EPTOn March 27 2025 06:26 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
That's funny, cuz I argue against a bunch of people in a sc2 echochamber that for months have deluded themselves that EWC is gonna happen 100 percent. I am not sure if you can even call ME biased here.
But if it makes you happy arguing in your safe space while glazing each other nonstop. Guess there is a reason why you posted this thread in the SC2 forum instead of the BW forum to protect muh feelingz.
That's funny, cuz I argue against a bunch of people in a sc2 echochamber that for months have deluded themselves that EWC is gonna happen 100 percent. I am not sure if you can even call ME biased here.
But if it makes you happy arguing in your safe space while glazing each other nonstop. Guess there is a reason why you posted this thread in the SC2 forum instead of the BW forum to protect muh feelingz.
1)I didn't start this thread? In fact, my dude, I even agreed with you on the first page to a degree: It would be super-hard for Serral and Clem to catch up because of the immense difference in playtime. You also touched something completly right, if you are not korean, don't bother with BW, you won't make a living out of it anyway. So not only do both of them have to close a huge experience gap, but they would also need to move to Korea and then would need to learn korean to stream on Afreeca/SOOP/whatever it is called this particular month because god forbid anything in Korea having a logical and consistent name for once...
2)I answered your particular "BW statistics" the last time you got hammered. In detail even. Showing you how much you inflate the viewership and money made in BW, considering you usually project it as "this guy has five viewers on Afreeca, he is a millionaire now". No, no he is not. He is probably much poorer than any SC2 pro in the last year that played on MaNa-level of success.
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If you would just stop glazing and face the truth FOR ONCE, then I wouldnt even be here, I wouldnt fucking care. But I am allergic against delusion.
I lol'd way too hard to that, thanks, needed that today <3
4)During the months-long GOAT debate I went more into detail about the entire SC2-Teamhouse situation and the rise of foreigners. Which is why I try to not go into that argument anymore. But just for you, the short-run:
Yes, the closing of teamhouses had surely an effect, though I think the region-lock was even more important, just because it gave foreigners the ability to develop on their own and make the financial calculation to go pro in SC2 much easier. There is a chance, though pure speculation by me, that Serral might not even go pro without it.
That being said: Teamhouses also inflated the level of skill and are NOT an argument against Clem and Serral. You are essentially saying "the koreans needed the most competitive and professional coaching and the highest level of financial stability on the planet to be better than Clem and Serral". That is...not a good look?
5)To close with a return to my starting point: BW in Korea is essentially like Quake at this point. As long as there is some level of money in it, it will be played by the same guys who played it 20 years ago until they can't move, because there is absolutely no fresh blood in it. If there was, there would be some fluctuation like in any other "healthy" game. Just look how few players stay on top of LoL for example. Faker is the exception, not the rule.
And just to make that clear and you happy: The same will probably be true for SC2 soon aswell. There won't be any new blood, we can be super-happy to even gotten Reynor and especially Clem and MaxPax. As long as there is enough money through PiG-Festivals, Wardi Clashes and what not, a small group of players will keep playing the game (probably) and will make it impossible for any potential new kid to git gud. See BW, Quake, WC3 or AoE 2 for this.
TheViper (aka. AoE 2 GOAT) once said before the release of AoE 4, that it is technically super-easy to become one of the best in Age of Empires, because the level of professionalism is so low. What he didn't say, but knew aswell: The grind just isn't worth it. The months or even years you need to invest to be around the best is time spend better with something else. And the same is true for BW and infinitly more when you are not korean.
There, happy?
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