[TV] Better Call Saul - Page 10
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On April 13 2016 17:07 Scorch wrote: Chuck didn't just die, did he? Probably not, likely going to be rushed to the emergency room. I think the effect would be greater if the actions of Jimmy made him seem insane/sick in everyone's mind, and he'd be in that helpless state where he'd have to admit he was defeated... Which is what we can see already - clients, Hamlin, Ernesto (I think that's the name) are losing faith in him, and even though he's right about the situation he's looking a complete grip on reality. Everything around him that he values is disappearing, all because of Jimmy, and even though he treats him quite poorly, when reflecting on it, it's difficult to argue he's in the wrong, he's been write about the impulsive tendencies of Saul Goodman, cutting corners, etc, etc. | ||
CorsairHero
Canada9487 Posts
love this show | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On April 13 2016 17:22 CorsairHero wrote: who wants to shovel driveways hahhaahhaha love this show I LOL'ed too. Mike is just legendary really. | ||
FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
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malcram
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CorsairHero
Canada9487 Posts
On April 19 2016 13:27 FiWiFaKi wrote: Holy shit, fuck Chuck, that guy needs to be murdered in the cruelest way possible, I'm so mad. for being a better con man than jimmy? he knows jimmy always helps his family | ||
Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Also, sticking the car-horn and leaving the note simply saying "Don't" was an understated and clever sort of thing to do (at least by drug cartel standards). It kind of has to be Gus Fring, whom I'm now guessing will be in next season. | ||
FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On April 19 2016 17:06 Leporello wrote: Michael McKean deserves an Emmy. He has been so awesome in this show, and blew me away in this episode from beginning to end. Also, sticking the car-horn and leaving the note simply saying "Don't" was an understated and clever sort of thing to do (at least by drug cartel standards). It kind of has to be Gus Fring, whom I'm now guessing will be in next season. Interestingly: http://tvline.com/2016/04/13/better-call-saul-gustavo-gus-fring-giancarlo-esposito-season-2-finale/ And yeah, I agree that it's likely the case. | ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
I don't see how can anyone complains about the show after this finale, this is exactly the same stuff we love about BB. Crazy story setup for saul and mike that they used 2 seasons for that lol | ||
malcram
2752 Posts
quite tragic really. until he finally says "fuck this shit, i'm doing it for ME" | ||
disciple
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On April 21 2016 05:03 disciple wrote: Im disappointed that BCS gradually went more into the direction of Breaking Bad by the end of season 2. I really enjoyed the lighthearted nature of season 1. Don't get me wrong, the show authors have a winning and engaging formula but I was hoping they will explore a different sort of narrative instead of retelling the same story of Breaking Bad - a guy who struggles to reason his actions and ultimately realizes he does it cause he finds enjoyment in being amazing at doing it. I don't get this impression at all, and is one of the reasons I think BCS is the better show. The motives of these characters are more clearer and human, imo. Jimmy and Chuck's relationship is amazingly well-done. | ||
The Bottle
242 Posts
As for the address fraud, again, Chuck was absolutely justified in pursuing it. A lot of people say "he should have chalked it up to a mistake and moved on", but think of how far fetched that actually is. Remember, what actually happened was that Jimmy replaced every instance of "1261" with "1216" in the files, and then switched all the files. Then, while Chuck and Howard were in court, Jimmy switched out the doctored files with the originals. Chuck, in his own words, had to write the address "over and over again" in his request forms. And he knew that every instance of the address was different. So in order to have "made a mistake", he would have had to make the same mistake over and over again, which is an extremely specific one, yet not another mistake in anything else. I don't think there's any arrogance in him denying that a mistake was made. It's not that he's too smart to make a mistake, it's that that particular mistake is way too unlikely to be made by anybody by sheer chance. From his point of view, the sabotage angle is just orders of magnitude more likely. Like I said, I'm in the minority. Most people are on Jimmy's side and hate Chuck. Though I see this effect within the show as well. Jimmy is just way more charming and likeable, so people tend to like him more despite all his shortcomings. I just wonder if the audience has been taken by this ruse as much as the show characters. | ||
misirlou
Portugal3227 Posts
He lowered himself to Jimmy's level to get that confession but in his mind, he's still perfect and did nothing wrong. | ||
The Bottle
242 Posts
he "he just can't help but be unethical" part is BS, because when Jimmy did get his law degree he hadn't done anything to be untrustworthy. How can you know that? We didn't follow the process of him getting his law degree, so we have no idea. What we did see is what Jimmy does when he has a perfectly legit, extremely ideal job as a lawyer at Davis and Maine. He put the entire case in jeopardy when he illegally solicited clients on an elderly bus, because, to him, that's the easy way to get clients. He takes shortcuts. Without having any idea what the partners agreed to make public about themselves, he aired a commercial without any of the partners knowing, essentially putting their reputation at stake to help his own case. Plus, if they lost that case, their opponents could have used that commercial as great ammunition for a countersuit. We have seen more than enough of Jimmy to know that he is just extremely unethical in his nature. Hiring him for your firm would be insanely irresponsible if you knew what he was capable of. Jimmy has his flaws but he openly admits them. No, that's not even remotely true, not in the context that you mentioned it. This season made it very clear that Jimmy always stubbornly stands by his shitty decisions. With the commercial, he kept on citing the "wonderful results" it had without even considering any of the damaging effects that everyone was telling him about. When he confessed his fraud, he still stuck by it as if it were the right thing to do for Kim. And by the way, the way he took advantage of his brother's condition to do that and basically ruin his reputation is about a thousand times worse than what Chuck just did to him. Plus, how do you know what Chuck feels about what he did? Knowing Chuck, and how extremely reluctant he was to extort his brother, he's probably sick to his stomach about the whole tape recording. Where is the moral high ground when he covertly denied his brother the opportunity to become a lawyer after he himself convinced Jimmy to turn his life around? No, he didn't stop his brother from becoming a lawyer, he stopped his brother from working at his firm. Which I don't blame him for at all. After knowing what we know about Jimmy, no sane law firm owner would hire Jimmy as a lawyer. Everybody knows that Jimmy is a completely volatile lawyer, even Kim was smart enough not to tie in her firm with his. Chuck more than fulfilled his brotherly obligation by bailing Jimmy out of so many legal jams in his life. He is absolutely not obligated to pay his brother good money for a position in which he'll be much more of a liability than an asset. But, like I said, I can't justify Chuck doing it covertly. Making Jimmy think that it was Howard's decision was wrong, and Chuck should have had the balls to say it to Jimmy's face. | ||
Jetaap
France4814 Posts
chuck unveils a tape recorder | ||
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