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This conversation is word for word. I don't claim to be some kind of genius in this conversation, but omgwtfbbq11 was just fucking stupid. Sorry this is in general, move if you want.
You have just entered room "SC VS WC3."
ZildjianAVC has entered the room.
omgwtfbbq11 has entered the room.
GwingGoku01MMg: yoyo
omgwtfbbq11: omg
GwingGoku01MMg: WARCRAFT 3 SUCKS
ZildjianAVC: lol
ZildjianAVC: wtf
omgwtfbbq11: i have to debate this now
omgwtfbbq11: ...
ZildjianAVC: yes
GwingGoku01MMg: yes
omgwtfbbq11: wc3 = pwnz0r i win
GwingGoku01MMg: lol
GwingGoku01MMg: bullshit
ZildjianAVC: lol
omgwtfbbq11: plus if you have DBZ in your SN you automatically lose
omgwtfbbq11: cause its the worst show ever made
ZildjianAVC: haha
ZildjianAVC: mike i didn't know u watched that
GwingGoku01MMg: dragon ball z is the shit
GwingGoku01MMg: so shut up
omgwtfbbq11: ...
ZildjianAVC: ...
omgwtfbbq11: dbz is shit, not the shit
ZildjianAVC: okay lets talk about sc
omgwtfbbq11: umm
omgwtfbbq11: crappy graphics
omgwtfbbq11: no clan support
GwingGoku01MMg: lol
GwingGoku01MMg: they are just old
omgwtfbbq11: forced 640x480 bnet
GwingGoku01MMg: they still look fucking great
omgwtfbbq11: they look decent, ill give you that
GwingGoku01MMg: who needs clan support just bullshit to go through
ZildjianAVC: yeah
omgwtfbbq11: shitty custom games
GwingGoku01MMg: shitty custom games?
omgwtfbbq11: clans are good
GwingGoku01MMg: but we don't need "clan support"
omgwtfbbq11: ...
omgwtfbbq11: all macro no micro
omgwtfbbq11: shitty strategies
omgwtfbbq11: sc = kiddy play
GwingGoku01MMg: there is more micro
GwingGoku01MMg: in starcraft
ZildjianAVC: there is micro dude
GwingGoku01MMg: than warcraft
omgwtfbbq11: HAHAH BS
ZildjianAVC: dude
omgwtfbbq11: they made wc3 a micro game
ZildjianAVC: we have more units
omgwtfbbq11: on purpouse
GwingGoku01MMg: what micro is there
GwingGoku01MMg: in warcraft 3
GwingGoku01MMg: tell is
GwingGoku01MMg: us*
ZildjianAVC: we have more units to micro
omgwtfbbq11: heroes
omgwtfbbq11: they gave units more hp in wc3 compared to sc
omgwtfbbq11: so you have to micro more
omgwtfbbq11: battles last longer
GwingGoku01MMg: they are more boring
omgwtfbbq11: and heroes = tons of micro
omgwtfbbq11: plus you have to creep while building your base and making units at the same time
GwingGoku01MMg: no
GwingGoku01MMg: no
GwingGoku01MMg: no
GwingGoku01MMg: no
omgwtfbbq11: and if you play random you gotta be able to play 4 races
omgwtfbbq11: which is more than 3...
GwingGoku01MMg: you have to build
GwingGoku01MMg: and ATTACK
GwingGoku01MMg: not just fucking creep
GwingGoku01MMg: at same time
GwingGoku01MMg: and there are more units and buildings
omgwtfbbq11: ...
GwingGoku01MMg: to manage
GwingGoku01MMg: and there is just simply more micro
omgwtfbbq11: its all macro
omgwtfbbq11: no there isnt
omgwtfbbq11: you have to tell piercing to target heavy armor
GwingGoku01MMg: LOL
omgwtfbbq11: and figure out damage types
GwingGoku01MMg: LOL
omgwtfbbq11: and all kinds of stuff
omgwtfbbq11: in wc3
GwingGoku01MMg: you have to do that in sc too
omgwtfbbq11: you have to tell which unit to attack which enemy
omgwtfbbq11: and cast spells
GwingGoku01MMg: no shit
omgwtfbbq11: which there is a lot more
GwingGoku01MMg: you do in sc too
GwingGoku01MMg: no there isn't more
GwingGoku01MMg: in tvz
GwingGoku01MMg: you could have up to 5+ science vessels
GwingGoku01MMg: and each one is more micro
GwingGoku01MMg: than a hero
GwingGoku01MMg: which you can only have 3 of
omgwtfbbq11: yea that's one of humans 2 crappy casters
GwingGoku01MMg: ?
omgwtfbbq11: terrans
omgwtfbbq11: aagh
omgwtfbbq11: i'm not arguing
GwingGoku01MMg: terran spell casters
omgwtfbbq11: i've played both games a long time
omgwtfbbq11: and wc3 is better
GwingGoku01MMg: kick ass
omgwtfbbq11: done
GwingGoku01MMg: lol
GwingGoku01MMg: why?
GwingGoku01MMg: you haven't said a reason
omgwtfbbq11: it's harder
GwingGoku01MMg: which is right yet
omgwtfbbq11: how's that
omgwtfbbq11: and all games are ladder
GwingGoku01MMg: sc is way fucking harder
omgwtfbbq11: on wc3 bnet
GwingGoku01MMg: than sc3
GwingGoku01MMg: sc3*
omgwtfbbq11: ...
GwingGoku01MMg: ladder is all hackers
GwingGoku01MMg: who gives a shit
omgwtfbbq11: not on wc3
GwingGoku01MMg: LOL
GwingGoku01MMg: blizzard is banning hackers
GwingGoku01MMg: all the time
GwingGoku01MMg: and more come
omgwtfbbq11: cause every game is a ladder
GwingGoku01MMg: yes
omgwtfbbq11: so there's rarely hackers
GwingGoku01MMg: so you record
omgwtfbbq11: d00d
omgwtfbbq11: wc3 is better
GwingGoku01MMg: ?
omgwtfbbq11: end of story
GwingGoku01MMg: no it isn't
omgwtfbbq11 has left the room.
GwingGoku01MMg: lol
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
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i wish i have as much time as him -_-
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but if there are more life for units then this game was meant for slow people who can not make decisive movements
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Sounds like the topic i Started about 2 months ago and i Agree with u somewhat alot of people who play war3 are stupid not all
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On August 18 2003 04:29 jngngshk321 wrote:
but if there are more life for units then this game was meant for slow people who can not make decisive movements
Or it was meant to make battles last longer to put more emphasis on micro and less emphasis on base management, i.e., it was meant to be <b>DIFFERENT</b> from StarCraft.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On August 18 2003 04:38 Orlandu wrote: Show nested quote +On August 18 2003 04:29 jngngshk321 wrote:
but if there are more life for units then this game was meant for slow people who can not make decisive movements Or it was meant to make battles last longer to put more emphasis on micro and less emphasis on base management, i.e., it was meant to be <b>DIFFERENT</b> from StarCraft.
and by different you mean dumbed down and slower
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I don't see how you can make fun of the other guy; you sound equally stupid in that convo :[
I like SC better overall since it's pretty much the standard by which all RTS is set to now.. But the community isn't as fresh so it's not nearly as fun to play as it used to..
War3 has a far superior B.net interface  If BW had clan management, auto matchmaking, automated tournaments, etc; it would probably be worth playing all over again just for that (I mean War3 pubbing vs BW pubbing--not even close..)
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War3 is technically a better game overall than sc. i just can't figure out why its so goddamn fucking boring! i mean, i have to practically FORCE myself to play one game (just to show my loyalty to blizz).
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On August 18 2003 04:52 portos wrote: War3 is technically a better game overall than sc. i just can't figure out why its so goddamn fucking boring! i mean, i have to practically FORCE myself to play one game (just to show my loyalty to blizz).
wtf?
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On August 18 2003 04:39 [pG]Rekrul wrote: Show nested quote +On August 18 2003 04:38 Orlandu wrote: On August 18 2003 04:29 jngngshk321 wrote:
but if there are more life for units then this game was meant for slow people who can not make decisive movements Or it was meant to make battles last longer to put more emphasis on micro and less emphasis on base management, i.e., it was meant to be <b>DIFFERENT</b> from StarCraft. and by different you mean dumbed down and slower
I'd strongly challenge the definition of dumbed and slower used in common reference to War3. Just cause the games different doesn't mean it's a weaker version of SC. It's easy to say that, but take a few months to learn the game, you'll change your attitude.
Not saying it's better than SC, that's a common misconception that many people like YOU tend to do. You just can't seem to understand that different does not equal worse, i.e., dumbed/slower. Technically speaking it may be dumbed and slower in reference to StarCraft, but the goals are far different and what may be perceived to a hardcore SC junkie as yourself as dumbed and slower may actually in reality be the product of a goal quite different from SC.
Not too hard to understand for a mastermind such as yourself, is it?
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Your points that you made in that argument were trash. Based on that debate i just read, you got owned.. and he made wc3 seem better. :[
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United States4471 Posts
No one wins in arguments like that, it's like listening to two preschoolers argue whether "poo-poo" is smellier than "ka-ka". Please grow up and find better ways to spend your time.
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Actually, you sound more stupid in that debate to me. I would have to say that W3 is more micro-intense with the whole abilities, items, spells, transports, summons, etc. Take for example if you are NE and going against Orc w/ casters and Tauren. You gotta use your heroes to entangle, make trees, heal, run around, etc. You also gotta be using every one of your druids of the talon to cast tornado on all the tauren while all at the same time focus firing and running the weakest to the back. And Orlandu is absolutely correct. Many of you "hard-core" sc players are blinded by your ignorance of WC3. It's a much different game, and in MY mind, just as fun.
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Diffrent games, diffrent opinions.
In my opinion SC>WC3
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On August 18 2003 05:03 Orlandu wrote: Show nested quote +On August 18 2003 04:39 [pG]Rekrul wrote: On August 18 2003 04:38 Orlandu wrote: On August 18 2003 04:29 jngngshk321 wrote:
but if there are more life for units then this game was meant for slow people who can not make decisive movements Or it was meant to make battles last longer to put more emphasis on micro and less emphasis on base management, i.e., it was meant to be <b>DIFFERENT</b> from StarCraft. and by different you mean dumbed down and slower I'd strongly challenge the definition of dumbed and slower used in common reference to War3. Just cause the games different doesn't mean it's a weaker version of SC. It's easy to say that, but take a few months to learn the game, you'll change your attitude. Not saying it's better than SC, that's a common misconception that many people like YOU tend to do. You just can't seem to understand that different does not equal worse, i.e., dumbed/slower. Technically speaking it may be dumbed and slower in reference to StarCraft, but the goals are far different and what may be perceived to a hardcore SC junkie as yourself as dumbed and slower may actually in reality be the product of a goal quite different from SC. Not too hard to understand for a mastermind such as yourself, is it?
The mastermind is perplexed by this "different goal."
The mastermind thinks this goal is to make lots of money off a dumbed down slow game with good graphics.
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On August 18 2003 06:15 Solar(sphere) wrote:Actually, you sound more stupid in that debate to me. I would have to say that W3 is more micro-intense with the whole abilities, items, spells, transports, summons, etc. Take for example if you are NE and going against Orc w/ casters and Tauren. You gotta use your heroes to entangle, make trees, heal, run around, etc. You also gotta be using every one of your druids of the talon to cast tornado on all the tauren while all at the same time focus firing and running the weakest to the back.
Like casting cyclone is anywhere as difficult as storming... simply being able to cast a single cyclone out of a group of 12 talons by hitting C makes it 100x easier
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Let's not try and generalize all warcraft 3 players like that again okay? -_-;;
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MURICA15980 Posts
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MURICA15980 Posts
On August 18 2003 04:52 portos wrote: War3 is technically a better game overall than sc. i just can't figure out why its so goddamn fucking boring! i mean, i have to practically FORCE myself to play one game (just to show my loyalty to blizz).
you support them by buying there game, and not playing on b.net
b.net = free so that means more people = more money to upkeep servers.
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Thats rediculous, microing in war3 is not "intense" at all. The entire game you're controlling one or 2 groups of units on one screen. Speed isn't a huge issue because units have more hp. Alot more room for error. This also makes the overall game slower. You can't say that creeping is micro cuz you're playing the f'in ai. What really gets me about war3 though is the luck factor. Items can win you the game for christ sake. Sure you can click on his hero to see what he's carrying, but it's just the idea of it that's gay. Also, sometimes when u're about to kill his hero it lvls up and gets more hp which really sux lemme tell u. I understand it is a different game but imo it isn't as fun therefore not as good. You need to newb stomp for weeks till you get a high level and some decent competition.
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MURICA15980 Posts
leg,
a random bgh player from sc would agree that starcraft has no micro and all macro but just finds microing boring and macroing more fun.
So there wouldn't be any arugement, just opinions about which is funner.
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I played war3 for about 7 months... the micro'ing and macro'ing is much easier since the game is slower, and less units. You just rally all your buildings to your hero and there goes your macro.. The micro isnt as hard seeing as how they have auto casting on alot of them... and if u know how to control that effectively that takes care of that, and u are left with just controlling your hero and moving your injured units to the back. I havent played that game in a while though, so i kinda forgot alot about it.. its fun at first but once the novelty of a 3d, new, different game wears off and you are left basing your fun factor on how much competition there is... thats where the game comes up shorter than a chinaman's penis.. and u get bored to death.
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The games system is lazy, rally workers to the resources never have to even click one to the point again. You can rally all barracks at once, and click the hotkey for GHOUL or what not once and it builds it at all 3 lol(I think thats how I remember it). Not to mention Auto casting, and army sizes are much smaller. (Just echoing the "SC" side)
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
I think war3 has turned out to be a really cool game. Perhaps it is indeed a bit slower, but it has turned out to be a full game, which a LOT of people enjoy. Even though I play wc3, I'd say BW > WC3. But it's about what gives you most fun, and right now wc3 does, so I play it.
I also wonder about the aspect of replays. In BW replays came a whole lot later, and it's one of the major reasons why it's still so big. In wc3 it came immediatly, and I think that was a bad idea. Ofcourse the public cried for replays, but I still think that bnet should have stood their ground.
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my favorite warcraft 3 game is "pokemon world" the 1:1 is boring and i got called newbie for making troll elfs
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Wow you had to post this stupid, childish and so on , conversation to point what ? that you think some guy is fucking stupid. Gratz moron, there are people like him and you everywhere but you had to keep it to war3 lolol. Grow up pls.
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On August 17 2005 11:16 game slayer wrote:
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what the fuck sort of 2 year bump is that
WHY
edit: and i agree with most of the sensible people on this "debate".... i prefer SC > wc3 but some go a little too far in hating wc3 especially if they've never tried it
it was an interesting concept that replays should be delayed for new games i'll think about that some more before forming an opinion...
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wow what kind of bump was that rofl
edit: it was his 1st post too lol
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Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
Oh shit, I was actually reading this too... goddamn, how do the newbies always manage to do that...
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I thought this was a new(er) topic that I some how missed. I didn't even realise the dates until the comment about the bump. Anyway I played a game about a month or two ago(it was my 3rd game) against someone who had 30+ wins and a handful of losses. I just built the strongest troops, and crushed him. Before the game he was saying how much he was going to rape me. It was quite sad. It was also the last game I played(uninstalled it about a week ago), I found it boring and it blows on my computer.
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Belgium6771 Posts
Haha didnt notice it either.
Dont think how we should debate on this anymore though <<
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I didnt read everything u ppl said, but I have seen some of the best war3 in europe players play offline and the micro battles are freaking intensive, and that the units have much more hp is kinda tt too, since the units does more damage aswell. And you have to pick siege vs light armor and stuff like that, which is a hell of a job. running around with the hero doing spells is also difficult. IMO it's impossible to say that game a is better than game b cuz they are so different, both in graphics and gameplay. It's more difficult to use some spells in bw which makes the game more fun Storms vs Cyclon for an example, but the B.net system that war3 has is just in another league as BW.
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You probably have more "micro" to do with your army in wc but hell that's all you have to do 
I like having to control map in BW
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omg sc > war3.. the better in wc3 is dota
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*Shrug* I won't say wc3 players are stupid (HAve one in my class that is very nice) but my experiences with them online has benn well.. werid.
Funy incident: A couple of months ago 2 random people came into our clan channel and started talking major crap. I said something like "You play wc3 right?" (Childish I know=P) The answer was "Just because you cannot afford a better comp etc etc"
Then I noticed the wc3 icon beside their names, which made me lol. They stayed around for a long time though 
then all the times in wc3 random games where you are greeted with "fucking motherfucker!" =P
Though random bm people of course exist in bw too.
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