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[D]Toxic Players
I'm having trouble dealing with the toxic and silent players in the game and could use some advice on finding a better playing experience.
I've played about 40 hours so far. At first I thought it was bad luck getting so many bm teammates but it's been consistent. It's worn me down honestly, I'm losing heart a little!
Basically, 3/4 games nobody will talk or work together, or just act rudely in various ways. Very lonely. 1/4 games we get 1+ toxic monsters. 1/10 are socially pleasant, in my 'mere' 40 hours experience anyway.
My Current "Solutions"
1- Git Gud. I don't seem to suck enough any more to be the target of the 'noob' insults, but it doesn't stop other kinds of rudeness. I'm sure however that when I rank up a little this cycle will repeat...
2- Find non-jerks. I added a few guys who seemed not too bad, but (lol) they've been the worst overall- just directed at others, not me. He spent an entire game yelling at a guy who said it was his first game ever, telling him he was useless, to quit, etc. At least he likes me... lol!
3- Try forums, find polite teammates there? Anyone else just starting out?
4- Other? Can you recommend anything? I'd honestly rather play with people who are awful at the game if they would just play nice.
tldr: What is your strategy for making the social aspect of your team games pleasant? How do you deal with strings of 5-10 games where everyone is toxic or silent?
Note: I wasn't sure where to post this. I think strategy is best since nobody can get better at the game if they haven't figured out how to deal with other players. I feel that it has to part of your playing strategy, no?
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Imo, when you are at mediocre mmr and not in a party :
1) Never play AP, that is were the assholes are at in mediocre mmr, play CD or CM (more team oriented atmosphere);
2) Its better to not complain, to teach or flame after an event. Only thing you accomplish is making them as angry or annoyed as you are. Nothing productive will come out of that, except from you being reported for communication abuse;
3) tryharding vocally below 5k mmr is stupid, most play dota to have fun and dont really care alot about their mm-rank;
4) dont flame itembuilds, if it truly makes you angry just silently report the motherfucker, that'll teach him;
5) There are enough coreplayers at mediocre mmr but almost never enough supportplayers. Just pick or ask for a support that can easily find some gold like crystal maiden and ward whole game solo if you have too without bitching about it, gold is an overrated resource in mediocre mmr anyway. Besides that playing support can be alot more fun then playing a core, alot more active approach to the game.
Dont bitch and try to have some fun, you are in the scrubzone and not EE yet.
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I find that being polite myself is a good start. And that adding "My Bad!" to the chat wheel cuts down the flaming further. And that, if someone flames me for being polite or admitting my mistakes, the best thing I can do is not respond.
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What is your strategy for making the social aspect of your team games pleasant? How do you deal with strings of 5-10 games where everyone is toxic or silent?
In my games since i play SEA server normally i'd have 2-4 toxic players every game. I just ignore the shit they say to me or anyone. The best solution so far is that you don't respond to the rude people since usually it makes you lose focus of the game just mute them. Just mute them if they get annoying and they become unbearable and it's affecting your plays. After muting pinging works really well for communication.
You can also try to always put a positive attitude and stuff.
Even I myself can get really toxic at times when i'm having a bad day or if the enemy team constantly BM's but if not i usually just mute those who are toxic.
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I'm normally just nice to random pubs and it seems to work out, when I duo queue I find my friends get much more upset with our pubs than I do just because I don't get upset when they do silly game losing things. lol Just try to enjoy yourself and hope for the best 
Also try to stack with as many people as possible that don't get angry every single game. It helps a lot xD
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On May 31 2015 01:10 govie wrote:
Imo, when you are at mediocre mmr and not in a party :
1) Never play AP, that is were the assholes are at in mediocre mmr, play CD or CM (more team oriented atmosphere);
I would agree with this, but you can still win decently in AP, you just have to be prepared for more dumbasses and n00bs in AP at lower mmr.
2) Its better to not complain, to teach or flame after an event. Only thing you accomplish is making them as angry or annoyed as you are. Nothing productive will come out of that, except from you being reported for communication abuse;
Flame? No. Teach or point things out? Yes, absolutely. The biggest problem down at lower mmrs is that they are egotistical and conceited, usually not intelligent enough to realize they're playing with a much higher mmr smurf or something. Its only much later they wonder how you got so rich or so huge while all you do is shake your head knowing full well how you did it was basically ignoring their stupid ideas and playing the game how you know it has to (this only works if you're really higher than them though, otherwise you just will throw the game). If you don't always have coaching mentalities, you'll never improve yourself. If they are actually ready to get out of 2k-3k shit, they will listen and follow you rather than lash out defensive of their bad habits.
3) tryharding vocally below 5k mmr is stupid, most play dota to have fun and dont really care alot about their mm-rank;
Holy shit you actually used that word as an derogatory term. Look man, the instant you use "tryhard" as an insult, it puts you in a certain category of people. A very inferior category of people at that. If you are in ranked, everyone is trying to get better and win more games. "tryhard" means someone is stupid enough to try to use "haha you put forth effort into improvement and take things seriously" to put you down. This is a quality that is to be revered and vastly commended. Discouraging people from trying at things has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Lowbies and n00bs will never understand that "tryhards" are the ones who will always be better than them while they stay forever at 2k. More people need to be "tryhard" and then maybe they would suck so bad. However, most all who think "tryhard" is a bad thing will never be smart enough to ever be anything close to good. Their own mentality is too inferior to achieve such results.
4) dont flame itembuilds, if it truly makes you angry just silently report the motherfucker, that'll teach him;
This fits into the same thing as #2. Its your DUTY as a superior player or one on the right path to improvement to play coach and teacher unless they are clearly not listening or are too stupid to follow obvious advice. In which case, mute the entire team and play cores. If you really belong at a higher mmr, your winrate will still be 80% or more. It always is for me.
5) There are enough coreplayers at mediocre mmr but almost never enough supportplayers. Just pick or ask for a support that can easily find some gold like crystal maiden and ward whole game solo if you have too without bitching about it, gold is an overrated resource in mediocre mmr anyway. Besides that playing support can be alot more fun then playing a core, alot more active approach to the game.
Dont bitch and try to have some fun, you are in the scrubzone and not EE yet.
There's a lot of 5k+ players who would disagree with that point of view. All our trials and facts from our latest tests suggest a severe imbalance in how the game gauges performances between cores and supports. The reason these tests were even done is because most supports in 5k+ have had to endure a terrible ordeal just to push their ratings up that high on supports alone in solo qeue. 5k+ mmr smurfs with cores and ignoring trolls/inferior players spouting crap? They'll have 80-90% winrates. A 5k+ suppport mmr smurf doing incredibly well will only manage a 55%-65% winrate even though they definitely don't belong down there. The quality of your cores is everything. Supporting a dumbass gets you nowhere.
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On May 31 2015 03:00 sCCrooked wrote:
A 5k+ suppport mmr smurf doing incredibly well will only manage a 55%-65% winrate even though they definitely don't belong down there. The quality of your cores is everything. Supporting a dumbass gets you nowhere.
You're underestimating good supports imo.
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On May 31 2015 04:00 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 03:00 sCCrooked wrote:
A 5k+ suppport mmr smurf doing incredibly well will only manage a 55%-65% winrate even though they definitely don't belong down there. The quality of your cores is everything. Supporting a dumbass gets you nowhere. You're underestimating good supports imo.
I agree. A good support has something like 5000% more impact than a bad support. Between avoiding feeds, ganking for your teammates, and placing good wards, a good support has way more impact than most people give credit for.
On the topic of dealing with 'toxic' players, what I do is I mute the entire enemy team from the loading screen, and then instantly mute anybody who flames, or talks in a way that makes me feel depressed, angry, or another negative emotion. Tbh communication isn't necessary in most pubs, aside from pings. This is because you can play off of what your teammates are doing just from the minimap, so you can see if they're grouping or spreading out or going for a gank or w/e.
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It's as simple as the One-Strike Policy. Give everyone only one chance to piss you off. The moment a transgression occurs immediately mute that bitch, you can communicate by pings or chat wheel messages well enough.
I'm also the kind of guy who gets EXTREMELY pissed off when enemies say "ez" after a game, so if I'm losing really badly or if I feel like I'm going to lose against an enemy who has proven to be incredibly talkative or annoying during the game, I will mute them before they push into the base. Really there's pretty much no need to talk to enemies anyways unless you are negotiating for a pause.
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On May 31 2015 01:10 govie wrote:
Imo, when you are at mediocre mmr and not in a party :
1) Never play AP, that is were the assholes are at in mediocre mmr, play CD or CM (more team oriented atmosphere);
2) Its better to not complain, to teach or flame after an event. Only thing you accomplish is making them as angry or annoyed as you are. Nothing productive will come out of that, except from you being reported for communication abuse;
3) tryharding vocally below 5k mmr is stupid, most play dota to have fun and dont really care alot about their mm-rank;
4) dont flame itembuilds, if it truly makes you angry just silently report the motherfucker, that'll teach him;
5) There are enough coreplayers at mediocre mmr but almost never enough supportplayers. Just pick or ask for a support that can easily find some gold like crystal maiden and ward whole game solo if you have too without bitching about it, gold is an overrated resource in mediocre mmr anyway. Besides that playing support can be alot more fun then playing a core, alot more active approach to the game.
Dont bitch and try to have some fun, you are in the scrubzone and not EE yet.
"Never play AP" is stupid. CD and CM take tremendous time to find a match and always have risks of rating discrepancy since there are few players queuing. Your sense of improvement will also be heavily skewed.
On May 31 2015 02:37 ChunderBoy wrote:
grow a thick skin This is the soundest advice. If you get flamed just mute, report (even if you have 0 reports left as it gives you the illusion of control), and let out a sigh "oh well" after the game.
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There is something to be said about growing a thick skin. It is probably the best advice; although, it is pretty absurd that the community is so toxic that this is a necessary requirement to play.
Do you have any real life friends who play? It can be nice to have someone to bitch about other players with who you know already. I almost never play unranked all pick without someone I know and enjoy playing with in the group.
The other option is to stay positive. If you are positive, you can help the players on your team stay more positive. It doesn't always work, though.
Also, there is the option to just mute them. Not the best for teamwork, but sometimes it is necessary.
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On May 31 2015 08:45 soanparlell wrote:
There is something to be said about growing a thick skin. It is probably the best advice; although, it is pretty absurd that the community is so toxic that this is a necessary requirement to play.
When the 2 guys who are 500 mmr lower than everyone else in the game insta lock mid and carry and lose both lanes then you spend the next 40 minutes of your life losing it's hard to stay positive.
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A bad support can just as easily lose mid or safelane if he does stupid things like getting solo killed while trying to secure a rune, giving a free kill to the enemy mid, or leeching xp and screwing up creep equilibrium in the safelane.
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On May 31 2015 02:37 ChunderBoy wrote:
grow a thick skin
Best advice in the thread.
It's tough but if you want to get in the "winning mindset" you'll have to. There are some recent blogs that highlight the concept of how to rise thru the ranks in pubs, and very little of it discusses your personal mechanical abilities - it is very psychological. Both for yourself and how you interact with your team.
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You'll likely see a lot of games before you see a raise in the quality of your games.
As for your very own improvement, there's a pretty big learning curve for you yet as imo, 40 hours is barely anything.
You'll begin to notice that playing a certain style and cooperating with said toxic players usually makes a better game overall even if you don't enjoy it at first.
If you read the Climbing the Ladder final edit on liquiddota, there's some good information to explain the learning process for players in this game. If you find you can't cooperate or bend to players with bad or selfish ideas, you just gotta keep looking for better gaming friends.
Don't be presumptuous about rules or playstyles. Constantly improve in all facets. Keep playing, go.
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If you are new, just don't respond but don't mute them either. Some advice can be good or bad, but you probably won't have enough game knowledge to judge, so just keep an open mind. Mute if they are purely retarded though.
Learning the game will probably be the funnest phase of your dota life IMO. I had the same experience even though I played dota1 before but stopped for like >5 years. Everything including items and heroes changed so much.
Your improvement is hugely dependent on you instead of teammates. Play every roles/heroes and learn everything about the game. Just enjoy.
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I'm sorry but when someone plays 2-16 with questionable plays all game long and then curses me in 1 little mistake I made after covering up his ass all that time just makes me really angry.
You get 72 LH in 10 min and miss a deny? "Wow you definitely must be a retarded better go play lol." LOL.
This is why I mostly mute everyone.
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You need to ask yourself what youre trying to get out of Dota. If you want to have fun, or just play casually, then I would suggest finding yourself some friends who are nice or to play unranked where people are less toxic.
If you're trying to improve at the game in a competative sense, or what to improve your MMR, then you really need to make sure that's what youre focussing on. Toxicity is something that all players need to deal with, so you can take it upon yourself to take it as a challenge rather than a burden.
alternatively you can just mute everyone, shrug.
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Many will tell you you are the problem, but that could very well be nonsense or the truth. The only way for you to deal with this sea of variability is to handle some shit, namely your own shit.
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