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Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-01 06:16:06
April 26 2023 05:47 GMT
#1
We are talking smack in the "random Dota Thread", but I think for the Berlin Major - starting today! - we can make an "official" Thread

(Wiki)ESL One Berlin Major 2023

The new patch is just a week old (or so) and I can't really fathom, which team adjusted correctly!

How often will Muerta been banned?
Will we see a Meepo-Stack?
There is a slight chance, that they will meet in the playoffs, so we could check which NigmaGalaxy player is better: MC or Sumail?
...

Anyone of you at location? I couldn't make it this time!
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7762 Posts
April 26 2023 08:16 GMT
#2
Gonna be a wild major with all the new stuff from the patch
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-29 06:46:09
April 29 2023 06:45 GMT
#3
nothing makes sense anymore: lanes are useless because any loss there can be recovered; if a team has no map presence, it doesn't exist(relo, boots, portals, rifts...); sustain is king(look ma, no hands!); snowballing into a win seems unstoppable; dghfxjnhftj'fkmjn]zptmhz]pdthmzgn.

also, op link goes here https ://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Https://liquipedia.net/dota2/ ESL_One/Berlin_Major/2023 (i think it's tlpdized)
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
April 30 2023 11:48 GMT
#4
Definitely a snowball major
Ok_Pineapple_8325
Profile Joined May 2023
Portugal1 Post
May 01 2023 18:37 GMT
#5
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Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
May 02 2023 06:15 GMT
#6
I always get confused by this playoff system ... "you" did well in the groupstages, so you start in the upper bracket. But if you loose, you play against a team that didn't do well in the groups. So, even with a start at the UB, you could get the "last place" of the playoffs! Where is the advantage in that?
Probably a question of time, but let two more teams of the groups to the playoffs and have a proper elimination round, that gives upper-bracket teams a step ahead!

Aside from that, 9 Pandas look good. And MC Tidehunter isn't that bad as told
Again a EG-OEG game coming up! Will start being a classic!
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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
May 03 2023 06:47 GMT
#7
I guess since it's double elimination, you still get an extra life, so it's still an advantage, no? It does suck to be in the upper bracket and crash out by losing two series in a row, though.

As a casual player, the new patch feels weird, like there's so much space and yet so many ways to be caught at the same time
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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4572 Posts
May 03 2023 12:05 GMT
#8
What a song from Talon agst LGD
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FuDDx *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States5018 Posts
May 05 2023 20:59 GMT
#9
#letsgoliquid!!!

Stoked to be here ! Can’t see the games though no screen near me stoked for the wins today though!!! And a confirmed TI spot!!
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
May 06 2023 15:49 GMT
#10
Missed this thread oops! But yeah eg winning is first time an sa team has made top4 in a major.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
May 06 2023 16:03 GMT
#11
I kinda love that the new roshan can get all buggy
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12175 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-06 16:34:02
May 06 2023 16:28 GMT
#12
Bounty looked very bad in game two and dropped off heavily after BKB in the first game. Force staffs wins games being the other point I guess.

Pavise is insanely strong. Then 5 man fights starts and it does nothing. Opponent support has force staff to save their core while you are halfway towards yours. In game 1 they got their force staff at minute 38 against an Underlord...

Really feel that itemization on tofu vs the 9panda supports was a large part of why they won.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12175 Posts
May 06 2023 19:28 GMT
#13
Next series shows my force staff hypothesis as weak.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3274 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-05-06 19:56:39
May 06 2023 19:55 GMT
#14
Feels like Pavise is good with tanky cores. If you have a snowballing core that is barely killable stacking buffs and shields on him can push him over the edge and then fights become very easy to play.

If I'm loosing I think I'd rather have a FS to save my carry from a bad position, but if I'm winning I think Pavise is the better item, 300 extra hp on Alch or Dusa is pretty nice.

I'm interested to see if BkB will receive changes, because the current meta of 3 tanky cores is probably a result of the Bkb changes.
low gravity, yes-yes!
kakaru42
Profile Joined August 2022
15 Posts
May 06 2023 21:09 GMT
#15
Shoutout to Fuddx on stage at Berlin Major. The balloon goat!
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12175 Posts
May 07 2023 13:04 GMT
#16
Ok, that was pretty one-sided. A heal strat where they picked AA early.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 07 2023 13:07 GMT
#17
Liquid vs GG is now the rivalry of 2023.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 07 2023 13:31 GMT
#18
that dive all the way into the base was way too entertaining lol
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Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
May 07 2023 16:33 GMT
#19
My goodness, I have not been on this site for AGES. Watching the Berlin Major, and with Liquid being in the finals reminded me about TL. Go Liquid!
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12175 Posts
May 07 2023 16:55 GMT
#20
Interesting we finally see an AA after the mass aura and heal strats. Though I guess Oracle is part of a counter.
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