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[DUF]MethodMan
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany1716 Posts
December 26 2008 18:40 GMT
#41
pG was just the coolest clan ever
Xenixx
Profile Joined June 2008
United States499 Posts
December 26 2008 21:34 GMT
#42
So nostalgic for me, reminds me when I used to play for pG., TAF, x.6, as someone said before seriously the good ole days of SC...
Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
December 26 2008 22:38 GMT
#43
Very nicely done, sir. Great handling of depth: understandable for those who don't know the history, and interesting for those that do.
Dont drink and derive. TSL: Made with Balls.
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-27 02:45:01
December 27 2008 02:43 GMT
#44
Awesome post Lucas, even tho I would NOT consider ToT a sponsored team.
I was in it and there's literally no sponsorship at all imo.
Yea, they get some shirts and hardware once in a while, but you cannot really call that sponsored.
ToT is the ONLY one of the big dogs that never needed any money at all to be the Best of the Best, and imo that's also what separates them from others.
Shows that money isn't all. Team spirit f t w. And ofc shows how much of a great leader Mr Semke is.
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
December 27 2008 02:48 GMT
#45
Small correction: We have ATI as a sponsor but our tag is mTw.AMD cause AMD is the head sponsor.
Colbi
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States535 Posts
December 27 2008 03:57 GMT
#46
On December 27 2008 11:48 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Small correction: We have ATI as a sponsor but our tag is mTw.AMD cause AMD is the head sponsor.

Correction fixed I apologize for that. Thanks Pat!
Editor-in-Chief for Team EG - http://www.twitter.com/LColbi
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1399 Posts
December 27 2008 14:00 GMT
#47
nice read
mada mada dane
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
December 27 2008 14:36 GMT
#48
On December 26 2008 05:30 Plexa wrote:
excellent article about a topic that we don't talk about often on TL


indeed.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43646 Posts
December 27 2008 22:17 GMT
#49
dignitas.apollo got C on icc a while ago. <3 Shaun.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
TYL
Profile Joined February 2008
Philippines116 Posts
December 28 2008 04:41 GMT
#50
nice article
a girl's smile is her best make up.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 28 2008 05:49 GMT
#51
5/5, nice read.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
lwstupidus
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States74 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-28 06:07:59
December 28 2008 06:07 GMT
#52
Nice article.

On December 26 2008 11:24 Colbi wrote:
Some very interesting insight. May I ask what team you own?



But, there will be a period when SC2 is young that it will be a global game. This may continue long after as well - we see this with the much hated War3


Well, even though his name is SK, clearly not a team that supports War3. Probably a very mediocre US Counterstrike team.
a penne saved is a penne earned
Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
December 29 2008 04:22 GMT
#53
very informative.

i remember the good old pG days
iG.Zeep
Profile Joined May 2008
Mexico253 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-03 18:35:32
January 03 2009 14:37 GMT
#54
ToT didnt really get sponsors till 2006 =P (maybe late late '05?)

...and no mention of chobo fanatiC. T_T lol


Oh, and AMD no longer is the main/head sponsor for mTw........
T_T
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
-slo.m1ke-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Slovenia352 Posts
January 05 2009 01:00 GMT
#55
interesting read... reminds me of Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory in some way...
sk`
Profile Joined November 2008
Japan442 Posts
January 07 2009 01:36 GMT
#56
On December 28 2008 15:07 lwstupidus wrote:
Nice article.

Show nested quote +
On December 26 2008 11:24 Colbi wrote:
Some very interesting insight. May I ask what team you own?


Show nested quote +

But, there will be a period when SC2 is young that it will be a global game. This may continue long after as well - we see this with the much hated War3


Well, even though his name is SK, clearly not a team that supports War3. Probably a very mediocre US Counterstrike team.

We used to have a War3 division but I've released everyone due to maturity issues.

We currently have no CS division (again, released due to maturity issues). I'd say our biggest wins in 2008 were the Wimbley Stadium UT3 event (£30,000) and taking second at nVision 2008 in CoD4 (as well as several other major LAN wins there). Been around for over 3 years attending major LANs in the games we focus on (though again, almost no CS).

I don't really want to get into our team right now because I enjoy lurking more than anything else. There will certainly be a time when we'll be looking for new RTS players, but past maturity issues have made that a difficult point. Just an SC fan and also a team owner so I thought I'd share my view on the situation.

If players want their scene to grow they need to look more at what they can do for the team supporting them and less at what they should do for themselves. Especially in this era... sponsorship funding has really run dry in the states and is beginning to slow in EU and Asia.
www.pureesports.com
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
January 12 2009 03:27 GMT
#57
awesome write up! thanks.
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
tangerinewhite32
Profile Joined November 2007
China1 Post
February 20 2009 06:06 GMT
#58
Colbi,

I know it's early in the season, but could you write an opinions article on the new College Starleague? Do you foresee it taking off or fading out like these foreign teams?
Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
February 26 2009 22:36 GMT
#59
On February 20 2009 15:06 tangerinewhite32 wrote:
Colbi,

I know it's early in the season, but could you write an opinions article on the new College Starleague? Do you foresee it taking off or fading out like these foreign teams?

I'd like to hear Colbi's thoughts too, but I myself see the CSL as not being a long-term success. It's on a huge ass scale, with teams across the nation, with a lot of dependence on people willing to work and keep things organized without any real incentive (i.e. monies).
Super serious.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-15 14:02:52
March 15 2009 13:59 GMT
#60
Good article but you missed the:

BOSS --> xlo ---> then Bartar ( that was the name of their admin right ? ) retired. Excello found a new team ---> Mgz) ( which was around for a long time, even if it "died" somewhat during a period ) ----> Mgz) became Excello. but actually it was the Mgz) squad + Castro ( from xlo.). Strelok and Ra had already left xlo for Mym-

fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
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