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I have been a fan and frequent watcher of ForGG for about 10 years and have always been friendly in the chat. Interacting with others, asking questions, making jokes, and having a great time. I can confidently say he has been my favorite player for as long as I can remember. Build orders, attitude, etc... Today was very different. A user named 'jrs08' was extremely toxic, name calling, trying to rank shame (claim others are low rank) and generally was just causing fights. I normally would let something like this go but decided I needed to speak up to touch on a very important issue, as this is the perfect example I can provide from personal experience.
This is NOT just to center out one person (streamer or chat user) but to bring awareness to other big streamers as I often witness miscommunication being reason for removing someone. It is SO important to have mods if you're numbers are large to moderate issues. Today I received a chat ban for asking questions and interacting. This happened because instead of properly analyzing the chat, a quick ban and picking favorites prevailed and unfortunately has resulted in the loss of a fan of 10 years. I've donated from different accounts and been supportive since Brood War.
I encourage all popular streamers to make moderators and have faith in the team you create. Too often streamers lose good fans because of miscommunication or bad apples. It is just unfortunate some poor chat management can result in losing streamers some of their longest running fans/return viewers.
I will always be a fan at heart, but I can't help but feel for anyone else who has experienced something similar with a streamer they enjoy.
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You are a fan for 10 years and stopped because you got banned by someone who's second language is English? You can appeal and submit an unban request and if your chat history isn't toxic I'm sure you'll be unbanned.
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If only things were that simple. Obviously this is not a one off, it has been recurring. Why would I want to appeal after being treated so poorly? I have had nothing but respect in the channel and a returning viewer for a decade. It is unfortunate that money and favoritism plays a large role here.
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Again to reiterate, this is why it is so important to have proper mods to moderate your channel. Easily avoidable.
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Northern Ireland20712 Posts
If you’ve been a frequent donator surely the incentive to ban you isn’t that high?
Sounds more likely a miscommunication or a mistake that an appeal could swiftly fix.
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Not worth an appeal. Like I said. This ship has sailed. Respect is given where it is deserved. Great player. Could be swiftly fixed with an English moderator, could have been avoided with one to begin with. Hence the importance of the message I am trying to convey. Proper moderators for a busy chat is very important. A language barrier can be dealt with properly and efficiently. The incentive to ban comes from this toxic user relying on his own current frequent donations to encourage bans. Unfortunately money wins over loyalty, and that's the damage that has been done.
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This post is to bring awareness to streamers and encourage the use of proper mods in channels... not to slam ForGG for not having good English. Please do not try to manipulate the issue I am trying to raise about the importance of moderators to be negative towards Park. Today's incident had fueled me to want to bring awareness to this issue because it happens to many people on streaming platforms.
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Austin10831 Posts
Your first post on Teamliquid, almost 7 years ago:
On January 24 2014 20:23 ObamaBinFrauden wrote: Hey, I am just here making a post about the unbelievably awful first encounter I had tuning into PainUser's live stream.
I had come into the stream, and as I tuned in PainUser was upset claiming someone was stream sniping. I then proceeded to ask why he thought this since I did not see the game. He immediately called me a retard and told me that any 'dumb ****er kid could see that he was stream sniping him' then continued to spit hateful speech towards me and rally up viewers to do the same.
I have been an avid stream watcher for years now and a part of teamliquid.net for some time, and watch stream daily. I have never once encountered such poor and distasteful treatment in a stream chat before. He had people threatening to DDOS me, making derogatory racial slurs about Mexicans and other hate speech'. Threatening to have all his viewers report my twitch and my youtube etc in the stream chat... I came in and asked a simple innocent question, and received unacceptable improper treatment... I am hoping there will not be more experiences like this for other streamers. This is one stream I will def discourage others to watch. I only hope that others will not have to encounter the same issues and hope that PainUser reconsiders his hateful speech in the future, especially if one day he wants his name to be represented by sponsors.
Time really is a flat circle.
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Yes unfortunately as I reiterate, it happens to many people. Took me 7 years to speak up against the issue again. As I'll state again, this is just to bring awareness to the important of moderators. Please don't try to shift this into a negative light and antagonizing a post by bringing up a thread from 7 years ago. The only point to repost that is to antagonize and cause argument and discomfort. This is also toxic.
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Look man it's obvious from your posts that you're upset and I think the best action you can take it to just sleep it off, and appeal the ban tomorrow.
I've been banned for saying GG because 'the game might not have been completely over when you said it.' Obviously it's frustrating, but it happens. It's best to just skip the mods and utilize the appeal function; however, sleep it off first and keep any frustration out of your appeal.
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On July 26 2021 12:45 Hunta15 wrote: Look man it's obvious from your posts that you're upset and I think the best action you can take it to just sleep it off, and appeal the ban tomorrow.
I've been banned for saying GG because 'the game might not have been completely over when you said it.' Obviously it's frustrating, but it happens. It's best to just skip the mods and utilize the appeal function; however, sleep it off first and keep any frustration out of your appeal. No. I think he is on to something here. He needs to vent and we, as a collective, need to listen.
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Hunta15 Like I said. Ill reiterate a fourth ( or is it fifth time ?) since the concept has easily evaded you... this post isn't because I want to appeal. It is not to slam ForGG for not having good english. It has nothing to do with being upset as I am not upset. I am disappointed in the way that things are dealt with and disappointed that a current influx of donations from someone can be incentive to ban a loyal follower of a decade.
Why would it be best to skip the mods? (especially when there are already none)... if there were mods, this may have been easily prevented (as stated earlier also). Hence the reason for the post and why I have decided to speak up about these kind of issues across all streaming platforms. If you are going to comment please add something constructive to the thread. Even mods here seem to be trouble starters. Bro0d has obviously brought up an old post from 7 years again with the aim to stir up conflict. It seems you get these types of people anywhere you go. If we are not allowed to raise our concerns in a 'public discussion thread' then where are we expected to do so ? Nothing posted here was against post rules or guidelines for TL.net
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On July 26 2021 11:44 ObamaBinFrauden wrote: Not worth an appeal. Like I said. This ship has sailed. Respect is given where it is deserved. Great player. Could be swiftly fixed with an English moderator, could have been avoided with one to begin with. Hence the importance of the message I am trying to convey. Proper moderators for a busy chat is very important. A language barrier can be dealt with properly and efficiently. The incentive to ban comes from this toxic user relying on his own current frequent donations to encourage bans. Unfortunately money wins over loyalty, and that's the damage that has been done.
Jesus, drama queen. It's easily fixable but you refuse to get it fixed and rather create drama about it on TL? That's just NOT the way to go about things. I'm sure 99% of the people on here will think just the same, don't wanna get it fixed? Then don't turn into a drama queen as right now you're a part of the problem.
Also, the vast majority here won't care as 1) the solution is obvious, 2) you refuse to solve it, 3) drama.
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Do you think I'm going to take fucking ObamaBinFrauden's opinion on anything seriously?
Let him complain. People are allowed to complain. But on the reverse side, we are also allowed to mock him.
The level of sincerity in this thread, from a guy called ObamaBinFrauden, is probably negative.
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There are probably people who see who the poster is, look at the title, and choose not to open the thread.
I envy these people.
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On July 26 2021 14:21 Thaniri wrote: There are probably people who see who the poster is, look at the title, and choose not to open the thread.
I envy these people.
Haha, a truer story doesn't exist, thanks for the laugh :'D
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On July 26 2021 14:21 Thaniri wrote: There are probably people who see who the poster is, look at the title, and choose not to open the thread.
I envy these people. what does the username have to do with the person at all? my username is fking evilfatsh1t and i can tell you i am definitely not a fat shit. ive been underweight for the majority of my life. what a dumb post
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Discriminating on someone for a 12 year old username is immature. This is a form of online bullying.
Again for the people who clearly cannot read. This is to bring up the importance of moderators, with an example of my own personal experience. Not to slam a streamer or complain about one user, as I know I have clearly stated a few times. Seems the message and big picture is soaring over some people's heads here.
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On July 26 2021 17:27 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2021 14:21 Thaniri wrote: There are probably people who see who the poster is, look at the title, and choose not to open the thread.
I envy these people. what does the username have to do with the person at all? my username is fking evilfatsh1t and i can tell you i am definitely not a fat shit. ive been underweight for the majority of my life. what a dumb post
Newsflash: Slim but seemingly intolerant evilfatsh1t defending ObamabinFrauden for being a dramaqueen!
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Northern Ireland20712 Posts
On July 26 2021 17:27 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2021 14:21 Thaniri wrote: There are probably people who see who the poster is, look at the title, and choose not to open the thread.
I envy these people. what does the username have to do with the person at all? my username is fking evilfatsh1t and i can tell you i am definitely not a fat shit. ive been underweight for the majority of my life. what a dumb post You didn’t say you aren’t evil though?
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Going public to try applying pressure is the best example to NOT do ... and given this isn't the first time the OP does it, well that shows, lessons not learned. The only thing the topic is achieving is one hand, allowing the OP to vent frustration, but on the other hand allowing others to mock.
I can dislike how some twitch channel moderators conduct themselves (one or two funny stories I keep in mind) but I'll just look at other channels.
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On July 26 2021 18:46 Rob-Zero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2021 17:27 evilfatsh1t wrote:On July 26 2021 14:21 Thaniri wrote: There are probably people who see who the poster is, look at the title, and choose not to open the thread.
I envy these people. what does the username have to do with the person at all? my username is fking evilfatsh1t and i can tell you i am definitely not a fat shit. ive been underweight for the majority of my life. what a dumb post Newsflash: Slim but seemingly intolerant evilfatsh1t defending ObamabinFrauden for being a dramaqueen! im not defending him for being a drama queen at all. im calling out tharini on a pathetic reason to discredit someones post.
On July 26 2021 18:57 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2021 17:27 evilfatsh1t wrote:On July 26 2021 14:21 Thaniri wrote: There are probably people who see who the poster is, look at the title, and choose not to open the thread.
I envy these people. what does the username have to do with the person at all? my username is fking evilfatsh1t and i can tell you i am definitely not a fat shit. ive been underweight for the majority of my life. what a dumb post You didn’t say you aren’t evil though? well spotted. heheh
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On July 26 2021 14:21 Thaniri wrote: There are probably people who see who the poster is, look at the title, and choose not to open the thread.
I envy these people.
They have wisdom and peace I can only hope to acquire.
Also regarding the other discussion here: a username is not some moniker handed out without one's own agency. It's a choice. I think making some judgement against someone and whether you will engage with them for calling themselves "Obamabinfrauden" is just good praxis tbh.
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whys everyone taking this guy so seriously lmao
seriously posting in a forum over a chat ban?
sounds like you've got an exceptionally fragile ego, honestly
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On July 26 2021 21:26 Zealos wrote: whys everyone taking this guy so seriously lmao
seriously posting in a forum over a chat ban?
sounds like you've got an exceptionally fragile ego, honestly
Liking your signature - long time ago or you specifically edited it reading this topic ?
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People care about Twitch chat?
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On July 26 2021 22:15 geokilla wrote: People care about Twitch chat?
Apparently people who name their accounts "ObamabinFrauden" do.
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On July 26 2021 21:36 Philippe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2021 21:26 Zealos wrote: whys everyone taking this guy so seriously lmao
seriously posting in a forum over a chat ban?
sounds like you've got an exceptionally fragile ego, honestly Liking your signature - long time ago or you specifically edited it reading this topic ? had it ages, IIRC i just stole it off someone else though haha
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On July 26 2021 10:04 ObamaBinFrauden wrote: Today I received a chat ban for asking questions and interacting.
I'm willing to bet the chat logs will show otherwise.
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My take on it is you seem extremely fragile, twitch chat does not matter and this is a waste of everyone's time.
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On July 26 2021 18:20 ObamaBinFrauden wrote: Discriminating on someone for a 12 year old username is immature. This is a form of online bullying.
Again for the people who clearly cannot read. This is to bring up the importance of moderators, with an example of my own personal experience. Not to slam a streamer or complain about one user, as I know I have clearly stated a few times. Seems the message and big picture is soaring over some people's heads here.
Gonna make a topic for that too? A topic about a topic about a topic?
I'm sure you must be fun at parties. Way too fragile to be dealing with people over the internet, that much is obvious.
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Wait... OP isn't satire? OBF, this really isn't a serious issue.
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On July 27 2021 01:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Wait... OP isn't satire? OBF, this really isn't a serious issue. Someone was mean on the internet, this isn't a laughing matter.
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On July 27 2021 02:59 NrG.Bamboo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2021 01:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Wait... OP isn't satire? OBF, this really isn't a serious issue. Someone was mean on the internet, this isn't a laughing matter.
LOL!
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On July 26 2021 22:39 Ctone23 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2021 10:04 ObamaBinFrauden wrote: Today I received a chat ban for asking questions and interacting.
I'm willing to bet the chat logs will show otherwise.
That was my first reaction, too. Also, of course, there are few thing you can do in a chat channel which can not be described as "asking questions and interacting".
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On July 26 2021 19:52 Philippe wrote: Going public to try applying pressure is the best example to NOT do ... and given this isn't the first time the OP does it, well that shows, lessons not learned. The only thing the topic is achieving is one hand, allowing the OP to vent frustration, but on the other hand allowing others to mock.
I can dislike how some twitch channel moderators conduct themselves (one or two funny stories I keep in mind) but I'll just look at other channels.
Obviously you have trouble reading. This is not to 'try to apply pressure'. Please read the clearly written english in the post before writing ill informed assumptions.
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The level of immaturity from some of the users writing in this post in unparalleled. I am surprised how negative the community has become in the years I have been a part of it. I used to share with others how awesome and tight knit/ supportive the sc2 community was but lately my faith has definitely been in question.
The negative comments and bullying here is prime example of the problems surrounding the issues I am trying to touch on. Even Brood the moderator commenting on here is contributing to the negative attitude written in this thread.
Instead of banding together to create and maintain a positive community, these people willfully create negative comments contributing to the downfall of this once fantastic community. TL has always been a place where like-minded gamers could come together in a hub and discuss their ideas, opinions, and experiences... no matter how trivial.
It seems now it is just a regular forum now where people look for reasons to bash and antagonize others. TL forum has definitely lost its appeal, with lack of proper moderation and poor/negative user contribution.
TL was once my favorite place to come together and discuss, meet people, stream, and learn... Only thing I'm learning these days is how negativity has destroyed the single place online I held dearest. RIP.
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On July 26 2021 22:39 Ctone23 wrote:
I'm willing to bet the chat logs will show otherwise.
I'm talking about a twitch chat not your mom's onlyfans.
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On July 27 2021 06:05 ObamaBinFrauden wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2021 19:52 Philippe wrote: Going public to try applying pressure is the best example to NOT do ... and given this isn't the first time the OP does it, well that shows, lessons not learned. The only thing the topic is achieving is one hand, allowing the OP to vent frustration, but on the other hand allowing others to mock.
I can dislike how some twitch channel moderators conduct themselves (one or two funny stories I keep in mind) but I'll just look at other channels. Obviously you have trouble reading. This is not to 'try to apply pressure'. Please read the clearly written english in the post before writing ill informed assumptions.
Trying to insult others instead of defending your own argument with reasonable arguments isn't what I call acceptable behaviour. Nor is crying wolf legitimate.
You're creating your own enemies there to the point this is funny.. When ironically my wording was pretty reasonable compared to what others wrote.
EDITED for more clarity
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Canada8763 Posts
I'd like to point out that two pages in, no one has been banned in this thread yet, it is probably a conspiracy to make TL mods seems merciful.
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On July 27 2021 06:05 ObamaBinFrauden wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2021 19:52 Philippe wrote: Going public to try applying pressure is the best example to NOT do ... and given this isn't the first time the OP does it, well that shows, lessons not learned. The only thing the topic is achieving is one hand, allowing the OP to vent frustration, but on the other hand allowing others to mock.
I can dislike how some twitch channel moderators conduct themselves (one or two funny stories I keep in mind) but I'll just look at other channels. Obviously you have trouble reading. This is not to 'try to apply pressure'. Please read the clearly written english in the post before writing ill informed assumptions.
Really? You're telling this dude that he has trouble reading and telling me that the "concept has easily evaded you" when I know what's going on and was just trying to give my two cents on how to solve the issue shows that you're clearly being hostile and you're not as much of a nice guy as you're trying to play out.
Coming here and just proclaiming that you're done watching ForGG because he hurt your feelings is no different than saying I'm leaving StarCraft forever and there's nothing you can do about it! The blunt answer I should have given you the first time is that none of us care. I'm going to leave this thread now before things get out of hand.
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Just for you Hunta15 because you have demonstrated you cannot read. This is to raise awareness about the importance of mods using a personal example. Anything beyond that is non intentional and fabricated by yourself. Anyone would express frustration when having to continually repeat themselves to people who are disregarding reading clear plain english.
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For not caring you sure went out of your way to comment... lol
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On July 27 2021 06:17 ObamaBinFrauden wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2021 03:55 Simberto wrote:
I'm willing to bet the chat logs will show otherwise. I'm talking about a twitch chat not your mom's onlyfans. At least quote me as I was the one who said it as you sit here and tell people to read the OP more carefully
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Just nitpicking at minor details still and missing the larger message here. I edited the proper name into the quote for you before you have a hernia.
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Dude you need to do some soul searching, whatever purpose you think you had writing this post probably isn't the actual reason you made it.
You didn't do this "to help streamers realize the importance of moderators", everyone knows that. No one is going to argue with you saying moderators are useless or be enlightened by your post.
Your purpose is clear as day when you look at the title you wrote, which says nothing about positivity or pulling attention to a problem: "FORGG TOXIC" is your title of choice. Sure you rewrote that a bit but the message gets across.
If had any interest in making a post for a postive reason you would have had left the actual streamer in question anonymous and discussed the problem at large.
You have issues handling feeling rejected and believe you are entitled to be treated better than others. Thats why you come here to whine and create drama to shit talk the person that made you feel bad. Own it and work on improving your mental
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If I could have edited the title afterward I would have to better reflect.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Also dont manipulate the title to make it sound worse than it is to suit your negative response. The title is 'FORGG toxic chat users' not 'FORGG TOXIC'
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On July 27 2021 06:17 ObamaBinFrauden wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2021 22:39 Ctone23 wrote:
I'm willing to bet the chat logs will show otherwise. I'm talking about a twitch chat not your mom's onlyfans.
You're making "your mom" jokes, and you expect us to think you were being mature on Twitch?
On July 27 2021 06:15 ObamaBinFrauden wrote: TL was once my favorite place to come together and discuss, meet people, stream, and learn... Only thing I'm learning these days is how negativity has destroyed the single place online I held dearest. RIP.
According to your profile, you had a total of 4 posts before you made this ridiculous thread.
It sucks you're upset, but get over it. Sleep it off or something.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES48987 Posts
This has gone on long enough.
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