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Alliance vs Cloud 9 game 3 is being played on LAN. As such only the Chinese broadcasters at the event can stream the games. BTS and Starladder has chosen to stop streaming as they could not get the Chinese stream to work smoothly.

Chinese stream: http://www.liquiddota.com/stream/9704
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
October 04 2014 07:09 GMT
#481
On October 04 2014 16:04 goody153 wrote:
so EE TB is a team hero ?(means should be banned if C9 is the enemy team) like bulldog NP with alliance ?

I think TB is first ban against any good carry that has experience with him right now, but EE is his waifu
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
October 04 2014 07:09 GMT
#482
On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote:
TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga.

tb farms faster early on .. but naga wipes out almost the entire map every illusion wave .. and keeps all enemies on the other side of the map if the hero gets in a better position

TB does deal better damage but naga has the 1 minute cd reset button.

i think i'd rather have 6 slot naga than 6 slot tb

but i like TB better right now .. hero just rapes everything .. it's much easier to use and harder to pressure
this is a quote
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
October 04 2014 07:11 GMT
#483
Arteezy thinks TB is fair so maybe teams aren't doing a good job countering him maybe?
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
October 04 2014 07:11 GMT
#484
On October 04 2014 16:01 giftdgecko wrote:
LD needs to refresh that LP page, making us look bad

also if you're worried about us looking bad feel free to update it as well
Liquipedia
lphwo
Profile Joined September 2011
Malaysia751 Posts
October 04 2014 07:12 GMT
#485
On October 04 2014 16:09 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote:
TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga.

tb farms faster early on .. but naga wipes out almost the entire map every illusion wave .. and keeps all enemies on the other side of the map if the hero gets in a better position

TB does deal better damage but naga has the 1 minute cd reset button.

i think i'd rather have 6 slot naga than 6 slot tb

but i like TB better right now .. hero just rapes everything .. it's much easier to use and harder to pressure


Naga is the slow choke of death.
TB is the sledgehammer that just smashes everything.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
October 04 2014 07:14 GMT
#486
On October 04 2014 16:12 lphwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 16:09 goody153 wrote:
On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote:
TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga.

tb farms faster early on .. but naga wipes out almost the entire map every illusion wave .. and keeps all enemies on the other side of the map if the hero gets in a better position

TB does deal better damage but naga has the 1 minute cd reset button.

i think i'd rather have 6 slot naga than 6 slot tb

but i like TB better right now .. hero just rapes everything .. it's much easier to use and harder to pressure


Naga is the slow choke of death.
TB is the sledgehammer that just smashes everything.

both are good in making the enemy feel miserable and not fun to play against when farmed


(i like playing both )
this is a quote
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
October 04 2014 07:14 GMT
#487
On October 04 2014 16:11 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 16:01 giftdgecko wrote:
LD needs to refresh that LP page, making us look bad

also if you're worried about us looking bad feel free to update it as well

well at the time we were only missing game 1 of c9 vg and he had it back to vg lgd
Noya
Profile Joined April 2013
Uruguay11223 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 07:15:27
October 04 2014 07:14 GMT
#488
Love to see TB seeing play, at last.

It will be banned the next game for sure
yeah there it is, C9 banned them themselves
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
October 04 2014 07:15 GMT
#489
On October 04 2014 16:08 bagels21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote:
TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga.


you can't say he's "Strictly" better since Naga has song which is one of the best ults in the game offensively and defensively

Yeah, sure. But TB wins without even needing his ultimate. Pretty sure if the hero had no ultimate, he would be only like 5% worse than he is now. Winning with TB just feels so much safer than with Naga. With Naga you have to splitpush, skip creepwaves and go for the sleep teamfights. With TB, you just park ur heroes near their tier 3s and slowly choke the enemy to death with illusions.
super gg
beifru
Profile Joined November 2013
2164 Posts
October 04 2014 07:15 GMT
#490
On October 04 2014 16:12 lphwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 16:09 goody153 wrote:
On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote:
TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga.

tb farms faster early on .. but naga wipes out almost the entire map every illusion wave .. and keeps all enemies on the other side of the map if the hero gets in a better position

TB does deal better damage but naga has the 1 minute cd reset button.

i think i'd rather have 6 slot naga than 6 slot tb

but i like TB better right now .. hero just rapes everything .. it's much easier to use and harder to pressure


Naga is the slow choke of death.
TB is the sledgehammer that just smashes everything.


Yep,

Also, the build up for TB is much easier than a naga (small item build up to Manta instead of saving for a radiance).

This means that a TB farms faster, lanes better and is more useful in a teamfight for the first 20 mins. A naga that can't get a radiance up by 30 mins is probably a gonner, while a TB still has a chance.
njt7
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden769 Posts
October 04 2014 07:16 GMT
#491
On October 04 2014 16:09 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote:
TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga.

tb farms faster early on .. but naga wipes out almost the entire map every illusion wave .. and keeps all enemies on the other side of the map if the hero gets in a better position

TB does deal better damage but naga has the 1 minute cd reset button.

i think i'd rather have 6 slot naga than 6 slot tb

but i like TB better right now .. hero just rapes everything .. it's much easier to use and harder to pressure


Comparativley TB is as you say much easier to use. Im afraid we will see so many tbs in ranked the coming days.. Not looking forward for his rise in popularity.
"All the casters who flamed me ever for anything."
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
October 04 2014 07:18 GMT
#492
On October 04 2014 16:15 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 16:08 bagels21 wrote:
On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote:
TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga.


you can't say he's "Strictly" better since Naga has song which is one of the best ults in the game offensively and defensively

Yeah, sure. But TB wins without even needing his ultimate. Pretty sure if the hero had no ultimate, he would be only like 5% worse than he is now. Winning with TB just feels so much safer than with Naga. With Naga you have to splitpush, skip creepwaves and go for the sleep teamfights. With TB, you just park ur heroes near their tier 3s and slowly choke the enemy to death with illusions.

dude sleep is super good .. and net goes through bkb which is an addition

that's what separates naga and TB..

everything else TB is better i guess .. i don't even feel like sunder is TB ult tbh rofl .. sometimes he doesn't even get a chance to use it in fights just when base siege's
this is a quote
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
October 04 2014 07:18 GMT
#493
On October 04 2014 16:16 njt7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 16:09 goody153 wrote:
On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote:
TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga.

tb farms faster early on .. but naga wipes out almost the entire map every illusion wave .. and keeps all enemies on the other side of the map if the hero gets in a better position

TB does deal better damage but naga has the 1 minute cd reset button.

i think i'd rather have 6 slot naga than 6 slot tb

but i like TB better right now .. hero just rapes everything .. it's much easier to use and harder to pressure


Comparativley TB is as you say much easier to use. Im afraid we will see so many tbs in ranked the coming days.. Not looking forward for his rise in popularity.


you forget the period of time in AP when TB was the bane of everyone's existence
Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 07:19:24
October 04 2014 07:18 GMT
#494
naga siren will be picked up by c9

calling it now
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
October 04 2014 07:19 GMT
#495
Naga coming...
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
October 04 2014 07:19 GMT
#496
I've said this before: heroes come and heroes go, but batrider is forever.
Liquipedia
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
October 04 2014 07:20 GMT
#497
On October 04 2014 16:19 Elyvilon wrote:
I've said this before: heroes come and heroes go, but batrider is forever.


NP should also be in that conversation
Noya
Profile Joined April 2013
Uruguay11223 Posts
October 04 2014 07:20 GMT
#498
On October 04 2014 16:18 bagels21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 16:16 njt7 wrote:
On October 04 2014 16:09 goody153 wrote:
On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote:
TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga.

tb farms faster early on .. but naga wipes out almost the entire map every illusion wave .. and keeps all enemies on the other side of the map if the hero gets in a better position

TB does deal better damage but naga has the 1 minute cd reset button.

i think i'd rather have 6 slot naga than 6 slot tb

but i like TB better right now .. hero just rapes everything .. it's much easier to use and harder to pressure


Comparativley TB is as you say much easier to use. Im afraid we will see so many tbs in ranked the coming days.. Not looking forward for his rise in popularity.


you forget the period of time in AP when TB was the bane of everyone's existence


5 sec lvl1 Reflection free solo first bloods at lvl 2~3 never forget
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 04 2014 07:21 GMT
#499
Probably gonna be EE Morphling, which is why they grabbed AA so early.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
October 04 2014 07:21 GMT
#500
TM is out? (
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
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