving towards is that ACTUAL lucid dreaming occurs extremely rarely. What they mean by that is people often recall lucid dreams under statistical studies where they were being observed. But in reality, brain activity suggested that these people weren't fully immersed into the REM sleep cycle, and therefore only "half asleep" or "half dreaming" where the influence of reality might still somewhat exist.
Other times evidence suggested the dreamer was actively going through REM sleep, hinting at the possibility for lucid dreaming. But soon after becoming lucid, the dreamer would fully wake up. This basically suggests that lucid dreaming only seems to manifest itself when the brain is either about to become active or already partly has.
Remember that time scales within a dream can be heavily distorted when compared to reality. An entire lucid dream might only occur during the 20-30 minutes before you wake up. So lucid dreaming might just be a sleep cycle, such as waking up, that is taking a "detour" of sorts.
On December 18 2011 19:54 TheToaster wrote: One of my friends actually went on to study neurology at Johns Hopkins University, but in high school it was interesting to ask him about brain activities like this one since he seemed to know so much about the brain.
The theory that a lot of neurologists have been moving towards is that ACTUAL lucid dreaming occurs extremely rarely. What they mean by that is people often recall lucid dreams under statistical studies where they were being observed. But in reality, brain activity suggested that these people weren't fully immersed into the REM sleep cycle, and therefore only "half asleep" or "half dreaming" where the influence of reality might still somewhat exist.
Other times evidence suggested the dreamer was actively going through REM sleep, hinting at the possibility for lucid dreaming. But soon after becoming lucid, the dreamer would fully wake up. This basically suggests that lucid dreaming only seems to manifest itself when the brain is either about to become active or already partly has.
Remember that time scales within a dream can be heavily distorted when compared to reality. An entire lucid dream might only occur during the 20-30 minutes before you wake up. So lucid dreaming might just be a sleep cycle, such as waking up, that is taking a "detour" of sorts.
On December 18 2011 19:54 TheToaster wrote: The theory that a lot of neurologists have been moving towards is that ACTUAL lucid dreaming occurs extremely rarely. What they mean by that is people often recall lucid dreams under statistical studies where they were being observed. But in reality, brain activity suggested that these people weren't fully immersed into the REM sleep cycle, and therefore only "half asleep" or "half dreaming" where the influence of reality might still somewhat exist.
Other times evidence suggested the dreamer was actively going through REM sleep, hinting at the possibility for lucid dreaming. But soon after becoming lucid, the dreamer would fully wake up. This basically suggests that lucid dreaming only seems to manifest itself when the brain is either about to become active or already partly has.
Remember that time scales within a dream can be heavily distorted when compared to reality. An entire lucid dream might only occur during the 20-30 minutes before you wake up. So lucid dreaming might just be a sleep cycle, such as waking up, that is taking a "detour" of sorts.
Which neurologists? Do you have any literature concerning these beliefs? I ask because I've never read about this whole "lucid dreams and weren't fully immersed into REM" business.
But then you go on to say "Other times evidence suggested the dreamer was actively going through REM sleep." What does that mean? That the other lucid dreamers weren't really in REM sleep some how? Waking up soon after becoming lucid is a problem that occurs very frequently with beginners. It's happened to me a lot. I've improved on it by staying calm (the adrenaline rush from becoming "aware" can bolt you awake). I've also found it useful to focus on the five senses (look around at the details, listen for sounds, feel a wall, etc) and become fully immersed into the dream.
When you say "suggests that lucid dreaming only seems to manifest itself when the brain is either about to become active or already partly has," this is very vague. In a broad sense, the brain is active during any dream. However, lucid dreaming might indicate dorsolateral prefrontal cortex activation. In his book The Dream Drugstore (2001-pg 97) Allan Hobson proposed that lucid dreaming is the result of DLPFC activation during REM sleep, and that working memory resides in the DLPFC which is deactivated during sleep and results in the bizarreness and mute executive functions associated with dreams.
As for your last paragraph, there's no scientific evidence that time dilation actually occurs in dreaming. In fact, there's only evidence of the contrary. Dr. Stephen Laberge did an experiment where lucid dreamers counted down to ten and then did an eye signal (you can control physical eye movement while lucid dreaming). The length of time this required in waking life corresponded with dream time.
I've had dreams where I was able to do anything I wanted. I could fly around like a DBZ character, fight like one with energy beams and all kinds of neat shit like that. One dream I was in some kind of battle and I decided to grab an airplane from out of the sky (with telekinesis) and smash it into an enemy ship of some kind. Just looked up into the sky and grabbed a plane like a Jedi Master using the force. I've fought countless hordes of enemies with these powers as well as just a single arch-nemesis.
I fucking love these dreams.
My conclusion was: lucid dreams kick-ass and I watch way too DBZ and play way too many video games. My lucid dreams are almost always "video game" themed. I've had so many!
On December 18 2011 18:15 danmooj1 wrote: when you have a lucid dream, do you feel as rested as when you don't?
and once you learn how to have a lucid dream, can you choose not to have a lucid dream certain nights?
I think I read somewhere on TL a while back about someone not being able to have a good night rest because all their dreams became lucid dreams.
The rest of your body is asleep; you're essentially tapping into your subconscious; all whilst in a deep state of sleep. For me I feel better when I wake up from a lucid dream, I feel more alert and aware, but in general terms I think sleeping & lucid dreaming is almost equal to normal sleep - in my experience.
You can definitely choose not to lucid dream - it still takes a level of effort to induce and maintain a lucid dream. You can choose to ignore lucidity. The main trigger to lucid dreaming is familiarity, you might realise you are dreaming based on familiar dream scenarios/general dreamsigns you learn to pick up on whilst learning to become lucid. You can just 'go with the dream' though, if you don't feel like becoming engaged with lucidity.
In the end learning to lucid dream is like training a muscle; you're honing a skill that enables you to have more control. You can turn it on as easily as you can turn it off.
In my case I get great sleep whether I'm lucid dreaming or not, I know the main issue for me would be becoming addicted to dreaming...because let's face it, if you can control your own reality then you're probably not going to have too many complaints. Real life Minecraft...and then some.