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On April 29 2014 08:18 Shaella wrote:omg slightly less damage early ohnoes
Wasn't old icepath 100 damage @ rank 1, had damage scaling in addition to stun duration scaling, AND could be click-cast on a target to basically guarantee it didn't miss?
And macropyre's damage is awful. If it had some lingering "You're still on fire for 2s after you leave the area" dot it might not be just terrible, but as-is a rank 4 dual breath is going to do more damage than rank 1 or 2 macropyre a majority of the time for just over 1/2 the manacost and a fraction of the cooldown.
Macropyre should get a rework so it's like firefly you can cast on an enemy, minus the flying unit properties obv.
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On April 29 2014 09:26 Staboteur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 08:18 Shaella wrote:On April 29 2014 07:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
That was old icepath omg slightly less damage early ohnoes Wasn't old icepath 100 damage @ rank 1, had damage scaling in addition to stun duration scaling, AND could be click-cast on a target to basically guarantee it didn't miss? And macropyre's damage is awful. If it had some lingering "You're still on fire for 2s after you leave the area" dot it might not be just terrible, but as-is a rank 4 dual breath is going to do more damage than rank 1 or 2 macropyre a majority of the time for just over 1/2 the manacost and a fraction of the cooldown. Macropyre should get a rework so it's like firefly you can cast on an enemy, minus the flying unit properties obv.
Went from 100 flat damage to 25+25*lvl. Then went to 50 flat.
Ice Path is still one of the best non-ulti AoE stuns. Especially after Concoction and Impale nerfs.
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Jakiros main "Problem" is that he just doesn't feel good to play.
He casts and turns like friggin supplytrain and non of his spells has this immediate "oommmpf"... Even Venomancers DMG "feels" more direct.
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I kinda like Jakiro and hes one of my most played supports. My take on Jakiro is that hes just never better than other alternatives. His skills are all good but none of them stands out and you need to level all of them. Breath is your standard nuke which would be the go-to max for most heroes. Ice path is very meh early on since its quite a short stun with barely any damage, yet you want points into it for those value 2-3 man paths come team fight stage. Liquid fire is really good as free lane harassment and he can turn into a mini Pugna if you put several points into it. But then you pretty much do nothing else than push past laning.
So in the end you can be a solid damage dealer (skill Q + E), but then you have to skip on ice path. Or you can be a solid team fighter (skill W + Q), but then you skip on liquid fire for push and lane harassment or overall lane presence. Or you can be a solid pusher and lane harasser (skill E + whatever) but then you pretty much do nothing else past laning. On top of that macropyre is quite meh, it needed to be wider, not longer.
I'd really like to see Jakiro get possible "value points" in either Ice path or liquid fire. Make either of the skills better at lvl 1 and with much less scaling (same at lvl 4) so you can comfortably go 4-1-4 or 4-4-1. Right now it feels you need all your skills to be "complete", and thats not a good thing for a support.
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On April 29 2014 07:36 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 07:30 Erasme wrote:On April 29 2014 06:27 Shaella wrote:
Jakiro is actually really good, and you're all just mega bad.
Like every ability on that hero is amazing except for Macro.. And macro is insane with aghs now, holy shit clearly enlighten us on how a hero thats so clunky he cant place any of his spells without someone else is really good also stop the theory crafting unless you're actually decent since you don't have a clear idea on how the game is played at pro level because Ice path is a really goddamn good spell, and his Q and liquid fire keep getting better I'm sure i'm not the only one that remembers fogged+universe vaccum icepath combos allday with old dig Like, he pushes well, and there's a lot of heroes that set up ice paths well. Like yeah its a hard to use stun, but its very powerful in teamfights, just like the rest of his kit.
soo jakiro is only decent combined with ds like any aoe hero ? what a hero everyone pack your bag this is it 100% ban pick at ti4
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On April 29 2014 06:39 FinestHour wrote:
do you even realize that your examples of the hero being good are games with random b level pros
do you even realise that this makes him viable in any public game <5,6k?
jakiro still is a great hero, he just dosent fit in the current meta.
you guys tend to forget that there are lots of heros that arent played in competetive dota because they simply arent the flavour of the pros.
you guys think: "what the pros play is viable, everything else is not."
thats such bullshit.
"omni isnt viable". thats right for pro games. but the only reason why he isnt viable, is the fact, that he is melee.
and due to this fact, you can not get him through the laningphase against good opponents.
but i really have to ask you the following: do your opponents in publics know how to punish a well played omni?
i. honstetly. dont. think. so.
i mean with this patch you will rape any AM with a BS also :D
he cant blink anymore ...for how long... 8 seconds? :D
you guys definetly have to pointout about which dota 2 games you talk. public, or high level competetive play,
because "viable" means noithing in pubs.
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so what item to get on lina now; veil, aghs or eblade?
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trust me, you don't want to bloodrage an am unless you're 3vs1
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On April 29 2014 18:04 Erasme wrote:
trust me, you don't want to bloodrage an am unless you're 3vs1
so how do you gank in your games? always 1on1 ganks?
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solokill never happens at all at every level 
what kind of question is that ? dont bloodrage the am unless you're stupidly ahead or you're 3
it's simple
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On April 29 2014 18:03 NeoRussia wrote:
so what item to get on lina now; veil, aghs or eblade?
Blink or Forcestaff...
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On April 29 2014 18:03 NeoRussia wrote:
so what item to get on lina now; veil, aghs or eblade?
+ Show Spoiler +Repick into Leshrac if you want to support.
Semi-carry route as normal, but consider Aghs if they get BKB.
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On April 29 2014 18:24 Erasme wrote:solokill never happens at all at every level what kind of question is that ? dont bloodrage the am unless you're stupidly ahead or you're 3 it's simple
It's been a long time I've seen a BS getting a solokill on a full life hero but he's still strong at my level. But some heroes can solokill in the game, i don't know why you're denying it.
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He's saying a smart AM will likely beat a seeker 1v1 under the buff effects of bloodrage. I don't see the problem in Erasme stressing that you don't want to be alone.
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I'm pretty sure that Bloodseeker with just Blademail+Yasha beats the hell out of Manta+BF AM with lvl 1 Bloodrage and 0 charges of Thirst
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On April 30 2014 00:52 Noya wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Bloodseeker with just Blademail+Yasha beats the hell out of Manta+BF AM with lvl 1 Bloodrage and 0 charges of Thirst
Yeah he beats the hell out of that TP scroll
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On April 29 2014 20:05 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 18:24 Erasme wrote:solokill never happens at all at every level what kind of question is that ? dont bloodrage the am unless you're stupidly ahead or you're 3 it's simple It's been a long time I've seen a BS getting a solokill on a full life hero but he's still strong at my level. But some heroes can solokill in the game, i don't know why you're denying it.
your sarcasm detector is probably broken.
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On April 30 2014 00:54 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 00:52 Noya wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Bloodseeker with just Blademail+Yasha beats the hell out of Manta+BF AM with lvl 1 Bloodrage and 0 charges of Thirst Yeah he beats the hell out of that TP scroll
TP scroll better than blood rage.
Also, never blood rage a drow ranger. Just eat her stupid little silence and like it. You don't want to multiply her damage, it's a bad scene.
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On April 29 2014 16:53 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 07:36 Shaella wrote:On April 29 2014 07:30 Erasme wrote:On April 29 2014 06:27 Shaella wrote:
Jakiro is actually really good, and you're all just mega bad.
Like every ability on that hero is amazing except for Macro.. And macro is insane with aghs now, holy shit clearly enlighten us on how a hero thats so clunky he cant place any of his spells without someone else is really good also stop the theory crafting unless you're actually decent since you don't have a clear idea on how the game is played at pro level because Ice path is a really goddamn good spell, and his Q and liquid fire keep getting better I'm sure i'm not the only one that remembers fogged+universe vaccum icepath combos allday with old dig Like, he pushes well, and there's a lot of heroes that set up ice paths well. Like yeah its a hard to use stun, but its very powerful in teamfights, just like the rest of his kit. soo jakiro is only decent combined with ds like any aoe hero ? what a hero everyone pack your bag this is it 100% ban pick at ti4
yeah i know teamwork is hard
I mean, how dare a hero want to be good in a teamgame.
At team things.
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