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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 20:38:29
March 25 2013 20:36 GMT
#49121
On March 26 2013 05:36 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 05:35 SKC wrote:
On March 26 2013 05:34 Comeh wrote:
On March 26 2013 05:31 TheYango wrote:
On March 26 2013 05:29 GentleDrill wrote:
Why not get a Deso in there since the cleaved damage is post-reduction?

Cleave damage isn't post-reduction. It's just the raw damage. It's not affected by armor, not even negative armor.

I read somewhere that it IS affected by armor type. I feel like this isn't correct - is it?

Armor type isn't armor value though.

Armor type means fortified/divine/normal/etc.

No - I know. I was asking about that.

Then yes, armor type matters. Should only really matter for creeps though.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 20:40:00
March 25 2013 20:38 GMT
#49122
It is affected by armor type but the only armor type that Hero-typed damage doesn't do 100% to is Fortified (buildings and Siege creeps).
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
March 25 2013 20:48 GMT
#49123
Sylla's bear does normal right? I guess the bear with Empower is really the only situation it really matters. Unless you want to empower a melee creep.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 25 2013 20:51 GMT
#49124
Dunno, you could buy Bfury on the bear right? :D

Of course, with the bear you always want to attack your primary target (for rooting purposes) so cleave (especially stacking cleave) isn't too relevant.
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Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 20:55:51
March 25 2013 20:53 GMT
#49125
On March 26 2013 05:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
Dunno, you could buy Bfury on the bear right? :D

Of course, with the bear you always want to attack your primary target (for rooting purposes) so cleave (especially stacking cleave) isn't too relevant.


Maelstrom, Daedalus, Battefury stack bear needs to become a thing.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 25 2013 20:56 GMT
#49126
The interesting thing is that Normal-typed damage actually does 150% damage to Medium armor and 125% damage to Heavy armor, so you'd get more cleave damage hitting things with those armor types (and less hitting heroes since Normal-type damage does 75% damage to heroes).

As an aside this actually means the Spirit Bear does bonus damage to Roshan since he has Heavy armor.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
March 25 2013 21:05 GMT
#49127
It also means he deals more damage than heroes to towers and other buildings, even if you ignore Demolish.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 25 2013 21:08 GMT
#49128
On March 26 2013 06:05 SKC wrote:
It also means he deals more damage than heroes to towers and other buildings, even if you ignore Demolish.


Plz don't ignore demolish

But yeah I know what you are saying.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
March 25 2013 21:41 GMT
#49129
On March 26 2013 05:01 Kipsate wrote:
Old Kunkka build was mass battle furies.

Still the best build.
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Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 21:43:12
March 25 2013 21:41 GMT
#49130
Dear commentators of Dota. They are not trents. They are tree-aunts.

"The name "treant" comes from combining "tree" and "giant," and is usually pronounced /|tree-ant/."

EDIT: While we're on the subject, aegis is a real word, pronounced ee-jiss.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
March 25 2013 21:47 GMT
#49131
For these, as for so many other malapropisms and mispronunciations, I blame Tobi.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8278 Posts
March 25 2013 21:51 GMT
#49132
On March 26 2013 06:41 Shai wrote:
Dear commentators of Dota. They are not trents. They are tree-aunts.

"The name "treant" comes from combining "tree" and "giant," and is usually pronounced /|tree-ant/."

EDIT: While we're on the subject, aegis is a real word, pronounced ee-jiss.


Someone should put in real "tree aunts" in the game :D
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 22:19:37
March 25 2013 22:16 GMT
#49133
On March 26 2013 06:41 Shai wrote:
Dear commentators of Dota. They are not trents. They are tree-aunts.

"The name "treant" comes from combining "tree" and "giant," and is usually pronounced /|tree-ant/."

EDIT: While we're on the subject, aegis is a real word, pronounced ee-jiss.

in 'merica they are trents. and aegis is Ay Giss

Regardless they are both correctly as diphthongs with people don't handle well. through accents ect ect. so they've slowly lost that over time.
Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
March 25 2013 22:37 GMT
#49134
On March 26 2013 07:16 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 06:41 Shai wrote:
Dear commentators of Dota. They are not trents. They are tree-aunts.

"The name "treant" comes from combining "tree" and "giant," and is usually pronounced /|tree-ant/."

EDIT: While we're on the subject, aegis is a real word, pronounced ee-jiss.

in 'merica they are trents. and aegis is Ay Giss

Regardless they are both correctly as diphthongs with people don't handle well. through accents ect ect. so they've slowly lost that over time.


There's no diphthong in the proper pronunciation of aegis. Sukuchi either, and that was/is butchered by an English native, Tobi.

Tobi has over the years made an effort to correct himself in some ways, but has also stated pretty specifically that he refuses to say anything but "shooky" for Weaver's skill.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
March 25 2013 22:40 GMT
#49135
If valve implemented an okay-to-leave feature after fountain was slain, could we have fountain killing back?
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
March 25 2013 22:40 GMT
#49136
I wish casters would stop pronouncing Mekansm like mechanism.

On March 26 2013 06:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
For these, as for so many other malapropisms and mispronunciations, I blame Tobi.

Tobi trying to pronounce Shukuchi is kinda funny.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 22:47:17
March 25 2013 22:47 GMT
#49137
On March 26 2013 07:40 maru~ wrote:
I wish casters would stop pronouncing Mekansm like mechanism.

Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 06:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
For these, as for so many other malapropisms and mispronunciations, I blame Tobi.

Tobi trying to pronounce Shukuchi is kinda funny.

I don't get what's wrong with mechanism, it seems pretty clear that Mekansm is some sort of weird short-hand form of the word mechanism, meaning that it can be pronounced that way. (I pronounce it mech-ahn-shm but I don't see the problem with other ways of saying).

My favorite one is geminate attack
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
March 25 2013 22:49 GMT
#49138
On March 26 2013 07:37 Shai wrote:

There's no diphthong in the proper pronunciation of aegis. Sukuchi either, and that was/is butchered by an English native, Tobi.

Tobi has over the years made an effort to correct himself in some ways, but has also stated pretty specifically that he refuses to say anything but "shooky" for Weaver's skill.

It depends on how its read, it got removed, but the original word had it
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 22:50:53
March 25 2013 22:50 GMT
#49139
On March 26 2013 07:47 Nevuk wrote:
I don't get what's wrong with mechanism, it seems pretty clear that Mekansm is some sort of weird short-hand form of the word mechanism, meaning that it can be pronounced that way. (I pronounce it mech-ahn-shm but I don't see the problem with other ways of saying).

Well if he wanted it to be pronounced like "mechanism" he would probably have named the item in a way that was more phonetically similar to "mechanism".

On March 26 2013 07:47 Nevuk wrote:
My favorite one is geminate attack

It's a pet peeve of mine how many people read it as germinate attack when germinate is a verb and makes no sense as an adjective (or in the context of what the skill does, for that matter).
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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 23:06:14
March 25 2013 22:59 GMT
#49140
I also thought it was weird that mekansm was pronounced mechanism... BUT I was playing Lich one day and he pronounces it mechanism. So does Enigma (and others). So either mechanism is the Valve official pronunciation or the voice actors fucked up.

Check it out:

http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Lich_responses
http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Enigma_responses

edit:

So does every other hero who has a mekansm voice effect
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