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On May 31 2015 01:10 govie wrote:
Imo, when you are at mediocre mmr and not in a party :
1) Never play AP, that is were the assholes are at in mediocre mmr, play CD or CM (more team oriented atmosphere);
2) Its better to not complain, to teach or flame after an event. Only thing you accomplish is making them as angry or annoyed as you are. Nothing productive will come out of that, except from you being reported for communication abuse;
3) tryharding vocally below 5k mmr is stupid, most play dota to have fun and dont really care alot about their mm-rank;
4) dont flame itembuilds, if it truly makes you angry just silently report the motherfucker, that'll teach him;
5) There are enough coreplayers at mediocre mmr but almost never enough supportplayers. Just pick or ask for a support that can easily find some gold like crystal maiden and ward whole game solo if you have too without bitching about it, gold is an overrated resource in mediocre mmr anyway. Besides that playing support can be alot more fun then playing a core, alot more active approach to the game.
Dont bitch and try to have some fun, you are in the scrubzone and not EE yet.
CM is a joke. You get captains who scream 'I AM THE CAPTAIN' if you make a request/suggestion, pick themselves a mid hero and then feed when somebody else takes the hero they wanted. This is not even rare. Also tryhards are really toxic in their own right, and despite apparently wanting to win they are the first to rage and blame.
Playing support is the worst, because you are sacrificing yourself for other players and they will still treat you like dirt.
Just accept that 50% of the community is beyond redemption and ignore them, then be the positivity that you want to see in your games. It will make a difference. Not enough to win you every winnable game, but enough to make the game more enjoyable. I had a game today with a WK who fed in lane, blamed his support (who actually played well throughout the game) and then fed himself 15 times and spent all his money on couriers to feed some more. Raging doesn't help in this situation; encourage the players who are not being cancerous and do your best. If your teammate is feeding it just makes it more of a challenge - which isn't so bad. We won that game 4v6.
Also I have many thousands of hours played and I still get called a noob so I don't think you're out of the woods yet  .
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Open the console,
Type dota_chat_mute_all x
voice_enable x
Substitute x for 1 when you are just playing solo pubs and need no flaming to ruin your games, or
substitute x for 0 back again when you feel the need to "make plays" with your teammates or when playing with friends who don't flame.
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SoCal8910 Posts
yeah honestly if someone is just being an asshole the easiest thing to do is mute and carry about your life.
there's nothing you can do, so just play the best you know you can without that noise in the back of your head 
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I've actually almost never had to deal with bm from the enemy team, it's always teammates.
I remember this from Left 4 Dead. Back then, you were allowed to leave a game or kick somebody mid-game. Solved so many problems, let you actually get a fun team going. You know, a team you want to play with- good AND pleasant
Now, in dota, that person owns a small part of the your next hour. Of course, you're the one to get punished if you were to try to leave the situation. I guess there's some horrible all random mode you have to play then with other toxics :p
Somebody said "grow a thick skin":
Thanks tips. LOL. What do you think this thread is about? You may as well say "git gud" in a different strat thread.
Anyone with something more specific on that one? It seems that the idea is to just not care somehow?
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there's a misconception about the "mute all chat" checkbox (and the corresponding console command, dota_chat_mute_all x)... it doesn't mute just enemy chat, it mutes literally ALL chat, including from your own team and yourself... if you check it you'll still see chatwheel and pings and hear voice but you won't see any chat (you can type and you won't see it pop up yourself but it'll still send)
and yes the idea is to just not care "somehow"... focus on your own play and trying to win the game, if the game is truly lost and you're on a support, you can multitask or something...
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All pick is cancerous. Captain's draft is all I played in ranked when it was available and now I play exclusively captains. 50% of the time I'm solo queue the rest of the time im 2/3 man q'd. Captain's isn't necessarily cancer free, but if you care about winning and are interested in "pro doto" then you should be playing captains. The people playing all pick are not playing for the same reason as you and most of the time it will be frustrating even when you are winning.
Be as nice as you can and mute bads immediately. Make a suggestion once and let it go. You're not teaching anyone how to play if they dont want to be taught.
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On June 02 2015 09:31 HewTheTitan wrote:
Somebody said "grow a thick skin":
Thanks tips. LOL. What do you think this thread is about? You may as well say "git gud" in a different strat thread.
Anyone with something more specific on that one? It seems that the idea is to just not care somehow?
Damn with an attitude like that are you sure the problem is other people?
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On June 02 2015 09:31 HewTheTitan wrote:
Somebody said "grow a thick skin":
Thanks tips. LOL. What do you think this thread is about? You may as well say "git gud" in a different strat thread.
Anyone with something more specific on that one? It seems that the idea is to just not care somehow?
well yeah it all boils down to not caring. how you get to that is up to you. u can mute ur teammates so that u have nothing to care about. or u can just grow a thick skin.
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I'd suggest not mute all from the beginning since you can miss opportunity to have good games. Sometimes chat works well.
Majority of the games, toxic players are there from the beginning and you can understand even at the picking phase. I mute those guys fast(like "we lost", "why did you pick that idiot" etc..). Then sometimes people get too excited and douchey, I mute them afterwards.
Yesterday I mute a guy who tries to command my skill build because he saw pros do the otherwise. He defend himself by "giving advice" but it was extremely annoying to comment on some build without looking at how the game proceeds. I was dist and level the nuke because i have to fend of the opponent wr to create space to roam around and I develop little trust to full teamwork and level full glimpse later. He didn't show any attention to our lane etc.. and I didn't pay any attention to his pro instincts.
Single mute is your friend, also Dota remembers them and they stay in mute forever.
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SoCal8910 Posts
yeah I mean if I had muted everyone from the start, I wouldn't have met several of the people I talk to and play with regularly.
but if someone is being a douche, especially if you don't already have a thick skin, you gotta mute them..the game just isn't fun that way and tilting can result!
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On June 02 2015 13:43 gaijindash wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2015 09:31 HewTheTitan wrote:
Somebody said "grow a thick skin":
Thanks tips. LOL. What do you think this thread is about? You may as well say "git gud" in a different strat thread.
Anyone with something more specific on that one? It seems that the idea is to just not care somehow? Damn with an attitude like that are you sure the problem is other people?
The advice of "get a thicker skin" is pretty useless. Everyone knows not to let trolls and assclowns get to them. But that doesn't mean they are successful all the time. And the point of the thread is how to deal with a troll that has gotten to you in some way.
Personally, I try to focus on the other players in the match and work with them. When you have the one horrible player, it is likely everyone on the team is in the same boat as you. Getting together with them and ignoring the toxic clown can work out.
Of course the problem is at some point you will need to fight as 5. At that point I recommend the plan of following the horrible player around until you run into the enemy team. Taking control of away from the toxic asshat is the key to deal with them.
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even if you have a thick skin people constantly bitching and whining can still distract you and throw you off your game, so nothing else to do other than mute.
but its stupid you cant mute chat wheel stuff and pings. seeing > Good game. Well played. as soon as the slightest thing doesnt go our way is just as annoying as typed out flame
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SoCal8910 Posts
dunno I think that you sorta need to change your thinking when it comes to the good game well played stuff.
if you view it as someone being a douche then ofc its gonna drag you down. but if you view it as someone just fucking around and being an asshat..then its funny.
IMO the best way to win games in lower brackets is to psychologically damage the enemy team so spamming ggwp or typing to them is actually hilarious and definitely wins games.
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On June 02 2015 22:24 ThePianoDentist wrote:
even if you have a thick skin people constantly bitching and whining can still distract you and throw you off your game, so nothing else to do other than mute.
but its stupid you cant mute chat wheel stuff and pings. seeing > Good game. Well played. as soon as the slightest thing doesnt go our way is just as annoying as typed out flame
If you are really affected by an occasional chat wheel stuff and getting tilted out of it, you really need to grow a slightly thicker skin. I mean life is hard you know.
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Doesn't you muting them in game also mute the chat wheel? Pings still work and is useful most of the time.
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On June 03 2015 00:30 Yurie wrote:
Doesn't you muting them in game also mute the chat wheel? Pings still work and is useful most of the time.
I'm pretty sure that yes, it does mute the chat wheel, as somebody who often mutes everybody.
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I just try to be a reasonable person. Don't bother flaming back, and if they are persistent, just mute them, because taking time to respond takes from your game. It ruins your positioning, you miss last hits, you don't get to focus. You talking back to a salty person kind of adds fuel; because now he is more interested in a pissing contest, and will continue to flame. Not good if he is your carry. I don't automute everyone but I mean there's only so much you can do.
Most importantly, just remember it's a game, and you shouldn't let random people over the internet bother you so much.
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1) Positivity at the start of the game certainly helps, greeting people at the start, be ready to be helpful etc.
2) On the thick skin: Never answer a flame or attack, it's not worth ever unless you get flamed for not using a certain skill and you can just ping out your ability and tell the person it has cd or some other hard facts. 9/10 flame wars start because troublemakers start looking for trouble and someone starts defending themselves.
3) Mute troublemakers, or defend the people they are attacking if your other guys seem nice and you might get 4 people together to make them shut up. Most troublemakers cant deal at all with people they dont recognize as throwing the game telling them that they are doing everything to loose the game (ruining the team). If you get attacked by a person more than once within 5 minutes mute them.
4) Making friends is big. I have started to send send friend requests to everyone in every game who doesnt flame in a hard game or seems nice in a good game. Makes friendships a bit less deep, but sorts assholes automatically out. In 5-stacks people rarely flame their own team. You might have to deal with 5-man tryhard stacks (combo picker, global lineups, three counter lanes) all the time, but that's mostly preferable.
On a side note: I play super tryhard ingame, but ap just isnt cm and I dont expect everyone to pick great combos and lane counters instead of a hero they like. CM is for me the tryhard draft mode, not ap. I only expect the last two picks to give us a 3:2 core to support ratio if i play ap.
5) I agree to the dont teach people point somewhat. If someone asks or you have a good out of the box advice, sure nothing wrong with recommending. But crying over spilled milk never helps and is usually atrocious for the team's atmosphere.
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I can offer a few suggestions:
- a bit of casual chat during picks or when bad things happen seems to preempt a lot of bad behavior, guessing because people then feel less anonymous
- be quick to ignore people; personally I do it on the first nasty comment in most cases
- try an alternate server: there seem to be some server-time combinations that are really bad. For example, western europe is way better than eastern us for me, although it does suck to have a poorer connection
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
dont queue eu on a friday/saturday night, the number of drunk (probably russians) is problematic
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