EPT6.82 Balance Changes and Discussion Thread - Page 40
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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TechSc2
Netherlands554 Posts
On September 25 2014 02:19 phantomlancer23 wrote: Sad patch.I agree with the 99% of the changes but even one change can break the game.I like dota because its a competitive game plus to fun that offers.The artificial comeback mechanic is the worst change i have ever seen,i dont want rng bullshits and fake dramatic turnarounds that based on this stupid idea.There must be no handicap that makes dota noobgame.You feed you lose thats dota for me. It actually removes RNG, i don't understand how people can perceive this as if there are gonna be more comebacks then there are now. You have to look at it like this: Pick any Tier 2 team and place it in a match versus any top tier 1 team. Tier 2 team takes a huge risk that pays off in the first 5 minutes in which they take a commanding lead in the early game. The top tier 1 team make better plays in the coming 15 minutes of game and that allows them to still win because of better skill and decision making This change is 100% geared towards less snowballing from minute 5 and less upsets within matchups between teams. I don't forsee any problems with the teams playing differently if they are ahead, but it does stimulate to play better when behind. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 25 2014 02:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Nope, the gold change is really huge if you are behind. I just played phantom lancer in test realm, and 2 teammates left the game so we were behind. At 12k networth difference for them I got like 800-1000 gold per kill. This is a solokill on their carry PA by my PL, gold difference 13k, ending a killing streak. 1700 gold lol. I got a heart of tarrasque in just a few kills. It´s so weird. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/idhN1lp.jpg) New shield item is really screencluttering with illusions, looks cool but gl targeting something. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZTGCyhn.jpg) Weird, but that might have been streak gold too as well. I wonder how much you would have made with the old system. I know I always am pretty loaded after a good team fight in the end game. On September 25 2014 02:55 FinestHour wrote: people really need to stop putting random screenshots of lower level people solo killing higher level, it wont be as bad when its actually split between other members in a 5v5 Agreed. People getting solo kills on carrys with 13K difference is going to be really uncommon. Getting several in row is going to be even more so. | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
plenty of heroes have a fine time laning without a blink escape also huge amounts of passive hp regen on a basic skill now br0 | ||
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Rocket-Bear
3070 Posts
Dunno, don't think he will be good after the patch. Probably worse than he is now, but hard to call. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
you literally need to hope they just let you get level 6 | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On September 25 2014 03:05 FinestHour wrote: how is his laning destroyed plenty of heroes have a fine time laning without a blink escape also huge amounts of passive hp regen on a basic skill now br0 Move speed nerf, -10 (!) base damage, no more escape, no more built-in bonus regen, sounds pretty shitty to me. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 25 2014 03:08 Rocket-Bear wrote: Well he would need to level up his invis so he can't skill backstab as high. Which kind of hurts his laning. Dunno, don't think he will be good after the patch. Probably worse than he is now, but hard to call. Edit: Fuck that, I didn't see the 8 second nerf. Yeah, he is off lane or more like bounty now. Still could be cool as a position 3 hero. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Plansix wrote: Agreed. People getting solo kills on carrys with 13K difference is going to be really uncommon. Getting several in row is going to be even more so. Well I don´t know. I was the highest networth and level in the game with that screenshot but due to the 2 leavers our team networth sucked. I can imagine the same scenario with some 4 protect 1 superhard carry strat, in which the 4 lose early on, other team gets ahead, but then the farmed carry can get extreme amounts of gold from kills just because his team is behind. It´s a stupid mechanic imo. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On September 25 2014 03:10 Plansix wrote: Why wouldn't you just dump one point in invis and then go HAM on backstab? Do you really need that extra fade time? ham on backstab after the base damage nerf puts him still below normal auto attack damage... people just man up on him at any point before 6 and he dies. 8 second fade time is terrible | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On September 25 2014 03:10 Plansix wrote: Why wouldn't you just dump one point in invis and then go HAM on backstab? Do you really need that extra fade time? You'd probably go something like backstab at 1, invis 2, smoke cloud at 3, then backstab whenever possible unless you just cannot approach the lane without dying. | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 25 2014 03:12 Daralii wrote: You'd probably go something like backstab at 1, invis 2, smoke cloud at 3, then backstab whenever possible unless you just cannot approach the lane without dying. Yeah, I didn't see that part until I checked, I thought it was similar to before. Still, he can do work in the off lane solo I would think. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 25 2014 02:56 Logo wrote: Idk that's what I've seen so far: http://imgur.com/a/amssO but maybe that's not intended? Seems sort of reasonable to me in terms of power level. Like you're trading the ability to stop the channel with the fact that it'll only take a small # of auto-attacks to get 2 hero kills. It's not a power level issue. It's that the skill isn't consistent with other mechanics at all. It's not consistent with other pause/hiding skills (Astral/Disruption), and it's not even consistent with his own abilities (if all of the listed skills persist, why does Supernova cancel Sunray?). On September 25 2014 03:14 Plansix wrote: Yeah, I didn't see that part until I checked, I thought it was similar to before. Still, he can do work in the off lane solo I would think. I think that's a good way to make the hero useless. The hero's only real upside now is going to be his triple Blink Strike burst damage at 6--otherwise he has no real upside compared to the old Riki--meaning how quickly he gets to 6 and with what items will hugely impact his overall usefulness to the game. Offlane levels are a good way to delay that level 6 so long as to be useless. The problem is that he wants mid levels but is really not an outstanding mid hero. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
IN other words, you can't offlane him. Or safelane him. Or mid him. Or support him. or pick him. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 25 2014 03:11 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Well I don´t know. I was the highest networth and level in the game with that screenshot but due to the 2 leavers our team networth sucked. I can imagine the same scenario with some 4 protect 1 superhard carry strat, in which the 4 lose early on, other team gets ahead, but then the farmed carry can get extreme amounts of gold from kills just because his team is behind. It´s a stupid mechanic imo. If you are doing a 4 protect 1 and then the 1 gets killed a couple of times, you already fucked up in the old system. Now it just punishes you more for investing so much in one hero. And normally its takes a good chunk of the team to bring down that super farmed hero, so the gold would be split. | ||
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
And everybody is taking about the Chen Aghs buff but I think he needed it. The patch was clearly targeting early push line-ups and that was Chen's only niche as he falls off really hard late game. Without a major buff to Chen he would've been relegated to trash tier. Plus it is unique and has a coolness factor associated with it which is also great from both a spectator and player perspective and a nice boost for what was historically one of the least popular heroes in the game. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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