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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
Like every ability on that hero is amazing except for Macro.. And macro is insane with aghs now, holy shit | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On April 29 2014 05:59 Sn0_Man wrote: Cosmic ur theorycrafting is just mega-questionable  Probably but I'm much better at it than before. And I'm perfectly willing to admit when I'm wrong. But I've seen the concept work out in some professional matches so there's hope. On April 29 2014 06:10 FinestHour wrote: his own arguments arent even good if u try to break towers at 6 like he says when comparing to dk, u have 1 point breath and path cuz u invested into liquid fire it sounds nice but in reality ur gonna get dumped on then he says jakiro will win lanes with liquid fire spam but again investing that many points makes him do absolutely nothing else and no competent player will ever lose lane he does not win lane, hes slow, his animations are god awful and his scaling is still awful the aghs upgrade is also completely contradictory to allow him a farming role like sno man said You're right. How dare I question conventional wisdom. I should just pretend AA is unviable due to his lack of reliable stun and Naga can't carry anymore. That's what people were saying pre-6.80 so they must've been right. Then I wonder how Aloha feels, getting crushed by Ryze's Jakiro as Ember Spirit in Starladder. But maybe you're just better than him. I'm sure you would've totally won the lane. He doesn't need to do anything else. Watch Rox.Kis vs MMC in Fragbite Masters. Rox.Kis runs a goofy Jakiro/DS/Tree trilane and tower-dives the offlaner at level 1 with only two creeps. And they can do that because of level 1 Fire. It's the most underrated spell in the game. On April 29 2014 06:16 Staboteur wrote: Whenever I play Jakiro, I cast ice path. When I cast Ice path, whether it hits half their team or not, I think "God this spell is fucking terrible" Then I go "Hmm. Maybe I should get dual breath instead? At least it does -almost- 100 damage at level 1, and a 30% slow for 5s is more CC than a fucking 1 second stun" But then I realize that an 80 damage nuke and a 30% 5s slow is also bad, and the slow doesn't scale with levels, Then i wonder if Jakiro abused me in a past life, or if I just hate the hero because everything except Liquid Fire and his base stats seem awful. They're awful. Hence why the 1-1-4 build has gained popularity. It's the best use of his skill points early on. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On April 29 2014 06:35 Sn0_Man wrote: I mean I've been carried by Aui's mid jakiro for the lulz and its hilarious and has some upside but its not even close to viable. He's not a great mid in general and he never will be. But it works sometimes and honestly that's all that matters. That's all I was ever arguing too. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
Give aghs upgrade a 30% slow that goes through bkb. then we are getting somewhere. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
RIP IceWall T_T | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 29 2014 06:51 Sn0_Man wrote: Well, when Ice Wall was actually broken as fuck the hero was good. RIP IceWall T_T Ice Wall is broken as fuck. Unfortunatelly Ice Path sucks | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 29 2014 06:52 SKC wrote: Ice Wall is broken as fuck. Unfortunatelly Ice Path sucks oh yeah that. well, icewall sucks too tho. I meant icepath obv. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34490 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Wish it was like DS wall, then it'd be useable (aka wayyyy too good but I suck with voker so w/e) | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On April 29 2014 06:49 hacklebeast wrote: I wouldn't skill macro pyre before lvl 13 even if it came with the aghs upgrade built in. In effect it forces the team to move, and does 1 second's worth of damage. It's like a shitty version of cold feet that can hit more than one person. There is a reason that the only time jak is picked is when ds/mag are imbalanced as hell. Give aghs upgrade a 30% slow that goes through bkb. then we are getting somewhere. its area denial Its area denial is amazing right now, nothing else in the game does htat much. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On April 29 2014 06:56 Firebolt145 wrote: Ice Wall is actually a stupidly strong spell if you can place it well. it aint no deafening blast tho | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
On April 29 2014 06:56 Firebolt145 wrote: Ice Wall is actually a stupidly strong spell if you can place it well. Idk, I would almost always have the more damage, longer stun, better cast time of inpale/earth spike compared to the extra range and better cooldown. It's kind of like saying ta is the strongest carry in the game because she gets kunkka cleave on every hit. Yea, sure, it would be nice if it worked like that, but it's unrealistic to expect it to happen with any kind of regularity. Edit: well fuck. I can't tell which spell we are talking about anymore. The jakiro one is bad. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On April 29 2014 06:39 FinestHour wrote: do you even realize that your examples of the hero being good are games with random b level pros How many people here are better than random B level pros? I remember when VP ran support AA and carry WK before they were considered viable in those roles. They were dismissed as hipsters using goofy strategies that only worked against bad teams. Except they managed to pull it off against some solid teams like Na'Vi. People said Meracle could only make carry Naga work in pubs and never in a serious match; even less would've argued Naga was a viable mid hero with bottle crowing. Popular opinion in 6.79 was that Aghs was trash on Void and now people say it's a viable strategy thanks to Burning. The funny thing is it's worse on Void now than it was back then and Burning always went Aghs rush on the hero. | ||
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