The show starts off showing how Saul started off as a former scam artist who was trying to stay clean and work legit, but is struggling to make ends meet, and it has quite a few tie ins to characters from Breaking Bad.
[TV] Better Call Saul
Forum Index > Media & Entertainment |
karazax
United States3737 Posts
The show starts off showing how Saul started off as a former scam artist who was trying to stay clean and work legit, but is struggling to make ends meet, and it has quite a few tie ins to characters from Breaking Bad. | ||
Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
| ||
malcram
2752 Posts
| ||
Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Love the black-and-white post-Breaking Bad Cinnabun intro to start the show. Kind of sad, but good to see he's doing alright. Can't wait to see more of Mike. "You're like a troll under a bridge." The show should give us a lot more info on Mike... and something tells me we'll be seeing Gustavo at some point (after all, it was Saul that introduced Gus to Walter). | ||
Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
| ||
Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
| ||
On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Tuco The cinematography continues to be legendary. Vince has made clear that this story is very different than Walter White. I'm excited to see the direction they take us. On February 11 2015 01:11 Naphal wrote: i was confused by mister spaceaids, didnt know such an illness existed. + Show Spoiler + Considering the way he acts coupled with Saul being adamant about him taking off the "space blanket" leads me to believe this is a mental condition not a physical one. Basically he's going mad. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 11 2015 06:13 Leporello wrote: It's getting interesting. Love the black-and-white post-Breaking Bad Cinnabun intro to start the show. Kind of sad, but good to see he's doing alright. Can't wait to see more of Mike. "You're like a troll under a bridge." The show should give us a lot more info on Mike... and something tells me we'll be seeing Gustavo at some point (after all, it was Saul that introduced Gus to Walter). Saul never met Gus | ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
| ||
Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
On February 11 2015 07:36 On_Slaught wrote: I truly enjoyed the first two episodes. I think the + Show Spoiler + Tuco The cinematography continues to be legendary. Vince has made clear that this story is very different than Walter White. I'm excited to see the direction they take us. + Show Spoiler + Considering the way he acts coupled with Saul being adamant about him taking off the "space blanket" leads me to believe this is a mental condition not a physical one. Basically he's going mad. yeah ep02 cleared that up for me^^ | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Poor guy is fucked up, in all the ridiculous ways | ||
lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
I don't know why this writer gets so much hype. His Sopranos season was one of the worst and BB was good at times but nearly twice too long. | ||
kongoline
6318 Posts
On February 11 2015 21:37 lord_nibbler wrote: It's just like Breaking Bad in that it is as slow has it can get without me turning it off. I don't know why this writer gets so much hype. His Sopranos season was one of the worst and BB was good at times but nearly twice too long. its drama not action | ||
karazax
United States3737 Posts
| ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
| ||
jxx
Brazil307 Posts
On February 15 2015 05:46 SixStrings wrote: I'm surprised this thread isn't a bit more active. I'm so happy to have a show to follow again, especially one that is slow and deliberate drama. Absolutely loved the first episode and waiting for Tuesday with great anticipation. You know there are 2 episodes out already right? | ||
CorsairHero
Canada9487 Posts
| ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
| ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
| ||
SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
On February 17 2015 20:07 Scorch wrote: Episode 3 is out. I'm not sure why this show doesn't get more attention. It has the whole Breaking Bad hype going for it, and it's also pretty good in its own right. Maybe the reason is the fact that this show isn't rated as good as Breaking Bad on Metacritic. But when you have a closer look and only take the critic's scores into account. BCS is even better rated than the first season of BB. | ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
| ||
jxx
Brazil307 Posts
| ||
jeeeeohn
United States1343 Posts
| ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On February 18 2015 01:00 jeeeeohn wrote: I like it more than Breaking Bad. Honestly, the whole "we have a problem, let's solve it with chemistry" shtick got old. I'm digging the fact that I don't have to know a damn thing about BB to follow BCS. They did that like once a season... | ||
coolTLname
United States315 Posts
| ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On February 18 2015 01:53 coolTLname wrote: this shit is meth for my social. why talk to ppl when i can talk to all my friends in my tv shows??????????????????????????????????? Yeah, 50 minutes a week, how awfully your social life must suffer. | ||
coolTLname
United States315 Posts
| ||
coolTLname
United States315 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
malcram
2752 Posts
| ||
Sub40APM
6336 Posts
| ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On February 18 2015 01:53 coolTLname wrote: this shit is meth for my social. why talk to ppl when i can talk to all my friends in my tv shows??????????????????????????????????? Hahaha. When I read this and the low post count, I already thought he wouldn't last long here with that kind of posting quality. Two posts later, he's banned. I was somewhat surprised in this episode because for once, something went right for McGill. He was right about the self-kidnapping and actually found the family out in the woods. I think it was the first time ever on the show. Before that, it had always gone from bad to worse, no matter what he did. On February 18 2015 04:14 Sub40APM wrote: There are only two episodes left in this...'season' ?? Says who? IMDB has an episode every week until episode 10 on April 6th. | ||
FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Loved Breaking Bad. Loved Saul. Yet, the idea of a spin-off centered on a guy who was the comedic relief of a fairly dark drama sounded like some sort of parody. I could hardly believe they went through with it. I have to say though, so far this is really good. Looks like I have something to watch again after I jumped ship on tWD | ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
It's called 'Huell Stop the Rain', airing from 10/2015. | ||
Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
| ||
Azuzu
United States328 Posts
| ||
Angryhorse
Sweden387 Posts
| ||
N.geNuity
United States5111 Posts
What does she do? Do lawyers just roam around crime scenes? Will she have a story besides 3 am sexy time? I loved first two episodes | ||
FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
I watched all of Breaking Bad, but so far, I dunno...It does feel a little slow paced, and not the good kind. I feel like they could make each episode 5-15 minutes shorter, and still get the exact same effect, while something like GoT moves slowly, but adds to the story. Either way, I'm curious where things will end up, and as such, I'll watch a few more episodes. If it picks up, great, if not, I think this might be a show I consider skipping considering there's so many gems on TV follow at the moment. | ||
Cricketer12
United States13830 Posts
| ||
FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On February 19 2015 03:50 SixStrings wrote: AMC just announced a second spin-off series. It's called 'Huell Stop the Rain', airing from 10/2015. I'd watch the shit out of show with Huell. Wonder if he ever got out of that room... | ||
Cricketer12
United States13830 Posts
On February 19 2015 17:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I'd watch the shit out of show with Huell. Wonder if he ever got out of that room... wait seriously? that seems more like a joke, i will allow BCS because BB was so perfect and Saul was an amazing character, but HStR is just milking | ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
| ||
Cricketer12
United States13830 Posts
On February 20 2015 04:36 SixStrings wrote: I like how my fabrication already has an abbreviation. cant believe i fell for that wtf | ||
Darkthorn
Romania912 Posts
On February 19 2015 17:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I'd watch the shit out of show with Huell. Wonder if he ever got out of that room... I'd watch a show about Gus...right from the start till he died in BB. And yes I know there's no 2nd spin off series YET.(depends how well BCS works) | ||
graan
Germany589 Posts
On February 20 2015 07:21 Darkthorn wrote: I'd watch a show about Gus...right from the start till he died in BB. And yes I know there's no 2nd spin off series YET.(depends how well BCS works) How about the romantic comedy How i met Walter, Skylar tells Jr. the full story, 8 seasons and spoiler: walt dies in the end! | ||
Cricketer12
United States13830 Posts
On February 20 2015 07:21 Darkthorn wrote: I'd watch a show about Gus...right from the start till he died in BB. And yes I know there's no 2nd spin off series YET.(depends how well BCS works) this is what i want, Gus was def the best character in BB | ||
SUPERFRANZ
Germany8 Posts
| ||
Velr
Switzerland10414 Posts
But i think its more likely that he will just call in the cops | ||
SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
| ||
Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On February 23 2015 23:24 SpikeStarcraft wrote: Seems kinda stupid to bust in and expect them to just follow him peacefully. They're criminals after all. Not very good ones but i wouldnt want to test what they are capable of when they feel they dont have a choice. Saul can take them. | ||
Velr
Switzerland10414 Posts
| ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
| ||
sertas
Sweden815 Posts
| ||
SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
| ||
Westy
England808 Posts
| ||
Cricketer12
United States13830 Posts
| ||
MajuGarzett
Canada635 Posts
On February 25 2015 04:33 Westy wrote: So is Chuck Sauls brother or father or what? Brother, Saul says so in the cold open in episode 3 I think. | ||
Westy
England808 Posts
On February 25 2015 05:38 MajuGarzett wrote: Brother, Saul says so in the cold open in episode 3 I think. Yea I heard it too, but it just doesn't seem right... Chuck looks way too old. And fat. And different! I loved the s'all good man part. Wonder if they had that in mind when they originally created the character for BB or if it was just a happy accident. | ||
Cricketer12
United States13830 Posts
On February 25 2015 17:05 Westy wrote: Yea I heard it too, but it just doesn't seem right... Chuck looks way too old. And fat. And different! I loved the s'all good man part. Wonder if they had that in mind when they originally created the character for BB or if it was just a happy accident. I think they knew Saul Goodman wasn't his real name, he was too much of a sleezeball | ||
LeeDawg
United States1306 Posts
On February 26 2015 00:36 Cricketer12 wrote: I think they knew Saul Goodman wasn't his real name, he was too much of a sleezeball In BB, Saul definitely says that his real name isn't Saul, and that he 'does the jewish thing for show' or something the that effect. I don't remember exactly what he said, but it is acknowledged that his real name is NOT Saul Goodman in Breaking Bad | ||
Cricketer12
United States13830 Posts
On March 02 2015 02:41 LeeDawg wrote: In BB, Saul definitely says that his real name isn't Saul, and that he 'does the jewish thing for show' or something the that effect. I don't remember exactly what he said, but it is acknowledged that his real name is NOT Saul Goodman in Breaking Bad ya i remember something like taht | ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
| ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
| ||
jeeeeohn
United States1343 Posts
| ||
Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
| ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
I'm sure it's even stated in BB that his real name is James McGill. | ||
pretender58
Germany713 Posts
Though the evolution of McGill is slowed down again, the closer look into Mike´s past and into the origin of his motivations/actions in BB made that up. | ||
Whole
United States6046 Posts
| ||
Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On March 06 2015 15:01 Plexa wrote: I'm sure it's even stated in BB that his real name is James McGill. I'm pretty sure Saul says it himself when Jessie and Walt take him out to the desert. It is mentioned though, for sure. The most recent episode was a lot better, the last episode about put me to | ||
Doublemint
Austria8366 Posts
On March 11 2015 04:11 Whole wrote: I love Mike as a character, so the episode was really awesome in my opinion. I'm biased though lol. yeah. that mike episode was <3 | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
| ||
FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
| ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On March 11 2015 04:11 Whole wrote: I love Mike as a character, so the episode was really awesome in my opinion. I'm biased though lol. Same here. Mike is one of my favorite characters from Breaking Bad. Then again, so is Saul, and his episodes are awesome as well. So far, it has just been a really good show in general. | ||
Jetaap
France4814 Posts
On March 10 2015 23:26 pretender58 wrote: Any thoughts on the latest episode? Though the evolution of McGill is slowed down again, the closer look into Mike´s past and into the origin of his motivations/actions in BB made that up. I thought that last scene/monologue with Mike was amazing, i was expecting this serie to be somewhat of a spoof of breaking bad but it's actually a really good show, i'm pleasantly surprised! | ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
| ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
I went 'ugh' when he was hunched over the heaps of law books, because I felt it was so Un-Saulike to be a criminal law genius who just finds a clever loophole. The solution he did find was so much more befitting the character. You really have to appreciate the writing in this show, the characters are never inconsistent. Too bad it's only a one-season show. | ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On March 17 2015 20:30 SixStrings wrote: Too bad it's only a one-season show. Do you have a source for this? IMDB has a second season in 2015/16. | ||
Lash-
Germany61 Posts
On March 17 2015 20:30 SixStrings wrote: You really have to appreciate the writing in this show, the characters are never inconsistent. Too bad it's only a one-season show. It's not a one-season show. Second season is already announced with 13 episodes. | ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
| ||
Powerpill
United States1692 Posts
On March 17 2015 21:15 Lash- wrote: It's not a one-season show. Second season is already announced with 13 episodes. I'm guessing it will go at least 3 or 4 seasons | ||
Whole
United States6046 Posts
| ||
Nausea
Sweden807 Posts
On March 18 2015 12:06 Whole wrote: how many episodes is this first season? The first season will be 10 episodes. | ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
| ||
misirlou
Portugal3227 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The scene with James and Hamlet with the printer sound was amazing. Chuck really grew this episode. From anxious to "fuck you, we want 20M$". I imagine the season finale will be the RICO veridict, and we will be seeing Mike doing some more shady business IMDB has 10(1) + 13(2) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3032476/epdate?ref_=ttep_sa_3 | ||
malcram
2752 Posts
normally not a fan relationship drama in shows like this. but i'd like to know what happened between him and kim later on. I'm guessing he did something that fell into the spot of "really grey area/morally very ambiguous" and everyone just cut ties with him? welp, that's just my speculative rant. love how the show is progressing too. really liked the mike episode. | ||
Nausea
Sweden807 Posts
Will be fun to see where they take this story tho, and the music i complained about is only in maybe 2 scenes so. | ||
FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Totally expected this spin-off to suck, what a delightful surprise. | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
and chuck i hope he will turn out well after this cliffhanger lol | ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
| ||
Jetaap
France4814 Posts
| ||
misirlou
Portugal3227 Posts
On March 25 2015 16:01 Jetaap wrote: The show is good but i was a bit disapointed by the last episode, it felt like the pace was a bit too slow for me considering we're reaching the end of the season already ... How was chuck's recovery too slow? For those who enjoyed and didn't remember to look it up: | ||
Xrero
United States120 Posts
| ||
FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
Did not expect that at all. Poor Jimmy | ||
malcram
2752 Posts
| ||
Whole
United States6046 Posts
| ||
sths
Australia192 Posts
| ||
Nausea
Sweden807 Posts
| ||
flashimba
225 Posts
| ||
Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
| ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Am i correct that even he did some online course but he still passed the bar exam in a proper way right?? Oh god this twisted brother...... This is sad but so damn good. Damn. | ||
FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Knowing Jimmy's future as Saul makes this ep that much more tragic. | ||
Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
I just powered through Breaking Bad in about two or three weeks, and started on Better Call Saul a couple of days ago. At first I thought it was good, but not exceptional, but as the season progresses I'm loving it more and more. The last two episodes were absolutely amazing. I can't help but try to figure out what happened between the time of the show and Breaking Bad. We don't get to see his personal life much on Breaking Bad, but it truly seems like it's just him. Yet he's still a lawyer, he has the ads so he has somewhat of a presence, and he's still in Albuquerque. But he has no ties whatsoever with Kim, or his brother, or anyone else? I feel like there's a really good story behind that. I too think his brother will die at some point. Maybe even sooner than we think. What I'm also wondering about, is how much of the post-Breaking Bad stuff we will see. So far it's just the intro if I'm not mistaken. I hope we get more of it, it could be pretty interesting. Anyway... Now the season finale is approaching, and then we have to wait a year. Gah. On the bright side, I do not doubt for one second that this show will run for at least as long as Breaking Bad. It's got the nice start from being the spin-off, it's actually excellent, and the ratings are off the charts. Long live Saul! | ||
Nausea
Sweden807 Posts
| ||
Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On April 01 2015 07:47 Nausea wrote: I found Chuck telling Jimmy that "people don't change" to be rather rich, coming from someone who locks himself inside the house scared of electricity. I mean, he's been trying to change that for a while now. I was a bit surprised Jimmy did not call him out for it. + Show Spoiler + not to mention Jimmy could have had Chuck sent to the mental hospital, but no, he took care of him, brought him everything he needed to survive. Fuck Chuck as far as i'm concerned. | ||
fixed_point
Germany4891 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Seconded | ||
GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On April 01 2015 05:07 BurningSera wrote: Mike best man and wtf with the story development?? + Show Spoiler + Am i correct that even he did some online course but he still passed the bar exam in a proper way right?? Oh god this twisted brother...... This is sad but so damn good. Damn. + Show Spoiler + Yeah Jimmy got probably the least prestigious law degree possible but it seems that he passed the bar fair and square. Chuck couldn't handle it. I saw it coming when Kim was tearing up and couldn't explain why she thought Jimmy should take the deal. What could Howard have told her? Then I remembered Chuck's mysterious call, but I didn't want to believe it. | ||
Whole
United States6046 Posts
On April 01 2015 07:04 Spaylz wrote: Great show. I just powered through Breaking Bad in about two or three weeks, and started on Better Call Saul a couple of days ago. At first I thought it was good, but not exceptional, but as the season progresses I'm loving it more and more. The last two episodes were absolutely amazing. I can't help but try to figure out what happened between the time of the show and Breaking Bad. We don't get to see his personal life much on Breaking Bad, but it truly seems like it's just him. Yet he's still a lawyer, he has the ads so he has somewhat of a presence, and he's still in Albuquerque. But he has no ties whatsoever with Kim, or his brother, or anyone else? I feel like there's a really good story behind that. I too think his brother will die at some point. Maybe even sooner than we think. What I'm also wondering about, is how much of the post-Breaking Bad stuff we will see. So far it's just the intro if I'm not mistaken. I hope we get more of it, it could be pretty interesting. Anyway... Now the season finale is approaching, and then we have to wait a year. Gah. On the bright side, I do not doubt for one second that this show will run for at least as long as Breaking Bad. It's got the nice start from being the spin-off, it's actually excellent, and the ratings are off the charts. Long live Saul! Better Call Saul happens before Breaking Bad. (some1 correct me if im wrong) | ||
Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On April 01 2015 16:19 Whole wrote: Better Call Saul happens before Breaking Bad. (some1 correct me if im wrong) I'm aware of that. What did I say that made it look like I thought otherwise? | ||
Whole
United States6046 Posts
| ||
Leporello
United States2845 Posts
It's just as good. Best season of TV I've seen in a while, mostly in how certain things have come together in this last episode. The relationship between Mike and Saul and Gus was mysterious in Breaking Bad. At first, Mike seemed to be working for Saul. But then later he almost seems like he's Gus's right-hand man... Saul never met Gus, as you say, but he did obviously know enough about Gus to refer him to Walt, and in full retrospect of that show, Mike seems likely as the real Gus connection. In Better Call Saul, we see already that the show is giving Mike his own plot-lines. This episode, nothing Mike was doing had any correlation to what Saul was doing. So I maintain that we might see Gus in the future of this show, not with Saul/Jimmy, but through Mike. Just speculation. It'll be interesting to see how Mike and Saul's stories converge. | ||
coolTLname
United States315 Posts
| ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On the plus side, Season 2 is going to have 13 episodes. Does anyone know when it will air? | ||
Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On April 01 2015 23:30 Scorch wrote: Only one more episode to go On the plus side, Season 2 is going to have 13 episodes. Does anyone know when it will air? Yeah... :-( According to this link, season 2 should be first quarter of 2016. Soooo... a year. | ||
Hollow
Canada2173 Posts
On April 01 2015 07:47 Nausea wrote: I found Chuck telling Jimmy that "people don't change" to be rather rich, coming from someone who locks himself inside the house scared of electricity. I mean, he's been trying to change that for a while now. I was a bit surprised Jimmy did not call him out for it. Chuck meant that a person's 'core' can't change, as in we have an innate, immutable character, not that you can't change your habits or improve your personal situation. For instance, a conman who loves to deceive people will carry that with him always, and the best he can do is not put himself in situations that would feed that character trait, but he hasn't changed if he does so. | ||
Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On April 02 2015 01:04 Hollow wrote: Chuck meant that a person's 'core' can't change, as in we have an innate, immutable character, not that you can't change your habits or improve your personal situation. For instance, a conman who loves to deceive people will carry that with him always, and the best he can do is not put himself in situations that would feed that character trait, but he hasn't changed if he does so. I think there's truth to this, but I think it misses the point. Whatever his past, Jimmy proved that he is not just a capable lawyer, but a really, really good one. He caught this case when everyone, including Chuck, missed it. Chuck, in episode 8, even admonishes himself for not seeing the fraudulent billing. People want to define others based on their past and their reputation. Which makes sense, and is logical. But at times, a person needs to be judged by their current state and nothing else. Jimmy obviously was on a really righteous path, and his brother's refusal to admit it is likely the biggest catalyst to Jimmy becoming Saul. From the episode's writer, http://www.forbes.com/sites/allenstjohn/2015/03/31/better-call-saul-writer-tom-schnauz-on-mikes-code-the-brothers-mcgill-nachos-missing-20-bill/ One of my favorite parts of this season was writing the brothers’ confrontation. The direction I gave Bob was that he had a witness on the stand and this was the “You can’t handle the truth” moment where you need to get him talking Chuck is not going to say anything, but finally he cracks and reveals the truth. What he believes is that Slippin’ Jimmy will always be Slippin’ Jimmy. Personally, I don’t think that’s true. I think Chuck’s actions turn Jimmy into Saul Goodman. When Chuck is saying “You’re a chimp with a machine gun” the audience knows what the future holds and half of them might be saying Chuck is right. And hopefully the other half says that it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy and the things you’re doing are driving him to that. This was my favorite thing to write in the whole season, so hopefully it works on a variety of levels. I want Michael McKean and Bob Odenkirk to get some awards, because that scene was fucking chilling and completely believable. + Show Spoiler + | ||
Powerpill
United States1692 Posts
| ||
W.O.L.F.Y.
Germany98 Posts
So far the show seems to surpass its Spinoff status,really entertaining watch, Has been slow in the beginning but it starts to slowly get more momentum. | ||
Hollow
Canada2173 Posts
On April 02 2015 03:09 Leporello wrote: I think there's truth to this, but I think it misses the point. Whatever his past, Jimmy proved that he is not just a capable lawyer, but a really, really good one. He caught this case when everyone, including Chuck, missed it. Chuck, in episode 8, even admonishes himself for not seeing the fraudulent billing. People want to define others based on their past and their reputation. Which makes sense, and is logical. But at times, a person needs to be judged by their current state and nothing else. Jimmy obviously was on a really righteous path, and his brother's refusal to admit it is likely the biggest catalyst to Jimmy becoming Saul. From the episode's writer, http://www.forbes.com/sites/allenstjohn/2015/03/31/better-call-saul-writer-tom-schnauz-on-mikes-code-the-brothers-mcgill-nachos-missing-20-bill/ I want Michael McKean and Bob Odenkirk to get some awards, because that scene was fucking chilling and completely believable. + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuAuQX40cOQ I think you're probably right, but the great thing about this scene is that we will never know. Maybe it was just a matter of time before something triggered the comeback of Slippin' Jimmy as Saul, or maybe it was Chuck's fault. We can never know. All we know is that Saul did a damn good job of redeeming himself and working hard to get somewhere legit. This is exemplified when he decides to return the money to the two thieves and try to get them to take the deal. He also turned down the latino's offer in the beginning of the show. | ||
Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
| ||
Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
Does anyone know what time the episode airs on Netflix US? | ||
Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On April 07 2015 06:09 Thalandros wrote: Freaking love Mike's scenes. He's just an amazing character. :D Does anyone know what time the episode airs on Netflix US? I thought they waited until after the season to release AMC shows on Netflix but I could be wrong. | ||
Nausea
Sweden807 Posts
On April 07 2015 06:22 Ctone23 wrote: I thought they waited until after the season to release AMC shows on Netflix but I could be wrong. Better call saul is partnered with netflix so the episodes go up a couple of hours later. Don't know the specific time. | ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
Looks like honest James McGill, Esq. is gone for good. 100% Slippin' Jimmy shadiness from here on out. | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
| ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
| ||
Jetaap
France4814 Posts
| ||
Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
I guess it was indeed Chuck who caused Saul to go back to his scammy ways. I feel bad for Saul and sort of dislike Chuck, but at the same time I don't. He certainly tried, and it looks like he gave it a long try, but maybe he could have persevered? Overall, he has spent way more time being dishonest than otherwise, so I don't think his work as a legitimate lawyer and his good deeds have offset the balance quite yet. The job offer would have been a good way to try again, but he decided to blow it off. I feel like he could/should have tried at least once more. His brother was wrong not to support him, but still. Oh well, now it's a whole year until the new season. Sucks! :-( | ||
Amestir
Netherlands2126 Posts
For now I'm not getting very excited about a show where the main character is just going to show how bad / shady he is. I hope they will take the show in some other intresting direction. | ||
Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On April 08 2015 05:44 Amestir wrote: Hmm I don't know if I like the direction of the show the finale hinted at. I don't know I can get excited about another breaking bad, even if this character embraces his bad side a lot sooner / more. For now I'm not getting very excited about a show where the main character is just going to show how bad / shady he is. I hope they will take the show in some other intresting direction. This is the beginning. Sure, Jimmy has always been a small-time crook, pulling off scams here and there, but in Breaking Bad he's not a scammer, just a very morally grey lawyer. I think this is only the start of Jimmy's journey which will lead him to combine his "slippy" ways with the law, thus becoming an excellent lawyer who doesn't scam per se, but who deals in shady business. I'm pretty excited. I'm confident that the writers will handle the transformation really well. | ||
Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
| ||
Kyyuna
United States1222 Posts
I'm hoping we get to see how Jimmy starts dealing in that grey area, wondering what kind of crazy shenanigans he will get himself into. | ||
Velr
Switzerland10414 Posts
They could just have ended it with EP9. Show Jimmy being pissed off and directly return to the old ways. Whiteout these 45 minutes of filler called season finale… I mean, is there any reason he does not take the deal in the end and leaves? That move would have made sense directly after he found out about his brother, it made absolutely no sense at the end of EP 10… It even ran totally against everything that happened in EP 10… | ||
Nausea
Sweden807 Posts
On April 08 2015 18:22 Velr wrote: EP10 felt really pointless to me. They could just have ended it with EP9. Show Jimmy being pissed off and directly return to the old ways. Whiteout these 45 minutes of filler called season finale… I mean, is there any reason he does not take the deal in the end and leaves? That move would have made sense directly after he found out about his brother, it made absolutely no sense at the end of EP 10… It even ran totally against everything that happened in EP 10… He realized he wanted to do what he loved, not do something to get his brothers respect. Just like Marco had a real job, wanted to do the scams because it was fun. Him turning down this new job opportunity is similar to when Walter turns down the money from his old friends in Breaking Bad. He embraces his old self and decides this is what he wants to be, not only for the money, but because he likes it. | ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On April 08 2015 18:22 Velr wrote: EP10 felt really pointless to me. They could just have ended it with EP9. Show Jimmy being pissed off and directly return to the old ways. Whiteout these 45 minutes of filler called season finale… I mean, is there any reason he does not take the deal in the end and leaves? That move would have made sense directly after he found out about his brother, it made absolutely no sense at the end of EP 10… It even ran totally against everything that happened in EP 10… I disagree. There is a lot of character development and motivation. At the end of s01e09, Jimmy is done with Chuck, that is all. s01e10 explains that the lifestyle of a crook is what Jimmy really wants, not by necessity or circumstance, but by choice. He meets his old friend and has a great time running cons with him. Jimmy then gets the opportunity to take a step forward in his legitimate lawyer career, but consciously makes the decision to leave all that behind and embrace his criminal nature instead. He even says it to Mike in the end: what used to stop him from taking advantage - Chuck, his conscience, the attempt at an honest life - is gone now. This concludes Jimmy's transformation, and ending the season after s01e09 would have left that unexplained. | ||
Velr
Switzerland10414 Posts
Jimmy is pissed at his brother, his reaction is to go and party away in the best way he knows (while doing exactly what his brother hated most about him). Makes sense and I liked it. He has a fun week but still decides to go back and have the life he worked his ass off over the last ~10 years. This seems fine too, makes perfect sense. From here on it just gets dumb and incredibly lazy. He is about to go back and seal the deal but agrees to one the last scam with his friend, because the guy is obviously a failure and it was kinda „charity“. Then his friend actually dies during this very scam (This whole part was just very, very lazy and uninspired writing and could have come straight from some show for children. From the „one last scam“ to the „coughs“ of his friend and his death during the scam, sooo predictable and boring…). Then it gets worse, he spontanously decides to: 1: Throw away the easy cash grab he worked his ass off for. 2: The opportunity to work with the woman he seems to like. 3: Show his brother that he was wrong about him. Please tell me, where is the character development? Because everything i saw would have made jimmy less likely to slip then at the start of the episode. | ||
pretender58
Germany713 Posts
On April 08 2015 20:00 Velr wrote: I was very tired while watching, but what exactly didn’t i « get » ? Jimmy is pissed at his brother, his reaction is to go and party away in the best way he knows (while doing exactly what his brother hated most about him). Makes sense and I liked it. He has a fun week but still decides to go back and have the life he worked his ass off over the last ~10 years. This seems fine too, makes perfect sense. From here on it just gets dumb and incredibly lazy. He is about to go back and seal the deal but agrees to one the last scam with his friend, because the guy is obviously a failure and it was kinda „charity“. Then his friend actually dies during this very scam (This whole part was just very, very lazy and uninspired writing and could have come straight from some show for children. From the „one last scam“ to the „coughs“ of his friend and his death during the scam, sooo predictable and boring…). Then it gets worse, he spontanously decides to: 1: Throw away the easy cash grab he worked his ass off for. 2: The opportunity to work with the woman he seems to like. 3: Show his brother that he was wrong about him. Please tell me, where is the character development? Because everything i saw would have made jimmy less likely to slip then at the start of the episode. I concede to your point that letting Marco die during the "last scam" was bad writing. as for 1: He already got 20k immediately and I think the 20% of the sum at the end of the case stilly apply. as for 2: He didn´t get a oppurtunity to work with Kim. The offer was for the firm (forgot the name) HHM partners with for the case, which is located in San Diego/Santa Fe (not sure, but definitively not in Albuquerque) as for 3: He doesn´t want to show his brother anything anymore. After figuring out Chuck´s "betrayal", he´s pretty much done with him. | ||
WonnaPlay
Netherlands912 Posts
On April 08 2015 20:00 Velr wrote: Then it gets worse, he spontanously decides to: 1: Throw away the easy cash grab he worked his ass off for. 2: The opportunity to work with the woman he seems to like. 3: Show his brother that he was wrong about him. Please tell me, where is the character development? Because everything i saw would have made jimmy less likely to slip then at the start of the episode. 1. He just throws the opportunity away to get a job in Santa Fey (iirc), not the money. 2. The job is at another (bigger) firm than HHM in Santa Fey, so it will be +-100 miles from her 3. He realized that his brother will never believe in him, which is what he explained to Kim in the parking lot. edit ; He already tried showing his brother that he was wrong about him by passing the Bar. -which apparantly failed completely-. I can understand if you think it is lazy writing, but it shouldn't be because of these 3 reasons. These are more or less, "Lazy viewing". edit; Got sniped by Pretender (replying during work too slow ) | ||
Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
Chuck has always been against him, despite the fact that for the past year, Jimmy has been the pillar of Chuck's life. Yet nothing changes. So why should he? I imagine that is what roughly went through his mind anyway. | ||
excitedBear
Austria120 Posts
The production may have been good, but the plot was awful and felt too artificially constructed. Also they tried to get in some Coenesque humor but failed terribly at it. Not sure where those high ratings are coming from. I guess mostly from high expectations that become self-fulfilling prophecies. | ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On April 08 2015 21:14 excitedBear wrote: Not sure where those high ratings are coming from. I guess mostly from high expectations that become self-fulfilling prophecies. It's the opposite for me. I expected the Breaking Bad spinoff to be a cheap money grab and was surprised to actually find it really good. | ||
Hider
Denmark9236 Posts
On April 08 2015 21:14 excitedBear wrote: I'm not gonna lie, all things considered, this show was quite boring. The production may have been good, but the plot was awful and felt too artificially constructed. Also they tried to get in some Coenesque humor but failed terribly at it. Not sure where those high ratings are coming from. I guess mostly from high expectations that become self-fulfilling prophecies. I don't know man. I watched through all of it and was decently entertained. It had some interesting moments, but it was never something I was genuinly hyped about. I would probably give it IMDB rating of like 8.5 or so (9.2 is way way too much). | ||
Velr
Switzerland10414 Posts
I really liked EP9 as an example. I hated EP10... And it goes the same for the entire season. I have forgotten most of the EP's allready again, but some were pure Gold. | ||
Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Only at the very end of the episode, talking to Mike, do we see Jimmy make a determination that he's actually going to start being the lawyer we all know and love. Can't wait for next season. I love this show. It's pacing and story is different enough from BB to have merit. It's interesting that we know where all these characters end up at the end of the show. It's not easy to write from that perspective. But they're making the most of it, I think. | ||
FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
There were some extremely good scenes like Jimmy's bingo breakdown and the bar con. | ||
Doublemint
Austria8366 Posts
On April 08 2015 23:00 Velr wrote: Imho it was mixed. I really liked EP9 as an example. I hated EP10... And it goes the same for the entire season. I have forgotten most of the EP's allready again, but some were pure Gold. hate's a very strong word for it, though ep10 certainly was a bit of a let down and one of the weaker episodes - in a field of some just plain excellent ones. | ||
ninazerg
United States7290 Posts
| ||
Faruko
Chile34158 Posts
| ||
dazed25
3566 Posts
| ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
| ||
ExChill
Germany179 Posts
| ||
misirlou
Portugal3227 Posts
| ||
misirlou
Portugal3227 Posts
That cliffhanger. Was it a dream? | ||
malcram
2752 Posts
| ||
Kyyuna
United States1222 Posts
| ||
Amestir
Netherlands2126 Posts
| ||
misirlou
Portugal3227 Posts
| ||
aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
| ||
FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
| ||
DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
| ||
Dingodile
4123 Posts
| ||
Jetaap
France4814 Posts
| ||
malcram
2752 Posts
| ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
| ||
Warfie
Norway2845 Posts
| ||
ExChill
Germany179 Posts
On February 24 2016 08:17 Warfie wrote: I'm sad we didn't get to see the video you know Still got 8 episodes to go. I wouldn't be surprised if it came up again. | ||
DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
Now that's how you do a love interest! Man that was brilliant. | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
| ||
Westy
England808 Posts
| ||
malcram
2752 Posts
| ||
Velr
Switzerland10414 Posts
| ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
| ||
Zealos
United Kingdom3570 Posts
| ||
Doublemint
Austria8366 Posts
| ||
crappen
Norway1546 Posts
| ||
0x64
Finland4393 Posts
It feels like just the right pace. No reason to rush things. They take time to create meaningful scenes without cheating out of it. It's really wonderful to watch how the camera works, the sounds design, what they chose to not show or when the character won't go for the obvious choice or hesitate. You feel the struggle of each characters and not only you see why they are behaving like this now, you understand better why they are what they are in BB. | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
yup, shit is going to blow up one way or another soon, and how mike became a 'henchman' for jimmy (probably all will happen in season3 rofl) | ||
malcram
2752 Posts
| ||
Fprime
Canada64 Posts
As for Jimmy/Chuck, I love the direction the show took here. Tensions are running high everywhere! Jimmy and Chuck are at each other's throats. Kim is currently experiencing strong anger pushing her away from Jimmy as well as gratitude for Jimmy saving her new practice. Their relationship stands upon the edge of a knife. And it doesn't stop there. Howard doubts Chuck's mental faculties... Chuck is not responsible for the Mesa Verde fiasco (not directly, anyway) and yet we know there is legitimate ground to question Chuck's suitability for work. What happens to Chuck if he loses the respect of his people at HHM? I don't think Chuck's psyche can handle losing their respect, as his professional standing is the only thing keeping him together. | ||
FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
In one fell swoop, Jimmy destroyed everything there was to destroy in Chuck's life (if not in the literal sense as well)... Satisfying, but tragic in so many respects. Kim obviously knows everything that said Chuck is true, and awfully reminiscent of Breaking Bad and Walter with his wife. Mike's story line has been top notch also, we're really going places, seems like we aren't so far away from where we were at the original, but they expect it to take 5 seasons to get there. I truly hope they keep recasting it, I worry somewhat due to its ratings going down, currently it's at 2 million~ each episode, while it was originally at 7 million for the premiere, it stays pretty level at 2 million. I suppose it doesn't sound that high since I'm used to GoT, but looking at BB, it's actually not bad, BB had an average number of viewers of: S1: 1.1mil S2: 1.3mil S3: 1.5mil S4: 1.8mil S5a: 2.5mil S5b: 6.0mil | ||
malcram
2752 Posts
regarding the death of the good samaritan. i think mike feels a little bit of regret about it. his face kinda says it when he went back to the car. | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
| ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
| ||
FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On April 13 2016 17:07 Scorch wrote: Chuck didn't just die, did he? Probably not, likely going to be rushed to the emergency room. I think the effect would be greater if the actions of Jimmy made him seem insane/sick in everyone's mind, and he'd be in that helpless state where he'd have to admit he was defeated... Which is what we can see already - clients, Hamlin, Ernesto (I think that's the name) are losing faith in him, and even though he's right about the situation he's looking a complete grip on reality. Everything around him that he values is disappearing, all because of Jimmy, and even though he treats him quite poorly, when reflecting on it, it's difficult to argue he's in the wrong, he's been write about the impulsive tendencies of Saul Goodman, cutting corners, etc, etc. | ||
CorsairHero
Canada9487 Posts
love this show | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On April 13 2016 17:22 CorsairHero wrote: who wants to shovel driveways hahhaahhaha love this show I LOL'ed too. Mike is just legendary really. | ||
FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
| ||
malcram
2752 Posts
| ||
CorsairHero
Canada9487 Posts
On April 19 2016 13:27 FiWiFaKi wrote: Holy shit, fuck Chuck, that guy needs to be murdered in the cruelest way possible, I'm so mad. for being a better con man than jimmy? he knows jimmy always helps his family | ||
Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Also, sticking the car-horn and leaving the note simply saying "Don't" was an understated and clever sort of thing to do (at least by drug cartel standards). It kind of has to be Gus Fring, whom I'm now guessing will be in next season. | ||
FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On April 19 2016 17:06 Leporello wrote: Michael McKean deserves an Emmy. He has been so awesome in this show, and blew me away in this episode from beginning to end. Also, sticking the car-horn and leaving the note simply saying "Don't" was an understated and clever sort of thing to do (at least by drug cartel standards). It kind of has to be Gus Fring, whom I'm now guessing will be in next season. Interestingly: http://tvline.com/2016/04/13/better-call-saul-gustavo-gus-fring-giancarlo-esposito-season-2-finale/ And yeah, I agree that it's likely the case. | ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
| ||
Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
| ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
I don't see how can anyone complains about the show after this finale, this is exactly the same stuff we love about BB. Crazy story setup for saul and mike that they used 2 seasons for that lol | ||
malcram
2752 Posts
quite tragic really. until he finally says "fuck this shit, i'm doing it for ME" | ||
disciple
9069 Posts
| ||
Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On April 21 2016 05:03 disciple wrote: Im disappointed that BCS gradually went more into the direction of Breaking Bad by the end of season 2. I really enjoyed the lighthearted nature of season 1. Don't get me wrong, the show authors have a winning and engaging formula but I was hoping they will explore a different sort of narrative instead of retelling the same story of Breaking Bad - a guy who struggles to reason his actions and ultimately realizes he does it cause he finds enjoyment in being amazing at doing it. I don't get this impression at all, and is one of the reasons I think BCS is the better show. The motives of these characters are more clearer and human, imo. Jimmy and Chuck's relationship is amazingly well-done. | ||
The Bottle
242 Posts
As for the address fraud, again, Chuck was absolutely justified in pursuing it. A lot of people say "he should have chalked it up to a mistake and moved on", but think of how far fetched that actually is. Remember, what actually happened was that Jimmy replaced every instance of "1261" with "1216" in the files, and then switched all the files. Then, while Chuck and Howard were in court, Jimmy switched out the doctored files with the originals. Chuck, in his own words, had to write the address "over and over again" in his request forms. And he knew that every instance of the address was different. So in order to have "made a mistake", he would have had to make the same mistake over and over again, which is an extremely specific one, yet not another mistake in anything else. I don't think there's any arrogance in him denying that a mistake was made. It's not that he's too smart to make a mistake, it's that that particular mistake is way too unlikely to be made by anybody by sheer chance. From his point of view, the sabotage angle is just orders of magnitude more likely. Like I said, I'm in the minority. Most people are on Jimmy's side and hate Chuck. Though I see this effect within the show as well. Jimmy is just way more charming and likeable, so people tend to like him more despite all his shortcomings. I just wonder if the audience has been taken by this ruse as much as the show characters. | ||
misirlou
Portugal3227 Posts
He lowered himself to Jimmy's level to get that confession but in his mind, he's still perfect and did nothing wrong. | ||
The Bottle
242 Posts
he "he just can't help but be unethical" part is BS, because when Jimmy did get his law degree he hadn't done anything to be untrustworthy. How can you know that? We didn't follow the process of him getting his law degree, so we have no idea. What we did see is what Jimmy does when he has a perfectly legit, extremely ideal job as a lawyer at Davis and Maine. He put the entire case in jeopardy when he illegally solicited clients on an elderly bus, because, to him, that's the easy way to get clients. He takes shortcuts. Without having any idea what the partners agreed to make public about themselves, he aired a commercial without any of the partners knowing, essentially putting their reputation at stake to help his own case. Plus, if they lost that case, their opponents could have used that commercial as great ammunition for a countersuit. We have seen more than enough of Jimmy to know that he is just extremely unethical in his nature. Hiring him for your firm would be insanely irresponsible if you knew what he was capable of. Jimmy has his flaws but he openly admits them. No, that's not even remotely true, not in the context that you mentioned it. This season made it very clear that Jimmy always stubbornly stands by his shitty decisions. With the commercial, he kept on citing the "wonderful results" it had without even considering any of the damaging effects that everyone was telling him about. When he confessed his fraud, he still stuck by it as if it were the right thing to do for Kim. And by the way, the way he took advantage of his brother's condition to do that and basically ruin his reputation is about a thousand times worse than what Chuck just did to him. Plus, how do you know what Chuck feels about what he did? Knowing Chuck, and how extremely reluctant he was to extort his brother, he's probably sick to his stomach about the whole tape recording. Where is the moral high ground when he covertly denied his brother the opportunity to become a lawyer after he himself convinced Jimmy to turn his life around? No, he didn't stop his brother from becoming a lawyer, he stopped his brother from working at his firm. Which I don't blame him for at all. After knowing what we know about Jimmy, no sane law firm owner would hire Jimmy as a lawyer. Everybody knows that Jimmy is a completely volatile lawyer, even Kim was smart enough not to tie in her firm with his. Chuck more than fulfilled his brotherly obligation by bailing Jimmy out of so many legal jams in his life. He is absolutely not obligated to pay his brother good money for a position in which he'll be much more of a liability than an asset. But, like I said, I can't justify Chuck doing it covertly. Making Jimmy think that it was Howard's decision was wrong, and Chuck should have had the balls to say it to Jimmy's face. | ||
Jetaap
France4814 Posts
chuck unveils a tape recorder | ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
| ||
Wintex
Norway16828 Posts
The shots when the arms dealer sells the rifle to Mike and it just goes to a total view of the area.... Magnificent. The sniper view. The tension. The god damn rivalry. Jimmy refusing to commit Chuck. Chuck understanding that he can manipulate him. The full fucking circle from the last season finale. Lord, this is too good. | ||
Hider
Denmark9236 Posts
I can't remember watching any show like this where you are hearing two parties argue and while you initially side with the main character (as you have his perspective), you kinda realize that both sides have reasonable arguments for behaving the way they do. It was like watching a political debate as a neutral and feeling like both of them made their points, and while I wanted to root for the main character, I wasn't really sure who was "right". And it was also interesting as we at the end of S1 sided with Jimmy, but as we began to understood some of the history, the way Chuck acted started to make more and more sense. Relative to Breaking Bad, we all knew that Walter White was "Bad" pretty quickly, but what was unique about that show was that the transformation felt "realistic". We didn't really feel like any of his life choices didn't make sense given what we knew about him as a character. But in Better Call Saul, we actually don't know who the good or bad guy is; it's something thats open for discussion. Personally I am siding more with Chuck. I think he knew what Jimmy was and just didn't have the guts to tell him he couldn't work at the law firm since it would ruin his relationship with the brother. Throughout S1 our perspective was that Jimmy was this hardworking poor guy so we emphasized with him. But I think that throughout S2 it became clear that he never fitted into the law firm, and thus Chuck's decision in not giving him the job was correct. | ||
Westy
England808 Posts
First episode was fantastic. Any ideas what Chuck will do? | ||
Whole
United States6046 Posts
| ||
CorsairHero
Canada9487 Posts
Nice to see Gus Fring back and screw Chuck. Jimmy likes his brother way too much. | ||
Westy
England808 Posts
| ||
Hider
Denmark9236 Posts
Somewhat comparable to Walter White's "I am doing it for the family"... I hope the series will end with Jimmy admitting that he isn't acting just to get accept from his brother, but rather because he enjoys shortcuts - comparable to Walter White admitting he did it for himself (and thus not the family). | ||
Fprime
Canada64 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I get the feeling that Ernesto is going to play a key role in the unravelling of Chuck's tape. I also suspect that Saul's/Gene's collapse in the season intro is due to stress. I predicted long ago that the conclusion to BCS would take place in the flash-forwards to the post-BB era. Specifically, I think Kim is going to find him and save him from his misery. Also, Mike is such a baddass. | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
mike's story is just too good | ||
Acrofales
Spain17186 Posts
On April 18 2017 23:49 Hider wrote: Jimmy is an incredible hypocrite and noone seems to realize it. What a great show as it deceives the naive viewer into thinking the main character is the "good guy" who just wants his brothers accept. Somewhat comparable to Walter White's "I am doing it for the family"... I hope the series will end with Jimmy admitting that he isn't acting just to get accept from his brother, but rather because he enjoys shortcuts - comparable to Walter White admitting he did it for himself (and thus not the family). I don't think that's a good characterization of Jimmy at all. While it could definitely go that way (and he clearly enjoys it, or he wouldn't show Kim the art of conning people just for the thrill of it), it's more complex than that. I feel the show is making a point of Jimmy not following the letter of the law (at all), but his heart is mostly in the right place, whereas Chuck holds the letter of the law on a pedestal, but is a callous asshole... meanwhile Mike is righteous, but clearly on the wrong side of the law. The show is more about making a point about law and how we interpret it than about the characters themselves. Although the characters themselves are also excellent in their own right. | ||
Leporello
United States2845 Posts
I'm pretty sure the doctor Mike bought the drugs from this episode, at the Mexican clinic, is the same doctor that Gus uses in Breaking Bad to cure himself after he poisons everyone at the Mexican cartel house Great season so far. Definitely BB quality. Also, fuck Chuck. Such an upstanding lawyer, but not so upstanding a brother, especially for someone who has been so demanding and required so much care. To me, the Sandpiper Retirement case said it all. Jimmy found an entire class-action lawsuit that every lawyer in ABQ failed to see. And why does Chuck sabotage Jimmy from trying it? Because...? On April 18 2017 23:49 Hider wrote: Jimmy is an incredible hypocrite and noone seems to realize it. What a great show as it deceives the naive viewer into thinking the main character is the "good guy" who just wants his brothers accept. Somewhat comparable to Walter White's "I am doing it for the family"... I hope the series will end with Jimmy admitting that he isn't acting just to get accept from his brother, but rather because he enjoys shortcuts - comparable to Walter White admitting he did it for himself (and thus not the family). Maybe we're seeing Jimmy's descent into criminality. But Chuck's motives were made apparent very early in the show. And they're even more similar to Walter White's motives. They're both highly motivated by resentment of other people's successes and qualities. In one Season 2 episode, they do a flashback to Chuck's marriage, with Jimmy coming over for dinner. And it's very clear that Chuck simply resents Jimmy. It's where the show's writers attempt to explain Chuck's jealousy. Jimmy is the charmer, the guy with the heart. So Chuck can't abide Jimmy also being a successful lawyer. Jimmy's shortcuts and faults are simply targets that Chuck was set on looking for. He very, very obviously doesn't want Jimmy to be a success. It's not in his inner-narrative. And that's why Jimmy's foretelling of Chuck's future this episode is almost certainly accurate. "There's my ride." | ||
Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
I kinda missed Chuck's log book. Was there some clue in there as to why he relapsed so hard? Stress seemed to be a trigger for his illness, perhaps it got to be too much after he lost his firm? | ||
CrymeaTerran
149 Posts
| ||
Fprime
Canada64 Posts
On June 26 2017 09:56 Tachion wrote: So that was uh...that was something. I kinda missed Chuck's log book. Was there some clue in there as to why he relapsed so hard? Stress seemed to be a trigger for his illness, perhaps it got to be too much after he lost his firm? Despite appearance to the contrary, I believe Chuck suffered from very low self-esteem. In his youth, he watched Jimmy surpass him in all social challenges. We know he was jealous of Jimmy's charm and affability with people. The only thing Chuck ever had over him was his professional life. Then Jimmy became a lawyer as well. Chuck wanted to see him fail but Jimmy persevered. Bit by bit, Chuck lost everything that was holding him together. Jimmy destroyed his credibility within the legal community by exposing the psychological nature of his EM sensitivity. And then the final straw was Hamlin dropping him. Hamlin was always Chuck's most loyal supporter, and without him Chuck was truly alone in the world. He had nothing left by the last episode. Why did Chuck burn his bridge with Hamlin? To save face. Chuck's self-esteem was fragile to begin with, and it took a nosedive after Jimmy's trial. When Hamlin tacitly told Chuck that he wasn't worth keeping on staff, Chuck's fragile ego defended itself by suing HHM. Chuck won, but it cost him his last friend in the world. He was a pitiable man, and an excellently fleshed-out character. | ||
Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
| ||
CorsairHero
Canada9487 Posts
| ||
Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
| ||
Fazers
734 Posts
| ||
Hollow
Canada2173 Posts
| ||
| ||