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On July 16 2018 04:53 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 04:42 Poopi wrote:On July 16 2018 04:31 OtherWorld wrote:On July 16 2018 04:21 Poopi wrote:On July 16 2018 04:11 Faruko wrote:On July 16 2018 03:29 -Archangel- wrote: Our midfield completely destroyed France but our goalkeeper didn't show up for this match. Every single team "beat" France in their minds yet they only draw to Denmark and because they fixed that match At the end, the difference between the harder and the easier path showed up 🤔 Yeah to be honest we destroyed every single team. Was expected since our team is expensive but nice to see If you think Croatia was "destroyed" here you might want to rewatch the game in a few weeks. They actually held their ground much better than any other team we played against, and they would have probably won with Subasic not being in a bad day. Of course they held their ground. They were the second best team this World Cup. About Kante, he got replaced because of the yellow, not because he was bad Nah, that is an excuse. If he played well even a yellow does not require such an early replacement. Only bad play or injury require that.
Think he was sub because he was playing badly AND was on a yellow.
How is griezmann the 3rd best player this tournament? For scoring penalties?
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On July 16 2018 08:22 Faruko wrote: How is france a defensive team if scored 11 goals in the knock out stage and super offensive beatiful 60%+ possesion by Spain in 2010 only 4?
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France was pretty defensive, Inact I would say that the biggest MVP's for them have been Varane and Umtiti.
Offensiely theyre identity is just ok, They have individuals that are so strong on their individual Matchups they make up for it and not needing an offensive identity.
Even today Mbappe got the space he got because his team was ahead and the opponents had to chase the game. In the first half he had 2 completed passes, 2. Croatia handled him pretty well before France got ahead.
I mean he was getting wrecked by Strinic 1v1 alot of the time lol. I am sure there are clips of it, but ofcourse there was an aspect of team defending to it which is why he is such a handful. And that breaks down when you have to push forward chasing goals.
+ Show Spoiler +And people are still forgetting how Marcelo absolutely wrecked him in the CL. He has everything he needs but he has a ways to go still.
This france team is actually quite similar to Madrid in that respect.
Italy in 82 scored about has many goals as France did this WC in less games so the number of goals on its own is a stupid thing to consider.. Italy was NOT an offensive team. Neither is this French one. Which is ok. Do what works for you.
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I kinda talked about that lol i posted abiut it in the sf
France is a pragmatic team that attacks when they need to, going all out is being offensive? No, doing side passes for 30 minutes is offensive? No, posesion = offensive? Hell no.
There are just 2 teams adapting to situations
France knew Croatia had 90 more extra minutes of playtime, so what did they do? Give them the ball, try to control a bit the oace by cutting down the game (which didn't worked out at the start) and use Griezmann as the ordee + Hernandez/Mbappe moving around, they'll get tired eventually.
So what happened when Croatia got tired? They went in and score 2 goals. Was it defensive? You can call it that, I'd call it adapt to the situation and having a good manager to read the game (that Nzonzi change at minute 50 destroyed Croatia)
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I didn't see Nzonzi change do anything. Both goals in 2nd were basically solo goals. Croatia still had fairly easy way towards France goal until we got tired (and demoralised)
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I'm not taking anything away from Croatia, but they clearly got tired out and Modric didn't appear, Rakitic played so well today but luck wasn't on their side.
At the end, France just was superior, Croatia was a great team and clearly knew their way to play the game with Modric/Rakitic/Perisic, sadly Modric had his worst game in the finals and that was crucial.
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On July 16 2018 11:24 -Archangel- wrote: I didn't see Nzonzi change do anything. Both goals in 2nd were basically solo goals. Croatia still had fairly easy way towards France goal until we got tired (and demoralised)
Nzonzi chage allowed Pogba (and maybe also Mbappe) to push forward more and being more offensive without worrying about getting counter attacked. . The first goal in second half was not a solo goal at all, since it was Mbappe who cut in from the right first before passing to Griezman who then passed to Pogba, who is now being able to push forward since Nzonzi can help him with the defensive play.
The second goal also has the left wing dribbing and cutting in from the left flank passing Craotia's defenders before crossing in the ball toward center for Mbappe. I wouldn't call that a solo goal either.
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Whole country is currently celebrating our team as if they are the champions because in our hearts they are. This is now the biggest single positive gathering of the nation since the end of our liberation war. The sights and sounds are beyond incredible.
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On July 17 2018 01:12 -Archangel- wrote: Whole country is currently celebrating our team as if they are the champions because in our hearts they are. This is now the biggest single positive gathering of the nation since the end of our liberation war. The sights and sounds are beyond incredible. Current estimates are 300 000+ people have gathered in our capital to greet the team.
Given a population of 4 million, not too bad.
A percentage of 7.5 %
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the weird feeling is that it looks like france won the WC without even being at full throttle
if they can keep that mojo, i see a greater future for these guys
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51319 Posts
On July 17 2018 03:52 Makro wrote: the weird feeling is that it looks like france won the WC without even being at full throttle
if they can keep that mojo, i see a greater future for these guys Biggest weak points for France yesterday was full backs and that is because the best left back Mendy wasn't fit enough to play right and on the right Pavard is not so good defending, if they can fix those two positions they will be in very good stead for Euro 2020
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I was fighting against nokok and some other french arrogant ppl earlier this weak, telling them to be modest and humble. I was afraid of the hate against us. I read the whole thread and oh boy, the salt and hate was strong. At least, Phantom apologized for it. But some other ppl brought the immigration into a football WC thread ? HELL NO. You can be salty. You can be mad. Don't be THAT guy tho.
Croatia was the better team overall, France had three things : Talented individual players, Deschamps as a coach, and a bit of luck. It was enough this time. We are going strong into the next Euro, with young players improving more and more.
Thank you, THANK YOU Pande for your threads. You are awesome, and even tho England football team is not my favorite, I was sad they lost, because you're a hero to me. Keep it up, and thank you again.
See u in the next WC guys !
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On July 17 2018 05:36 Yosheekee wrote: I was fighting against nokok and some other french arrogant ppl earlier this weak, telling them to be modest and humble. I was afraid of the hate against us. I read the whole thread and oh boy, the salt and hate was strong. At least, Phantom apologized for it. But some other ppl brought the immigration into a football WC thread ? HELL NO. You can be salty. You can be mad. Don't be THAT guy tho.
Croatia was the better team overall, France had three things : Talented individual players, Deschamps as a coach, and a bit of luck. It was enough this time. We are going strong into the next Euro, with young players improving more and more.
Thank you, THANK YOU Pande for your threads. You are awesome, and even tho England football team is not my favorite, I was sad they lost, because you're a hero to me. Keep it up, and thank you again.
See u in the next WC guys ! Why wait so long. League of nations starts soon and then 2020 EC
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On July 17 2018 03:55 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 03:52 Makro wrote: the weird feeling is that it looks like france won the WC without even being at full throttle
if they can keep that mojo, i see a greater future for these guys Biggest weak points for France yesterday was full backs and that is because the best left back Mendy wasn't fit enough to play right and on the right Pavard is not so good defending, if they can fix those two positions they will be in very good stead for Euro 2020 lucas hernandez was top tier though, even if i agree that pavard was the weakest link but you have sidibé instead of him and this dude just have no clue how to defend
if they keep the same winning mentality, for sure they can dream of winning tue 2020 : the quality is here
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On July 17 2018 05:54 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 05:36 Yosheekee wrote: I was fighting against nokok and some other french arrogant ppl earlier this weak, telling them to be modest and humble. I was afraid of the hate against us. I read the whole thread and oh boy, the salt and hate was strong. At least, Phantom apologized for it. But some other ppl brought the immigration into a football WC thread ? HELL NO. You can be salty. You can be mad. Don't be THAT guy tho.
Croatia was the better team overall, France had three things : Talented individual players, Deschamps as a coach, and a bit of luck. It was enough this time. We are going strong into the next Euro, with young players improving more and more.
Thank you, THANK YOU Pande for your threads. You are awesome, and even tho England football team is not my favorite, I was sad they lost, because you're a hero to me. Keep it up, and thank you again.
See u in the next WC guys ! Why wait so long. League of nations starts soon and then 2020 EC
If Pande continues his awesome work with the threads, i'll be there !
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Aren't we in a group with France in the nation's league? Haha, I hope the winners' curse works there as well, since we don't stand a chance at the moment...
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51319 Posts
England have Spain and Croatia in our group as well...fun fun
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Yesterday was crazy, our media are saying that about 500 000 people came out to celebrate our team all the way from airport to our main square. That is 500 000 from about 4 mil population. Their air plane landed at 15:15 and the celebrations ended at about 22:00. And some people began gathering around noon.. this was by far the biggest gathering of our people in our history. We are very emotional people, both negative and positive.
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