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United States24333 Posts
Odoakar why not at least show this stuff too?
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/10/03/the-sunday-papers-139/
"The Hathor legacy on the sexual harassment of female players over in the Team Liquid forums. Bad to begin with, it only escalates when some Team Liquid Forumites escalate in a move which doesn’t exactly highlight their tactical genius."
Inside the quotes are two hyperlinks to the articles that you already linked to.
edit: btw we are already aware of that
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Yeah, The Sunday Papers on RPS contains a mention of the story with 2 links to Hathor website, as I mentioned. Didn't see it as crucial to this story, but it's probably good to have all the info gathered in one place.
And yeah, I presumed mods were aware of this, but wasn't sure if community is as well.
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Belgium9937 Posts
Wow, I just read all of this and they're just oblivious.
They seriously thought that first blog was some girl being mistreated? Haha
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So an organization that is hell-bent on complete equality (which is a topic I'll save my venting on, ftr) is saying that TL sexually harassed someone? Why does it matter, exactly? Like honestly, there are people who are psychotic everywhere who will spew anything to get a quick hit.
People could say that TL is anti-semitic, racist, sexist, homophobic and a million other things if they just search for the right thread. By giving them the time of day, you only help them out.
Let them wither back into nothingness.
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If anyone thinks the TL mods are disrespectful in any way, then it's great they are not on this site. Just read through one page of what goes on here and you will see 3 or 4 red bans notices. These guys clean shit up. Now read through the B.net forums. Yes, sometimes they miss things, and sometimes they are just playing around, but really, in the long run it's just a plain fact that the TL mods do sooooooooooooo much for keeping this site clean it's not even funny. If those people cannot realize how much they've actually done just because of one or two instances (and in one of the instances they site it even has Manifesto tell people to stop...), then it's a sad truth that they aren't smart enough to be around here. It's silly how much evidence there is that the mods are doing everything they can and if someone cannot recognize it they are either fools or fooling themselves. Seriously, go read through a few threads if you don't believe me. I love the TL mods for keeping TL 99% clean. Best the internet has.
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can anyone take them seriously? I mean really? Trolling on the internet, shock horror! Also since when does the actions of a few users reflect an entire forum? Ridiculous.
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I guess they didnt read the line at the bottom of the site "The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff."
But its the internet where everyone is serious, its pretty lame of them to tarnish the sites rep. This actually can affect TL from a sponsorship view and future tournaments.
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LOL mOnion. "Alright...so, I have this mp3, of someone saying "lady make me a sandwhich, but I can't find it cause its buried within my porn and stuff."
Ahahahaha. Both articles are so hilarious, why do they even bother with teamliquid, which isn't exactly "an important area for gender equality." Everyone who goes here knows that that one blog was just "joking" around due to the fact so few woman play starcraft.
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somebody should link that organization to 4chan. they should find enough there to keep em busy for years. could also result in some funnies.
but yeah, thats really really stupid. they should do something better with their time like helping women that really were raped/abused whatever. how much i hate those pseudo groups that just do random shit to hi5 eachother instead of doing anything that might be helpful to others.
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Why pick TL out of all the game-related sites, twice? Seems kind of fishy.
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On October 03 2010 23:11 Ghin wrote: Why pick TL out of all the game-related sites, twice? Seems kind of fishy.
They got banned from here for saying offensive things and dealing threads into Tarran OP threads. Bliz forums didn't ban them. Better target == TL
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On October 03 2010 23:13 rackdude wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 23:11 Ghin wrote: Why pick TL out of all the game-related sites, twice? Seems kind of fishy. They got banned from here for saying offensive things and dealing threads into Tarran OP threads. Bliz forums didn't ban them. Better target == TL Not that I doubt the veracity of your claims, but do you have links to the forums where that happened? This shit is funny.
TeamLiquid oppressing women, get real.
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I always find it to be little sad that a whole site gets blamed because of few "show us ur boobs or gtfo" people.
BUT
I'm not really familiar with the hathor site but reading their some stuff they seem little off and quite frankly just feels like a anti-men club but maybe that's just me.
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It is rather sad seeing this stuff but it's hard to stop people who read what they want to read, and once they are done with this blame hundreds of thousands of people for the 10 replies they didn't like.
Best thing is just not to pay any attention and move on.
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All we want to do is play starcraft. why do they continue to bother us? not the site, but women in general..
(shame that I should have to put this, but its sarcastic irony)
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I can't believe this is still going on. I think it's best to just let it go. And I will start by not writing my rant about how hypocritical they are.
Maybe this whole thing will just die in a fire.
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United States22883 Posts
She's blended our 120,000 members into a single misogynist bastard. It's honestly best to just move on and not fuel the fire.
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Do not judge us for 10-20 assholes. That's what I call bad reporting.
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ITT: Someone says something idiotic and ignorant on the internet. Everyone acts shocked.
C'mon guys, free speech on the internet means even the most stupid, vengeful dick can say whatever he wants, why pay any attention to him?
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Somehow this article made me smile.
Teamliquid is like the dark, you dont understand it undtil you've grow accustomed to it. Anyone have a link to the blog? I'd love to oggle through it
The best is that they accuse mOnion who is absolutely hillarious.
I'd hate to see him go away.
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Oh the misandry and self-righteousness of certain feminists.
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That site has to be made by a troll though... right?
I mean seriously, she claims her site and TL are equal in traffic. I took a look at the forum and it has like 100 posts alltogether, Most users online ever: being 45, which i am sure is right after it was linked on teamliquid because 44 of us went there so that makes 44+owner of site.
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This is modern society
On October 03 2010 23:35 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: It is rather sad seeing this stuff but it's hard to stop people who read what they want to read, and once they are done with this blame hundreds of thousands of people for the 10 replies they didn't like.
Happens everyday, and it's gotten to the point of going after a website. I pray they avoid 4chan like the plague.
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Oh man we should totally start a boy band called the "TL Boyz."
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lol if you read her response to mani's comment it just shows she's an unreasonably short sighted, single-perspective type of person. "no matter what you say or present I'm always right"
imo stop giving this lady so much attention, she'll leave us alone and find another group people to annoy on the internet
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IMO she would become great friends with zia
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On October 04 2010 00:17 StorrZerg wrote: IMO she would become great friends with zia ROFL
On another note, last thing I'll post that I found interesting.
Oh, also, since the bullshit seems to know no bounds with these losers: their site does not get significantly more traffic than Hathor. They’re about the same. Check Quantcast, an independent third party that doesn’t give a shit about either site: http://www.quantcast.com/thehathorlegacy.comhttp://www.quantcast.com/teamliquid.netI don’t even know where the remark about their site having considerably more traffic came from. Wishful thinking?
It's about the same
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It's about the same
I lol'd
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Man feminism never seases to amaze me, i wonder if they would say what they say if they actually thought about it for even a second. This is almost as bad as the person who claimed all sc players were sexist as zerg represented women and are being oppressed. Only way to deal with these people is ignore
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Zurich15205 Posts
Well even those quantcast numbers she quotes, which are way off, rank TL about 10x higher than her site. It's probably closer to 100x.
I'd actually close this, really no need to give her that much exposure. Oh well on the other hand I guess it's too late with the RPS article.
Still don't understand how she fabricated that mOnion story though. Too bad RPS writes about that as well.
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It's entertaining how polemical a reading feminists have of things. Everything is some existential crisis.
edit: So I know this is probably bad as it gives them a higher hit count, but reading those articles and comments was fairly entertaining. There's so much intellectual masturbation going on in those threads. It's literally the same 4-5 people spouting off the same opinions.
(Also note the words hit and masturbate, because feminists can't talk about anything without sexualizing it.)
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Let them have their little utopia of pre-moderated opinions where everyone agrees with each other. If they don't want to learn through interaction with people with different views let them stay in their intellectual stone age.
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I haven't seen the thread she mentions, but from the quotes it seems like basic internet trolling. It's not a case of tl being sexist but rather internet forums in general are sexist. Considering I think tl has a smaller percentage of these morons, I dont know why she decided to pick on this forum in general.
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I laughed so hard when I read those links and some of the comments just topped it off.
9/10 you did well Jennifer.
Oh and I remember the thread she talked about, while it wasn't nearly as bad as she makes it out to be, it certainly wasn't the best
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Lol... The people that are confirmed female on this site have never been mistreated. Besides, IcedEarth.
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How long until they find out about Zia?
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That reminds me of some (fake) church website where SC2 was described as the arrival of the Anti-Christ. But that was comedy.
I can't believe these articles. That's just...no. Just no.
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United States22883 Posts
On October 04 2010 00:38 Scaramanga wrote: Man feminism never seases to amaze me, i wonder if they would say what they say if they actually thought about it for even a second. This is almost as bad as the person who claimed all sc players were sexist as zerg represented women and are being oppressed. Only way to deal with these people is ignore Neither are feminism. >.> They're tiny angry sects of feminism, which actually makes a lot of sense.
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I'm a bit disappointed to find that the thread that started this all has been removed from public viewing. I guess it makes sense to an extent, so that the issue will hopefully die. On the other hand though, I could see how it could be misinterpreted to say that TL is trying to hide the mess under the rug. I only vaguely remember the thread in question, so I couldn't say how bad it was, but if it had been closed with bans handed out, that might have been the better option.
Still, this is the internet. Yes, I'm sure TL as a whole has its fair share of racists, sexists, trolls, etc. The mods generally do a tremendous job, however, with very little tolerance for truly incendiary comments. That's not to say that a topic that insults one group or another can't live for some time, but it's usually dealt with fairly swiftly or not really as serious as some people make it out to be (once again, don't remember the thread and I know I didn't read past the first few replies, so I couldn't say how bad it was in this case.)
As for the numbers, the comment made me laugh. I thought the quantcast was based on daily views. Though I know TL sees higher traffic than that, it's still fairly funny that they want to call them similar. Their numbers are confirmed, while TL's are estimated. Even so, the estimated numbers are usually about 10x higher than the confirmed numbers. Their max (for a day, I think) is 22.6k, while TL's estimated max is 250k (once again, for a day.)
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she feed the trolls nom nom
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On October 04 2010 00:38 Scaramanga wrote: Man feminism never seases to amaze me, i wonder if they would say what they say if they actually thought about it for even a second. This is almost as bad as the person who claimed all sc players were sexist as zerg represented women and are being oppressed. Only way to deal with these people is ignore Haha oh yeah this classic http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93467
Had forgotten about that thanks.
"A Nydus Canal is a large, vaginal opening, that if a Zerg unit enters, it may emerge at the other end, in a manner that "greatly puzzles most Terran scientists."
"Zerg = female, alongside Zerg = unknowable, evil beast yields a culture who regard female = unknowable, evil beast. This is obviously a problem. Women are human, men are human."
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This just shows that TL is getting popular in the web at the same time getting haters in the club as well
You are all sexist
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Hmmmm. I don't see anything wrong with them using TL as an example of this behavior to write a piece about it. That's one facet of journalism, whether you like it or not. The fact that the blog is no longer viewable though... did an admin seriously remove it because of this? That's pretty tantrumy.
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Some of my favorite quotes from here
From the first article
Perhaps the most ironic comment in the thread is: “Good luck with your female only team. Negative connatations from someone wishing someone good luck? lol ok.
Then an administrator comes in and says: “Most girls on this site that are interested in competitive SC play with guys. DrH nailed it and i really dont see this going any where.”
Anybody getting any meta-messages here? The response, including that from the administrator, is basically, “Sure, bitch, do what you want, but show us your tits and comply with all future sexual demands from all of us, and once you’ve done those chores you can do your little female only thing to your heart’s content in whatever spare time you have left, only we’ll be cyber-harassing all the other bitches, too, so they’ll probably be too busy to join your little club of whores.” Wait what? Does this even make sense to anyone?
This little gem is from her second article:
The possibility that a poster claiming to be a man might be a woman doesn’t even rate a glance, as evidenced by the number of women at both TeamLiquid and my original story claiming to use exactly that strategy to avoid being harassed endlessly.
Yet when i scrolled through both comments for both articles the ammount of people i see talking about posing as a man on teamliquid and posing as a man on other sites is a grand total of zero.
This elaborate (though not very convincing) little ruse from the boyz at TeamLiquid raises an interesting irony: while they’re busy worrying that every poster claiming to be a straightforward woman/girl who games might not be what she seems, these guys are proving themselves liars and deceivers.
Oh the irony, we are the liars right? Ahaha
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lol
What the hell is "the Hathor legacy"?
And why the hell do we care about them?
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A movie called libertarias comes to my mind
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
haters gonna hate
o/
Not that it really matters lol, but here is a traffic comparison from alexa.com
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God, reading this bullshit makes me wanna troll that website so hard.
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It's especially funny as the TL forums are some of the best moderated and more mature forums that I've had the privilege of reading. There's always a few people messing around and the blatant generalization going on in both the articles is astonishing. I then find it even more strange that a general games website like RPS would pick it up as a news item- but I've seen (radical) feminist tendencies from their staff before.
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On December 15 2009 13:06 Xx5k4t3rG0H4NxX wrote: wow
u sound like a fukin ungrateful douchebag. be a man n suck it up cuz life aint gonna get better if u think like dat
u gotta skate this.
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No one accused tl admins of being mannered and professional at all times, but it is a volunteer job and it definitely makes it more interesting when they act like real human beings with real opinions. This is pretty much grade-A trolling to get some hits from the SC community I guess...
@kenniget a site that writes news about another sites admins making a comment can't have more than 5% of their viewers, so this is to be expected.
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On October 04 2010 01:26 Kennigit wrote:haters gonna hate o/ Not that it really matters lol, but here is a traffic comparison from alexa.com
They're just mirin' our gains.
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I posted a couple comments on their 2nd post. Did my best to obey their guidelines. I mostly posted it to see if they will actually publish my comments or not.
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This isn't feminism. This is sensationalism. lol.
Selecting seven biased anecdotes from public internet forums to make personal attacks against a group comprised of over a million readers and 200,000 members.
What a joke.
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Can the initial blog still be accessed? The link didn't work.
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yeah those feminists sure are annoying trolls who have nothing important to say, and we sure are all very considerate and socially well adjusted. we even have a much bigger penis on the penis graph so we must be right.
that said there is nothing but trolling in this thread so I feel bad about posting
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9931 Posts
embarrassing, and it's a legitimate issue that we will be more aware of. still, this kesler lady is wayyyy over the top with her persecution complex and grand self-righteous twisting. how can you respect a writer that deletes any posts that disagree with her?
hathorlegacy is a disaster in representing feminism. i sympathize very strongly with her cause, but her methods are cringe-worthy.
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On October 04 2010 02:02 -fj. wrote:yeah those feminists sure are annoying trolls who have nothing important to say, and we sure are all very considerate and socially well adjusted. we even have a much bigger penis on the penis graph so we must be right. that said there is nothing but trolling in this thread so I feel bad about posting
You really honestly think that generalizing an entire forum by the posts of one member is 'something important to say?' Also perhaps you were not aware that the amount of hits was an argument of the side you are defending here. People in this thread are simply discussing its factual accuracy.
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Very bad reporting. I'm not a sexist but I assume the reporter is a feminist.
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It's amusing that all the replies in this thread are just "what bs lol stupid feminist garbage". While of course the article is exaggerated (most feminist material through history has been this way, for good reason), some of her points are completely valid. I think it's pretty sad that the first thing most people post when a girl introduces herself is "pics", for example. I don't know why that isn't as frowned upon as "first" or "l2p" around here
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You know whats funny? From the website stats she quoted TL is more gender neutral then her site, as well as having higher median and average income and racial distribution.
Another funny thing to note is that Quantum only measures U.S. statistics. This of course, is largely biased because TL.net prides itself on being an international community.
It's amusing that all the replies in this thread are just "what bs lol stupid feminist garbage". While of course the article is exaggerated (most feminist material through history has been this way, for good reason), some of her points are completely valid. I think it's pretty sad that the first thing most people post when a girl introduces herself is "pics", for example. I don't know why that isn't as frowned upon as "first" or "l2p" around here
You cannot generalize an entire forum by an individual poster. For every single comment that can be construed as sexist, you had ten that advocated a more neutral point of view.
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On October 04 2010 02:07 NevilleS wrote: It's amusing that all the replies in this thread are just "what bs lol stupid feminist garbage". While of course the article is exaggerated (most feminist material through history has been this way, for good reason), some of her points are completely valid. I think it's pretty sad that the first thing most people post when a girl introduces herself is "pics", for example. I don't know why that isn't as frowned upon as "first" or "l2p" around here
Except maybe it is, why would you comment on it though? To clutter the forum even further with uninteresting garbage? If the mods want to they'll deal with the comment, it's not up to the common user to grab a pitchfork and act up.
Plus, what ignited all this was a blog post, which most people don't even bother reading I'd assume -- I know I don't.
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United States5162 Posts
LOL, not that it matters much because their conversation ended days ago, but I attempted to post something there questioning how you can say a site with 10x as many daily hits(according to their own posted stats) can't be considered 'many times larger'. After awaiting moderation for half an hour its now gone completely.
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On October 04 2010 02:07 NevilleS wrote: It's amusing that all the replies in this thread are just "what bs lol stupid feminist garbage". While of course the article is exaggerated (most feminist material through history has been this way, for good reason), some of her points are completely valid. I think it's pretty sad that the first thing most people post when a girl introduces herself is "pics", for example. I don't know why that isn't as frowned upon as "first" or "l2p" around here Whatever validity she had in my eyes was destroyed when I saw her response to Manifesto7's post in the second thread: http://thehathorlegacy.com/teamliquid-boyz-attention-whores/#comment-98345
It's one thing for the two parties involved to hold respectable debate, but all I can see from her response is an uninformed distaste for this site's representative. She completely disregards Mani's notions and immediately takes offense at imagined slights.
The article itself is written without understanding the whole issue. That's a shame, but it's not exactly uncommon for that sort of thing to occur, especially on the Internet, where sarcasm and body language are all but invisible. For the author to wage this crusade against us with these unfounded misconceptions, condemning anyone who would dare to propose an idea that she doesn't agree with...
That's why I think she's kind of a bitch. Odds are, Ms. Kesler is a very pleasant and agreeable person in real life, but her blog-ego is just absurd.
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Yeah, its amazing that a few people troll a blog post then the whole community gets called sexual harassers.
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On October 04 2010 02:06 Forak wrote: You really honestly think that generalizing an entire forum by the posts of one member is 'something important to say?' Also perhaps you were not aware that the amount of hits was an argument of the side you are defending here. People in this thread are simply discussing its factual accuracy.
I've seen threads started by girls get derailed and get gross fast aside from the one mentioned, I mean, I don't need to believe everything she says to know there is a problem. I think that outside of staff, there is a lot of imageboard-esque culture on tl, especially when girls of any kind are involved, enough that it dominates threads once it gets started and before mods step in and start swinging.
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On October 04 2010 02:15 -fj. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 02:06 Forak wrote: You really honestly think that generalizing an entire forum by the posts of one member is 'something important to say?' Also perhaps you were not aware that the amount of hits was an argument of the side you are defending here. People in this thread are simply discussing its factual accuracy. I've seen threads started by girls get derailed and get gross fast aside from the one mentioned, I mean, I don't need to believe everything she says to know there is a problem. I think that outside of staff, there is a lot of imageboard-esque culture on tl, especially when girls of any kind are involved, enough that it dominates threads once it gets started and before mods step in and start swinging.
The biggest derailer in that thread was a female who claimed that organizations like this misrepresented women and were sexist. (Somewhere around page 2) I'm not trying to attack her position, its a valid position, but the childishness you're talking about really just limited to some initial comments in page 1.
By the time her blog was posted, the past ~5 pages of that site were basically productive without derailment. Until she decided to bastardize the thread and TL to get some page hits and boost her ego.
Really, this entire thing can be compared to the tactics of sensationalist media companies like Fox News, employing methods of selectively permitting opinions to encourage groupthink, exaggerating anecdotes to misrepresent organizations, ad-hominem argumentative tactics.
I really see no reason to seriously consider basically anything she said. They would be equally as valid if Glenn Beck decided to attack teamliquid promoting xenophilia or something. Though of course, "Pics plz" was probably not the most tact of posts and should be discouraged in the future.
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How often do you see the average user call misogyny out when it happens? It's true that they are generalizing some posters to the entire site, but it is also clear that most people on the site are rather permissive towards that sort of thing. Step it up, TL.
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I don't know if most people want to play moderators. It would also be derailing a thread in many cases, which is frowned upon. I also have a problem with the use of misogyny in these cases.. disrespectful, yes. untactful, yes. hatred? not by a long shot.
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I can't actually read the thread shes talking about, and I never did, but that's beside the point. I don't doubt that the dumb comments were just a few at first. (btw mods why is it hidden? doesn't exactly make tl look good. deal with it, don't hide it)
But I remember an introduction blog by a girl that spiraled into a really sticky and uncomfortable discussion about girls on the internet. It wasn't all "tits or gtfo" comments, it was "are you actually a girl?" "Why are you posting this? you must be an attentionwhore!". The jist of her post was "hi tl ^^", but it got blown into "hi tl I am a GIRL GIRL GIRL GIRL", partially because of culture clash and misunderstanding and partially because we couldn't just understand and let it go and post "hi ^^" back.
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On October 04 2010 02:11 Half wrote:You know whats funny? From the website stats she quoted TL is more gender neutral then her site, as well as having higher median and average income and racial distribution. Another funny thing to note is that Quantum only measures U.S. statistics. This of course, is largely biased because TL.net prides itself on being an international community. Show nested quote +It's amusing that all the replies in this thread are just "what bs lol stupid feminist garbage". While of course the article is exaggerated (most feminist material through history has been this way, for good reason), some of her points are completely valid. I think it's pretty sad that the first thing most people post when a girl introduces herself is "pics", for example. I don't know why that isn't as frowned upon as "first" or "l2p" around here You cannot generalize an entire forum by an individual poster. For every single comment that can be construed as sexist, you had ten that advocated a more neutral point of view.
Agreed. With a larger population of people there are bound to be more asses around willing to post garbage, and the mods do a good job of cleaning it up. However, I fail to see where she accused the entire forum as being sexist, just that she claimed that the forum had a significant enough presence of sexism that would make a girl feel uncomfortable (paraphrased). I think that is probably true, and is the nature of having a large site with a lot of young male gamers. There is plenty of material for sites like hers to go through and pick out the nasty bits.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
>paint entire group of gamers based on the actions of a few. Sounds vaguely famili...OH FFF
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We should just stop giving traffic to the site and ignore them. They're not going to go "you know what, you guys are right, we were wrong the entire time" because they're too blinded by their bias.
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On October 04 2010 02:32 NevilleS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 02:11 Half wrote:You know whats funny? From the website stats she quoted TL is more gender neutral then her site, as well as having higher median and average income and racial distribution. Another funny thing to note is that Quantum only measures U.S. statistics. This of course, is largely biased because TL.net prides itself on being an international community. It's amusing that all the replies in this thread are just "what bs lol stupid feminist garbage". While of course the article is exaggerated (most feminist material through history has been this way, for good reason), some of her points are completely valid. I think it's pretty sad that the first thing most people post when a girl introduces herself is "pics", for example. I don't know why that isn't as frowned upon as "first" or "l2p" around here You cannot generalize an entire forum by an individual poster. For every single comment that can be construed as sexist, you had ten that advocated a more neutral point of view. However, I fail to see where she accused the entire forum as being sexist, just that she claimed that the forum had a significant enough presence of sexism that would make a girl feel uncomfortable
Are you kidding me? Are we reading the same article?
Just look at that title.
TeamLiquid boyz and “attention whores”
Does that sound like calling out the actions of a select few in the community? Or does that sound like generalizing 200,000 people based on the actions of ten anecdotes, out of a thread containing 500 posts, the vast majority of which lacked sexual bias, for some personal egotistical agenda.
Personally, I think TL.net should write a public piece. Both to defend ourselves from the sensationalist crap shes spewing, and to discourage posters from posting stuff like "pics plz". Though such sexual bias represented less then 1% of the posts on the thread.
And get Jibba to do it, her sensationalist uniformed garbage with zero academic merit is frankly disgraceful. She should probably stop commenting on feminism and social myoginism, despite her profound academic knowledge in those fields. You know, acquired through a rigorous course in web design!
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Ignore them, totally, but don't ignore misogyny.
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Too bad we can't send other sites to Disneyland. I'm sure there are plenty of princesses, mice, and ducks there who'd love to accommodate Ms. Kesler and crew.
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hahahha i laughed my ass off when i read that she posted a picture of her cat and the response " LOOK she posted a pic of her pussy" priceless <3 internet how i love thy
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I made 2 replies on her site, both of them were deleted. I absolutely did not break her guidelines.
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I read that site for a bit when that thread was made. That's one angry (and crazy) broad!
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On October 04 2010 02:41 travis wrote: I made 2 replies on her site, both of them were deleted. I absolutely did not break her guidelines.
You should post them here :p.
On October 04 2010 02:43 Hawk wrote: I read that site for a bit when that thread was made. That's one angry (and crazy) broad!
Its an angry crazy board because she moderates it to prevent any sort of criticism, thus encouraging groupthink. You see posters posting stuff like this
And of course, we know how this story will be remembered.
Woman files legitimate complaint on their own website of misogyny, and the enabling thereof.
Men lie, and attempt to humiliate individual women with their lies.
Woman points this out.
Women Be Bitches.
Jennifer, you’ve clearly been active and aware of the wide reaching-ness of this BS. How do you not explode?
Despite being factually wrong on every account.
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On October 04 2010 02:41 travis wrote: I made 2 replies on her site, both of them were deleted. I absolutely did not break her guidelines. She hasn't published a single comment that doesn't support her viewpoints. I think we should just ignore this since they're obviously not willing to discuss which makes them akin to your avarage 14 year old troll. It's funny how she just kinda states that if she ever tried posting here she'd be flamed into oblivion as a fact.
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United States22883 Posts
On October 04 2010 02:07 NevilleS wrote: It's amusing that all the replies in this thread are just "what bs lol stupid feminist garbage". While of course the article is exaggerated (most feminist material through history has been this way, for good reason), some of her points are completely valid. I think it's pretty sad that the first thing most people post when a girl introduces herself is "pics", for example. I don't know why that isn't as frowned upon as "first" or "l2p" around here It is. We're not ignoring the issue and it will not happen again. Whether she had accepted our attempts at open dialogue or not, we had already addressed the issue internally and will be working to stop that type of alienation in the future. What's going on now is simply her increasing traffic for her site.
As misguided as the first article is, the second is simply absurd. The RPS article talks about our "tactics" but there are none. We tried to communicate with her and she refused, and then posted snippets of the private conversation. Anything mOnion or any other idiot from TL does has nothing to do with us, and is as uncontrollable as it is unfortunate.
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On October 04 2010 02:46 hifriend wrote: It's funny how she just kinda states that if she ever tried posting here she'd be flamed into oblivion as a fact.
Well, at the rate she's going presently, I wouldn't be surprised if she was trolled if she posted here. I mean, she's borderline flaming motherfucking Manlyfesto, so counterflames would be more than justified.
Not saying we should flame her, only that it's understandable if we did.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Ok, no more free traffic.
I'd love to take this broad out to dinner to discuss this topic in more detail
+ Show Spoiler +unless shes fat huehuehuehuehue
where u live hunny?
Love Teamliquid Gamer Boyzzz
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MURICA15980 Posts
I actually consider myself quite a big feminist, but people like that without any common sense cause my mind to explode.
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Osaka26925 Posts
Although this was closed, I should mention that she deleted 90% of what I wrote, and simply published a cherry picking of my comments. Please do not think that is the entirety of what I wrote on the site.
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