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Alliance vs Cloud 9 game 3 is being played on LAN. As such only the Chinese broadcasters at the event can stream the games. BTS and Starladder has chosen to stop streaming as they could not get the Chinese stream to work smoothly. Chinese stream: http://www.liquiddota.com/stream/9704 |
On October 04 2014 16:04 goody153 wrote: so EE TB is a team hero ?(means should be banned if C9 is the enemy team) like bulldog NP with alliance ? I think TB is first ban against any good carry that has experience with him right now, but EE is his waifu
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On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote: TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga. tb farms faster early on .. but naga wipes out almost the entire map every illusion wave .. and keeps all enemies on the other side of the map if the hero gets in a better position
TB does deal better damage but naga has the 1 minute cd reset button.
i think i'd rather have 6 slot naga than 6 slot tb
but i like TB better right now .. hero just rapes everything .. it's much easier to use and harder to pressure
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Arteezy thinks TB is fair so maybe teams aren't doing a good job countering him maybe?
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United States13143 Posts
On October 04 2014 16:01 giftdgecko wrote: LD needs to refresh that LP page, making us look bad also if you're worried about us looking bad feel free to update it as well
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On October 04 2014 16:09 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote: TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga. tb farms faster early on .. but naga wipes out almost the entire map every illusion wave .. and keeps all enemies on the other side of the map if the hero gets in a better position TB does deal better damage but naga has the 1 minute cd reset button. i think i'd rather have 6 slot naga than 6 slot tb but i like TB better right now .. hero just rapes everything .. it's much easier to use and harder to pressure
Naga is the slow choke of death. TB is the sledgehammer that just smashes everything.
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On October 04 2014 16:12 lphwo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 16:09 goody153 wrote:On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote: TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga. tb farms faster early on .. but naga wipes out almost the entire map every illusion wave .. and keeps all enemies on the other side of the map if the hero gets in a better position TB does deal better damage but naga has the 1 minute cd reset button. i think i'd rather have 6 slot naga than 6 slot tb but i like TB better right now .. hero just rapes everything .. it's much easier to use and harder to pressure Naga is the slow choke of death. TB is the sledgehammer that just smashes everything. both are good in making the enemy feel miserable and not fun to play against when farmed
(i like playing both )
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On October 04 2014 16:11 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 16:01 giftdgecko wrote: LD needs to refresh that LP page, making us look bad also if you're worried about us looking bad feel free to update it as well well at the time we were only missing game 1 of c9 vg and he had it back to vg lgd
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Love to see TB seeing play, at last.
It will be banned the next game for sure yeah there it is, C9 banned them themselves
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
On October 04 2014 16:08 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote: TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga. you can't say he's "Strictly" better since Naga has song which is one of the best ults in the game offensively and defensively Yeah, sure. But TB wins without even needing his ultimate. Pretty sure if the hero had no ultimate, he would be only like 5% worse than he is now. Winning with TB just feels so much safer than with Naga. With Naga you have to splitpush, skip creepwaves and go for the sleep teamfights. With TB, you just park ur heroes near their tier 3s and slowly choke the enemy to death with illusions.
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On October 04 2014 16:12 lphwo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 16:09 goody153 wrote:On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote: TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga. tb farms faster early on .. but naga wipes out almost the entire map every illusion wave .. and keeps all enemies on the other side of the map if the hero gets in a better position TB does deal better damage but naga has the 1 minute cd reset button. i think i'd rather have 6 slot naga than 6 slot tb but i like TB better right now .. hero just rapes everything .. it's much easier to use and harder to pressure Naga is the slow choke of death. TB is the sledgehammer that just smashes everything.
Yep,
Also, the build up for TB is much easier than a naga (small item build up to Manta instead of saving for a radiance).
This means that a TB farms faster, lanes better and is more useful in a teamfight for the first 20 mins. A naga that can't get a radiance up by 30 mins is probably a gonner, while a TB still has a chance.
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On October 04 2014 16:09 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote: TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga. tb farms faster early on .. but naga wipes out almost the entire map every illusion wave .. and keeps all enemies on the other side of the map if the hero gets in a better position TB does deal better damage but naga has the 1 minute cd reset button. i think i'd rather have 6 slot naga than 6 slot tb but i like TB better right now .. hero just rapes everything .. it's much easier to use and harder to pressure
Comparativley TB is as you say much easier to use. Im afraid we will see so many tbs in ranked the coming days.. Not looking forward for his rise in popularity.
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On October 04 2014 16:15 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 16:08 bagels21 wrote:On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote: TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga. you can't say he's "Strictly" better since Naga has song which is one of the best ults in the game offensively and defensively Yeah, sure. But TB wins without even needing his ultimate. Pretty sure if the hero had no ultimate, he would be only like 5% worse than he is now. Winning with TB just feels so much safer than with Naga. With Naga you have to splitpush, skip creepwaves and go for the sleep teamfights. With TB, you just park ur heroes near their tier 3s and slowly choke the enemy to death with illusions. dude sleep is super good .. and net goes through bkb which is an addition
that's what separates naga and TB..
everything else TB is better i guess .. i don't even feel like sunder is TB ult tbh rofl .. sometimes he doesn't even get a chance to use it in fights just when base siege's
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On October 04 2014 16:16 njt7 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 16:09 goody153 wrote:On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote: TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga. tb farms faster early on .. but naga wipes out almost the entire map every illusion wave .. and keeps all enemies on the other side of the map if the hero gets in a better position TB does deal better damage but naga has the 1 minute cd reset button. i think i'd rather have 6 slot naga than 6 slot tb but i like TB better right now .. hero just rapes everything .. it's much easier to use and harder to pressure Comparativley TB is as you say much easier to use. Im afraid we will see so many tbs in ranked the coming days.. Not looking forward for his rise in popularity.
you forget the period of time in AP when TB was the bane of everyone's existence
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naga siren will be picked up by c9
calling it now
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United States13143 Posts
I've said this before: heroes come and heroes go, but batrider is forever.
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On October 04 2014 16:19 Elyvilon wrote: I've said this before: heroes come and heroes go, but batrider is forever.
NP should also be in that conversation
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On October 04 2014 16:18 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 16:16 njt7 wrote:On October 04 2014 16:09 goody153 wrote:On October 04 2014 16:06 cecek wrote: TB seems like a strictly better Naga almost. He does farm a bit slower, but he pushes so well that he wins at 35 minutes, instead of 70 minutes like Naga. tb farms faster early on .. but naga wipes out almost the entire map every illusion wave .. and keeps all enemies on the other side of the map if the hero gets in a better position TB does deal better damage but naga has the 1 minute cd reset button. i think i'd rather have 6 slot naga than 6 slot tb but i like TB better right now .. hero just rapes everything .. it's much easier to use and harder to pressure Comparativley TB is as you say much easier to use. Im afraid we will see so many tbs in ranked the coming days.. Not looking forward for his rise in popularity. you forget the period of time in AP when TB was the bane of everyone's existence
5 sec lvl1 Reflection free solo first bloods at lvl 2~3 never forget
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Probably gonna be EE Morphling, which is why they grabbed AA so early.
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Norway25712 Posts
TM is out? (
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