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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-09 22:21:27
December 23 2009 11:39 GMT
#1
Update: See page 16 for all new polls.

Given how amazing the game is gonna be, I'm a bit surprised that there isn't a thread up about Mass Effect 2 yet, although I suppose it is because it is about a month left untill it's released. But for me, that isn't a long time, it's an extremely short time, and I'm hyped atm more than ever before for any game. (No kidding) ME2 might be the best game yet. (Well, it will be released before SC2 and D3, so , but even then it might compete with them I think)

During the year 2007, I began seeing footage of a little game called Mass Effect. I thought it looked pretty cool, and knowing that Bioware had a tendency of creating epic RPG's (Baldur's Gate ftw) I was a bit curious. However, I had plenty of other games to play at the time, after all, it was a hell of a lot of good games in '07, so ME slipped by me. And so it remained untill early 2009 when I got curious again, and decided to buy it for my PC, and I was just amazed by how awesome it was, especially given that it was 2 years old at the time.

Not long after, rumors talked about an upcoming sequel, ME2, as well as that ME was a trilogy so yet another one would eventually follow. Over the past 8 months or so, I've constantly been following Bioware's process with the game, and now it's final that the game will be out January 26th 2010 in North America, and January 29th 2010 in Europe. (The rest of the world I'm not sure, but I think it's the 29th as well) And to give myself, and the rest of you a lovely christmas present, today the Mass Effect 2 official Cinematic Trailer has been released, and let me tell you: IT IS AWESOME!!!

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/cinematic-trailer-mass-effect/60053

After watching something like that, I just don't know what to say other than "wow". The game itself might be a month late for Christmas, but does it really matter when it looks as awesome as this?

Anyway, let's move on. As far as I know, the same classes that existed in the original will take place here, but instead of having like 10 or so different skills, here you only have like 6, but they are WAY more specialized, and look ridiculously cool at times. They've also changed the firing system. Instead of having a cooldown-based ammo system, you now have the more traditional limited ammo system. Personally, I don't really understand why. With the new Heavy Weapons it makes sense of course, but for smaller firearms, they should have almost limitless ammo. Check the Codex in ME1 and you'll see why.

Moving on, for those of you who don't know there are three groups within the classes in ME: Combat, Tech and Biotic. The Soldier is 100% Combat, the Engineer is 100% Tech, and the Adept is 100% Biotic. In addition to this, the Infiltrator is 50% Combat/50% Tech, the Sentinel is 50% Biotic/50% Tech, and finally the Vanguard is 50% Combat/ 50% Biotic.
This system makes a very good attempt at enabling you to create your personal favourite very exactly. As far as I can say about the classes in ME1, the more Combat based classes made for a simpler, and overall easier gameplay, while the Tech and especially Biotic made for a more advanced, more time-demanding gameplay. However, you died a lot less as a Biotic and it was a hell of a lot more fun. Personally, I think the Sentinel was easily the funniest to play. Going around on Insanity is not exactly easy at times, but it really helps when you can steer the enemies any which way you like. As far as ME2 goes, well I'm not sure whether or not you can change class or not after you've imported a character from the original, but it won't really matter to me, because I'll probably play as Sentinel again anyway. Not sure if it's the best choice, but I think it's the most fun, and a little extra challenge is never wrong, right? Ok, sometimes maybe but that's beside the point. Anyway, which are your favourite classes and what do you think of ME2 in general?

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Poll: Favourite Class in ME1?
(Vote): Soldier
(Vote): Engineer
(Vote): Adept
(Vote): Infiltrator
(Vote): Sentinel
(Vote): Vanguard

About the Classes in ME2, here are the preview videos of all the Classes. (At the time, the Soldier is the only one which haven't recieved an official preview, but given that it is the simplest Class, and you get to see it in a lot of other videos as well, you can probably figure out sort of what it will be. I'll add its video to the OP if it gets released. The Infiltrator got its video today.)
Edit: The Vanguard now has 2 videos:
Edit 2: All classes now have their respective walkthroughs:

Soldier: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/soldier-class-mass-effect/60791

Engineer: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/engineer-class-mass-effect/59736

Adept: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/adept-combat-mass-effect/59490

Infiltrator: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/infiltrator-class-mass-effect/60276

Sentinel: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sentinel-class-mass-effect/59962

Vanguard: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-vanguard-mass-effect/58988
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/vanguard-class-mass-effect/60477



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Poll: Favorite Class in ME2? (You think)
(Vote): Soldier
(Vote): Engineer
(Vote): Adept
(Vote): Infiltrator
(Vote): Sentinel
(Vote): Vanguard

About the companions in the original, they were really deep. You could get in touch with your partners like never before and really understand them. So far, only Tali and Garrus have been confirmed to exist in ME2, the others... tbh, I don't think so. Why? Well: + Show Spoiler +
Ashley/Kaidan couldn't really be in the game given that one of them has to die at the end of ME1. I don't really see how Bioware intend to add or remove a character completly from the beginning of the game. It might be possible, but I highly doubt it. Liara would be a logical asset to the team, but they've already confirmed Samara as one of your squadmates, and somehow I don't think you will have 2 Asari in your squad. A shame really, I really liked Li'. Although... Samara has bigger bewbies o.0 Finally, Wrex couldn't possibly be in the game. First of all, just as with Liara, there already is another person confirmed of the same species; in this case Krogan in the form of Grunt. And most importantly, if you're clumsy and arrogant, there is a chance you might actually get into a fight with Wrex in the original while on Virmire where he'll get killed either by yourself or Ashley. Thus, just like with the Ashley/Kaidan scenario, I don't think Bioware will remove a character fully just because of a mistake you made, while others will get him all along.


As far as ME2 goes, I think you will have 12 squadmates in total, twice as many as the original, although you still only have 2 + yourself at a time. (Like it should be imo, especially with the new squad-command system, which looks awesome btw.) The ones who are revealed are:

1. Samara
2. Subject Zero
3. Thane
4. Grunt
5. Tali'Zorah
6. Garrus
7. Miranda Lawson (Gorgeous imo)

(Post if I forgot anyone) There are also times where you can see other people in your squad which seem really shallow and quiet, so I suspect they are only temporary characters, just like Jenkins was in the original.

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Poll: Favourite squadmate in ME1?
(Vote): Ashley Williams
(Vote): Kaidan Alenko
(Vote): Liara T'Soni
(Vote): Wrex Urdnot
(Vote): Garrus Vakarian
(Vote): Tali'Zoran Nar Rayya

Edit:Tali'Zorah*

I'll update the poll below if any new squadmate is revealed.
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Poll: Favourite squadmate in ME2?
(Vote): Samara
(Vote): Subject Zero
(Vote): Thane
(Vote): Grunt
(Vote): Tali'Zorah Nar Rayya
(Vote): Garrus Vakarian
(Vote): Miranda Lawson

Another thing that's really cool about Mass Effect it the way your morality works. While it is true that many games have the possibility to play as both the good or evil side, in Mass Effect you always play on the good side, but not necessarilly in a good way. It's the so called Paragon/Renegade system, and it's awesome. Paragon points are earned by doing good deeds, and charming people, while Renegade points (and by that I do NOT mean points that's on the run o.0) are earned by being rude, impolite, ill-mannered, and downright threating people. Overall, I personally think Paragon is the better choice. First and formost; it's much more humane, and unless you're a sadist, it makes you feel as if you've done what you would have done irl. However, Renegade can be really funny at times, like when you are being interviewed by an anoying reporter, you can skip the whole conversation by punching her in the belly instead.

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Poll: Favourite morality?
(Vote): Paragon
(Vote): Renegade

If anyone is interested, and is still playing ME1, or intends to replay it before the sequel comes out, I know of two points in the game where you can glitch the game in order to recieve infinte Paragon/Renegade points. + Show Spoiler +
The first one is during the UNC-assignment Lost Module, on the beautiful planet Eletania. Note: You can only get infinte Paragon points here. If you find the space-monkey carrying the data module in the mine WITHOUT killing any space-monkey during the entire quest you recieve 2 Paragon points for doing so. Immediately after grabbing the module, make a quick save, and then reload it. You can now pick up the data module again and recieve new Paragon points. Then you can repeat this endlessly. Note, for some reason you only have ro reload once. After that you can just spam the use-key on the space-monkey and you'll reciev points all the time. The second way works with both Paragon and Renegade, but you need lvl 5 Charm/Intimidate in order to do so. (At least I think it was lvl 5, could be 6 as well.) While on Noveria and convincing Lorik Qui'nn to testify against Anoleis you can do this:
1. Convince him to testify against Anoleis.
2. Talk to him again.
3. Choose Investigate, and then Matriarch Benezia.
4. Choose Another Question.
You can now convince him to testify again and again if you repeat this, and every time you do so, you recieve a HUGE bonus in Paragon/Renegade. 25 points I think it was.


ME2 promises to be one of, if not the best game I've ever seen. Just look at the cast! It's ridiculous!

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/the-stars-mass-effect/59910

Anyway, this thread is from now on officially TL's general discussion thread about Mass Effect 2.

Edit:

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Poll: To what platform will you buy it?
(Vote): PC
(Vote): Xbox 360
(Vote): I won't, 'cause I'm retarded
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
December 23 2009 12:11 GMT
#2
I just bought ME1 and started playing it. So hopefully by the time I beat that, this will be out.
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wingedpts
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada19 Posts
December 23 2009 12:37 GMT
#3

new (i think?) 12 minute demo from gamespot, not much content shown tho but o well. I really enjoyed the first one but definitely room for improvement in the exploration/driving/combat animations. When you play through insanity its awkward to shoot an enemy for so long and they have no reaction at all unless you use biotics never finished an insanity run because of this but doesn't really apply as much when playing on normal-hardcore. Looking forward for ME2 tho looks like they are working on their weakness.. fucken elevators
Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
December 23 2009 12:51 GMT
#4
i think its time i replayed ME1 on a higher difficulty. i always loved wrex and garrus
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
December 23 2009 13:44 GMT
#5
The women doing the voice for the adept IS SOOO TILTING WTF

it's an Adept not an addit

otherwise the game looks interesting and i am really glad they reworked the inventory system
selling was basically scroooollllllllll click sell scroooooooolllllll click sell, over 50 items, it was really bad.
and i loved the elevator banter, but iirc they sometimes sat in silence, which is horrible, and made me wish they never added the stupid elevator

i hope they take the character development more seriously this time

Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9581 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-25 10:43:45
December 23 2009 14:10 GMT
#6
Haha great to see more Mass Effect fans on TL ^^. I personally have a Vanguard lv 56 ATM and am playing on hardcore. I always have Wrex and Garrus with me on every assignment. I never really liked the other squadmates =(. Anyway, you will be able to transfer your Shepard into ME2. The only thing really that will transfer over is if you were lv 50/60, paragon/renegade, and the choices you made in ME1+ Show Spoiler +
if you killed wrex, killed off ashley or kaiden, released/killed the rachni queen, and your love interest, if you chose to save the council, who you chose for the human representative etc.
You will be able to "respec" your class from X to Y, also you will be able to change the appearance of your Shepard.

As for ME2, I dunno if I'll change anything. I'm also not too fond of the crew(squadmates) that have been revealed so far. But I'm looking forward to continuing the story.

Edit: So, yeah, i was wrong on the whole "change gender" thing, but the other things are spot on.
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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
December 23 2009 14:47 GMT
#7
for some reason I'm not too incredibly exciting for this game though I LOVED the first one, I'm just not sure if the experience is gonna be different enough, if they've changed enough except for the story obviously.
Still, a must buy game for me
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
December 23 2009 15:47 GMT
#8
On December 23 2009 21:37 wingedpts wrote:
new (i think?) 12 minute demo from gamespot, not much content shown tho but o well. I really enjoyed the first one but definitely room for improvement in the exploration/driving/combat animations. When you play through insanity its awkward to shoot an enemy for so long and they have no reaction at all unless you use biotics never finished an insanity run because of this but doesn't really apply as much when playing on normal-hardcore. Looking forward for ME2 tho looks like they are working on their weakness.. fucken elevators


Yes, the video was released yesterday. The Normandy looks huge now. But what's wrong with the elevators? The music was soooo funny xD


On December 23 2009 22:44 Etherone wrote:
The women doing the voice for the adept IS SOOO TILTING WTF

it's an Adept not an addit

otherwise the game looks interesting and i am really glad they reworked the inventory system
selling was basically scroooollllllllll click sell scroooooooolllllll click sell, over 50 items, it was really bad.
and i loved the elevator banter, but iirc they sometimes sat in silence, which is horrible, and made me wish they never added the stupid elevator

i hope they take the character development more seriously this time


Yeah, I agree, the selling system was soooooooooooo lame.

On December 23 2009 23:10 Latham wrote:
if you killed wrex, killed off ashley or kaiden, released/killed the rachni queen, and your love interest.
You will be able to "respec" your class from X to Y, also you will be able to change the gender/appearance of your Shepard.


Ehh... most of this I already knew, but just wait a minute... if your love interest actions will carry over and you will be able to respec your gender... ehhh... does this mean that you could technically become a homosexual? o.0 (If you were female and with Liara in the first you still were not lesbian, but this...)
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
December 23 2009 15:55 GMT
#9
It's SO lame that they aren't releasing any mod tools for this game.... Ughhhhh
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Corvi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany1406 Posts
December 23 2009 16:40 GMT
#10
i would be worried if the statement "more action" came from square, as they said it for ff13 and now look at this shit, but in bioware i trust. dragon age was the best rpg experience since secret of mana.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 25 2009 10:39 GMT
#11
This game looks amazing. From the videos it seems to fix all of the mistakes in ME1 and is taking the series to the next level.

I expect greatness from this game... even more than Dragon Age. I personally love the fact the combat is becomming more FPS like.
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9581 Posts
December 25 2009 10:52 GMT
#12
Yeah, I think they did the right thing in adding ammo and removing that weapon heat-up system. It will make you actually think about what you're about to do. You'll be more engaged in combat that way. I'd still like to see the buy/sell UI though, and the supposed customization screen. Anyway, the initial level cap is supposed to be a lot lower than before (the power gamer achievement is lv30...). They also promised us a lot more of DLC content with variety.
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Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
December 25 2009 11:23 GMT
#13
Wow it's out in only one month? Thought it was like for summer 2010. That's sick. Looking forward to it.
789
Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
December 25 2009 11:55 GMT
#14
I haven't been paying much attention to the development of mass effect 2, but I'm going to buy it for sure. My favorite class in ME1 was infiltrator. I think it will end up being the same in the second, but we'll see. I'm happy to see Garrus making a return. I'm not quite sure why, but he was my favorite squadmate in the first. But yeah, this is a definite must buy for me; I loved the first one.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 25 2009 18:03 GMT
#15
I actually didn't like the original Mass Effect that much. I disliked a couple elements of combat (e.g. Biotic powers didn't get nearly enough development), and starting a 2nd playthrough really highlights the weaknesses of the game. There are large segments of the dialogue where your choice of action--good or evil, or anything in between--makes absolutely no difference in how the dialogue plays out. Shepherd even says the SAME LINES when you choose different dialogue choices. When you subtract out those fake choices, the number of real ones left, IMO, that drive the game as an RPG just aren't enough.

That said, Dragon Age gives me some hope for this game. I'll stick with my stance of "cautiously optimistic".

On December 24 2009 00:55 orgolove wrote:
It's SO lame that they aren't releasing any mod tools for this game.... Ughhhhh

This is probably my biggest quip with the game.

On December 24 2009 01:40 Corvi wrote:
i would be worried if the statement "more action" came from square, as they said it for ff13 and now look at this shit, but in bioware i trust. dragon age was the best rpg experience since secret of mana.

Er...what? That's just blatantly not true, and even a Bioware fan would disagree, seeing as both Baldur's Gate games were released in that time span.
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Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
December 25 2009 18:10 GMT
#16
Had a lot of fun with a sentinel with singularity in the first game. But I'll probably start with an infiltrator like I did last time before trying other classes.
renchak
Profile Joined April 2009
209 Posts
December 25 2009 18:24 GMT
#17
Played the first game as a Sentinel with Liara and Tali'Zoran as squadmates and i intend to do it the same way in the sequal. That setups just gives you hilarious control and fun gameplay.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8033 Posts
December 26 2009 06:01 GMT
#18
If there's one thing that I didn't like about Mass Effect 1, it's the Argo. Sure it's a pretty cool vehicle, but having to drive for 2-3 minutes between each objective got boring pretty quickly. The Argo sections on the main mission planets were pretty nicely done though.

+ Show Spoiler +
I have to disagree with the OP on whether or not Bioware will cut Ashley/Kaiden/Wrex from ME2. After all, they've made a big deal about having your decisions from the first game carry over, so it wouldn't make sense for these characters to just disappear.

Kaiden, by the way, was my least favorite character in Mass Effect. They tried to make him seem like the strong, silent type, but it just came off as being snobby to me. His usefulness in combat left something to be desired as well. At least it made my choice at the end pretty easy.

Looking forward to some Rachni Queen goodness in ME2. Hopefully letting her go won't come back to bite me in the ass. =)
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 16:43:27
December 28 2009 16:40 GMT
#19
On December 26 2009 15:01 Spazer wrote:
If there's one thing that I didn't like about Mass Effect 1, it's the Argo. Sure it's a pretty cool vehicle, but having to drive for 2-3 minutes between each objective got boring pretty quickly. The Argo sections on the main mission planets were pretty nicely done though.


?
Ehh... what's Argo? Argos Rho Cluster?
Sounds like you're referring to the Mako, or?

And while I see your point of it being a pretty long way to drive at times, if you just check the map when you land on an uncharted world and just drive from location to location, then you're missing the point. With the Mako, you should explore on your own. Try to find locations that aren't visible on the map, but only on the radar, and some aren't visible at all other than with your eyes alone.

Sounds like you were just rushing to get OFF the planet instead of acctually show interest in what was ON it...
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9581 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 19:19:57
December 28 2009 19:15 GMT
#20
I swear, I loved the concept of uncharted worlds, I really did. But when every and I mean EVERY planet you land on is a mountain range, and every second cliff you climb is a 89,5 degrees tilted, it quickly becomes monotone and becomes a nuisance rather than an interesting part of the game.

I mean, why can't they implement a few FLAT planets, or semi-flat with post-meteor craters with them? Or some big planet that was cover with an ocean, but now the water dried up or some shit, and it just leave a big canyon on the majority of the map with the remains(bones) of dead animals scattered around? Or an actual level with water? You wouldn't need to even implement anything new, and say that the mako drives on the bottom, and your environmental suits are water proof with an inbuilt oxygen tank and gravity boots or some shit.
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