EPTPersonally I posted this opinion that they would be dominant and pretty much got laughed at by BW Elitists and called a troll but I wonder if others would agree with me in this circle? I fathom they could get quite good if they played it seriously in about a year or so. Thoughts? Are they some kind of SC2 specialist where they wouldn't be top level in BW because of its mechanical difficulty or what? I'm really curious what you guys think.
What if Serral or Clem switched to Broodwar
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CicadaSC
United States1956 Posts
Personally I posted this opinion that they would be dominant and pretty much got laughed at by BW Elitists and called a troll but I wonder if others would agree with me in this circle? I fathom they could get quite good if they played it seriously in about a year or so. Thoughts? Are they some kind of SC2 specialist where they wouldn't be top level in BW because of its mechanical difficulty or what? I'm really curious what you guys think. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19368 Posts
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Balnazza
Germany1300 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1956 Posts
On March 25 2025 09:59 Balnazza wrote: This isn't even particularly about playing a different game - the problem would be to play against players who played the same game for basically 20 years. There is a reason why there is absolutely no young blood in the BW scene, the youngest player in the next ASL is 29, that's retirement age in a lot of games tbh. this i disagree with, its because the game is not that popular or trendy for kids, even in korea. you can look at PC Bang rankings for a rough estimate of what is popular right now and SC doesn't even make the top 10 anymore. <2% of games played in PC Bangs are of starcraft. https://www.gametrics.com/rank/Rank02.aspx | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46140 Posts
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dysenterymd
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lucoman
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Zergxhx
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yubo56
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The same argument failed when the BW greats transition to SC2: while the best players were also very good at SC2, they were not automatically dominant the way they were at BW, and the people who dominated SC2 were not necessarily dominant in BW. Flash, Jaedong come to mind. Innovation, rain, soulkey are players who were quite good at both games, but cannot be said to have been dominant in BW. But also, I think people saying that serral and clem would have no chance are being a bit stuck up. Half of the reason the understanding of the game took 20 years to reach the present day is because people had to try a bunch of random stuff and iterate a lot more. It's also why the game understanding advances a lot more now than in the KeSPA days, since people can talk to each other and watch each other more easily. Learning the now-well-established best plays, responses, is going to take a lot less than 20 years. Sure, more than like, 20 minutes or 20 days, but a couple of years for a dedicated, smart, mechanically gifted player? I think that sounds pretty believable. But dominant? I'd be willing to bet on significant odds not: the best SC2 and best BW players have never been the same person. I'd wager that Rain came the closest to being dominant in both games, but (i) he's a freak of nature, and (ii) players of both games will disagree with how "dominant" he really was (see Miz's SC2 GOAT list lol) | ||
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LaughNgamez
Canada525 Posts
If they practiced as hard as they did when they came up in SC2 they'd be top Broodwar players. I think it's a bit silly people saying they wouldn't succeed. Broodwar doesn't not have new players because it's too hard. It doesn't have new players because like SC2 young people play other games. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1956 Posts
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Nirli
Bulgaria387 Posts
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CHEONSOYUN
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27066 Posts
Over time a lot has become more public, but also remember a lot of the tricks of the trade were honed in closed team house environments. I think they could do something, but I think they’d need a coach to accelerate the process. They’d need to be in Korea and I think they’d need current top players to practice with them and help them out a lot. It’s the same problem an ‘outsider’ Korean has, only magnified by the language barrier. You’re not merely competing against a Flash, a Soulkey or a Snow, you’re competing against all those guys, who play each other, practice and talk the game together all the time. I think just laddering, solo studying, working hard and taking BW seriously they probably get to S class on ladder easy enough, but the next few jumps are absolutely huge. Unlikely, but would be super cool if the next big ‘StarCraft university’ project was for a handful of BW elites to take a top foreign SC2 player and see how far they could go. Would watch the shit out of that! | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28831 Posts
Within 1-2 years they would not be good enough to qualify for ASL. They could do great in BSL, though. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7279 Posts
They would rather quickly be the best players outside Asia and in time they could be top 10 in the world. Clem rather than Serral since Clem is better at grinding out games and at a learning stage this seems like the better approch than Serrals more theoretical style | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1956 Posts
On March 25 2025 17:36 WombaT wrote: Unlikely, but would be super cool if the next big ‘StarCraft university’ project was for a handful of BW elites to take a top foreign SC2 player and see how far they could go. Would watch the shit out of that! I would love that. Beasty is doing a similar thing with SC2 pros in AOE4. I think something like that would be cool. Doesnt even have to be koreans. What if Artosis, Bonyth, Eonzerg (or whoever rly) all were assigned a SC2 pupil and they would train them for a few weeks then put them against each other in a tournament. It would be awesome to watch. Similar with what Grubby did when he got various personalities to try WC3. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13426 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27066 Posts
On March 25 2025 18:32 CicadaSC wrote: I would love that. Beasty is doing a similar thing with SC2 pros in AOE4. I think something like that would be cool. Doesnt even have to be koreans. What if Artosis, Bonyth, Eonzerg (or whoever rly) all were assigned a SC2 pupil and they would train them for a few weeks then put them against each other in a tournament. It would be awesome to watch. Similar with what Grubby did when he got various personalities to try WC3. Yeah, I think it was quite interesting and fun, although more useful perhaps for newbies, seeing other newbies learning from top players. Like I found Harstem learning WC3 a bit more interesting personally just because he was coming from a high RTS baseline, but hey it’s all good. I’d really like to see elite players actually trying to coach an elite player from another game, to become an elite player in theirs. It’s obviously not going to actually happen but if the money was there, John the Translator returns, and Serral or Clem had 6 months/a year to make ASL while being coached by all the current top dogs, man that would be sick! | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1956 Posts
On March 25 2025 19:51 RowdierBob wrote: I don’t think they’d make it but it’d be cool to see them try. They’d be the most capable foreigners to play the game since prob Elky and Giyom. Elky and etc were no where near the level of Serral/Clem. The games have only developed, and this is the best mechanics any player has ever had. It's a new breed of gamer those guys could never keep up even in their prime. No offense to them, they were great when they played, but Serral and Clem are arguably the best RTS players who ever lived. | ||
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