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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6228 Posts
September 23 2014 22:19 GMT
#81
Duel not disabling passives is a huge nerf. I guess same for doom and chrono, but for LC it's way more obvious because she's standing there getting hit by them. Does that mean she wants to buy basher now?


Lesh is now overbuffed about 5x, imo. He does approximately ten bazillion damage with every single spell.

I am a big fan of OD and Ogre's %'s being increased and scaling the effects. 10% chance for essence aura was the suck.

Phoenix aghs is.... absurd.

Puck
Dream Coil no longer ignores invisible units or Illusions
Aghanim's Scepter Dream Coil snap stun now pierces Spell Immunity
Aghanim's Scepter Dream Coil snap stun duration increased from 1.5/2.25/3 to 1.5/3/4.5


YES OH YES

Permanent Invisibility is now a basic ability

Oh good. He's now in every single pub ever until the end of time. Also instant best chassis in ability draft.

Headshot now causes a 0.5 second 100% MS and AS slow instead of a 0.25 second stun


That's a big nerf, imo. I wonder why he's nerfing sniper when he's buffing every single other obnoxious pub hero.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-23 22:23:40
September 23 2014 22:20 GMT
#82
On September 24 2014 07:18 KillerSOS wrote:
Can someone explain the new bounty rune?

Every 2 minutes 2 runes spawn. One is a normal rune, the other is a bounty rune. Bounty rune can be bottled and gives 50 XP +5/minute and 50 gold +2/minute.

The LC change is a double edged sword. On the one hand, it means dueling a carry is pretty much suicide if you aren't at least even in farm. On the other hand, she can benefit from Moment of Courage, bash, lifesteal, evasion, etc during it. Halberd seems AMAZING on her now.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
September 23 2014 22:22 GMT
#83
Pugna ulties an Io that's tethered to him, dat selfheal.
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
September 23 2014 22:23 GMT
#84
On September 24 2014 07:19 fixed_point wrote:
Actually as a long suffering lone support, the tp cost change is the greatest thing to ever happen to me.

But now the courrier you bought change into someone else's courrier when bringing him items , such a nerf to buying courrier.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
September 23 2014 22:23 GMT
#85
On September 24 2014 07:19 Belisarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
Permanent Invisibility is now a basic ability

Oh good. He's now in every single pub ever until the end of time. Also instant best chassis in ability draft.


Basic ability meaning that they swapped Blink Strike with it. It's now his second ability.
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Imperator x8x
Profile Joined July 2013
United States69 Posts
September 23 2014 22:24 GMT
#86
Rune control is massive now. Sven support buffed (ult can help allies now). Sniper stupid stun done away with, YES. Terror and LC move into CM, expected. Will make pro games more fun. Bloodcyka change... I have no idea. At first glance, it seems to make him stronger, but harder to play well - hopefully this will end the "Blood is noob hero" stereotype. Offlanes became weird. Rosh pit is... largely the same from what I can tell. PL... No idea how he will work. Probably why they took him out of CM, so they can figure out his new dynamic. Void nerf W000T.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Chen change though. When this patch goes live he's the first one I'll play. Next is blood, I want to test out these new toys. What I am most looking forward to though is the wild flailing in pro games while everyone figures stuff out. Off the top of my head, we are likely to see dual bottle carries and a lot of support fighting over runes in the river.

Also, it'll be interesting to see how this effect pubs. I forsee a lot of squabbling over who gets the bounty rune and ganking becoming favored over pushing.
If they rain on your parade, parade in the rain.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
September 23 2014 22:24 GMT
#87
•Flying Courier Speed Burst cooldown increased from 40 to 90
•Flying Courier Speed Burst duration reduced from 20 to 4

Mekansm •Restore mana cost increased from 150 to 225

Well, new meta is going to be something.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
September 23 2014 22:24 GMT
#88
Both Necro and Aba got buffed. Going to pubtrain that shit to 9k rating cy@the top
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eX Killy
Profile Joined November 2012
Taiwan906 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-23 22:26:02
September 23 2014 22:25 GMT
#89
On September 24 2014 07:19 Belisarius wrote:
Duel not disabling passives is a huge nerf. I guess same for doom and chrono, but for LC it's way more obvious because she's standing there getting hit by them. Does that mean she wants to buy basher now?

dueling pa or void is probably suicide/useless now that passives are still on.
telling it like it is
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
September 23 2014 22:26 GMT
#90
On September 24 2014 07:24 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Both Necro and Aba got buffed. Going to pubtrain that shit to 9k rating cy@the top

The Necro buff seems really huge. From level 6, +30 respawn time on anyone you kill with ult is massive.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
September 23 2014 22:27 GMT
#91
On September 24 2014 07:23 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2014 07:19 fixed_point wrote:
Actually as a long suffering lone support, the tp cost change is the greatest thing to ever happen to me.

But now the courrier you bought change into someone else's courrier when bringing him items , such a nerf to buying courrier.

Boars, boars everywhere!
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
September 23 2014 22:28 GMT
#92
On September 24 2014 07:20 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2014 07:18 KillerSOS wrote:
Can someone explain the new bounty rune?

Every 2 minutes 2 runes spawn. One is a normal rune, the other is a bounty rune. Bounty rune can be bottled and gives 50 XP +5/minute and 50 gold +2/minute.

The LC change is a double edged sword. On the one hand, it means dueling a carry is pretty much suicide if you aren't at least even in farm. On the other hand, she can benefit from Moment of Courage, bash, lifesteal, evasion, etc during it. Halberd seems AMAZING on her now.


50 XP +5/minute? I don't understand what that's saying.

He gets 50 xp for using rune, and 5 more per min the rune is active...?
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
September 23 2014 22:29 GMT
#93
Have anyone read the XP change for killing heroes? Firstblood before horns now grants 20xp lol.

XP bounty for killing now depends of overall teams XP difference. I think it even favors deathballs more as they often trail behind in XP and they'll even get more XP from kills.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
uberxD
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
412 Posts
September 23 2014 22:29 GMT
#94
It will take months for the players to understand the whole new possibilities that this patch offers, similar to the change of the creeps equilibrium, but bigger.
<-- occasionally in English - @uberdota
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
September 23 2014 22:29 GMT
#95
What are all the implications on the 300 Mana on LD's bear, aside from Dagon?
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
September 23 2014 22:30 GMT
#96
On September 24 2014 07:29 CruelZeratul wrote:
What are all the implications on the 300 Mana on LD's bear, aside from Dagon?

Abyssal, mjollnir, (mek and pipe :p)
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
September 23 2014 22:30 GMT
#97
On September 24 2014 07:19 fixed_point wrote:
Actually as a long suffering lone support, the tp cost change is the greatest thing to ever happen to me.

Oh man I didn't see that. Awweeesoooooome
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-23 22:31:58
September 23 2014 22:31 GMT
#98
On September 24 2014 07:29 CruelZeratul wrote:
What are all the implications on the 300 Mana on LD's bear, aside from Dagon?


Mjolnir would be a good candidate, also I know I'm going to sound like clan_iraq, but Manta Style on the bear seems legit.
┌⋉⊳∀⊲) ☆ If your soul has not truly given up, then you can hear the sound that races through the end of the world.
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
September 23 2014 22:31 GMT
#99
On September 24 2014 07:29 CruelZeratul wrote:
What are all the implications on the 300 Mana on LD's bear, aside from Dagon?

I dunno, euls bear, hex bear, manta bear?
Imperator x8x
Profile Joined July 2013
United States69 Posts
September 23 2014 22:32 GMT
#100
On September 24 2014 07:28 KillerSOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2014 07:20 Daralii wrote:
On September 24 2014 07:18 KillerSOS wrote:
Can someone explain the new bounty rune?

Every 2 minutes 2 runes spawn. One is a normal rune, the other is a bounty rune. Bounty rune can be bottled and gives 50 XP +5/minute and 50 gold +2/minute.

The LC change is a double edged sword. On the one hand, it means dueling a carry is pretty much suicide if you aren't at least even in farm. On the other hand, she can benefit from Moment of Courage, bash, lifesteal, evasion, etc during it. Halberd seems AMAZING on her now.


50 XP +5/minute? I don't understand what that's saying.

He gets 50 xp for using rune, and 5 more per min the rune is active...?


I think it means the rune gives more the longer the game goes on - at the start, it gives 50 xp. At 6 minutes, it gives 80 xp. Games that run super late could potentially have massive gold/xp bonus from the runes.
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