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Give or take. You do the math.
I stopped playing in late heart of the swarm because my wrists gave out on me, and I never enjoyed anything about LotV design that I saw coming. It was clear that blizzard was trying to go all in on deforming the actual game into an 'esports audience magnetizing action packed' moba-fication of the game I actually enjoyed.
So no surprise that I hate basically everything that LotV is.
But what's really ruining my willingness to keep putting time into relearning the game from here, is the fact that the entire F'd up thing is being played on..
Unfathomably bad maps. I literally cannot believe that the standard of mapmaking has collapsed, to my mind, entirely. All of the most important cornerstones and design elements that were always respected by legitimate mapmakers, working in accordance with pros and attuned to real balance.. are just gone.
As a zerg, it genuinely seems as though Terrans and Protosses truly, automatically get third bases now. And simultaneously, the Zerg has to struggle immensely to maybe hold their third.
That's a complete and blatant inversion of the balance of the game at the racial level, in a way that was true back then and would be true now, regardless of the many LotV changes.
It seems like people who understand the truth of this game in its current state have long since quit, and that many have commented on these same things. I guess I just wanted to vent, because for me, coming from a once beautiful past, this future is so much horrific than what I imagined for the game even at the launch of LotV.
How embarrassing is it that brood war honestly trounces this game in terms of support, viewership and balance? I truly hope that starcraft 3 and warcraft 4 are never released, because it's impossible to imagine the people at blizzard doing anything other than the worst job of all time. We spent a decade and some years loving everything blizzard touched, only to watch them destroy everything we loved and grew up on.
Heinous. And then David Kim went to Battle Aces and ruined their game with unmistakably bad David Kim design moves. Their game was popping before he imported the equivalent of the mothership to it. Mothership on roids. Dude really, truly hates it when people are allowed to attack each other. I was so glad to see their VCs pull money and shut it down. Homeboy is the ultimate menace.
RIP the RTS genre, aside from brood war, lol
EDIT: there's also a wildly delusional ongoing fanbase who genuinely believe that through players like serral, reynor and clem, foreigners finally matched the level of Koreans and or transcended the skill of past foreigner greats. I have already deeply explored how dynamically bogus and fantastical that is. It seems like the only people still left just, don't even understand what actually happened to this game. They're on a never ending voyage through alt reality. It's insane. I blame analytically weak casters and diamond players, specifically, for allowing this hallucination to persist.
Clem is definitely two tiers down from MMA on the MMA front, and definitely doesn't register as a korean macro terran level talent, either. And Serral is for sure not better than prime Snute, Stephano or Nerchio. Maybe even footing? But honestly I don't even see the even footing w/ the eye test. Let alone the Koreans who still farmed those guys.
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Guess you'll just have to go take another 10 year hiatus then. Maybe you'll like it better after another decade. 10 years is a long time, though, so better get a jump on it.
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The whole text feels like someone came by just to spit his venom out. Purely driven by bitterness rather than reasoning.
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Wow what an elaborate shitpost. Should have been a blog. 1/5
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Sorry about your ladder loss little bro.
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Prime candidate for topic deletion.
It was better before is worse than a microwaved sandwich.
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lol
I've been playing since Beta, and it sounds like you're just not very good at this game!
I think LotV is a huge step from HotS in terms of gameplay and balance, though I can also understand the people who preferred the more static and straightforward and rock-paper-scissors nature of the gameplay prior to LotV. No knocks to them.
I have missed this kind of shitposter, though, who uses phrases like "the most important cornerstones and design elements" and declares that they have "deeply explored" a topic they haven't actually discussed. there were years where this forum was flush with this kind of people who would come onto TL dot net to complain about balance and "design" and how SC2 wasn't BW every time they lost a ladder game. nostalgic.
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On October 16 2025 20:28 Captain Peabody wrote:
lol
I've been playing since Beta, and it sounds like you're just not very good at this game!
I think LotV is a huge step from HotS in terms of gameplay and balance, though I can also understand the people who preferred the more static and straightforward and rock-paper-scissors nature of the gameplay prior to LotV. No knocks to them.
I have missed this kind of shitposter, though, who uses phrases like "the most important cornerstones and design elements" and declares that they have "deeply explored" a topic they haven't actually discussed. there were years where this forum was flush with this kind of people who would come onto TL dot net to complain about balance and "design" and how SC2 wasn't BW every time they lost a ladder game. nostalgic.
LotV is a huge step from HotS.
A huge step backwards!
OP has gone way over the top with their phrasing/criticism though.
The game is still very fun despite its obvious flaws and inferiority to previous expansions.
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OP is over the top but...
I tend to watch big tournament finals on youtube if they show up and honestly... The state of the game is just horrific. Maybe it's balanced, i couldn't tell, what I know is that its not playing out like anything I would ever want in an RTS.
When people make the Fighting Game <--> RTS comparison, SC2 is very obviously what they talk about.
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I'd recommend actually watching a game from 10 years ago or longer and then watching Serral play Clem.
I think you're going to have a pretty hard time saying it was a higher skill level. To be honest it's a laughable opinion.
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OP claim is over the top maybe bc he is raging or just a troll
MMA better than Clem? Prime snute over Serral? lol
The skill back then we so much lower than what we are witnessing today. If you go back even further to wol or hots days. Those games were literally current high diamond games
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sc2 had some good years but yeah compared too bw or aoe2, today, it fucking sucks ass.
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Sorry you didn't like the game, hope you find one you do
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I said it before and I will say it again: Liking BroodWar is not a personality.
(Also, sidenote: Snute is my favorite player ever, as it is the rule that all my favorite RTS players are Norwegian for some reason, but thinking Snue was even remotely on the level of Serral isn't even ignorance anymore, that should honestly register as a disability...)
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Least mentally unstable broodwar player
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Serral much worse than prime snute and stephano and nerchio, yet wins a comical number of titles when the game is unplayably difficult for Zerg. curious
On October 16 2025 12:55 Lumi wrote:
Give or take. You do the math.
I stopped playing in late heart of the swarm because my wrists gave out on me, and I never enjoyed anything about LotV design that I saw coming. It was clear that blizzard was trying to go all in on deforming the actual game into an 'esports audience magnetizing action packed' moba-fication of the game I actually enjoyed.
So no surprise that I hate basically everything that LotV is.
But what's really ruining my willingness to keep putting time into relearning the game from here, is the fact that the entire F'd up thing is being played on..
Unfathomably bad maps. I literally cannot believe that the standard of mapmaking has collapsed, to my mind, entirely. All of the most important cornerstones and design elements that were always respected by legitimate mapmakers, working in accordance with pros and attuned to real balance.. are just gone.
As a zerg, it genuinely seems as though Terrans and Protosses truly, automatically get third bases now. And simultaneously, the Zerg has to struggle immensely to maybe hold their third.
That's a complete and blatant inversion of the balance of the game at the racial level, in a way that was true back then and would be true now, regardless of the many LotV changes.
It seems like people who understand the truth of this game in its current state have long since quit, and that many have commented on these same things. I guess I just wanted to vent, because for me, coming from a once beautiful past, this future is so much horrific than what I imagined for the game even at the launch of LotV.
How embarrassing is it that brood war honestly trounces this game in terms of support, viewership and balance? I truly hope that starcraft 3 and warcraft 4 are never released, because it's impossible to imagine the people at blizzard doing anything other than the worst job of all time. We spent a decade and some years loving everything blizzard touched, only to watch them destroy everything we loved and grew up on.
Heinous. And then David Kim went to Battle Aces and ruined their game with unmistakably bad David Kim design moves. Their game was popping before he imported the equivalent of the mothership to it. Mothership on roids. Dude really, truly hates it when people are allowed to attack each other. I was so glad to see their VCs pull money and shut it down. Homeboy is the ultimate menace.
RIP the RTS genre, aside from brood war, lol
EDIT: there's also a wildly delusional ongoing fanbase who genuinely believe that through players like serral, reynor and clem, foreigners finally matched the level of Koreans and or transcended the skill of past foreigner greats. I have already deeply explored how dynamically bogus and fantastical that is. It seems like the only people still left just, don't even understand what actually happened to this game. They're on a never ending voyage through alt reality. It's insane. I blame analytically weak casters and diamond players, specifically, for allowing this hallucination to persist.
Clem is definitely two tiers down from MMA on the MMA front, and definitely doesn't register as a korean macro terran level talent, either. And Serral is for sure not better than prime Snute, Stephano or Nerchio. Maybe even footing? But honestly I don't even see the even footing w/ the eye test. Let alone the Koreans who still farmed those guys.
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Sup guys just seeing the thread now, didn't think this much potential for replying existed still so my bad.
I'm debating putting time and energy into explaining things, but I'll be honest, all the protest so far would be total childsplay to address. I've already addressed everything that has been shared here so far.
Not only, within my own colossal brain. But while conferring with the super intelligences, the LLMs.
If I produce a wall of overwhelmingly rigorous proof, how many of you can be counted on to moan and avoid it? To be predictably absent, or dismissive, but for a lack of actually having addressed my doom drop into the mains of your sc2 alt reality generating minds?
You think I won't do it? I'LL DO IT. It's already too late. It's only a matter of having the time of day..
EDIT: I changed my mind, I'm feeling more secure and more serious about my time, GG boys you win, undefeated dismissiveness based reasoning and gusto, i was totally underprepared, no re for me, bye
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