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[Poll] Comparison of APM and League

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jeeunit
Profile Joined November 2010
United States22 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 14:25:14
December 05 2010 11:42 GMT
#1
NVM. found a similar thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120988. You can close this one. Did a search of Poll instead of APM.

Hi, I am curious what the distribution of the league and average SC2 APM of teamliquid users are [average APM shown on replay]. After getting the raw numbers, I will probably make a histogram for each league.

We know that having high APM does not necessarily make you a good player. However, a good player tends to have higher APM.

The most related poll is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168621. It shows that in general, TL users are in Diamond.

Do not post APM in thread. Thanks.

Diamond League
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Poll: (Diamond) What is your APM

100-149 (133)
 
33%

70-99 (108)
 
27%

149-199 (60)
 
15%

40-69 (37)
 
9%

0-19 (29)
 
7%

200+ (24)
 
6%

20-39 (7)
 
2%

398 total votes

Your vote: (Diamond) What is your APM

(Vote): 0-19
(Vote): 20-39
(Vote): 40-69
(Vote): 70-99
(Vote): 100-149
(Vote): 149-199
(Vote): 200+


Platinum League
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Poll: (Platnium) What is your APM

70-99 (33)
 
38%

40-69 (15)
 
17%

0-19 (13)
 
15%

100-149 (10)
 
11%

200+ (8)
 
9%

149-199 (5)
 
6%

20-39 (4)
 
5%

88 total votes

Your vote: (Platnium) What is your APM

(Vote): 0-19
(Vote): 20-39
(Vote): 40-69
(Vote): 70-99
(Vote): 100-149
(Vote): 149-199
(Vote): 200+


Gold League
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Poll: (Gold) What is your APM

70-99 (23)
 
38%

40-69 (19)
 
31%

100-149 (8)
 
13%

200+ (5)
 
8%

0-19 (4)
 
7%

20-39 (1)
 
2%

149-199 (1)
 
2%

61 total votes

Your vote: (Gold) What is your APM

(Vote): 0-19
(Vote): 20-39
(Vote): 40-69
(Vote): 70-99
(Vote): 100-149
(Vote): 149-199
(Vote): 200+


Silver League
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Poll: (Silver) What is your APM

200+ (33)
 
54%

40-69 (9)
 
15%

70-99 (9)
 
15%

100-149 (5)
 
8%

20-39 (2)
 
3%

149-199 (2)
 
3%

0-19 (1)
 
2%

61 total votes

Your vote: (Silver) What is your APM

(Vote): 0-19
(Vote): 20-39
(Vote): 40-69
(Vote): 70-99
(Vote): 100-149
(Vote): 149-199
(Vote): 200+


Bronze League
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Poll: (Bronze) What is your APM

200+ (153)
 
91%

40-69 (8)
 
5%

0-19 (2)
 
1%

20-39 (2)
 
1%

100-149 (2)
 
1%

149-199 (1)
 
1%

70-99 (0)
 
0%

168 total votes

Your vote: (Bronze) What is your APM

(Vote): 0-19
(Vote): 20-39
(Vote): 40-69
(Vote): 70-99
(Vote): 100-149
(Vote): 149-199
(Vote): 200+



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crystyxn
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania254 Posts
December 05 2010 11:44 GMT
#2
70-99 silver league

:/
"You should be the one putting pressure on your opponent, not the other way around." - Artosis
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
December 05 2010 11:46 GMT
#3
Haha at comparison between diamond and bronze
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Ryka
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom254 Posts
December 05 2010 11:46 GMT
#4
40-69 Diamond league.

More accurately around 50-55 as protoss, 65-70 as zerg.
terranghost
Profile Joined May 2010
United States980 Posts
December 05 2010 11:47 GMT
#5
I have the suspician the some people are lying or just consistantly spamming without a clue what to do with the apm
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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
December 05 2010 11:47 GMT
#6
bronze knows how to push dem buttons (aka poll fail)
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Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
December 05 2010 11:48 GMT
#7
70-99 Diamond, generally 80-100 as Protoss and 90-110 as Zerg
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 11:51:19
December 05 2010 11:50 GMT
#8
Seems like a difficult topic to everyone below diamond?

Also, do you mean the real APM or the SC2 APM.
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Zimmerman17
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada17 Posts
December 05 2010 11:51 GMT
#9
There will be way too many trolls for this. For some reason people treat apm as if it were a dick measuring contest and everyone says they have a monstrous 200+ in their trousers. My feeble 40-69 in Silver will only bring me shame for my shortcomings.
ZerOfy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom405 Posts
December 05 2010 11:52 GMT
#10
70-99 Platinum
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ahwala
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany382 Posts
December 05 2010 11:52 GMT
#11
rofl@poll
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
December 05 2010 11:54 GMT
#12
You could easily test someone's APM by giving them a set of marines+stim vs a bunch of speed upped banelings... and see how well they can trade...units

it's only to test their apm spikes anyways...
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DrBoo
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1177 Posts
December 05 2010 11:55 GMT
#13
so this topic is pretty useless lol looks like its been hit by nothing but trolls
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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
December 05 2010 11:55 GMT
#14
70-100, 2300 diamond
Ryka
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom254 Posts
December 05 2010 11:56 GMT
#15
Atleast most of the diamond poll responses seem legit!
ZerOfy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom405 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 11:57:41
December 05 2010 11:57 GMT
#16
Check the Bronze poll, hilarious
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OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
December 05 2010 11:57 GMT
#17
On December 05 2010 20:47 Grend wrote:
bronze knows how to push dem buttons (aka poll fail)

dem buttons!
i dunno lol
craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 12:00:32
December 05 2010 12:00 GMT
#18
How the hell do you have 200 apm and are still in the platinum league or gold league, makes no sense. Ahh I see, trolls.
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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
December 05 2010 12:00 GMT
#19
Damn all these bronze and silver players with 200+ apm
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
December 05 2010 12:05 GMT
#20
Lol the poll backfired.
Hautamaki
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Canada1311 Posts
December 05 2010 12:10 GMT
#21
my apm has always been shit, 55-65ish, but I still managed to get to diamond league after only about 30 games. Too bad the trolls ruined the poll =\
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Gondlem
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia642 Posts
December 05 2010 12:13 GMT
#22
55-65 isn't bad really. You can do 95% of things you need to do in game with that sort of speed. Intensive micro is a pretty small part of SC2 unless you play at an elite level and macro is more about memory than speed.
Buffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden665 Posts
December 05 2010 12:14 GMT
#23
When I looked over at silver league and saw #1 was 200 apm. Bursted out in laughter Still would be fun just seeing the numbers.
Yes I am
jeeunit
Profile Joined November 2010
United States22 Posts
December 05 2010 12:15 GMT
#24
On December 05 2010 20:50 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Seems like a difficult topic to everyone below diamond?

Also, do you mean the real APM or the SC2 APM.


SC2 APM. I don't know how you would find out real APM without an external program.
jeeunit
Profile Joined November 2010
United States22 Posts
December 05 2010 12:17 GMT
#25
On December 05 2010 21:10 Hautamaki wrote:
my apm has always been shit, 55-65ish, but I still managed to get to diamond league after only about 30 games. Too bad the trolls ruined the poll =\


Diamond and Platinum look good. I expect them to follow the normal curve.
ejac
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1195 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 12:19:58
December 05 2010 12:18 GMT
#26
Kinda a useless poll since it doesn't mention whether people should be voting with their apm in sc2 time or real time (1.38x higher). I go at about 230apm real time. But apm doesn't matter really for 99.9% of the people out there, so you really shouldn't worry about it anyway.
esq>n
Widar
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden261 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 12:19:29
December 05 2010 12:18 GMT
#27
Im one of them 20-39 guys =)
Fake it till you make it
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
December 05 2010 12:19 GMT
#28
GJ bronze players
kirkybaby
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)781 Posts
December 05 2010 12:21 GMT
#29
bronze here with average of 400+ apm
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Excellent
Profile Joined November 2010
United States124 Posts
December 05 2010 12:22 GMT
#30
2300 diamond, APM rarely goes above 60.

This makes me feel like I suck, but I don't like spamming. My APM at the start hangs around 15 for a while.
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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 12:33:25
December 05 2010 12:22 GMT
#31
double post.
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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
December 05 2010 12:24 GMT
#32
Thank god I made it to Diamond. I have no idea how I'd survive in Bronze with my measly 70 APM.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
December 05 2010 12:27 GMT
#33
On December 05 2010 21:15 jeeunit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 20:50 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Seems like a difficult topic to everyone below diamond?

Also, do you mean the real APM or the SC2 APM.


SC2 APM. I don't know how you would find out real APM without an external program.


multiply your sc2 apm by 1.4 (or something like that)

200+

diamond
Inex
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria443 Posts
December 05 2010 12:30 GMT
#34
On December 05 2010 21:24 pure.Wasted wrote:
Thank god I made it to Diamond. I have no idea how I'd survive in Bronze with my measly 70 APM.


You are right man. In Bronze and Silver, these guys cheese until their brain starts dripping from their ears. No idea if a spoiled Diamond can survive 5 minutes in this madness.
On Topic: My APM is usually around 150-160, in battles goes up to 200+, but I SPAM a lot, so not really a measure of skill in my case (1600 low diamond).
Grummler
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany743 Posts
December 05 2010 12:35 GMT
#35
100ish. No spam at all, though. If i need a unit to move from A to B in the heat of a battle, i calmly select it and right click once.
I play around the 2300 Diamond area, dont know what type of diamond this is. Mid diamond i guess.
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rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
December 05 2010 12:36 GMT
#36
170 apm, 1900 diamond only played around 200 games so far though.
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AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 12:53:37
December 05 2010 12:49 GMT
#37
belongs on the mu and intense of the game but usually 140-160 in TvP, TvZ with games longer than 10 min. in TvT it its more like 130, I seriously hate that mu. diamond 2300

edit
numbers are just the normal sc2 apm from the replays, but the 1,4 multiplier seems to be accurate since my sc1 APM was between 190-210.
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mardi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1164 Posts
December 05 2010 12:49 GMT
#38
bronze league lookin pretty legit.
FrostedMiniWeet
Profile Joined July 2009
United States636 Posts
December 05 2010 12:55 GMT
#39
APM is overrated. Minigun as 100 apm. Though, its much higher for zergs unfortunately
Manimal_pro
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania991 Posts
December 05 2010 12:56 GMT
#40
80-100 2100 diamond terran
If you like brood war, please go play brood war and stop whining about SC2
Skamtet
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada634 Posts
December 05 2010 13:01 GMT
#41
On December 05 2010 21:55 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
APM is overrated. Minigun as 100 apm. Though, its much higher for zergs unfortunately
You get more APM as you get better so no it isn't overrated.
HTX
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany265 Posts
December 05 2010 13:01 GMT
#42
I should definately play more bronze players to improve my apm.
The internet: a horrible collective liar
kor0na
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden28 Posts
December 05 2010 13:03 GMT
#43
Can people stop going on about "real apm" versus "sc2 apm". The number only makes sense if everyone's using the same frame of reference, as it's a number that needs something to compare to to be of any value. So can we just agree that "sc2 apm" is what we're using to compare, and not care about the fact that it doesn't correlate to real world minutes?
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
December 05 2010 13:14 GMT
#44
lmao at all the bronze with 200+ apm votes, so good
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Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
December 05 2010 13:25 GMT
#45
250 SC2. Diamond.

But. It. Doesn't. Mean. Anything.
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clayn
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany444 Posts
December 05 2010 13:30 GMT
#46
bronze and silver are bad ass spammers! :x
Joefish
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany314 Posts
December 05 2010 13:32 GMT
#47
Seems that according to the poll your league ranking decrease inversely proportional to one's APM...
lol'd hard when I saw the Bronze APM ^^
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
December 05 2010 13:35 GMT
#48
Another useless APM thread. When are people going to realise that no one cares about each other's APM and that the relationship between APM and skill is weak within the amateur community.
jeeunit
Profile Joined November 2010
United States22 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-05 14:02:45
December 05 2010 13:59 GMT
#49
We can assume relationships between two variables, but I rather have numbers and hard data to back it up or refute. Also, from the Diamond league data, it seems to show that the range is wide, so even if you have lower APM, you can succeed. However, from what has been gathered so far, Diamond league, on average tend to have higher APM than platinum league.
Zauvryn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States18 Posts
December 05 2010 14:05 GMT
#50
On December 05 2010 22:01 Skamtet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 21:55 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
APM is overrated. Minigun as 100 apm. Though, its much higher for zergs unfortunately
You get more APM as you get better so no it isn't overrated.


But you don't get better as you get more APM. Seriously, just give up on it. It's an interesting tidbit to look at when watching pro players go at it, but it's not a requirement to be competitive like it was in Brood War. Which is a fantastic thing.
The truth is usually just an excuse for lack of imagination.
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
December 05 2010 14:07 GMT
#51
On December 05 2010 22:01 Skamtet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 21:55 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
APM is overrated. Minigun as 100 apm. Though, its much higher for zergs unfortunately
You get more APM as you get better so no it isn't overrated.


No, you don't. I have gone from gold 3 months ago, to high diamond without changing my APM at all.
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In)Spire
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1323 Posts
December 05 2010 14:17 GMT
#52
LOL THE POLL
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
December 05 2010 14:41 GMT
#53
As good intentioned as the OP might be, this is the internet. These types of threads will obviously fail because there's no scientific method to speak of. Learn about scopes and methods, and then maybe you'll come up with a good way to do it (or realize a good way doesn't exist.)
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