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On October 19 2007 08:20 TesisMech wrote: I think it has to do with attitude and and working hard instead of not being intelligent enough, generally black people are lazy and doesnt work hard imo, there are exeptions also i seen incredible black scientists and other type of professionals. I dont think race is the problem here So you're basically saying the same thing as me but just blaming the stupidity on their laziness? Just like I said, There are mutations or some exceptions to this just like with most rules/laws. Furthermore like someone pointed ou culture has to weigh heavily on the increase in intelligence just like many other things such as physical abilities etc. So the blacks grow up in tough neighborhoods etc. They still make their own culture so the intelligence is still biologically evolving slower. | ||
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On October 19 2007 08:20 gLyo wrote: This could be said only because most black people are poor and poor people tend to have much less education and therefore are less intelligent. I would also like that say that I believe culture to have a far larger impact on intelligence than race (if race has any at all). That depends heavily on what you define as 'intelligence'. If you consider it as something a person is born with (dictated by genes), then there is no reason to believe that it can't vary amongst races just as skin colour or height varies between races. But still, classifying all 'black' people as having generally lower intelligence seems incredibly hard to prove, especially since scientific evidence shows that Africans have the highest variation of genes amongst all humans. | ||
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On October 19 2007 08:26 Aphelion wrote: I don't think it is true, but I think he makes a good point - you cannot simply push ideas of equality just because of their political and ideological convenience. You should treat all people as equal regardless of sex and race, and they should always been given the same opportunity to succeed - but there is no law which says all men must be biologically equal. I agree with both you and him on this point. Although he might not have taken the best route on trying to accomplish what he is saying, its still pretty deep. Also, did anyone finish the article? This guy definitely has some spunk. Dr Watson is no stranger to controversy. He has been reported in the past saying that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine it would be homosexual. In addition, he has suggested a link between skin colour and sex drive, proposing a theory that black people have higher libidos. He also claimed that beauty could be genetically manufactured, saying: “People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would be great.” That is pretty funny to say the least. | ||
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Also, haji, if you want reasonable: Dr Watson is no stranger to controversy. He has been reported in the past saying that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine it would be homosexual. I'm surprised there have been so many 'doesn't surprise me' responses. Really, you delightful young men (see, I'm keeping it civil)? Why is it Africa is still uncivilized? Because it was plundered and raped for hundreds of years? Because the strife is not over ? Are you saying that Africa's hardships have been self-imposed? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying! [edit: Also, before someone claims that Africa was dominated because its people were less intelligent: ability to wage war is the end all be all indicator of intelligence? NO. But it can have a cataclysmic effect on society and culture.] Why do blacks outnumber other races in pro sports? Why is the world so simple to you? Because, being an obviously oppressed race (please, disagree with me here!) over the past couple of hundreds of years has opened up exactly the same number of opportunities for them as us (whites, et al) in all sectors of business, right!? Sports is the only way out for a LOT of poor black people, for one. If mexicans are such hard workers, why weren't their ilk slaves? Whats the gene that separates mexican's hard work being applicable only in wal-mart to blacks work in sports(entering professional sports is apparently not hard!)? Maybe we didn't exactly come to our conclusion of who should be slaves based on sound empirical data! I mean, I know us whites are pretty f'n smart but, being as smart as I obviously am, I can admit every decision we make isn't the right one! TesisMech, though what he said is poorly articulated (I hope), is closer to the truth. I guess. Cultural, societal and fuck - issues of the history of civilizations are being relatively ignored. That said, are they? I can't find where he actually articulates the basis for this claim that black people are less intelligent! I guess its just supposed to be self-evident. It's pretty obvious that the guy generally ignored all possibility of LIFE shaping a human being and assumes the person is who he is from birth - gay, stupid, beautiful. In other words, the guy is fucking wacky. | ||
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On October 19 2007 08:18 Mimi wrote: this is like the oldest 'news' in the world.... in other news the chinese are pretty short, did you know? Excuse me "hagi", you have some SERIOUS issues with misunderstanding people if you think I'm 'trying to be smart' with the above comment and that it warrants a ban. You are accomplishing NOTHING by banning people over such rediculous and flippant things and are often so close to the border of banning people for the wrong reasons that you are overstepping this border more often than many people feel you should be. | ||
Last Romantic
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While it seems quite racist, the empirical evidence does back Watson's statements. Let's use blacks vs Asians as comparison. People don't get angry by the fact that there is no affirmative action in pro sports. So why does there need to be AA in other fields? The best and most qualified should get the job in every possible discipline. So black people are better American pro sports than yellow people. I can deal with that. But don't then say that black people are also just as successful in tech/intel/sciences as yellow people, because then you've asserted dominance. It's a horrible double-standard. It's not to say that all blacks are more athletic than all Asians - just most of them seem to be. The other comparison - that Asians are more scholarly - is also not absolute. The trend simply points that way. | ||
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First of all, I just want to say that I don't believe any race to be significantly more or less intelligent than the others. I am sure that we have all encountered people with various degrees of intelligence from all races so the individual variance is just to great for a person to claim than "black people are generally not as intelligent as whites." Second, since we are all homo sapiens, or the same species, then the individual variance of most people could not possibily be great enough that it would create these different classes based on skin color. I mean seriously, how many of you guys can actually tell apart a person with an IQ of 100 and another person with an IQ of 105, or 110. My second major point is that people from America generally seem to have much more racial stereotypes despite the country being most racially diverse because everyone seems to be doing what they do best. A lot of people in this country believe that if you're Asian, then you're smart, and that's true. Why? Because your only contact has been with Asians in America. If you were to travel to China, or better yet, live there, then you would see that this stereotype is completely bullshit because there are people there just like some of the retards back home. And similarly, black people, being generally poor in America, will do what they can to get by, and so they play football and basketball or run track. But if you were to live in Africam away from the social pressures of the US, I am sure you would see black boys with the greatest amibitions to go to school and maybe one day get a nice job or something like that. Do you guys agree? | ||
Last Romantic
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It's not like this is an oft-taught topic in uni anyways. Hell, Summers was removed for saying that historically males have done better than females in science and math. There's just way too much political correctness in this nation. | ||
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On October 19 2007 08:10 CharlieMurphy wrote: + Show Spoiler + One of the world’s most respected scientists is embroiled in an extraordinary row after claiming that black people are less intelligent than white people. James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in discovering the structure of DNA, has provoked outrage with his comments, made ahead of his arrival in Britain today. More fierce criticism of the eminent scientist is expected as he embarks on a number of engagements to promote a new book ‘Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science’. Among his first commitments is a speech to a London audience at the Science Museum on Friday. The event is sold out. Dr Watson, who runs one of America’s leading scientific research institutions, made the controversial remarks in an interview in The Sunday Times. Background The 79-year-old geneticist said he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really.". He said he hoped that everyone was equal, but countered that “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”. He says that you should not discriminate on the basis of colour, because “there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level”. He writes that “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”. He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade. The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission is studying Dr Watson’s remarks “in full”. Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said today: “It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments. “I am sure the scientific community will roundly reject what appear to be Dr Watson’s personal prejudices. These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exist at the highest professional levels.” Dr Watson was hailed as achieving one of the greatest single scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century when he worked at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s and 1960s, forming part of the team which discovered the structure of DNA. He shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for medicine with his British colleague Francis Crick and New Zealand-born Maurice Wilkins. He has served for 50 years as a director of the Cold Spring Harbour Laboratory on Long Island, considered a world leader in research into cancer and genetics. Dr Watson is no stranger to controversy. He has been reported in the past saying that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine it would be homosexual. In addition, he has suggested a link between skin colour and sex drive, proposing a theory that black people have higher libidos. He also claimed that beauty could be genetically manufactured, saying: “People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would be great.” Background Commenting on Dr Watson’s current views about race, Steven Rose, a professor of biological sciences at the Open University, said: “This is Watson at his most scandalous. He has said similar things about women before but I have never heard him get into this racist terrain. He added: “If he knew the literature in the subject he would know he was out of his depth scientifically, quite apart from socially and politically.” A spokeswoman for the Science Museum said it was looking into “things” concerning the security of the event on Friday. She said: “This kind of thing always generates debate.” James Watson speaking engagements in UK You can see and hear James Watson talking about his new book Avoid Boring People at the following venues: Friday, October 19 12.30-2pm Blackwell, Wellcome Collection – book signing only 6.30-7.30pm Imax Cinema at the Science Museum – talk chaired by Professor Richard Morris Sunday, October 21 12-1.30pm Barter Books, Alnwick – book signing 6pm Centre for Life, Newcastle – talk chaired by Robin McKie Background Monday, October 22 PUBLICATION DAY 6pm Assembly Hall, 1 Mound Place, Edinburgh – event part of the Edinburgh University Enlightenment Series of Lectures with Ian Wilmut, chaired by David Porteous Tuesday, October 23 7.30pm The Union Society Debating Chamber, Cambridge – in conversation with Simon Baron-Cohen, chaired by Matthew Jarvis Wednesday, October 24 12.45-2.15pm Bristol 'Festival of Ideas' at St. George's – talk chaired by Professor Eric Thomas 7pm The Sheldonian Theatre, Oxford – talk chaired by Richard Dawkins Doesn't surprise me. Not because I'm racist or anything. But look at every race, every has different features and stereotypes for a reason. They are not 100%, but for the majority it can be some what true. As much as people want to believe in equality and 'every man was created equal' its not true, or else everyone would be playing pro football and doing rocket science. Why is it that Blacks outnumber any other race in pro sports? Why are there like no mexican/asian basketball players? Why are the most famous scientists and shit usually white or asian? Why are mexicans such hard workers? I mean there has to be a reason why blacks were chosen to be slaves over other whites or middle eastern people. Also why is it that way back then most of africa was still uncivilized compared to the rest of the world? jeez and i thought that you were dumb before. bravo | ||
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